Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Dear Members, Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on two of the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other lists too? Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Chandrashekarji Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the interesting content. What would be the underlying principles that in your opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on two of > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other > lists too? > > Chandrashekhar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 why would that be so chandrashekharji. I hope you are seeing this as a positive trend. also what does Saturn in leo have to do with Jyotish? namaskar, __________ Raja G. Gursahani *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA) *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is something that is happening right around us and it may be a good idea to try to fathom why this is happening. Chandrashekhar atma_gnan wrote: > > Chandrashekarji > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > interesting content. > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > have > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > two of > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > other > > lists too? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the involvement here in replying for defense against offense. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good idea to > try to fathom why this is happening. > > Chandrashekhar > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > interesting content. > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > have > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > two of > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > other > > > lists too? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, Why this is happenning ? When Lord Rama was about to come to Ayodhya after the Lanka Kand was over, the message was given to the Ayodhya vasis, prior to his coming. The nagari ayodhya was decorated to receive their Great prince and their King,in full glory and honour to the Great One. Are the present dramas unfolded also a sequel to such a type of entry of another Son ? Shani Bhagwaan coming back to his actual home for a period of 2.5 years of stay ,in His fathers residence ? Are the hapennings around us, indications of His Home coming , just like a storm before the silence once again. God knows,because Shani would prove troublesome only to the evil, for the good people he would only bring in gifts in abundance. I hope I remain good, at least in conscience, if not in behaviour in face of provocations. regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good idea to > try to fathom why this is happening. > > Chandrashekhar > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > interesting content. > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > have > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > two of > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > other > > > lists too? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Chandrashekarji I prefer this name as it keeps me focussed on my overriding objective, goal and passion in this carnation. It is my ultimate ambition to ahcieve atma-drishti and by the grace of God darshan of the divine form seated within. But without drifting too far away, this is of course not my 'real' name, but does contain a reference to my true self, the atma. There haven't been any further comments on this thread with the exception of Rajaji's query, so what would be your much-valued perspective? With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360 circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a brave and revolutionary propostion. Regds Manshresht , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good idea to > try to fathom why this is happening. > > Chandrashekhar > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > interesting content. > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > have > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > two of > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > other > > > lists too? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members, > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360 > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a > brave and revolutionary propostion. Yes - very well said. While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment in bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further continues - " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not done this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi being as a representative of many of the 16 divisions " Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for interpretation. But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but taken as one of the method. So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique he is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering D charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc. And that can be explained only through the case studies - where fallacies can be misleading. regards / Prafulla > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > lists > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to > see > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > commentator > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > idea to > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it > has > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > interesting content. > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance > of > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that > is > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > stimulating a > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > expressions > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > have > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this > on > > > two of > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > other > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden activity on the lists? Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > idea to > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > interesting content. > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > have > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > > two of > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > other > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, In a way you are right. I have my own understanding of the astro-logic of why this is happening. However I would like to see what opinion others hold on this phenomenon. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Shri Chandrasekharji, > > Why this is happenning ? > > When Lord Rama was about to come to Ayodhya after > the Lanka Kand was over, the message was given to > the Ayodhya vasis, prior to his coming. The nagari > ayodhya was decorated to receive their Great prince > and their King,in full glory and honour to the Great > One. > > Are the present dramas unfolded also a sequel > to such a type of entry of another Son ? > Shani Bhagwaan coming back to his actual > home for a period of 2.5 years of stay ,in > His fathers residence ? Are the hapennings > around us, indications of His Home coming , > just like a storm before the silence once > again. God knows,because Shani would prove > troublesome only to the evil, for the good > people he would only bring in gifts in > abundance. I hope I remain good, at least > in conscience, if not in behaviour in > face of provocations. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > idea to > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > interesting content. > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > have > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > > two of > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > other > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Manshresht, I understand your reasons to use a pseudonym. Your comments are right. Only, I think it is the navamsha tulya rashi method that is being advanced as the basis of Jyotish instead of being one of the tools used in Jyotish. Take care, Chandrashekhar. atma_gnan wrote: > > Chandrashekarji > > I prefer this name as it keeps me focussed on my overriding > objective, goal and passion in this carnation. It is my ultimate > ambition to ahcieve atma-drishti and by the grace of God darshan of > the divine form seated within. But without drifting too far away, > this is of course not my 'real' name, but does contain a reference to > my true self, the atma. > > There haven't been any further comments on this thread with the > exception of Rajaji's query, so what would be your much-valued > perspective? > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360 > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a > brave and revolutionary propostion. > > Regds > > Manshresht > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > lists > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to > see > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > commentator > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > idea to > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it > has > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > interesting content. > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance > of > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that > is > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > stimulating a > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > expressions > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > have > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this > on > > > two of > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > other > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded. I am not into such type of predictions never attempted. I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs poetry, but all the same...... I feel all those who are having strong Mars or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved in heated exchanges, in this period. The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight. Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer. Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house, the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies. The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th), people(7th)and also the speech of the other person (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the Opposite person). Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual discussions too, in these exchanges. Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the Lord of the 3rd House of Communications. Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or creation of excuses for one to leave the home away. Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum, aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and constellational Lordship of mercury, the house of communications, activated the hapennings on the various Lists. I know at least 3 persons involved presently in hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and the others may have to be checked. I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations from the normal, but since we are talking on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that part away. anyway. the above may just be some chatter.......... regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden > activity on the lists? > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > idea to > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > > have > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > > > > two of > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > > other > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the puzzle. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded. > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted. > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs > poetry, but all the same...... > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved > in heated exchanges, in this period. > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight. > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer. > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house, > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies. > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th), > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the > Opposite person). > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual > discussions too, in these exchanges. > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications. > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away. > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum, > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house > of communications, activated the hapennings on > the various Lists. > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and > the others may have to be checked. > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations > from the normal, but since we are talking > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that > part away. > > anyway. the above may just be some > chatter.......... > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden > > activity on the lists? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > lists > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love > to see > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > commentator > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > > idea to > > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that > it has > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the > relevance of > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo > that is > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > stimulating a > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > expressions > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > > > have > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find > this on > > > > > two of > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > > > other > > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Chandrasekharji, Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in front of Giants in Astrological knowledge, so try to watch my step. When I observe you people discussing on astrology, and the discussions, I know indeed, that it may never be possible to reach a small percentage even, of the knowledge You people possess, for my little knowledge comes from the commentaries made by people like you, while Yours comes straight from direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times. All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on consensus for the major parts at least, and live amicably for the good of all,who are desirous of Learning. Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain the Ashram Keepers always. kind regards, Bhaskar. , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural > zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the puzzle. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded. > > > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted. > > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs > > poetry, but all the same...... > > > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars > > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved > > in heated exchanges, in this period. > > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the > > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight. > > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer. > > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means > > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider > > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in > > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house, > > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom > > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies. > > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated > > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th), > > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person > > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the > > Opposite person). > > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the > > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be > > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times > > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts > > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd > > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual > > discussions too, in these exchanges. > > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of > > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the > > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications. > > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives > > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or > > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away. > > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum, > > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna > > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna > > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and > > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house > > of communications, activated the hapennings on > > the various Lists. > > > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in > > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and > > the others may have to be checked. > > > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part > > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations > > from the normal, but since we are talking > > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that > > part away. > > > > anyway. the above may just be some > > chatter.......... > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden > > > activity on the lists? > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > > > > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > > lists > > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love > > to see > > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > commentator > > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > > > idea to > > > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that > > it has > > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the > > relevance of > > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo > > that is > > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > stimulating a > > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > expressions > > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > > > > have > > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find > > this on > > > > > > two of > > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > > > > other > > > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Nobody is a giant and none a Lilliput in the realm of Vedic Astrology. There is no reason that everyone can not hold his own opinion in matters of application of principles. I have already expressed my own way of using various drishtis and have also given references of what the various authorities on astrology opined, even when this differs from my own views on the subject, as that is what my father taught me to do. It is up to the astrologers to apply all the methods indicated in the course of the discussions, to real life horoscopes and find out their own truth. Chandrashekhar. Bhaskar wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in > front of Giants in Astrological knowledge, > so try to watch my step. > When I observe you people discussing on astrology, > and the discussions, > I know indeed, that it may never > be possible to reach a small percentage even, > of the knowledge You people possess, for my little > knowledge comes from the commentaries made > by people like you, while Yours comes straight from > direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited > by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times. > > All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on > such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of > India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on > consensus for the major parts at least, and live > amicably for the good of all,who are desirous > of Learning. > > Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men > Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain > the Ashram Keepers always. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural > > zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the > puzzle. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded. > > > > > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted. > > > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs > > > poetry, but all the same...... > > > > > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars > > > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved > > > in heated exchanges, in this period. > > > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the > > > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight. > > > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer. > > > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means > > > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider > > > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in > > > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house, > > > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom > > > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies. > > > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated > > > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th), > > > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person > > > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the > > > Opposite person). > > > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the > > > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be > > > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times > > > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts > > > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd > > > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual > > > discussions too, in these exchanges. > > > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of > > > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the > > > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications. > > > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives > > > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or > > > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away. > > > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum, > > > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna > > > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna > > > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and > > > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house > > > of communications, activated the hapennings on > > > the various Lists. > > > > > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in > > > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and > > > the others may have to be checked. > > > > > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part > > > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations > > > from the normal, but since we are talking > > > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that > > > part away. > > > > > > anyway. the above may just be some > > > chatter.......... > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden > > > > activity on the lists? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > > > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > > > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > > > lists > > > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love > > > to see > > > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > > commentator > > > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. > Here is > > > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > > > > idea to > > > > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that > > > it has > > > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due > to the > > > > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the > > > relevance of > > > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo > > > that is > > > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > > stimulating a > > > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > > expressions > > > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were > listless > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find > > > this on > > > > > > > two of > > > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice > this on on > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release > Date: > > > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It is a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better after the paper is read. SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it will influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis are iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts. On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet is aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions. Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we cannot translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka. As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving extensive replies. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members, > > > > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360 > > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with > > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has > > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all > > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of > > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method > > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull > > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a > > brave and revolutionary propostion. > > Yes - very well said. > > While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment in > bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is > necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this > particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example > means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further continues - > " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not done > this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi being > as a representative of many of the 16 divisions " > > Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for > interpretation. > > But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All > these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but taken > as one of the method. > > So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique he > is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the > predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering D > charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc. > And that can be explained only through the case studies - where > fallacies can be misleading. > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > > lists > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to > > see > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > commentator > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > idea to > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it > > has > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance > > of > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that > > is > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > stimulating a > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > expressions > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > > have > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this > > on > > > > two of > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > > other > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- ---- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Your views on Mars is true with my case. Aries Transit of Mars is above my natal Mars.For me the antar dasha of Vargottama moon lording the 8th house of occult is running.Jupiter is placed in the natural 8th house of occult and in my case is aspecting the 8th house in natal chart as well.You may see the interest developed in reaching the roots. Though i have been writing a lot ,there was less attention,but this particular period helped in getting a patient ear and also a valuable suggestion from shri Sundeep on a Trayodashi falling on a Thursday - no matter whether my view is true or false.Also this period gave me an opportunity to study in depth ,texts like dashadhyayi. It is not to say that dashadhyayi covers all Jyotish knowledge.But as considering the limitations of contemporary astrologers in understanding basics,this text with rich tradition is a boon as compared to english translations. Mars transiting Aries gave all of us the necessary energy. Thanks to Lord. Let us hope True knowledge alone succeeeds,no matter whether it is my view or that of other learned members. Regds Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in > front of Giants in Astrological knowledge, > so try to watch my step. > When I observe you people discussing on astrology, > and the discussions, > I know indeed, that it may never > be possible to reach a small percentage even, > of the knowledge You people possess, for my little > knowledge comes from the commentaries made > by people like you, while Yours comes straight from > direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited > by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times. > > All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on > such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of > India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on > consensus for the major parts at least, and live > amicably for the good of all,who are desirous > of Learning. > > Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men > Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain > the Ashram Keepers always. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural > > zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the > puzzle. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded. > > > > > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted. > > > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs > > > poetry, but all the same...... > > > > > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars > > > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved > > > in heated exchanges, in this period. > > > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the > > > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight. > > > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer. > > > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means > > > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider > > > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in > > > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house, > > > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom > > > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies. > > > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated > > > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th), > > > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person > > > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the > > > Opposite person). > > > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the > > > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be > > > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times > > > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts > > > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd > > > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual > > > discussions too, in these exchanges. > > > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of > > > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the > > > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications. > > > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives > > > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or > > > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away. > > > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum, > > > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna > > > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna > > > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and > > > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house > > > of communications, activated the hapennings on > > > the various Lists. > > > > > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in > > > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and > > > the others may have to be checked. > > > > > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part > > > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations > > > from the normal, but since we are talking > > > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that > > > part away. > > > > > > anyway. the above may just be some > > > chatter.......... > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden > > > > activity on the lists? > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically, > > > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the > > > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > > > lists > > > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love > > > to see > > > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > > commentator > > > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. > Here is > > > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > > > > idea to > > > > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that > > > it has > > > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due > to the > > > > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the > > > relevance of > > > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo > > > that is > > > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > > stimulating a > > > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > > expressions > > > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were > listless > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find > > > this on > > > > > > > two of > > > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice > this on on > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release > Date: > > > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Pradeep, all members. I'd like to hear your opinion based on experience re this piece of information, that transit of one planet through any rashi, is relevant for all Dcharts, where the transiting planet happens to be. If Ju transits Sc, it may be in 5th H for rashi, Lagna in Drekanna, Moon in D10...etc.. I follow this principle myself- so far no conclusive opinion. /Rashi and Navamsa seems to support this principle more than other Dcharts?/ Regards, Anna vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It is a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better after the paper is read. SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it will influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis are iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts. On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet is aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions. Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we cannot translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka. As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving extensive replies. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members, > > > > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360 > > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with > > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has > > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all > > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of > > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method > > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull > > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a > > brave and revolutionary propostion. > > Yes - very well said. > > While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment in > bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is > necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this > particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example > means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further continues - > " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not done > this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi being > as a representative of many of the 16 divisions " > > Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for > interpretation. > > But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All > these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but taken > as one of the method. > > So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique he > is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the > predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering D > charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc. > And that can be explained only through the case studies - where > fallacies can be misleading. > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other > > lists > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to > > see > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > commentator > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good > > idea to > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it > > has > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance > > of > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that > > is > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > stimulating a > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > expressions > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless > > > > have > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this > > on > > > > two of > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on > > > > other > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- ---- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Please see below the number of posts per day in July and some pointers to exact degree transits. Date no of Posts Notes 1/Jul 7 2/Jul 4 3/Jul 26 4/Jul 15 5/Jul 25 6/Jul 79 Mars and Rahu at exact 14:29 - 3/11 position 7/Jul 63 8/Jul 71 9/Jul 130 Mars and Moon conjunct at exact 16:28 10/Jul 93 Mars and Jupiter at exact 17:06 - 6/8 position 11/Jul 90 Jupiter and Moon at exact 17:01 - Opposition 12/Jul 102 Saturn and Moon at exact 29:36 - 3/11 13/Jul 72 14/Jul 63 15/Jul 49 Does this mean anything? raj , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on two of > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other > lists too? > > Chandrashekhar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Ms.Anna You have your own justifications and experience to judge and analyze charts.I feel your non satisfaction is mainly due to expectations from particular house in a ''divisional chart''. Now effects are more pronounced in the case of navamshas as they also correspond to nakshathras.But classics do mention about tranits over dwadashamshas etc,giving result.These can be understood better,when the dwadashamsha rashis are studied w.r to relevant bhavas in Rashi chakra.This can also be studied w.r to rashis on to which,moon/sun/natal lagna etc have attained dwadashamsha,navamsha etc. Transits across the rashi,on to which our natal lagna has attained dashamsha etc can also be succesfully analyzed,provided other necessary conditions are met.All has to be done from the rashi chakra. My point is apart from thinking in lines of navamsha tulya-rashi tulya etc(techniques given by sages for understanding the principle) - we may also try to think the reason behind - ie why is this happening - How can we transfer rashi to navamsha - navamsha to rashi etc. Where is a Bhava-Why did sage define -Rashi and Bhava as one and the same.If we think Rashi is a general term ,we should think why did sage say Kshethra and Bhava are one and the same.If we are reluctant to accept the evident term Kshethra,we may then think why did sage say Riksha and Bhava are as well one and the same.So goes my approach combined with practical examples. The very reason behind my debates are only to point towards the ''perhaps'' reason for non satisfaction(consistency) among astrologers ,as in your case,while considering bhavas in ''varga chakras''. I would request you to employ any method you feel as right and arrive at conclusions.Simultaneous request would be to cross check basics when and where in doubt. Regds Pradeep , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, all members. > I'd like to hear your opinion based on experience re this piece of information, that transit of one planet through any rashi, is relevant for all Dcharts, where the transiting planet happens to be. If Ju transits Sc, it may be in 5th H for rashi, Lagna in Drekanna, Moon in D10...etc.. > I follow this principle myself- so far no conclusive opinion. /Rashi and Navamsa seems to support this principle more than other Dcharts?/ > Regards, > Anna > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members > > The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It is > a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better > after the paper is read. > SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it will > influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis are > iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and > transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts. > > On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet is > aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions. > > Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we cannot > translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka. > > As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving > extensive replies. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members, > > > > > > > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full > 360 > > > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, > with > > > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method > has > > > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of > all > > > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of > > > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method > > > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull > > > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a > > > brave and revolutionary propostion. > > > > Yes - very well said. > > > > While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment > in > > bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is > > necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this > > particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example > > means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further > continues - > > " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not > done > > this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi > being > > as a representative of many of the 16 divisions " > > > > Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for > > interpretation. > > > > But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All > > these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but > taken > > as one of the method. > > > > So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique > he > > is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the > > predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering > D > > charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc. > > And that can be explained only through the case studies - where > > fallacies can be misleading. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?), > > > > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on > other > > > lists > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love > to > > > see > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one > > > commentator > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here > is > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a > good > > > idea to > > > > try to fathom why this is happening. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > atma_gnan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that > it > > > has > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to > the > > > > > interesting content. > > > > > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the > relevance > > > of > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo > that > > > is > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, > > > stimulating a > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative > > > expressions > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were > listless > > > > > have > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find > this > > > on > > > > > two of > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this > on on > > > > > other > > > > > > lists too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ---- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release > Date: > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Sir, I had observed these aspects, conjunctions and trines, last night, but it was nearing midnight, and was feeling gulity of having opened the Panchang at too late after dark (Not allowed traditionally) and fearful too of the consequences, of the wrath of the Gods, said small prayer asking for forgiveness and continued for about 15-20 minutes. I did wish to mention about these conjunctions and placements in my last mail. Yes- You are very right. The Conjunctions, aspects to the Lagna,4th house specially Saturn-Moon, and Mars-Moon , these sambandhs are going to create terrible variations in the mode of expressions of thoughts,specially if we take The Natural Lagna, and relocated to all individuals having strong Mars or afflicted Mars.. regards, Bhaskar. , " indiadirector " <raj wrote: > > Please see below the number of posts per day in July and some pointers > to exact degree transits. > > Date no of Posts Notes > 1/Jul 7 > 2/Jul 4 > 3/Jul 26 > 4/Jul 15 > 5/Jul 25 > 6/Jul 79 Mars and Rahu at exact 14:29 - 3/11 position > 7/Jul 63 > 8/Jul 71 > 9/Jul 130 Mars and Moon conjunct at exact 16:28 > 10/Jul 93 Mars and Jupiter at exact 17:06 - 6/8 position > 11/Jul 90 Jupiter and Moon at exact 17:01 - Opposition > 12/Jul 102 Saturn and Moon at exact 29:36 - 3/11 > 13/Jul 72 > 14/Jul 63 > 15/Jul 49 > > Does this mean anything? > > raj > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on > two of > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other > > lists too? > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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