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Dear Members,

 

Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have

become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on two of

the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other

lists too?

 

Chandrashekhar.

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Chandrashekarji

 

Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

interesting content.

 

What would be the underlying principles that in your

opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

have

> become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

two of

> the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

other

> lists too?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

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why would that be so chandrashekharji. I hope you are seeing this as a

positive trend. also what does Saturn in leo have to do with Jyotish?

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

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*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

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Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

 

I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists

too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see

the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator

against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

something that is happening right around us and it may be a good idea to

try to fathom why this is happening.

 

Chandrashekhar

 

 

atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Chandrashekarji

>

> Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

> been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> interesting content.

>

> What would be the underlying principles that in your

> opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

> Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

> warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

> rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

> rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> have

> > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> two of

> > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> other

> > lists too?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

>

>

> ------

>

>

>

> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release 7/12/2007 4:08

PM

>

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

 

I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

>

> I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists

> too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see

> the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator

> against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

idea to

> try to fathom why this is happening.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

> atma_gnan wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekarji

> >

> > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

> > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > interesting content.

> >

> > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

> > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

> > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

> > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

> > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > have

> > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> > two of

> > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > other

> > > lists too?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

------

> >

> >

> >

> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> >

>

>

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Dear Shri Chandrasekharji,

 

Why this is happenning ?

 

When Lord Rama was about to come to Ayodhya after

the Lanka Kand was over, the message was given to

the Ayodhya vasis, prior to his coming. The nagari

ayodhya was decorated to receive their Great prince

and their King,in full glory and honour to the Great

One.

 

Are the present dramas unfolded also a sequel

to such a type of entry of another Son ?

Shani Bhagwaan coming back to his actual

home for a period of 2.5 years of stay ,in

His fathers residence ? Are the hapennings

around us, indications of His Home coming ,

just like a storm before the silence once

again. God knows,because Shani would prove

troublesome only to the evil, for the good

people he would only bring in gifts in

abundance. I hope I remain good, at least

in conscience, if not in behaviour in

face of provocations.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

>

> I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists

> too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see

> the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator

> against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

idea to

> try to fathom why this is happening.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

> atma_gnan wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekarji

> >

> > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

> > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > interesting content.

> >

> > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

> > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

> > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

> > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

> > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > have

> > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> > two of

> > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > other

> > > lists too?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

------

> >

> >

> >

> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> >

>

>

>

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Chandrashekarji

 

I prefer this name as it keeps me focussed on my overriding

objective, goal and passion in this carnation. It is my ultimate

ambition to ahcieve atma-drishti and by the grace of God darshan of

the divine form seated within. But without drifting too far away,

this is of course not my 'real' name, but does contain a reference to

my true self, the atma.

 

There haven't been any further comments on this thread with the

exception of Rajaji's query, so what would be your much-valued

perspective?

 

With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360

circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with

little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has

been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all

methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of

methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

(especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a

brave and revolutionary propostion.

 

Regds

 

Manshresht

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

>

> I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

lists

> too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to

see

> the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

commentator

> against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

idea to

> try to fathom why this is happening.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

>

> atma_gnan wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekarji

> >

> > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it

has

> > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > interesting content.

> >

> > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance

of

> > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that

is

> > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

stimulating a

> > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

expressions

> > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > have

> > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this

on

> > two of

> > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > other

> > > lists too?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

------

> >

> >

> >

> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members,

 

>

> With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360

> circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with

> little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has

> been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all

> methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of

> methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

> (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

> astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a

> brave and revolutionary propostion.

 

Yes - very well said.

 

While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment in

bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is

necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this

particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example

means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further continues -

" If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not done

this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi being

as a representative of many of the 16 divisions "

 

Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for

interpretation.

 

But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All

these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but taken

as one of the method.

 

So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique he

is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the

predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering D

charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc.

And that can be explained only through the case studies - where

fallacies can be misleading.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> >

> > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

> lists

> > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to

> see

> > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> commentator

> > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> idea to

> > try to fathom why this is happening.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> >

> > atma_gnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji

> > >

> > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it

> has

> > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > interesting content.

> > >

> > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance

> of

> > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that

> is

> > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> stimulating a

> > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> expressions

> > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > have

> > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this

> on

> > > two of

> > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > other

> > > > lists too?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> ------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden

activity on the lists?

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

> including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

>

> I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> >

> > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists

> > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see

> > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator

> > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> idea to

> > try to fathom why this is happening.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> >

> > atma_gnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji

> > >

> > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

> > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > interesting content.

> > >

> > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

> > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

> > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

> > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

> > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > have

> > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> > > two of

> > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > other

> > > > lists too?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> -------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

In a way you are right. I have my own understanding of the astro-logic

of why this is happening. However I would like to see what opinion

others hold on this phenomenon.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Chandrasekharji,

>

> Why this is happenning ?

>

> When Lord Rama was about to come to Ayodhya after

> the Lanka Kand was over, the message was given to

> the Ayodhya vasis, prior to his coming. The nagari

> ayodhya was decorated to receive their Great prince

> and their King,in full glory and honour to the Great

> One.

>

> Are the present dramas unfolded also a sequel

> to such a type of entry of another Son ?

> Shani Bhagwaan coming back to his actual

> home for a period of 2.5 years of stay ,in

> His fathers residence ? Are the hapennings

> around us, indications of His Home coming ,

> just like a storm before the silence once

> again. God knows,because Shani would prove

> troublesome only to the evil, for the good

> people he would only bring in gifts in

> abundance. I hope I remain good, at least

> in conscience, if not in behaviour in

> face of provocations.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> >

> > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other lists

> > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to see

> > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one commentator

> > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> idea to

> > try to fathom why this is happening.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> >

> > atma_gnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji

> > >

> > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it has

> > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > interesting content.

> > >

> > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance of

> > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that is

> > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn, stimulating a

> > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative expressions

> > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > have

> > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> > > two of

> > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > other

> > > > lists too?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> -------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Manshresht,

 

I understand your reasons to use a pseudonym. Your comments are right.

Only, I think it is the navamsha tulya rashi method that is being

advanced as the basis of Jyotish instead of being one of the tools used

in Jyotish.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Chandrashekarji

>

> I prefer this name as it keeps me focussed on my overriding

> objective, goal and passion in this carnation. It is my ultimate

> ambition to ahcieve atma-drishti and by the grace of God darshan of

> the divine form seated within. But without drifting too far away,

> this is of course not my 'real' name, but does contain a reference to

> my true self, the atma.

>

> There haven't been any further comments on this thread with the

> exception of Rajaji's query, so what would be your much-valued

> perspective?

>

> With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full 360

> circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation, with

> little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method has

> been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of all

> methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of

> methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

> (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

> astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a

> brave and revolutionary propostion.

>

> Regds

>

> Manshresht

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> >

> > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

> lists

> > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love to

> see

> > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> commentator

> > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> idea to

> > try to fathom why this is happening.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> >

> > atma_gnan wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekarji

> > >

> > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that it

> has

> > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > interesting content.

> > >

> > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the relevance

> of

> > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo that

> is

> > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> stimulating a

> > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> expressions

> > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > have

> > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this

> on

> > > two of

> > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > other

> > > > lists too?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -------------------------

> ------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded.

 

I am not into such type of predictions never attempted.

I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs

poetry, but all the same......

 

I feel all those who are having strong Mars

or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved

in heated exchanges, in this period.

The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the

Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight.

Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer.

Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means

also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider

as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in

between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house,

the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom

we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies.

The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated

in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th),

people(7th)and also the speech of the other person

(Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the

Opposite person).

Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the

Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be

involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times

sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts

and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd

house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual

discussions too, in these exchanges.

Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of

Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the

Lord of the 3rd House of Communications.

Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives

opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or

creation of excuses for one to leave the home away.

Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum,

aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna

from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna

entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and

constellational Lordship of mercury, the house

of communications, activated the hapennings on

the various Lists.

 

I know at least 3 persons involved presently in

hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and

the others may have to be checked.

 

I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part

by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations

from the normal, but since we are talking

on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that

part away.

 

anyway. the above may just be some

chatter..........

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden

> activity on the lists?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

> > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

> >

> > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> > involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > >

> > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

lists

> > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

to see

> > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

commentator

> > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> > idea to

> > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > >

> > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

it has

> > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > > interesting content.

> > > >

> > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

relevance of

> > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

that is

> > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

stimulating a

> > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

expressions

> > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > > have

> > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

this on

> > > > two of

> > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > > other

> > > > > lists too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > -------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural

zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the puzzle.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded.

>

> I am not into such type of predictions never attempted.

> I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs

> poetry, but all the same......

>

> I feel all those who are having strong Mars

> or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved

> in heated exchanges, in this period.

> The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the

> Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight.

> Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer.

> Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means

> also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider

> as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in

> between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house,

> the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom

> we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies.

> The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated

> in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th),

> people(7th)and also the speech of the other person

> (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the

> Opposite person).

> Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the

> Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be

> involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times

> sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts

> and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd

> house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual

> discussions too, in these exchanges.

> Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of

> Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the

> Lord of the 3rd House of Communications.

> Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives

> opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or

> creation of excuses for one to leave the home away.

> Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum,

> aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna

> from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna

> entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and

> constellational Lordship of mercury, the house

> of communications, activated the hapennings on

> the various Lists.

>

> I know at least 3 persons involved presently in

> hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and

> the others may have to be checked.

>

> I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part

> by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations

> from the normal, but since we are talking

> on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that

> part away.

>

> anyway. the above may just be some

> chatter..........

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden

> > activity on the lists?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

> > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

> > >

> > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > > >

> > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

> lists

> > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

> to see

> > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> commentator

> > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here is

> > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> > > idea to

> > > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

> it has

> > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to the

> > > > > interesting content.

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

> relevance of

> > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

> that is

> > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> stimulating a

> > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> expressions

> > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless

> > > > > have

> > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

> this on

> > > > > two of

> > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on

> > > > > other

> > > > > > lists too?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > -------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date:

> > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in

front of Giants in Astrological knowledge,

so try to watch my step.

When I observe you people discussing on astrology,

and the discussions,

I know indeed, that it may never

be possible to reach a small percentage even,

of the knowledge You people possess, for my little

knowledge comes from the commentaries made

by people like you, while Yours comes straight from

direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited

by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times.

 

All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on

such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of

India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on

consensus for the major parts at least, and live

amicably for the good of all,who are desirous

of Learning.

 

Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men

Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain

the Ashram Keepers always.

 

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural

> zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the

puzzle.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded.

> >

> > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted.

> > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs

> > poetry, but all the same......

> >

> > I feel all those who are having strong Mars

> > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved

> > in heated exchanges, in this period.

> > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the

> > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight.

> > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer.

> > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means

> > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider

> > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in

> > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house,

> > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom

> > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies.

> > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated

> > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th),

> > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person

> > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the

> > Opposite person).

> > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the

> > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be

> > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times

> > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts

> > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd

> > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual

> > discussions too, in these exchanges.

> > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of

> > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the

> > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications.

> > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives

> > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or

> > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away.

> > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum,

> > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna

> > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna

> > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and

> > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house

> > of communications, activated the hapennings on

> > the various Lists.

> >

> > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in

> > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and

> > the others may have to be checked.

> >

> > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part

> > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations

> > from the normal, but since we are talking

> > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that

> > part away.

> >

> > anyway. the above may just be some

> > chatter..........

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden

> > > activity on the lists?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > >

> > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

> > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

> > lists

> > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

> > to see

> > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > commentator

> > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation.

Here is

> > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> > > > idea to

> > > > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

> > it has

> > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due

to the

> > > > > > interesting content.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

> > relevance of

> > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

> > that is

> > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > stimulating a

> > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> > expressions

> > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were

listless

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

> > this on

> > > > > > two of

> > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice

this on on

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > lists too?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > -------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release

Date:

> > > > 7/12/2007 4:08 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Bhaskar,

 

Nobody is a giant and none a Lilliput in the realm of Vedic Astrology.

There is no reason that everyone can not hold his own opinion in matters

of application of principles. I have already expressed my own way of

using various drishtis and have also given references of what the

various authorities on astrology opined, even when this differs from my

own views on the subject, as that is what my father taught me to do.

 

It is up to the astrologers to apply all the methods indicated in the

course of the discussions, to real life horoscopes and find out their

own truth.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Bhaskar wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in

> front of Giants in Astrological knowledge,

> so try to watch my step.

> When I observe you people discussing on astrology,

> and the discussions,

> I know indeed, that it may never

> be possible to reach a small percentage even,

> of the knowledge You people possess, for my little

> knowledge comes from the commentaries made

> by people like you, while Yours comes straight from

> direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited

> by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times.

>

> All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on

> such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of

> India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on

> consensus for the major parts at least, and live

> amicably for the good of all,who are desirous

> of Learning.

>

> Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men

> Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain

> the Ashram Keepers always.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural

> > zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the

> puzzle.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded.

> > >

> > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted.

> > > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs

> > > poetry, but all the same......

> > >

> > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars

> > > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved

> > > in heated exchanges, in this period.

> > > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the

> > > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight.

> > > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer.

> > > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means

> > > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider

> > > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in

> > > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house,

> > > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom

> > > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies.

> > > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated

> > > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th),

> > > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person

> > > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the

> > > Opposite person).

> > > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the

> > > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be

> > > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times

> > > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts

> > > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd

> > > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual

> > > discussions too, in these exchanges.

> > > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of

> > > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the

> > > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications.

> > > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives

> > > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or

> > > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away.

> > > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum,

> > > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna

> > > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna

> > > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and

> > > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house

> > > of communications, activated the hapennings on

> > > the various Lists.

> > >

> > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in

> > > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and

> > > the others may have to be checked.

> > >

> > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part

> > > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations

> > > from the normal, but since we are talking

> > > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that

> > > part away.

> > >

> > > anyway. the above may just be some

> > > chatter..........

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the sudden

> > > > activity on the lists?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think there are very few learned people here astrologically,

> > > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> > > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on other

> > > lists

> > > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

> > > to see

> > > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > > commentator

> > > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation.

> Here is

> > > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a good

> > > > > idea to

> > > > > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

> > > it has

> > > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due

> to the

> > > > > > > interesting content.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

> > > relevance of

> > > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

> > > that is

> > > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > > stimulating a

> > > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> > > expressions

> > > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were

> listless

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

> > > this on

> > > > > > > two of

> > > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice

> this on on

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > lists too?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members

 

The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It is

a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better

after the paper is read.

SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it will

influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis are

iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and

transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts.

 

On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet is

aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions.

 

Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we cannot

translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka.

 

As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving

extensive replies.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members,

>

> >

> > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full

360

> > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation,

with

> > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method

has

> > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of

all

> > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of

> > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

> > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

> > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a

> > brave and revolutionary propostion.

>

> Yes - very well said.

>

> While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment

in

> bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is

> necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this

> particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example

> means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further

continues -

> " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not

done

> this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi

being

> as a representative of many of the 16 divisions "

>

> Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for

> interpretation.

>

> But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All

> these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but

taken

> as one of the method.

>

> So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique

he

> is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the

> predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering

D

> charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc.

> And that can be explained only through the case studies - where

> fallacies can be misleading.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

>

>

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > >

> > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on

other

> > lists

> > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

to

> > see

> > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > commentator

> > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here

is

> > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a

good

> > idea to

> > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > >

> > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

it

> > has

> > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to

the

> > > > interesting content.

> > > >

> > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

relevance

> > of

> > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

that

> > is

> > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > stimulating a

> > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> > expressions

> > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were

listless

> > > > have

> > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

this

> > on

> > > > two of

> > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this

on on

> > > > other

> > > > > lists too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Your views on Mars is true with my case.

Aries Transit of Mars is above my natal Mars.For me the antar dasha

of Vargottama moon lording the 8th house of occult is running.Jupiter

is placed in the natural 8th house of occult and in my case is

aspecting the 8th house in natal chart as well.You may see the

interest developed in reaching the roots.

Though i have been writing a lot ,there was less attention,but this

particular period helped in getting a patient ear and also a valuable

suggestion from shri Sundeep on a Trayodashi falling on a Thursday -

no matter whether my view is true or false.Also this period gave me

an opportunity to study in depth ,texts like dashadhyayi.

It is not to say that dashadhyayi covers all Jyotish knowledge.But as

considering the limitations of contemporary astrologers in

understanding basics,this text with rich tradition is a boon as

compared to english translations.

 

Mars transiting Aries gave all of us the necessary energy.

 

Thanks to Lord.

 

Let us hope True knowledge alone succeeeds,no matter whether it is my

view or that of other learned members.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekharji,

>

> Thank You, I know very well, that I am speaking in

> front of Giants in Astrological knowledge,

> so try to watch my step.

> When I observe you people discussing on astrology,

> and the discussions,

> I know indeed, that it may never

> be possible to reach a small percentage even,

> of the knowledge You people possess, for my little

> knowledge comes from the commentaries made

> by people like you, while Yours comes straight from

> direct interpretation of the shlokas spoken/recited

> by the great Rishi-Muni-Sages of the Ancient times.

>

> All those who can translate,interpret and discuss on

> such shlokas ,are the real heritage and treasure of

> India. But I wish all people like you could arrive on

> consensus for the major parts at least, and live

> amicably for the good of all,who are desirous

> of Learning.

>

> Please pardon me, I speak as a well wisher of all Men

> Like your Goodselves, and wish you people to remain

> the Ashram Keepers always.

>

> kind regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar,

> >

> > You have done a good analysis. Yes, position pf grahas in natural

> > zodiac, in transit, has certainly to be considered to unravel the

> puzzle.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Bhaskar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > >

> > > Yes,I noticed few Lists are certainly bombarded.

> > >

> > > I am not into such type of predictions never attempted.

> > > I will make a wild guess,which is just a childs

> > > poetry, but all the same......

> > >

> > > I feel all those who are having strong Mars

> > > or afflicted Mars, would face, or be involved

> > > in heated exchanges, in this period.

> > > The Natural Chart which consists Aries in the

> > > Lagna, has Mars seated there, since a fortnight.

> > > Saturn of course in the 4th house of Cancer.

> > > Mars directly squaring the 4th house, which means

> > > also Home,Forums such as these, which we consider

> > > as the Astrologers Home, where we come to relax,in

> > > between our work. Mars aspecting the 4th house,

> > > the 7th house, means the opposite person with whom

> > > we are communicating, and the 8th of hidden enemies.

> > > The strong Mars and its qualities would be infiltrated

> > > in all these 3 departments, Forum (4th),

> > > people(7th)and also the speech of the other person

> > > (Because the 8th house means the 2nd house of the

> > > Opposite person).

> > > Mars also has been in Nakshatra of Venus, who is the

> > > Lord of the 2nd House of Speech. Since mars would be

> > > involved,the mixture of Mars, would provide at times

> > > sweetness as well as immediate, Gunshot like retorts

> > > and responses in exchanges. Jupiter aspecting the 2nd

> > > house Taurus, would involve religious and spiritual

> > > discussions too, in these exchanges.

> > > Saturn has been all this while in the Nakshatra of

> > > Aslesha, again ruled by mercury, who is again the

> > > Lord of the 3rd House of Communications.

> > > Saturn whenever situated in the 4th house, gives

> > > opportunity for detachment,vairagya, sanyasa or

> > > creation of excuses for one to leave the home away.

> > > Saturn effects the activities-Karma on the Forum,

> > > aspect on 10th from the 4th.And finally the Lagna

> > > from 10th aspect. As soon as the lord of Lagna

> > > entered the lagna, Saturn with its dhristi and

> > > constellational Lordship of mercury, the house

> > > of communications, activated the hapennings on

> > > the various Lists.

> > >

> > > I know at least 3 persons involved presently in

> > > hot exchanges who have got strong Mars,and

> > > the others may have to be checked.

> > >

> > > I believe Herschel and neptune also play a part

> > > by conjunctions and aspects, in such aberrations

> > > from the normal, but since we are talking

> > > on Traditional and Vedic,I will keep that

> > > part away.

> > >

> > > anyway. the above may just be some

> > > chatter..........

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > I understand. Can you think of an astrological reason for the

sudden

> > > > activity on the lists?

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think there are very few learned people here

astrologically,

> > > > > including your goodself , whom I respect for your knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not been able to visit the other Lists due to the

> > > > > involvement here in replying for defense against offense.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this

on other

> > > lists

> > > > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would

love

> > > to see

> > > > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of

other

> > > > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > > commentator

> > > > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation.

> Here is

> > > > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be

a good

> > > > > idea to

> > > > > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much

so that

> > > it has

> > > > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly

due

> to the

> > > > > > > interesting content.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

> > > relevance of

> > > > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy

of Leo

> > > that is

> > > > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > > stimulating a

> > > > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved

creative

> > > expressions

> > > > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics

(cancer)?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that

were

> listless

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I

Find

> > > this on

> > > > > > > two of

> > > > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice

> this on on

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > lists too?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Pradeep, all members.

I'd like to hear your opinion based on experience re this piece of

information, that transit of one planet through any rashi, is relevant for all

Dcharts, where the transiting planet happens to be. If Ju transits Sc, it may be

in 5th H for rashi, Lagna in Drekanna, Moon in D10...etc..

I follow this principle myself- so far no conclusive opinion. /Rashi and

Navamsa seems to support this principle more than other Dcharts?/

Regards,

Anna

 

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members

 

The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It is

a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better

after the paper is read.

SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it will

influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis are

iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and

transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts.

 

On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet is

aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions.

 

Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we cannot

translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka.

 

As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving

extensive replies.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members,

>

> >

> > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full

360

> > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation,

with

> > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA) method

has

> > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation of

all

> > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance of

> > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

> > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

> > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed a

> > brave and revolutionary propostion.

>

> Yes - very well said.

>

> While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a comment

in

> bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution is

> necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this

> particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for example

> means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further

continues -

> " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not

done

> this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi

being

> as a representative of many of the 16 divisions "

>

> Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for

> interpretation.

>

> But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that - All

> these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but

taken

> as one of the method.

>

> So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the technique

he

> is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on the

> predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in considering

D

> charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects etc.

> And that can be explained only through the case studies - where

> fallacies can be misleading.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

>

>

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > >

> > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on

other

> > lists

> > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would love

to

> > see

> > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of other

> > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > commentator

> > > against another and even framing new rules of translation. Here

is

> > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a

good

> > idea to

> > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > >

> > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > >

> > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so that

it

> > has

> > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due to

the

> > > > interesting content.

> > > >

> > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

relevance

> > of

> > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of Leo

that

> > is

> > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > stimulating a

> > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> > expressions

> > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics (cancer)?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were

listless

> > > > have

> > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find

this

> > on

> > > > two of

> > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this

on on

> > > > other

> > > > > lists too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > >

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Please see below the number of posts per day in July and some pointers

to exact degree transits.

 

Date no of Posts Notes

1/Jul 7

2/Jul 4

3/Jul 26

4/Jul 15

5/Jul 25

6/Jul 79 Mars and Rahu at exact 14:29 - 3/11 position

7/Jul 63

8/Jul 71

9/Jul 130 Mars and Moon conjunct at exact 16:28

10/Jul 93 Mars and Jupiter at exact 17:06 - 6/8 position

11/Jul 90 Jupiter and Moon at exact 17:01 - Opposition

12/Jul 102 Saturn and Moon at exact 29:36 - 3/11

13/Jul 72

14/Jul 63

15/Jul 49

 

Does this mean anything?

 

raj

 

 

 

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have

> become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

two of

> the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other

> lists too?

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

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Dear Ms.Anna

 

You have your own justifications and experience to judge and analyze

charts.I feel your non satisfaction is mainly due to expectations

from particular house in a ''divisional chart''.

 

Now effects are more pronounced in the case of navamshas as they

also correspond to nakshathras.But classics do mention about tranits

over dwadashamshas etc,giving result.These can be understood

better,when the dwadashamsha rashis are studied w.r to relevant

bhavas in Rashi chakra.This can also be studied w.r to rashis on to

which,moon/sun/natal lagna etc have attained dwadashamsha,navamsha

etc.

 

Transits across the rashi,on to which our natal lagna has attained

dashamsha etc can also be succesfully analyzed,provided other

necessary conditions are met.All has to be done from the rashi

chakra.

 

My point is apart from thinking in lines of navamsha tulya-rashi

tulya etc(techniques given by sages for understanding the

principle) - we may also try to think the reason behind - ie why is

this happening - How can we transfer rashi to navamsha - navamsha to

rashi etc.

 

Where is a Bhava-Why did sage define -Rashi and Bhava as one and the

same.If we think Rashi is a general term ,we should think why did

sage say Kshethra and Bhava are one and the same.If we are reluctant

to accept the evident term Kshethra,we may then think why did sage

say Riksha and Bhava are as well one and the same.So goes my

approach combined with practical examples.

 

The very reason behind my debates are only to point towards

the ''perhaps'' reason for non satisfaction(consistency) among

astrologers ,as in your case,while considering bhavas in ''varga

chakras''.

 

I would request you to employ any method you feel as right and

arrive at conclusions.Simultaneous request would be to cross check

basics when and where in doubt.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep, all members.

> I'd like to hear your opinion based on experience re this piece

of information, that transit of one planet through any rashi, is

relevant for all Dcharts, where the transiting planet happens to be.

If Ju transits Sc, it may be in 5th H for rashi, Lagna in Drekanna,

Moon in D10...etc..

> I follow this principle myself- so far no conclusive

opinion. /Rashi and Navamsa seems to support this principle more

than other Dcharts?/

> Regards,

> Anna

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Atma Gnan ji and other respected members

>

> The discussion is not about navmsha tulya or rashi tulya alone.It

is

> a composite analysis comprising both and will be understood better

> after the paper is read.

> SJC accepts that if a planet is transiting one sign in rashi -it

will

> influence all ''divisional charts''.In Reality amshas and Rashis

are

> iterlinked (same way as lord of a house is relat with a house) and

> transit is influencing the very tattwa-not any charts.

>

> On the other hand,SJC is not prepared to accpet that if a planet

is

> aspecting a rashi it is not doing so in all divisions.

>

> Without understanding/accepting this basic taught by sages,we

cannot

> translate,Lagnashadvargake shloka.

>

> As the details will be coverd with examples,i may not be giving

> extensive replies.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma Gnan ji / Other members,

> >

> > >

> > > With regards to the debate, I agree it is going around in full

> 360

> > > circles and seems to remain largely restricted to speculation,

> with

> > > little application. It seems that the RasiTulyaAmsa(RTA)

method

> has

> > > been interpreted/is being propogated as being the foundation

of

> all

> > > methods rather than a method in itself. There are an abundance

of

> > > methods in Jyotish, so it seems strange that the RTA method

> > > (especially one that is seldom applied by the most successfull

> > > astrologers) should form the basis of Jyotish. This is indeed

a

> > > brave and revolutionary propostion.

> >

> > Yes - very well said.

> >

> > While mentioning a case study - Late Shri Santhanam made a

comment

> in

> > bold regarding Navamsa Tulya Rasi - " However, a word of caution

is

> > necessary so that the use of navamsa is not restricted tho this

> > particular method only. In some cases - the 5th navamsa for

example

> > means 5th from Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart. " he further

> continues -

> > " If the counting from Navamsa and other divisional charts is not

> done

> > this way, we will rediculously end up with each sign in the Rasi

> being

> > as a representative of many of the 16 divisions "

> >

> > Shri CS Patel has also provided Navamsa Tulya Rasi method for

> > interpretation.

> >

> > But the difference in above and Shri Pradeep's model is that -

All

> > these authors did not take that method as exclusive method; but

> taken

> > as one of the method.

> >

> > So Shri Pradeep's whitepaper must not be focusing on the

technique

> he

> > is suggesting (as that is acceptable one of the method) - but on

the

> > predictive fallacy of the authors / jyotish students in

considering

> D

> > charts as separate chart - with combinations / bhavas / aspects

etc.

> > And that can be explained only through the case studies - where

> > fallacies can be misleading.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Atma_gnan (is that really your name?),

> > > >

> > > > I wanted others to comment on whether they noticed this on

> other

> > > lists

> > > > too and their understanding of the reason for this. Would

love

> to

> > > see

> > > > the opinion of the learned on this. I have had enough of

other

> > > > discussions as they are leading nowhere except pitting one

> > > commentator

> > > > against another and even framing new rules of translation.

Here

> is

> > > > something that is happening right around us and it may be a

> good

> > > idea to

> > > > try to fathom why this is happening.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > atma_gnan wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekarji

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed this list has become very much active, so much so

that

> it

> > > has

> > > > > been difficult to keep up with the posts, particularly due

to

> the

> > > > > interesting content.

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the underlying principles that in your

> > > > > opinion/experience underpin this activity? What is the

> relevance

> > > of

> > > > > Saturn's imminent move into Leo and intense Jyotish

> > > > > discussion/debate? Is it the creative heat and energy of

Leo

> that

> > > is

> > > > > warming up the cold, traditional, philosophical Saturn,

> > > stimulating a

> > > > > rigours focus on core principles and the evolved creative

> > > expressions

> > > > > rather than vague brief, frequently changing topics

(cancer)?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were

> listless

> > > > > have

> > > > > > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I

Find

> this

> > > on

> > > > > two of

> > > > > > the lists that I to. Did any member notice

this

> on on

> > > > > other

> > > > > > lists too?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> Date:

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Sir,

 

I had observed these aspects, conjunctions and

trines, last night, but it was nearing midnight,

and was feeling gulity of having opened the Panchang

at too late after dark (Not allowed traditionally)

and fearful too of the consequences, of the wrath

of the Gods, said small prayer asking for

forgiveness and continued for about 15-20 minutes.

I did wish to mention about these conjunctions and

placements in my last mail.

 

Yes- You are very right.

The Conjunctions, aspects to the Lagna,4th house

specially Saturn-Moon, and Mars-Moon , these

sambandhs are going to create terrible variations

in the mode of expressions of thoughts,specially

if we take The Natural Lagna, and relocated to all

individuals having strong Mars or afflicted Mars..

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " indiadirector " <raj wrote:

>

> Please see below the number of posts per day in July and some pointers

> to exact degree transits.

>

> Date no of Posts Notes

> 1/Jul 7

> 2/Jul 4

> 3/Jul 26

> 4/Jul 15

> 5/Jul 25

> 6/Jul 79 Mars and Rahu at exact 14:29 - 3/11 position

> 7/Jul 63

> 8/Jul 71

> 9/Jul 130 Mars and Moon conjunct at exact 16:28

> 10/Jul 93 Mars and Jupiter at exact 17:06 - 6/8 position

> 11/Jul 90 Jupiter and Moon at exact 17:01 - Opposition

> 12/Jul 102 Saturn and Moon at exact 29:36 - 3/11

> 13/Jul 72

> 14/Jul 63

> 15/Jul 49

>

> Does this mean anything?

>

> raj

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Did anyone notice that suddenly jyotish lists that were listless have

> > become as transit of Saturn to Leo is approaching? I Find this on

> two of

> > the lists that I to. Did any member notice this on on other

> > lists too?

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

>

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