Theory Vs Predictors 3

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Theory Experts Vs Predictors 3

 

The Need of the Hour is Test It Out

 

 

 

Dear Prafulla Bhai,

 

 

 

1) The Navagraha 9 Blind Chart Test/Challenge that I posed is for

those who do not practice Divisional Charts as I said earlier. Since the

chart that I posed was of 2 people born on different days and in

different cities having the same D1 chart.

 

2) Today I have found that Everyone is a Guru & a Teacher on the

Lists but nobody wants to predict. I have found this over the years

since I have spent huge amount of money and time going and meeting most

of the list members who claim to be Teachers & Gurus and teach on the

list at every instant in the guise of sharing knowledge and just

discussing astrology. The effect they have on naiveté's is we spend

money & most important our emotions in seeking their readings (often

they are so difficult to oblige for a reading) and then it takes 2-3 yrs

to realize they are useless predictors which most of them are.

 

3) Now why should we test them, since how do we know that what they

are teaching is `The Astrology that Works'. If we do not test

them we are incurring karma of allowing them to be Theorists and Gurus

and also spoiling their own lives and also of the people who consult

them. Would that karma not come on us. Do we know which planet will

impart that karma on us (ref Bhrigu Samhita) internet astrologers do not

know the answer to this.

 

4) The very basis of this group is KNRaos teachings, he comes up

with a theory, he tests it like he did it on Chara Dasa and he tested it

quietly for 25 yrs before he decided to Reveal it. He revealed it only

when he was convinced that it worked and as he says blind charts is the

method that is followed in the worlds biggest school of astrology. Why

did Rao Saheb follow this methodology of teaching is the question to be

asked. To even question blind chart Tests is to ridicule his methodology

the same way I ridiculed my mentors approach on my techiniques to be

tested.

 

5) See the point I am trying to make here is `Present Case

Studies' & then `Test it Extensively on Blind Charts'. My

mentors ridiculed me even though I had presented 20 cases for each of my

techniques and all of them worked I felt but only when I went for blind

charts I realized what he meant & then I realized what he meant test it

for 10 yrs till u speak to me or to the world about it. He has seen

10,000 theories in his life and seen how many works out of it.

 

6) 1 yr back I had initiated debate on Mahapurusha Yoga Bhangas.

New Theories came and new meanings of Sanskrit Shlokas came which were

opposite to those expressed by Giants like Late Subramanium Shastry,

Suresh Chandra Mishra, K.S.Charak & C.S.Patel. That's fine nobody is

God here. So then I posted 14 charts and asked those present here to

predict if YogaBhanga had happened or if Mahapurusha Yoga exists, NONE

COULD TAKE THAT CHALLENGE although at that time I posted it as a query

and to test OUR own interpretation n not as a challenge. These are the

same people who will easily come up with a new Sanskrit meaning and at

the same time `ask us to stick to what the Sages said' –

double Dichotomy I think the word to be used here.

 

 

I admire n bow to Bharat for putting his views on the list on the chart

posted, though there are 8 more to go for the Navagraha 9 chart but I

say he was not needed to do so, since

 

 

a) I presume he did not post a theory that divisonals are NOT to be

used.

 

b) He uses Iyers Methods which many in jyotish world still have not

accepted as part of Vedic Astrology (this is not my view Bharat)

 

best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

sunil john

 

Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunil John

 

Please read my reply underneath your notes:

 

 

>

>

> Theory Experts Vs Predictors 3

>

> The Need of the Hour is Test It Out

>

>

>

> Dear Prafulla Bhai,

>

>

>

> 1) The Navagraha 9 Blind Chart Test/Challenge that I posed is for

> those who do not practice Divisional Charts as I said earlier. Since the

> chart that I posed was of 2 people born on different days and in

> different cities having the same D1 chart.

 

 

[Prafulla] Well, for my mind - without divisional charts - they can not be read.

But let us wait, as Shri Pradeep has posted in another thread that - he will

attempt the charts with his model. So may be we get to learn !!

 

>

> 2) Today I have found that Everyone is a Guru & a Teacher on the

> Lists but nobody wants to predict. I have found this over the years

> since I have spent huge amount of money and time going and meeting most

> of the list members who claim to be Teachers & Gurus and teach on the

> list at every instant in the guise of sharing knowledge and just

> discussing astrology. The effect they have on naiveté's is we spend

> money & most important our emotions in seeking their readings (often

> they are so difficult to oblige for a reading) and then it takes 2-3 yrs

> to realize they are useless predictors which most of them are.

>

 

[Prafulla] You have raised a very valid point prevailing in internet jyotish.

Quick theories, demonstrated knowledge, shlokas, multiple references to justify

/ exhibit knowledge base, quick fix remedies, prescription like remedial

practices, politics, camping and so on...But who is responsible? Only those -

who are engaged in such practice, or the people who are carried away by " vedic "

connections / Published media etc; OR the polluted environment - pacing all

towards a quick fire " Dhoni like inning " .

 

I am sorry to know your experience. Atleast 10 years back - jyotish forum were

decent place to discuss and learn. I wonder - how can we take any astrologer's

ability at face value - without experiencing his predicitve abilities? Jyotish

students need not get fascinated by any astrologer - who is just describing

shloka / references, until the astrologer is seen predicting. This is absolute

mal practice and jyotish students are equally responsible for falling into

marketing trap.

 

> 3) Now why should we test them, since how do we know that what they

> are teaching is `The Astrology that Works'. If we do not test

> them we are incurring karma of allowing them to be Theorists and Gurus

> and also spoiling their own lives and also of the people who consult

> them. Would that karma not come on us. Do we know which planet will

> impart that karma on us (ref Bhrigu Samhita) internet astrologers do not

> know the answer to this.

>

 

 

[Prafulla] As a student, I restricted my karma to learn and observe. May be at

some stage - when my interpretation model is consistent enough for predictions -

I will venture into that. But essentially, at jyotishi community forums - we,

may be inclining ourselves to quick fix jyotish and perhaps - these type of

illusioned and half cooked practices - are spoiling us further. At some stage, I

am certainly not bothered about the destinies of Gurus / Theorists; but

certainly - am bothered about my own karmic Phal for wrong predictions due to

incomplete knowledge.

 

> 4) The very basis of this group is KNRaos teachings, he comes up

> with a theory, he tests it like he did it on Chara Dasa and he tested it

> quietly for 25 yrs before he decided to Reveal it. He revealed it only

> when he was convinced that it worked and as he says blind charts is the

> method that is followed in the worlds biggest school of astrology. Why

> did Rao Saheb follow this methodology of teaching is the question to be

> asked. To even question blind chart Tests is to ridicule his methodology

> the same way I ridiculed my mentors approach on my techiniques to be

> tested.

>

 

[Prafulla] Most new dictums are presented through these practical tests and

observation. We must learn from such practices, as to not to jump with

interpretation on native's charts through untested techniques.

 

> 5) See the point I am trying to make here is `Present Case

> Studies' & then `Test it Extensively on Blind Charts'. My

> mentors ridiculed me even though I had presented 20 cases for each of my

> techniques and all of them worked I felt but only when I went for blind

> charts I realized what he meant & then I realized what he meant test it

> for 10 yrs till u speak to me or to the world about it. He has seen

> 10,000 theories in his life and seen how many works out of it.

>

 

[Prafulla] I take the opportunity to salute your mentor for such a wise

suggestion. But how many of us are that lucky to be guided well. Most internet

knowledge base and visible participants are the people - we look at, for

guidance. and If some of them are busy presenting marketing package - then we

student suffer. But may be it is destiny !!

 

> 6) 1 yr back I had initiated debate on Mahapurusha Yoga Bhangas.

> New Theories came and new meanings of Sanskrit Shlokas came which were

> opposite to those expressed by Giants like Late Subramanium Shastry,

> Suresh Chandra Mishra, K.S.Charak & C.S.Patel. That's fine nobody is

> God here. So then I posted 14 charts and asked those present here to

> predict if YogaBhanga had happened or if Mahapurusha Yoga exists, NONE

> COULD TAKE THAT CHALLENGE although at that time I posted it as a query

> and to test OUR own interpretation n not as a challenge. These are the

> same people who will easily come up with a new Sanskrit meaning and at

> the same time `ask us to stick to what the Sages said' –

> double Dichotomy I think the word to be used here.

>

>

 

 

[Prafulla] My professional preoccupations keep me away from the forums, so

perhaps I missed the thread. I am sure learned people like Shri Chandrasekhar

ji, Shri Pradeep ji, Shri Bharat ji, Shri Bhaskar ji, Shri Satya ji, Shri Atman

Gnan ji, Shri Krishna ji etc can clarify you on the yoga. and if not - then It

is really unfotunate to know, if people claiming understanding jyotish - are not

venturing to explain the tricky things. perhaps their objectivity and focus for

the forum is different than of discussing confusion of the sincere students.

 

> I admire n bow to Bharat for putting his views on the list on the chart

> posted, though there are 8 more to go for the Navagraha 9 chart but I

> say he was not needed to do so, since

>

>

> a) I presume he did not post a theory that divisonals are NOT to be

> used.

>

> b) He uses Iyers Methods which many in jyotish world still have not

> accepted as part of Vedic Astrology (this is not my view Bharat)

>

 

[Prafulla] Shri Bharat is great astrologer and explorer. I, indeed enjoy his

writings. Since I have not read Shri Iyer's methods - I am not competent to

comment on its vedic foundation.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

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