Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Ms Anna Yes lots of struggle.The more one tries,the more one is tested.Yes success will come in the direction in which soul is supposed to move. (Rahu dasha combined with other planets like Mars).Not necessarily in material terms always.Material success may be attained,if other Rajayogas are present.Vargottama lagna and Moon are helpful when other planets influence them. In the case of shri Bhaskar ,Vargottama lagna is influenced by Mars and Rahu and hence the infleunces on lagna are exerted by Mars and Rahu. Thanks for sharing your experience. Regds Pradeep , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > Let me add one more thing I've learned so far. Mars/Rahu combination appears in charts of many famous personalities- difficult combination seems to give drive and energy and stamina to succeed. I remember Robert Koch once said that best educated /PhD/ people tend to have this contact present in their chart- so far my experience confirms. > Success indicated here comes with high price, but comes. > Regards, > Anna > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Ms Anna > > Thanks for the feed back.Yes my father has Mars ,Moon,Rahu in the > 11th -scorpio. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, Finn, all, > > > > Mars/Rahu does create VijayaYoga, but it's very difficult > combination anyway- victory-yes, eventually, but after lots of > stuggle/suffering. > > Pls. see Albert Einsten's chart: seems to be a perfect example. > > My 2ct. > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji > > can also return. > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I > hve > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately > always > > > with mostly bad results. > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th > > and 9th. > > > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget > the > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding > > how > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > nture > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves > us. > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > balanced > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would > be > > to > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > you for > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > other > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Mr.Wandahl Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope a question. Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or great results. In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common understanding of - ''all good''. Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine triggers is my understanding. Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. Hope to learn more. Respect Pradeep , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl wrote: > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in the > 1st house. > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- Karaka > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic effect? > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > Finn > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji > > can also return. > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I hve > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always > > > with mostly bad results. > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th > > and 9th. > > > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding > > how > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > nture > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us. > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be > > to > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > you for > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > other > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Finn, You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic effect? " I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with heavy price, mostly not worth it. Thank you for your valuable input. Regards, Anna Thank you for vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Mr.Wandahl Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope a question. Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or great results. In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common understanding of - ''all good''. Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine triggers is my understanding. Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. Hope to learn more. Respect Pradeep , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl wrote: > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in the > 1st house. > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- Karaka > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic effect? > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > Finn > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if Raoji > > can also return. > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time natural > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My personal > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are in > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this confirmation.I hve > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars and > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately always > > > with mostly bad results. > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation is > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as two > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling 4th > > and 9th. > > > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't forget the > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very well,regarding > > how > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > nture > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon saves us. > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a balanced > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request would be > > to > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > you for > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > other > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ _ > > > > ______________ > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable, till we approach the matter with an open mind. I aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None . So why blame Rahu or Mars ? It would certainly be a bisaed opinion, thinking that Rahu is malefic or Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members to check the Charts of those afflicted with malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter would provide the inflammation. Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ? Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ? So lets not make biased judgements, and treat all planets as alike, just keeoping their characteristics in mind. Rahu - Cuts Mars - Blood Saturn- lingering Jupiter- Inflammation Venus - Sexual diseases Sun - Blindness Mercury- Skin related. Moon - Mental. So here we have all the planets in row, Are all bad ? Dont they give good results too ? I expect the members of this esteemed Forums, not to give long essays, which mean nothing, but give predictive principles applied, in their essays and thesis or articles. regards, Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Finn, > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > effect? " > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with heavy price, mostly not worth it. > Thank you for your valuable input. > > Regards, > Anna > > Thank you for > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope > a question. > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or > great results. > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common > understanding of - ''all good''. > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine > triggers is my understanding. > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. > > Hope to learn more. > > Respect > Pradeep > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in > the > > 1st house. > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- > Karaka > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > effect? > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > > > Finn > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if > Raoji > > > can also return. > > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time > natural > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My > personal > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are > in > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this > confirmation.I hve > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > <wandahl@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars > and > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately > always > > > > with mostly bad results. > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of > interpretation is > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as > two > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling > 4th > > > and 9th. > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited > benefic > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't > forget the > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very > well,regarding > > > how > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > > nture > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon > saves us. > > > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > balanced > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request > would be > > > to > > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > > you for > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > _ > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement here. But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of planets,and influences upon them. I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they say so,that is the nature. Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is recovering well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus you see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true. For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in the 3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting the house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage and position as well in Rahu. But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every test and Lord will guard us to all stages. Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to case. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable, > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None . > > So why blame Rahu or Mars ? > > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion, > thinking that Rahu is malefic or > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members > to check the Charts of those afflicted with > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter > would provide the inflammation. > > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ? > > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ? > > So lets not make biased judgements, > and treat all planets as alike, > just keeoping their characteristics in mind. > > Rahu - Cuts > Mars - Blood > Saturn- lingering > Jupiter- Inflammation > Venus - Sexual diseases > Sun - Blindness > Mercury- Skin related. > Moon - Mental. > > So here we have all the planets in row, > Are all bad ? > Dont they give good results too ? > > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums, > not to give long essays, which mean nothing, > but give predictive principles > applied, in their essays and thesis > or articles. > > regards, > Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Finn, > > > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > effect? " > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with > heavy price, mostly not worth it. > > Thank you for your valuable input. > > > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > Thank you for > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope > > a question. > > > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or > > great results. > > > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common > > understanding of - ''all good''. > > > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine > > triggers is my understanding. > > > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. > > > > Hope to learn more. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in > > the > > > 1st house. > > > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- > > Karaka > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > effect? > > > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if > > Raoji > > > > can also return. > > > > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time > > natural > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My > > personal > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are > > in > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this > > confirmation.I hve > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > <wandahl@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars > > and > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately > > always > > > > > with mostly bad results. > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of > > interpretation is > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as > > two > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling > > 4th > > > > and 9th. > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited > > benefic > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't > > forget the > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very > > well,regarding > > > > how > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > > > nture > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon > > saves us. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > > balanced > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request > > would be > > > > to > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > > > you for > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _ > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, A very good post by Your goodself. In Your Fathers case, let us not forget that the 11th is a badhaksthana, and Rahu would be the trigger, or the driver , or the catalyst, who would represent the badhaksthana the most, by being in occupation of the 11th. The badhaksthana would normally bring badhaka to the attributes of the house, but solely meant for the health in old age, when it would be able to function the best ie.either kill the native, or bring near death experiences,if the other factors of longevity are strong. In Kp, when we talk of the Lagna or Ascendant being in the badhaksthanas sublord then it is clear case of medium longevity, for instance, or the Lagna has not much strength, we say. Now if you believe me, In Rahu Mahadasha, I have come much closer to God (Spiritual), may not be in physical by apparent person doing poojas for long hours etc. which I am not able to, due to lack of time, or pre-occupations, but I speak with him constantly, not a few hours pass, when I dont speak to him. I never go to sleep, before I speak to him. My speaking means conversations with him, which were also there in Mars Mahadasha, but more so in Rahu. So somehow I cannot digest when they say Rahu is bad. But practically saying truthfully, if I have to have a heart surgery in future, as per my onwards indications of the Horoscope,would it mean that I would still call Rahu as good after the event, and not blame it ? certainly. I would not blame it, because Rahu has the characteristics of cutting, esppecially when conjoint with Mars it calls for surgical aid. But that is what the fruits I have to eat, for the seeds I have sown, and not because of Rahu.Rahu is just the instrument as I see it. Therefore I respect all planets, and their natural malefic or beneficness is another matter.They would just bring in these characteristics while rewarding or while punishing, nothing more than that. their characteristics are just limited to that, I believe. regards, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no > planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as > compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement here. > > But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of > planets,and influences upon them. > > I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking > about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they say > so,that is the nature. > > Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th > house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my > father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the > stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is recovering > well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus you > see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar > ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true. > > For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in the > 3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting the > house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage and > position as well in Rahu. > > But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing > spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding > this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every > test and Lord will guard us to all stages. > > Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are > fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to > case. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu > > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable, > > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I > > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will > > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None . > > > > So why blame Rahu or Mars ? > > > > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion, > > thinking that Rahu is malefic or > > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give > > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone > > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members > > to check the Charts of those afflicted with > > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give > > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter > > would provide the inflammation. > > > > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ? > > > > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ? > > > > So lets not make biased judgements, > > and treat all planets as alike, > > just keeoping their characteristics in mind. > > > > Rahu - Cuts > > Mars - Blood > > Saturn- lingering > > Jupiter- Inflammation > > Venus - Sexual diseases > > Sun - Blindness > > Mercury- Skin related. > > Moon - Mental. > > > > So here we have all the planets in row, > > Are all bad ? > > Dont they give good results too ? > > > > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums, > > not to give long essays, which mean nothing, > > but give predictive principles > > applied, in their essays and thesis > > or articles. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Finn, > > > > > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by > saying > > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > > effect? " > > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. > > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, > even > > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- > > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse > malefic > > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, > even if > > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with > > heavy price, mostly not worth it. > > > Thank you for your valuable input. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anna > > > > > > Thank you for > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the > horoscope > > > a question. > > > > > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the > > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two > > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround > elevation or > > > great results. > > > > > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have > given > > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common > > > understanding of - ''all good''. > > > > > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the > inner > > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise > > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine > > > triggers is my understanding. > > > > > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific > > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. > > > > > > Hope to learn more. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > > > > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum > attention > > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two > planets in > > > the > > > > 1st house. > > > > > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much > importance to > > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- > > > Karaka > > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. > But > > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed > benefic > > > effect? > > > > > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look > directly for > > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers > become > > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? > Will a > > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love > if > > > Raoji > > > > > can also return. > > > > > > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect > was > > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > > > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time > > > natural > > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My > > > personal > > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > > > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations > are > > > in > > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this > > > confirmation.I hve > > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the > past. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > <wandahl@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of > Mars > > > and > > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, > unfortunately > > > always > > > > > > with mostly bad results. > > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of > > > interpretation is > > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu > as > > > two > > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars > becomes a > > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by > ruling > > > 4th > > > > > and 9th. > > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited > > > benefic > > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't > > > forget the > > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I > have > > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very > > > well,regarding > > > > > how > > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the > malefic > > > > > nture > > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon > > > saves us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > > > balanced > > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request > > > would be > > > > > to > > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of > Raoji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > > > > you for > > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so if you look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's chart you will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is very paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue also. so I would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the way he is now. sincerely, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Sri Bhaskar, No maha dasa is all-benefic. In fact, Even a (naturally) benefic maha dasa lord, in its own antardasa (which is the starting antardasa) will not give its own results (or benefic results) always - under different conditions different results will be given. I am very positive that only those who have studied complete dasas in a horoscope can answer this question, provided they take an honest & unbiased approach while doing so. In one case, when two natural malefics are associated ( either through conjunction/aspect), then antardasa of one of them in the maha dasa of the other, raised the native to extreme heights (legitimately, in a legal way, or in a right royal way - not in illegitimate way like the pre-conceived notion dictates); the native did not pay any price for the same, except his own hardwork. There was no Jupiter or Venus or Moon or Mercury aspect for this association of malefics. The key to this is association through nakshathras and navamsas. THe association of planets through nakshathras and navamsas does a lot in exchanging the natural benefic and natural malefic nature between planets. I strongly feel that the concept of interpreting maha dasa and antardasa is not clearly understood by a vast majority of astrologers - another area that needs special attention - only through practical horoscopes. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable, > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None . > > So why blame Rahu or Mars ? > > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion, > thinking that Rahu is malefic or > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members > to check the Charts of those afflicted with > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter > would provide the inflammation. > > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ? > > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ? > > So lets not make biased judgements, > and treat all planets as alike, > just keeoping their characteristics in mind. > > Rahu - Cuts > Mars - Blood > Saturn- lingering > Jupiter- Inflammation > Venus - Sexual diseases > Sun - Blindness > Mercury- Skin related. > Moon - Mental. > > So here we have all the planets in row, > Are all bad ? > Dont they give good results too ? > > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums, > not to give long essays, which mean nothing, > but give predictive principles > applied, in their essays and thesis > or articles. > > regards, > Bhaskar. , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Finn, > > > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > effect? " > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with > heavy price, mostly not worth it. > > Thank you for your valuable input. > > > > Regards, > > Anna > > > > Thank you for > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope > > a question. > > > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or > > great results. > > > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common > > understanding of - ''all good''. > > > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine > > triggers is my understanding. > > > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. > > > > Hope to learn more. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in > > the > > > 1st house. > > > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- > > Karaka > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > effect? > > > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if > > Raoji > > > > can also return. > > > > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time > > natural > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My > > personal > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are > > in > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this > > confirmation.I hve > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > <wandahl@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars > > and > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately > > always > > > > > with mostly bad results. > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of > > interpretation is > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as > > two > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling > > 4th > > > > and 9th. > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited > > benefic > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't > > forget the > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very > > well,regarding > > > > how > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic > > > > nture > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon > > saves us. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > > balanced > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request > > would be > > > > to > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > > > you for > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _ > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Auto Green Center. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Sri Raja, THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. Satya Sai Kolachina , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so if you > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's chart you > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is very > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue also. so I > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the way he > is now. > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Satya Sai ji, This fellow is a first class idiot. He does not know any abc of astrology, but just pretending. he has just read in some book Mars has the rulership of which houses for leo Lagna,and now talking. My Mother is a Devi, which not me as a son, but thousands would vouch for, My father has helped hundreds if not thousands ,with his hard earned money to become something in their lives, which also thousands would vouch for. My Father is one of the highest Sales Tax Payers in Bombay, just for his information, and only lawful people can do this. We are Chawdurie's of rajasthan, and do not accept anything which we have unearned,or not given services for. Unlawful is a alien term for us. I would ask him to clarify what are the unlawful activities we are all involved in, and also how has Bhaskar been dragged down, from where, and where to ? regards, Bhaskar. , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Sri Raja, > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , " Raja Gursahani " > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. > so if you > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's > chart you > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this > is very > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > mother and > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue > also. so I > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > unlawful > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > the way he > > is now. > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Raja, Do not ask us what to look for, and where. I have not given you permission to talk about my chart, so dont do so. Prove astrologically, whatever results you have arrived at, or just get out of this Forum. You have no place over here to talk dirty without base, logic and substance. This shows your low breeding. I would ask you to check whether your mother was engaged in unlawful activities, to have given birth to you. If You are a man, go and ask her about the reason for your birth and existence.(Nagpur astrologer and Freind, this time, no moral policing please, he has straightaway attacked my father and mother and referred to them as being engaged in unlawful activities). Or do you know about your parents at all ? Talk to me astrologically, is what I told you before, and recently I told you, not to talk about me, then why are you talking about me or my family? Did you get no American tonight, whom you could lend your back, so you remembered me ? I told you, I am not that type, so why are you after me ? please go and get your self checked in some mental assylum, and if your back is paining, due to regular lending to Americans as professional services,for considerations received,then do something else, but do not remember me please. One of your Fathers, Bhaskar. , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so if you > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's chart you > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is very > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue also. so I > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the way he > is now. > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Sri Bhaskar, I can understand your frustration. I would still request you to please maintain the balance. Just because someone talks like that, such words will not touch your parents. All mothers are representation of the ultimate universal mother, Amba; an abuse to any mother is akin to abuse of own mother, or of Amba, which is the greatest sin one can do. A mother undergoes through such enormous amount of pain to deliver a child. The entire humanity should feel guilty to hear such words. Just consider that Amba is testing your patience, when you try to maintain balance. Best regards, Satya Sai Kolachina , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Satya Sai ji, > > This fellow is a first class idiot. He does not know > any abc of astrology, but just pretending. > he has just read in some book Mars has the rulership > of which houses for leo Lagna,and now talking. > > My Mother is a Devi, which not me as a son, but > thousands would vouch for, My father has helped > hundreds if not thousands ,with his hard earned > money to become something in their lives, which > also thousands would vouch for. My Father is one > of the highest Sales Tax Payers in Bombay, just > for his information, and only lawful people can > do this. We are Chawdurie's of rajasthan, and do > not accept anything which we have unearned,or > not given services for. Unlawful is a alien term > for us. > > I would ask him to clarify what are the unlawful > activities we are all involved in, and also how has > Bhaskar been dragged down, from where, and where to ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. > > so if you > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's > > chart you > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this > > is very > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > > mother and > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue > > also. so I > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > > unlawful > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > > the way he > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Thanks for your interpretations.Malefics in upachaya on another angle is good as well. In your case,ninth lord is associated with Rahu and spiritual matters too will come into play.Moreover when Rahu comes late in life,one becomes spiritual because of vast experience. If you remember,i had mentioned about sun and mars having vimshamsha in the 9th house of your rashi chart and in strength.Jupiter i feel is having navamsha there as well.Spiritual inclinations are strong. I will try to analyze in detail as promised. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji, > > A very good post by Your goodself. > > In Your Fathers case, let us not forget that the 11th > is a badhaksthana, and Rahu would be the trigger, or > the driver , or the catalyst, who would represent > the badhaksthana the most, by being in occupation > of the 11th. The badhaksthana would normally bring badhaka > to the attributes of the house, but solely meant for the > health in old age, when it would be able to function > the best ie.either kill the native, or bring near death > experiences,if the other factors of longevity are strong. > In Kp, when we talk of the Lagna or Ascendant being in the > badhaksthanas sublord then it is clear case of medium > longevity, for instance, or the Lagna has not much > strength, we say. > > Now if you believe me, In Rahu Mahadasha, I have come > much closer to God (Spiritual), may not be in physical by > apparent person doing poojas for long hours etc. which > I am not able to, due to lack of time, or pre-occupations, > but I speak with him constantly, not a few hours pass, > when I dont speak to him. I never go to sleep, before I speak > to him. My speaking means conversations with him, which > were also there in Mars Mahadasha, but more so in Rahu. > So somehow I cannot digest when they say Rahu is bad. > > But practically saying truthfully, if I have to have a > heart surgery in future, as per my onwards indications > of the Horoscope,would it mean that I would still call > Rahu as good after the event, and not blame it ? > certainly. I would not blame it, because Rahu has the > characteristics of cutting, esppecially when conjoint > with Mars it calls for surgical aid. But that is what > the fruits I have to eat, for the seeds I have sown, > and not because of Rahu.Rahu is just the instrument > as I see it. > > Therefore I respect all planets, and their natural > malefic or beneficness is another matter.They would > just bring in these characteristics while rewarding > or while punishing, nothing more than that. their > characteristics are just limited to that, I believe. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no > > planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as > > compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement here. > > > > But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of > > planets,and influences upon them. > > > > I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking > > about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they say > > so,that is the nature. > > > > Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th > > house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my > > father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the > > stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is recovering > > well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus you > > see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar > > ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true. > > > > For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in the > > 3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting the > > house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage and > > position as well in Rahu. > > > > But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing > > spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding > > this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every > > test and Lord will guard us to all stages. > > > > Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are > > fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to > > case. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu > > > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable, > > > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I > > > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will > > > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None . > > > > > > So why blame Rahu or Mars ? > > > > > > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion, > > > thinking that Rahu is malefic or > > > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give > > > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone > > > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members > > > to check the Charts of those afflicted with > > > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give > > > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter > > > would provide the inflammation. > > > > > > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ? > > > > > > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ? > > > > > > So lets not make biased judgements, > > > and treat all planets as alike, > > > just keeoping their characteristics in mind. > > > > > > Rahu - Cuts > > > Mars - Blood > > > Saturn- lingering > > > Jupiter- Inflammation > > > Venus - Sexual diseases > > > Sun - Blindness > > > Mercury- Skin related. > > > Moon - Mental. > > > > > > So here we have all the planets in row, > > > Are all bad ? > > > Dont they give good results too ? > > > > > > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums, > > > not to give long essays, which mean nothing, > > > but give predictive principles > > > applied, in their essays and thesis > > > or articles. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Finn, > > > > > > > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by > > saying > > > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic > > > > effect? " > > > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. > > > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, > > even > > > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact- > > > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse > > malefic > > > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, > > even if > > > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with > > > heavy price, mostly not worth it. > > > > Thank you for your valuable input. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Thank you for > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the > > horoscope > > > > a question. > > > > > > > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the > > > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two > > > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround > > elevation or > > > > great results. > > > > > > > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have > > given > > > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common > > > > understanding of - ''all good''. > > > > > > > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the > > inner > > > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise > > > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine > > > > triggers is my understanding. > > > > > > > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific > > > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present. > > > > > > > > Hope to learn more. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc... > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum > > attention > > > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two > > planets in > > > > the > > > > > 1st house. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much > > importance to > > > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga- > > > > Karaka > > > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. > > But > > > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed > > benefic > > > > effect? > > > > > > > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look > > directly for > > > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house > > > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers > > become > > > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? > > Will a > > > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu? > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love > > if > > > > Raoji > > > > > > can also return. > > > > > > > > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect > > was > > > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction. > > > > > > > > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time > > > > natural > > > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My > > > > personal > > > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations > > are > > > > in > > > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this > > > > confirmation.I hve > > > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the > > past. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > > <wandahl@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this > > > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, > > unfortunately > > > > always > > > > > > > with mostly bad results. > > > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of > > > > interpretation is > > > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu > > as > > > > two > > > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars > > becomes a > > > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by > > ruling > > > > 4th > > > > > > and 9th. > > > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited > > > > benefic > > > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't > > > > forget the > > > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Styaji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I > > have > > > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very > > > > well,regarding > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the > > malefic > > > > > > nture > > > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon > > > > saves us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a > > > > balanced > > > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request > > > > would be > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of > > Raoji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked > > > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are > > > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic > > > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is > > > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It > > > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between > > > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things > > > > > > > > > then do not use them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here > > > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing > > > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is > > > > > > > > > > not appropriate > > > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to > > > > > > > > > > you for > > > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing > > > > > > > > > > out was absolute > > > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely > > > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one > > > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas > > > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and > > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that > > > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord itself. The > > > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka > > > > > > > > > > other than the > > > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Besides > > > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of > > > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You > > > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing > > > > > > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the > > > > > > > > > > one-sided > > > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others > > > > > > > > > > accept their > > > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge > > > > > > > > > > sharing going > > > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why > > > > > > > > > > cann't people > > > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are > > > > > > > > > > free to publish > > > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the > > > > > > > > > > whole group? > > > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate > > > > > > > > > > the theories > > > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja > > > > > > > > > > Gursahani " > > > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in > > > > > > > > > > this group. I > > > > > > > > > > think you > > > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that > > > > > > > > > > mercury affliction > > > > > > > > > > because it > > > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us. > > > > > > > > > > participation in this group > > > > > > > > > > is based > > > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are > > > > > > > > > > causing all > > > > > > > > > > sorts of > > > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and > > > > > > > > > > ridicule others > > > > > > > > > > then you > > > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > _ > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers > > from > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > who knows. 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Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Raja Please do not say anything like this about anybodys parents. Mother (Mata) is devi be yours or Bhaskars or anybodys else. If you say any bad word about Mata be assured you are incurring high quality sin. At least Vedic Jyotishi should know this. So I request you to tender your unconditional apology to Bhaskars Mataji & Pitaji. If possible go to near by JagatAmba mandir and perform 1008 parikrama as soon as possible. Do not forget to recite Om Kleem JagatAmbayai NamaH in each Pradakshina as many times as possible. I am sure Bhaskars Mataji will forgive you. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so if you > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's chart you > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is very > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue also. so I > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the way he > is now. > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 oh we know how you have dragged everybody down Bhaskar. but don't worry about it. I mean I am so surprised by how you can call me an idiot. by the way the way you refer to people in the first place is what bothers me. you see you can't react to anybody without getting so deeply personal. well how does it feel now!! I mean its only a prediction based on two malefics in the chart. but I could be wrong!! I am also aware that those two malefics could be otherwise different in many cases depending on the circumstances!! sincerely, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Shri Raja Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously want to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously stopped by the moderator. regards / Prafulla , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Sri Raja, > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > , " Raja Gursahani " > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. > so if you > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's > chart you > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this > is very > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > mother and > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue > also. so I > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > unlawful > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > the way he > > is now. > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Once again moral policing overdrive. Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end it there and stick to jyotish. , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Raja > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously want > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > stopped by the moderator. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. > > so if you > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's > > chart you > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this > > is very > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > > mother and > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue > > also. so I > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > > unlawful > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > > the way he > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Atma Gnan ji It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be allowed to write bad about parents or not? It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the people, who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards? regards / Prafulla , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Once again moral policing overdrive. > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end it > there and stick to jyotish. > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Raja > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously > want > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > > stopped by the moderator. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the > lagna. > > > so if you > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for > bhaskar's > > > chart you > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. > this > > > is very > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > > > mother and > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means > intrigue > > > also. so I > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > > > unlawful > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > > > the way he > > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Prafullaji, If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents Then so should not be native `b' The issue of provocation is irrelevant As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq. Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations. I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content. If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part? Best wishes. , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be > allowed to write bad about parents or not? > > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the people, > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards? > > regards / Prafulla > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Once again moral policing overdrive. > > > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end it > > there and stick to jyotish. > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Raja > > > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously > > want > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > > > stopped by the moderator. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the > > lagna. > > > > so if you > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for > > bhaskar's > > > > chart you > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. > > this > > > > is very > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > > > > mother and > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means > > intrigue > > > > also. so I > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > > > > unlawful > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > > > > the way he > > > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Atma Gnan ji LOL - very interesting example. Yes - these threads diverts all of us, from serious discussions. But I will buy your argument - if you choose to remain quiet (like you do when someone has started abuse) - when someone is commenting about such abuse. I agree with you - that any one abusing parents (whether as first abuse or counter one) is bad - though the person, who starts should be held guilty. Back to Jyotish... regards / Prafulla , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Prafullaji, > > If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents > Then so should not be native `b' > The issue of provocation is irrelevant > As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq. > > Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my > eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and > will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations. > > I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I > don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need > for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content. > > If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in > double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to > your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on > Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate > the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part? > > Best wishes. > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > > > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be > > allowed to write bad about parents or not? > > > > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I > > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse > > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the > people, > > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards? > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Once again moral policing overdrive. > > > > > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end > it > > > there and stick to jyotish. > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raja > > > > > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you > seriously > > > want > > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > > > > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri > Bhaskar's > > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > > > > stopped by the moderator. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and > is > > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the > > > lagna. > > > > > so if you > > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for > > > bhaskar's > > > > > chart you > > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes > about. > > > this > > > > > is very > > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th > so > > > > > mother and > > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means > > > intrigue > > > > > also. so I > > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in > some > > > > > unlawful > > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why > he is > > > > > the way he > > > > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Raja ji There can be personal digfferenes.Mistakes can also happen from either sides.We should forgive each other and try not to make astrology as a means to hurt others. Hope you take this in the right sense. Regds Pradeep , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > oh we know how you have dragged everybody down Bhaskar. but don't worry > about it. I mean I am so surprised by how you can call me an idiot. by the > way the way you refer to people in the first place is what bothers me. you > see you can't react to anybody without getting so deeply personal. well how > does it feel now!! I mean its only a prediction based on two malefics in the > chart. but I could be wrong!! I am also aware that those two malefics could > be otherwise different in many cases depending on the circumstances!! > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > __________ > > Raja G. Gursahani > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hello Raja, I know you are someone's fake id and i dont know who's but you have no right to make this astrology as a method to prove someone bad. you yourself have proved that wht is your level in astrology. You should apologize to bhaskar ji for your writings. Regards, Tarun > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. > > so if you > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's > > chart you > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this > > is very > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so > > mother and > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue > > also. so I > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some > > unlawful > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is > > the way he > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, I am a member of 76 Forums on Astrology and Spiritualsim. Please search for at least one message, where I have abused any member , without provocation, voluntarily from my side, on any issue. You would not find a single. This is the second time I have seen you rebuking a good member who stood to talk against injustice and unjustified behaviour, from another member, to me. I have seen you doing this before too, but not seen you speaking against the person who started or provocated this. I have more than equalised the behaviour, ONLY IN ABSENCE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR GOODSELF COMING FORWARD TO CONDEMN SUCH BEHAVIOUR. Is speaking out known as Equalising ? I give you two examples below- a) While traveling , in a train, some dirty looking man comes and sits between your mother and sister, when another on looker objects, he slaps him. You, who had gone for few minutes, to the toilet, and now come back, after realising what has happened, slap the man and throw him out of the compartment ? Would you call this equalising ? or would you keep quiet and show your saintliness or cowardice, either of the two. b) While you three have gone for teerthyatra, and someone calls your Father and mother a thief, because, someones purse is lost, and your parents look too simple, and are wearing ordinary clothes. What would you do ? Would you protest or just show your saintliness or cowardice, either of the two. If you protest, would it be called equalising ? Sir all Big talks on keeping public image, look good only in books or front of public, but take one nowhere spiritually. That is practical spiritualism. One cannot fool his conscience and hide the cowardice, or his connivance with the criminals, at such times, when one keeps quiet. I would prefer to be banned from all Forums, societies and the world itself, if I cannot speak back against abuse given to my parents. Sorry, I cannot be a good astrologer if I cannot be a good son to my parents, they may not know what has transpired here, but my conscience knows, My God knows. I do not want any image keeping, or mantaining of respect, neither diplomacy, if I cannot defend my parents who are innocent, and unnecessarily abused, to create a furore, then I am not a good man- Period. When there was no trouble going on since last few days, apart from the astrological arguments, why has this person to come and suddenly, talk any nonsense without base ? That issue has to be settled and, not the equalising part. Instead of this moral policing, you are advocating the moral policy of taking the innocent victim to task, with this attitude, and not the criminals. I also find that suddenly new email ids have come in the Forum as, new members, who seem to know much of the members etc.even after having joined just 2 days ago. Please be careful of all such members who keep on joining as new ones. That was straight from the heart, no beating around the bush, no diplomacy, and remember when a person is in pain, only the sounds of pain can be heard from him, and one cannot and should not expect ability to refrain emotions with subtle crafty expressions, as one good member advised. No offense here to anyone, just speaking in defense. regards/Bhaskar. Note to the Moderator- Please note that I always speak strongly, only whenever provocated, otherwise I never speak out of turn in abusive language. But all the same, I apologise. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Prafullaji, > > If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents > Then so should not be native `b' > The issue of provocation is irrelevant > As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq. > > Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my > eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and > will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations. > > I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I > don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need > for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content. > > If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in > double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to > your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on > Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate > the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part? > > Best wishes. > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > > > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be > > allowed to write bad about parents or not? > > > > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I > > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse > > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the > people, > > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards? > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Once again moral policing overdrive. > > > > > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end > it > > > there and stick to jyotish. > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raja > > > > > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you > seriously > > > want > > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > > > > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri > Bhaskar's > > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > > > > stopped by the moderator. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and > is > > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the > > > lagna. > > > > > so if you > > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for > > > bhaskar's > > > > > chart you > > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes > about. > > > this > > > > > is very > > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th > so > > > > > mother and > > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means > > > intrigue > > > > > also. so I > > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in > some > > > > > unlawful > > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why > he is > > > > > the way he > > > > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Bhaskarji Several members made a point to condemn the message of Rajaji, which was indeed below the belt and unwarranted. However, rather than maintain or promote any peace in the list, such messages seem to achieve nothing but ignite further the mood and discontent of the persons involved. In the absence of active moderation (which should not be necessary) it is the responsibility of us all to behave in a manner that no such issue is escalated. That is why I have faith in maintaining a balanced approach and not taking any sides, and to focus on Jyotish discussions so that invaluable time is not lost. Let's forget who's right and who's wrong and place an emphasis on Jyotish. Someone has just posted a chart in relation to a childbirth problem: an analysis on this using various methods would be a stimulating exercise. I look forward to your valued comments on this chart. Best wishes. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > I am a member of 76 Forums on Astrology > and Spiritualsim. Please search for at least > one message, where I have abused any member , > without provocation, voluntarily from my side, > on any issue. You would not find a single. > > This is the second time I have seen you rebuking > a good member who stood to talk against > injustice and unjustified behaviour, from > another member, to me. I have seen you > doing this before too, but not seen you > speaking against the person who started or > provocated this. I have more than > equalised the behaviour, ONLY IN ABSENCE > OF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR GOODSELF > COMING FORWARD TO > CONDEMN SUCH BEHAVIOUR. > > Is speaking out known as Equalising ? > > I give you two examples below- > > a) While traveling , in a train, > some dirty looking man comes and sits > between your mother and sister, when > another on looker objects, he slaps him. > You, who had gone for few minutes, > to the toilet, and now come back, > after realising what has happened, > slap the man and throw him out of the > compartment ? Would you call this > equalising ? or would you keep quiet and > show your saintliness or cowardice, > either of the two. > > b) While you three have gone for teerthyatra, > and someone calls your Father and mother > a thief, because, someones purse is lost, and > your parents look too simple, and are wearing > ordinary clothes. What would you do ? Would > you protest or just show your saintliness or > cowardice, either of the two. If you protest, > would it be called equalising ? > > Sir all Big talks on keeping public image, > look good only in books or front of public, > but take one nowhere spiritually. > That is practical spiritualism. One cannot > fool his conscience and hide > the cowardice, or his connivance with > the criminals, at such times, when one > keeps quiet. > > I would prefer to be banned from all Forums, > societies and the world itself, if I cannot > speak back against abuse given to my parents. > Sorry, I cannot be a good astrologer if I cannot > be a good son to my parents, they may not > know what has transpired here, but my > conscience knows, My God knows. > > I do not want any image keeping, or mantaining > of respect, neither diplomacy, if I cannot > defend my parents who are innocent, and > unnecessarily abused, to create a furore, > then I am not a good man- Period. > > When there was no trouble going on since last few days, > apart from the astrological arguments, why has this > person to come and suddenly, talk any nonsense > without base ? That issue has to be settled and, > not the equalising part. > > Instead of this moral policing, you > are advocating the moral policy > of taking the innocent victim to task, > with this attitude, and not the criminals. > > I also find that suddenly new email ids have > come in the Forum as, new members, who seem > to know much of the members etc.even after > having joined just 2 days ago. Please be careful > of all such members who keep on joining as new > ones. > > That was straight from the heart, no beating around > the bush, no diplomacy, and remember when a person > is in pain, only the sounds of pain can be heard from him, > and one cannot and should not expect ability to > refrain emotions with subtle crafty expressions, > as one good member advised. > > No offense here to anyone, just speaking in defense. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > Note to the Moderator- Please note that I always > speak strongly, only whenever provocated, otherwise I > never speak out of turn in abusive language. But > all the same, I apologise. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents > > Then so should not be native `b' > > The issue of provocation is irrelevant > > As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq. > > > > Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my > > eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and > > will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations. > > > > I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I > > don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need > > for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content. > > > > If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in > > double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to > > your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on > > Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate > > the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part? > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > > > > > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be > > > allowed to write bad about parents or not? > > > > > > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I > > > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse > > > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the > > people, > > > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards? > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Once again moral policing overdrive. > > > > > > > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end > > it > > > > there and stick to jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Raja > > > > > > > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you > > seriously > > > > want > > > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise. > > > > > > > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri > > Bhaskar's > > > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously > > > > > stopped by the moderator. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja, > > > > > > > > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and > > is > > > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani " > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the > > > > lagna. > > > > > > so if you > > > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for > > > > bhaskar's > > > > > > chart you > > > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes > > about. > > > > this > > > > > > is very > > > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th > > so > > > > > > mother and > > > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means > > > > intrigue > > > > > > also. so I > > > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in > > some > > > > > > unlawful > > > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why > > he is > > > > > > the way he > > > > > > > is now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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