Why Navamsa Chart - Shri Finn Wandahl

July 9, 2007

Dear Bharat ji

Shri Finn Wandahl is a learned astrologer.He has knowledge about

nadi astrology and also has understood the karakamsha rashi usage of

Raoji.

If you remember,Shri Wandahl was the person who gave me

encouragement ,for my views on Lagna shadvargake shloka and

divisionals.

I still take it as a honour for his support.

Regds

Pradeep , " sushmita34 "

<sushmita34 wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> Such a sweet mail from you.

>

> The old days here was fun, crystal clear knowledge flowed, now all

of

> them have left this list.

>

> I will write to you on your personal id pls re-write that after

..

> only dots are appearing and not or gmail.com. I do not

sending

> personal mails from the web lists as sometimes I have made mistake

and

> it goes on lists.

>

> I am sorry for the delay have been busy with office work.

>

> One question in case of twins do you use only Rashi chart for both

the

> twins.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sushmita

>

> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Sri Sushmita

> > Thank you for your kind words.

> >

> > You can send the charts to either of my email ids:

astrologyhindu@

> > hinduastrology@ Let me warn you that I am not a great astrologer

> > or a highly learned one. And I usually stick to the Rashi

chart.

> >

> > I joined this group to learn from great masters. Almost all of

them

> have

> > left this group. I sorely miss the writings of Sri K. N. Rao,

Sri Finn

> > Windhall and others like them. In fact, I love reading the

archives of

> this

> > group. Knowledge comes to the blessed. Maybe the Lord has

something

> else in

> > store for us.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> > On 7/7/07, sushmita34 sushmita34@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat,

> > > I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to

belong to a

> > > civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind.

You

> > > respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow

> them.

> > > This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

> > >

> > > You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having

gone

> out

> > > of astrology for some time.

> > >

> > > I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you

privately.

> Two

> > > charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to

> discuss

> > > it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

> > >

> > > If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you

are

> > > willing.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Sushmita

> > >

> <%40>,

> > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sri Pradeep

> > > > You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the

> finest

> > > > scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

> > > physicist, they

> > > > shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a

particular

> > > frequency

> > > > of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light

is

> totally

> > > > another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the

basis of

> > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of

> planets

> > > at

> > > > higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use

aspects, etc

> in

> > > amshas

> > > > once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the

fun

> of

> > > debates,

> > > > discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

> > > >

> > > > Hope you can respect my independent view.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > > On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bharat ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to

rely on

> > > > > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in

uncorrupted

> > > > > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give

> weightage

> > > > > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Contemporary scholars due to power of information

technology,has

> > > > > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > > > > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > > > > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the

Light of

> > > > > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> > > > >

> > > > > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is

in

> Aries

> > > > > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > > > > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically

placed

> in

> > > > > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no

> physical

> > > > > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates

back

> to

> > > > > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath

was

> able to

> > > > > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is

> demonstrated

> > > > > through examples.

> > > > >

> > > > > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual

translate

> > > > > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules

set

> by

> > > > > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is

> strong...but

> > > > > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>,

> > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a

> separate

> > > > > chart is

> > > > > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the

Rashi

> chart

> > > > > and

> > > > > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read

below:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light

waves.

> If

> > > > > we were

> > > > > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world

would

> change

> > > > > and so

> > > > > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things

to be

> seen

> > > > > and known.

> > > > > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as

separate

> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > without proper scrutiny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a

> simple

> > > > > reason that

> > > > > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting

for

> > > > > plausible

> > > > > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do

get

> > > > > dismayed at times

> > > > > > when people justify things through any divisional

charts. So

> many

> > > > > rules

> > > > > > should not be made that they are applicable to every

human

> beings

> > > > > chart and

> > > > > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great

lineage of

> > > > > Teachers, we

> > > > > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are

> hidden,

> > > > > burnt,

> > > > > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People

with

> no

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte

> dictionary.

> > > > > They

> > > > > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean

in

> 5-7

> > > > > different

> > > > > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one

has

> sound

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

kalyan

> Varma

> > > > > has given

> > > > > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> aspecting

> > > > > venus. Since

> > > > > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

> reference

> > > > > was to

> > > > > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> current

> > > > > age

> > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person

making

> > > > > comment, be

> > > > > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove

with

> the

> > > > > application

> > > > > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

firstly the

> > > wrong

> > > > > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in

correct

> > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little

> relevance in

> > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> studies -

> > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > commentaries - but

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> views

> > > > > of " less

> > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

Santhanam

> /

> > > > > Shri KN Rao

> > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I

do

> > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

on " shloka

> > > > > business " with

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> better

> > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case

studies.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > >> To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient

texts

> every

> > > > > one is

> > > > > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

there is

> every

> > > > > chance

> > > > > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results -

your

> > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > >> right.

> > > > > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

choice -

> when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your

self, and

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to

follow

> > > > > someone who

> > > > > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > >> Love,

> > > > > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

choice

> or

> > > > > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had

there

> not

> > > > > been any

> > > > > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

stalwarts

> must

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> better

> > > > > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on

the

> forum

> > > > > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest

the

> > > > > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are

the

> people

> > > -

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> sanskrit

> > > > > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may

not

> have

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > >> relevance.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include

> the

> > > > > right to

> > > > > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>> To:

> <%40>

> > > <%40><%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

chart)

> " just

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >> D1

> > > > > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

for " aspects

> of

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted

when

> planets

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught

by

> the

> > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > >> If

> > > > > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> charts -

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

like D1

> > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include

> the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > >> to

> > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>> To:

> > > <%40>

> > > <%40><jyotishgrou\

> > > p%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart

is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only

Navamsa.

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never

be,

> > > > > because it

> > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> other

> > > > > amsas due

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> strength of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per

their

> > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa.

> > > > > (There

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

can be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa,

it only

> > > > > means

> > > > > > > >> that.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

that.

> It

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> wrong

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart as

> > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

Navamsa 'chart'.

> But

> > > > > yes

> > > > > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> Because

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> predict

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>> result

> > > > > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

houses are

> not

> > > > > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

should be

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient

texts

> about

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > >> or

> > > > > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring

to

> Rasi

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> importance

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > > experience so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> understood

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

being

> so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

can be

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart as

> > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> Navamsa

> > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart

make

> up

> > > > > two equal

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of

Navamsa

> Chart.

> > > > > What I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > >> What

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is

one of

> many

> > > > > varga

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

karakamsa and

> both

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for

your

> > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

community. I

> > > > > would like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > alone

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I

found

> both

> > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

very

> > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

chart as

> > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> chart),

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

results

> if

> > > > > the Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist

if the

> Rasi

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

mentioned in

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books

that

> yogas

> > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the

Navamsa

> chart

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

chart as

> a

> > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

purpose

> of

> > > > > checking

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

aspects)

> in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

veekshana

> should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> influence

> > > > > at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30

deg.

> span.

> > > > > of Rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in

own

> house

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> chart, it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in

the

> Rasi.

> > > > > Why is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

because,

> even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

still its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa)

has

> > > > > weakened it;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector

is the

> > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> loses

> > > its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation

of

> > > > > strengths for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

navamsa. The

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

placement

> > > > > within the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

weightage to

> both

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

weak

> in

> > > > > one of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may

not

> give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give

to

> > > > > Navamsa; but

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

extent

> that

> > > > > it can

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> promise

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

yogas in

> the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

results; I

> have

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and

Sukra both

> in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

(not in

> the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> karakamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

(represented by

> > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > > karakamsa is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained.

The

> > > > > sequence of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > > karakamsa lagna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

Pradeep's

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> considered

> > > > > on the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN

Rao

> always

> > > > > says.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific

rasi in

> the

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna,

my

> Sukra

> > > > > is in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

beautiful

> > > > > house, and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

only to

> > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> necessarily in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay

or K.

> N.

> > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

Amshaka

> > > > > though it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

remembered

> that in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> understood

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> karakamsha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> results

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places

in

> > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> different

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also

well

> versed

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

contention

> of

> > > > > mine

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think

that the

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to

the

> > > > > potential

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by

the

> grahas

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm

in the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> whatever it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> says,Karakamsha

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

meaning.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

there are

> > > some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

overlooked,contradicting

> his

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > this.Sometimes the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

preceded

> by

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>

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July 9, 2007

Namaste Sri Pradeep

The question is not whether a person gave support or not. The question is

whether something is true or not. In Vedanta, I was taught to question and

question and not accept just because someone important had said it. Sri

Krishna, in Bhagavad Gita, in 2nd chapter, first verse he spoke, said that

there isn't a cause for sorrow. Did Arjuna accept the statement? He did not

but questioned till he understood something. Did Lord Krishna have an

egoistic problem with questioning? No!

The problem that can be seen in the group today is nonacceptance of an idea

which may be. There isn't a single proof that explicitly says that amshas

cannot be used separately. There is no debate on their usage in tandem with

Rashi chart. Couple that with limited knowledge of Sanskrit, limited text

availability of Jyotish, limited explanations available, we are trying to

stop a mass of people from researching and using a particular concept. If

this isn't egoistic intervention than what is?

As far as I am concerned, my respect for Sri Finn Windhall or Sri K.N. Rao

would not deter me from not following something that I feel ain't so. This

is the reason despite Sri K N Rao's many writings against usage of Gems, I

continue to write about them, use them successfully with many of clients and

now beginning to write a book on them. Despite the same, I follow his

Karakamsha technique in Rashi chart whole heartedly with excellent results.

The difference is, I do not tell people what to do and what not to. The

freedom of choice is a God gift. You and I are no one to take it from

anyone.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 7/9/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat ji

>

> Shri Finn Wandahl is a learned astrologer.He has knowledge about

> nadi astrology and also has understood the karakamsha rashi usage of

> Raoji.

> If you remember,Shri Wandahl was the person who gave me

> encouragement ,for my views on Lagna shadvargake shloka and

> divisionals.

>

> I still take it as a honour for his support.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep <%40>,

> " sushmita34 "

> <sushmita34 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> >

> > Such a sweet mail from you.

> >

> > The old days here was fun, crystal clear knowledge flowed, now all

> of

> > them have left this list.

> >

> > I will write to you on your personal id pls re-write that after

> ..

> > only dots are appearing and not or gmail.com. I do not

> sending

> > personal mails from the web lists as sometimes I have made mistake

> and

> > it goes on lists.

> >

> > I am sorry for the delay have been busy with office work.

> >

> > One question in case of twins do you use only Rashi chart for both

> the

> > twins.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sushmita

> >

> > <%40>,

> " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > <astrologyhindu@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Sushmita

> > > Thank you for your kind words.

> > >

> > > You can send the charts to either of my email ids:

> astrologyhindu@

> > > hinduastrology@ Let me warn you that I am not a great astrologer

> > > or a highly learned one. And I usually stick to the Rashi

> chart.

> > >

> > > I joined this group to learn from great masters. Almost all of

> them

> > have

> > > left this group. I sorely miss the writings of Sri K. N. Rao,

> Sri Finn

> > > Windhall and others like them. In fact, I love reading the

> archives of

> > this

> > > group. Knowledge comes to the blessed. Maybe the Lord has

> something

> > else in

> > > store for us.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 7/7/07, sushmita34 sushmita34@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > I have observed your writings on and off and you seem to

> belong to a

> > > > civilized lot and at the same time having an independent mind.

> You

> > > > respect senior members & at the same time do not blindly follow

> > them.

> > > > This is the Lakshana of a good astrologer to become.

> > > >

> > > > You may not know me, I am an old member of some forums having

> gone

> > out

> > > > of astrology for some time.

> > > >

> > > > I have few queries on some charts, can I post it to you

> privately.

> > Two

> > > > charts in the lot belong to semi celebs hence would not want to

> > discuss

> > > > it here openly as they have asked me not to do so.

> > > >

> > > > If you give me your email id I would post them to you if you

> are

> > > > willing.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sushmita

> > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Pradeep

> > > > > You are lucky to be in Switzerland. It is home to one of the

> > finest

> > > > > scientific labs in the whole world. If you go meet a renowed

> > > > physicist, they

> > > > > shall share that the physical world as it is seen at a

> particular

> > > > frequency

> > > > > of light is one thing and at a different frequency of light

> is

> > totally

> > > > > another. The phenomenon of light and its frequency is the

> basis of

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd like to keep an open mind about the physical placement of

> > planets

> > > > at

> > > > > higher frequencies of Light. Though, I will only use

> aspects, etc

> > in

> > > > amshas

> > > > > once I am clear how to use them. Till them I shall watch the

> fun

> > of

> > > > debates,

> > > > > discussions, and see when something captures my mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you can respect my independent view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/6/07, vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bharat ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Sanskrit you are absolutely right.We have to

> rely on

> > > > > > scholars who lived 1000's of years back,trained in

> uncorrupted

> > > > > > parampara,to understand Jyotish.For the same reason i give

> > weightage

> > > > > > to their views.They know what is amsha and what is Rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Contemporary scholars due to power of information

> technology,has

> > > > > > made their theories as original!!!what a pity?

> > > > > > Do you think -power of IT can cloud TRUTH?

> > > > > > From the screen of clouds like the FULL MOON ,TRUTH the

> Light of

> > > > > > Jyotish will come out and shine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The planet is in fact physically placed.When we say he is

> in

> > Aries

> > > > > > Rashi -He is physically placed in Aries Rashi.

> > > > > > When we say he is in Taurus Navamsha,yes he is physically

> placed

> > in

> > > > > > Taurus ''NAVAMSHA'' within Aries Rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But this Taurus Amsha is linked to Taurus Rashi.There is no

> > physical

> > > > > > placement there!!!Imagine how the lord of a house relates

> back

> > to

> > > > > > its House ,though placed elsewhere.Imagine why Shri Rath

> was

> > able to

> > > > > > understand that amshaka is relating back to amsha.It is

> > demonstrated

> > > > > > through examples.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Analysis are always w.r to Rashis.Can any individual

> translate

> > > > > > Lagnashadvarhgake shloka otherwise without violating rules

> set

> > by

> > > > > > sages.Late Santhanam was honest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is a tough job,.Tougher than Galielios job.Church is

> > strong...but

> > > > > > not for long.Truth alone will prevail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > <%40>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

> > > > > > astrologyhindu@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Prafulla and others

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The major contention of those not using Navamsha not as a

> > separate

> > > > > > chart is

> > > > > > > that physically the planets positions are shown by the

> Rashi

> > chart

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > cannot by any other chart. This is untrue. Kindly read

> below:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our eyes can only capture a certain frequency of light

> waves.

> > If

> > > > > > we were

> > > > > > > able to see sight on a different frequency the world

> would

> > change

> > > > > > and so

> > > > > > > would the planetary positions. There are deeper things

> to be

> > seen

> > > > > > and known.

> > > > > > > One should not reject the idea of usage of Amshas as

> separate

> > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > without proper scrutiny.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I personally, do not use amshas as separate charts for a

> > simple

> > > > > > reason that

> > > > > > > I do not know how to use them separately. I am waiting

> for

> > > > > > plausible

> > > > > > > answers. I do not stop others from using them, but, do

> get

> > > > > > dismayed at times

> > > > > > > when people justify things through any divisional

> charts. So

> > many

> > > > > > rules

> > > > > > > should not be made that they are applicable to every

> human

> > beings

> > > > > > chart and

> > > > > > > can be used to justify anything in life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unlike Upanishads, which have bhashyas and a great

> lineage of

> > > > > > Teachers, we

> > > > > > > do not have the same for Astrology. Most of the texts are

> > hidden,

> > > > > > burnt,

> > > > > > > destroyed, misrepresented, misquoted, etc. etc... People

> with

> > no

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > of Sanskrit trying to decipher verses using Sri Apte

> > dictionary.

> > > > > > They

> > > > > > > haven't the faintest idea on how Sanskrit verse can mean

> in

> > 5-7

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > ways. In such a scenario, it is difficult to rely on half

> > > > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > > > > better to have an open mind and use a principle when one

> has

> > sound

> > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > of it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 7/6/07, Prafulla Gang jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

> kalyan

> > Varma

> > > > > > has given

> > > > > > > > hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > aspecting

> > > > > > venus. Since

> > > > > > > > they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

> > reference

> > > > > > was to

> > > > > > > > Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > current

> > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jyotish@ <jyotish%40inbox.com>

> > > > > > > > > Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > > To:

> > <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > <%40><%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person

> making

> > > > > > comment, be

> > > > > > > > > construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove

> with

> > the

> > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

> firstly the

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > application of others; and secondly how to read in

> correct

> > > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > > Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > relevance in

> > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > studies -

> > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > > least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > > commentaries - but

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> > views

> > > > > > of " less

> > > > > > > > read

> > > > > > > > > scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> Santhanam

> > /

> > > > > > Shri KN Rao

> > > > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I

> do

> > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > > know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

> on " shloka

> > > > > > business " with

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > better

> > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > > commentaries - who are expalining with the case

> studies.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> sreesog@ <sreesog%40>

> > > > > > > > >> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > >> To:

> > <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > <%40><%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > >> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >> * Even if those things are not there in ancient

> texts

> > every

> > > > > > one is

> > > > > > > > >> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

> there is

> > every

> > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > >> that even such new methods might give true results -

> your

> > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > >> right.

> > > > > > > > >> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> choice -

> > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your

> self, and

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > >> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> follow

> > > > > > someone who

> > > > > > > > >> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > > >> Love,

> > > > > > > > >> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> --- In

> > > >

<%40><%40>

> > > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > > p%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> choice

> > or

> > > > > > > > >> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had

> there

> > not

> > > > > > been any

> > > > > > > > >> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> stalwarts

> > must

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > better

> > > > > > > > >> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on

> the

> > forum

> > > > > > > > >> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest

> the

> > > > > > > > >> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are

> the

> > people

> > > > -

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > >> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > >> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may

> not

> > have

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > >> relevance.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> include

> > the

> > > > > > right to

> > > > > > > > >> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>> To:

> > <%40>

> <%40>

> > > > <%40><%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> chart)

> > " just

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >> D1

> > > > > > > > >>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > > >>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> for " aspects

> > of

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > > >>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > >>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted

> when

> > planets

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught

> by

> > the

> > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > >> If

> > > > > > > > >>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> --- In

> > > >

<%40><%40>

> > > > <%40><JyotishGrou\

> > > > p%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > charts -

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > >>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

> like D1

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> include

> > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > >> to

> > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> To:

> > > >

<%40><%40>

> > > > <%40><jyotishgrou\

> > > > p%

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

> so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart

> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only

> Navamsa.

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never

> be,

> > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> > other

> > > > > > amsas due

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > strength of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per

> their

> > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > Navamsa.

> > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

> can be

> > > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa,

> it only

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > >> that.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> that.

> > It

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> wrong

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> Navamsa 'chart'.

> > But

> > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > >>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > Because

> > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > >> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > predict

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>> result

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

> houses are

> > not

> > > > > > > > >>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

> should be

> > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > >> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient

> texts

> > about

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > >> or

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring

> to

> > Rasi

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> --- In

> > > >

<%40><%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > importance

> > > > > > of the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > > > experience so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > understood

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> being

> > so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

> can be

> > > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > >> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart

> make

> > up

> > > > > > two equal

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of

> Navamsa

> > Chart.

> > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > >> What

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is

> one of

> > many

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

> karakamsa and

> > both

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for

> your

> > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

> community. I

> > > > > > would like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

> Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I

> found

> > both

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

> very

> > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

> chart as

> > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > chart),

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> results

> > if

> > > > > > the Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist

> if the

> > Rasi

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

> mentioned in

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books

> that

> > yogas

> > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the

> Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

> chart as

> > a

> > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> purpose

> > of

> > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> aspects)

> > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

> veekshana

> > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > influence

> > > > > > at the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30

> deg.

> > span.

> > > > > > of Rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in

> own

> > house

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > chart, it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in

> the

> > Rasi.

> > > > > > Why is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> because,

> > even

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

> still its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa)

> has

> > > > > > weakened it;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector

> is the

> > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > loses

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation

> of

> > > > > > strengths for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

> navamsa. The

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

> placement

> > > > > > within the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

> weightage to

> > both

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

> weak

> > in

> > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may

> not

> > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give

> to

> > > > > > Navamsa; but

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> extent

> > that

> > > > > > it can

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > promise

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

> yogas in

> > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

> results; I

> > have

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and

> Sukra both

> > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

> (not in

> > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

> (represented by

> > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > > > karakamsa is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained.

> The

> > > > > > sequence of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > > > karakamsa lagna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

> Pradeep's

> > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > considered

> > > > > > on the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN

> Rao

> > always

> > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific

> rasi in

> > the

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna,

> my

> > Sukra

> > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> beautiful

> > > > > > house, and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

> only to

> > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> --- In

> > > >

<%40><%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%

> > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay

> or K.

> > N.

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> Amshaka

> > > > > > though it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

> remembered

> > that in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > understood

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > karakamsha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > results

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places

> in

> > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > different

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also

> well

> > versed

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> contention

> > of

> > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think

> that the

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to

> the

> > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by

> the

> > grahas

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm

> in the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > whatever it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> meaning.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

> there are

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

> overlooked,contradicting

> > his

> > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > > this.Sometimes the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> preceded

> > by

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > ________

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> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news

> and

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> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Games.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://videogames./platform?

> platform=120121

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Dear Bharat,

Excellent post - I concur with all of it, and do not take anything at face

value, even from respected authorities - until and unless I am convinced of it.

Especially this part is apt -

***The difference is, I do not tell people what to do and what not to. The

freedom of choice is a God gift. You and I are no one to take it from anyone.***

Best - Sateesh.

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Bharat - Hindu Astrology

Monday, July 09, 2007 6:10 PM

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