Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Sri Prafulla, Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out and left it there. I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on astrology. How planets deliver their results? - Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result of benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. It should be noted that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their natural maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It is true that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards the native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost most of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective shield in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is losing their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other hand, if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing such malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not necessarily true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they lose their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they may also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa and antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER PLANETS that are associated with them; there are several rules described in astrology to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget this fact and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope and try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when in association with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in its dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) would be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the natives. I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean both of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the trap of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. Public and Private Predictions. ------------------------------- AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for weaknesses and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing these subtle points in astrology. As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human tendency is to point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are actually opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is the biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only private predictions of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality agreement we establish with the planets (I consider that such a confidentiality agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least interested to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is for educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the members of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is not the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; a circastic laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who write, it is their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when we discuss someone else's weak points in public through their horoscope, we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd also note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses in their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly bless the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success rate. More in another post later... Best regards, Satya Sai KOlachina , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Satya ji > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am looking forward to next part of your post. > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where internet jyotish literally fails. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. > ************************************************ > > > > > > skolachi > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings are done > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > presence of his family members like parents or other well-wishers > > whereever appropriate. > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every one's > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No one born > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. Therefore > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your Sani or > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then I > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the underlying > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya or > > Prafulla. > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles (I am > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that person > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I just > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. ONE WHO > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT TO BE > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, but > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that we, as > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the planets > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may argue > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. Therefore, as > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing from the > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the charts. Sri > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy with > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would give > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed by the > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true astrologer. We > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bharat ji > >> > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > >> > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing publicly > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that Shri > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and then he > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > opinion > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - which > >> was very correct). > >> > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; > > and > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > >> > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > effects > >> - like many other factors. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla > >> > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > >>> > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and > > thereby > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that > > you > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have > > advised > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > >> Vishnusahastranama and > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > >>> > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects > > them to > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It > > is the > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > antidote > >> of an > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > immensely. > >>> > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been > >> expressed > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > >> people pounce > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > >>> > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > >> certainly, I > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > >>> > >>> Thanks and Regards > >>> Bharat > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > >>>> > >>>> If I may add: > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > groups: > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > malefic > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > ketu > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > gives as > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > planet. > >>>> > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > and > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar > > has > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > lagna - > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > another > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > >>>> > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > ways (so > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > results > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > > use of > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > >>>> > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > associated with > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > lanet - > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > in all > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > specific > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > planet > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > harm > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > >>>> > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > again > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > complimenting > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > shadbala, > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > with it > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > >>>> > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > > those > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > >>>> > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > > lagna > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > > karka. > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > placement > >>>> for leo native. > >>>> > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > >>>> considered shubha. > >>>> > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > approach > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > results > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla > >>>> > >>>> <% > > 40>, > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > >>>> > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Anna, > >>>>> > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > feeling > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > have been > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > is > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > > basis, > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > who are > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > know we > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > without > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > divine > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > clarification > >>>>> here. > >>>>> > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > which > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > >> One who > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > >> can be > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > not going > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > >>>>> > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > for > >> Sani > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > Karkataka > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > and > >> hence > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > partial > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > Mithuna > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > yogakaraka > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > > karaka > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it > > is > >> true > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > planet, > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > delivering > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > the > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > test this > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > >> dependence > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > >>>>> > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > but that > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > >> they are > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > where the > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > conclusions > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > benefic, > >> they > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > understanding on > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > predictions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > plays a > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > should pay > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > have this > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> <%40>, > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > me to > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > Ta Lagna > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > and > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > for Cn > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>> Anna > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > >>>>>> Satyaji, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Satish > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > >>>>>>> when Rahu > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > >>>>>>> then it becomes > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > >>>>>>> request you please > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > >>>>>>> astrologer. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > >>>>>>> consider my wise > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________ > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > >>>>> vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > >>>>>> http://autos./green_center/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Satyaji I think most members posting here do whilst making the implicit assumption that an array of factors must be taken into account when interpreting a chart. Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation/contribution. This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis tailored for discussion. Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation. This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis. You may also have noticed that such a focussed approach allows for a more involved/extended/interesting discussion with wider participation, probably because it enables sharing of experiences and knowledge related to specific combos, especially for learners and experienced types alike. It is also more time-efficient and doesn't impel one to type lengthy posts that generally drift from the point. After all, it is said that acquiring a thorough understanding of the 9 planets, their nature and various significations can take several life times in itself. The maturity of immaturity of members is irrelevant if your objective of forum participation is clear and you have a person brave and willing to provide a case study chart. It is clear that many have benefited from the discussions on Bhaskarji's chart which has indirectly stimulated your thought process too! Thank you for the interesting points. , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out > and left it there. > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on astrology. > > How planets deliver their results? > - > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result of > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. It > should be noted > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > natural > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It is > true > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards > the > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost most > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective shield > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is losing > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other hand, > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing such > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > necessarily > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they lose > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they may > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa and > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER PLANETS > that are > associated with them; there are several rules described in astrology > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget this > fact > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope and > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when > in association > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in its > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) would > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the natives. > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean > both > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the > trap > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > > Public and Private Predictions. > ------------------------------- > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for weaknesses > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing > these subtle points in astrology. > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > tendency is to > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are actually > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is the > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > private predictions > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality > agreement > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a confidentiality > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > interested > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is for > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the members > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is not > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a > beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; a > circastic > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who > write, it is > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when we > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their horoscope, > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd also > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses in > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly bless > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success rate. > > > More in another post later... > > Best regards, > Satya Sai KOlachina > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > community. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings are > done > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- wishers > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every > one's > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No one > born > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > Therefore > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your Sani > or > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then I > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > underlying > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya or > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles > (I am > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that > person > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I just > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. ONE > WHO > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT > TO BE > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, > but > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that we, > as > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > planets > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > argue > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > Therefore, as > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing from > the > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the charts. > Sri > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy > with > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would > give > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed by > the > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true astrologer. > We > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > >> > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > >> > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > publicly > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that > Shri > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > then he > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > > opinion > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - > which > > >> was very correct). > > >> > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; > > > and > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > >> > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > > effects > > >> - like many other factors. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla > > >> > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > >>> > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and > > > thereby > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that > > > you > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have > > > advised > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > >>> > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects > > > them to > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It > > > is the > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > antidote > > >> of an > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > immensely. > > >>> > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been > > >> expressed > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > > >> people pounce > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > >>> > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > > >> certainly, I > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > >>> Bharat > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > >>>> > > >>>> If I may add: > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > groups: > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > malefic > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > > ketu > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > gives as > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > > planet. > > >>>> > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > > and > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar > > > has > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > lagna - > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > another > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > > ways (so > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > results > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > > > use of > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > >>>> > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > associated with > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > > lanet - > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > > in all > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > specific > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > planet > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > > harm > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > > again > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > complimenting > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > shadbala, > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > with it > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > >>>> > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > > > those > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > >>>> > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > gives > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > > > lagna > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > > > karka. > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > placement > > >>>> for leo native. > > >>>> > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > are > > >>>> considered shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > approach > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > results > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > >>>> > > >>>> <% > > > 40>, > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > >>>> > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > feeling > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > have been > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > > is > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > > > basis, > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > > who are > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > know we > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > without > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > divine > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > clarification > > >>>>> here. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > which > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > > >> One who > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > > >> can be > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > not going > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > > for > > >> Sani > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > Karkataka > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > > and > > >> hence > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > partial > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > Mithuna > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > yogakaraka > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > > > karaka > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it > > > is > > >> true > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > planet, > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > delivering > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > the > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > test this > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > >> dependence > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > > but that > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > >> they are > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > where the > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > conclusions > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > benefic, > > >> they > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > understanding on > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > predictions. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > plays a > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > should pay > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > have this > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> <%40>, > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > > me to > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > Ta Lagna > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > and > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > > for Cn > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > >>>>>> Anna > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Satish > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > >>>>>>> request you please > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ________ > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > >>>>> vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Dear Satya, Excellent post! I'd like to give an example of Ju in transit. You said:blind mistake most astrologers do is taking Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not necessarily true. That's absolutely right. I always laugh when somebody tells me that Ju transit over my /Cancer/ Lagna will be 'great', and many did say that during Ju tr. Cn. Although proven big benefic for me/Ju in 9th, good in Navamsa, aspects,etc/ Ju tr Lagna has never been good for my health! Worse than Saturn, for sure. As soon as it moves away from lagna, I start enjoying benefits of Ju fully! Sure it's moolatrikona is in my sixth H. To be even more specific, I would say that other significations of Ju don't suffer during it's transit over lagna-just health. Not 100% benefic, indeed, but does it not hold true for all planets? Regards, Anna Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: Dear Sri Prafulla, Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out and left it there. I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on astrology. How planets deliver their results? - Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result of benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. It should be noted that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their natural maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It is true that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards the native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost most of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective shield in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is losing their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other hand, if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing such malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not necessarily true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they lose their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they may also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa and antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER PLANETS that are associated with them; there are several rules described in astrology to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget this fact and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope and try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when in association with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in its dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) would be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the natives. I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean both of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the trap of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. Public and Private Predictions. ------------------------------- AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for weaknesses and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing these subtle points in astrology. As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human tendency is to point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are actually opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is the biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only private predictions of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality agreement we establish with the planets (I consider that such a confidentiality agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least interested to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is for educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the members of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is not the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; a circastic laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who write, it is their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when we discuss someone else's weak points in public through their horoscope, we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd also note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses in their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly bless the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success rate. More in another post later... Best regards, Satya Sai KOlachina , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Satya ji > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am looking forward to next part of your post. > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where internet jyotish literally fails. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. > ************************************************ > > > > > > skolachi > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings are done > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > presence of his family members like parents or other well-wishers > > whereever appropriate. > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every one's > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No one born > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. Therefore > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your Sani or > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then I > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the underlying > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya or > > Prafulla. > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles (I am > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that person > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I just > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. ONE WHO > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT TO BE > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, but > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that we, as > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the planets > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may argue > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. Therefore, as > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing from the > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the charts. Sri > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy with > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would give > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed by the > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true astrologer. We > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Bharat ji > >> > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > >> > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing publicly > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that Shri > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and then he > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > opinion > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - which > >> was very correct). > >> > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; > > and > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > >> > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > effects > >> - like many other factors. > >> > >> regards / Prafulla > >> > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > >>> > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and > > thereby > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that > > you > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have > > advised > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > >> Vishnusahastranama and > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > >>> > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects > > them to > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It > > is the > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > antidote > >> of an > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > immensely. > >>> > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been > >> expressed > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > >> people pounce > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > >>> > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > >> certainly, I > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > >>> > >>> Thanks and Regards > >>> Bharat > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > >>>> > >>>> If I may add: > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > groups: > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > malefic > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > ketu > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > gives as > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > planet. > >>>> > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > and > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar > > has > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > lagna - > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > another > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > >>>> > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > ways (so > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > results > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > > use of > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > >>>> > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > associated with > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > lanet - > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > in all > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > specific > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > planet > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > harm > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > >>>> > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > again > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > complimenting > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > shadbala, > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > with it > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > >>>> > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > > those > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > >>>> > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi gives > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > > lagna > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > > karka. > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > placement > >>>> for leo native. > >>>> > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship are > >>>> considered shubha. > >>>> > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > approach > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > results > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > >>>> > >>>> regards / Prafulla > >>>> > >>>> <% > > 40>, > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > >>>> > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Anna, > >>>>> > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > feeling > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > have been > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > is > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > > basis, > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > who are > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > know we > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > without > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > divine > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > clarification > >>>>> here. > >>>>> > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > which > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > >> One who > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > >> can be > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > not going > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > >>>>> > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > for > >> Sani > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > Karkataka > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > and > >> hence > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > partial > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > Mithuna > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > yogakaraka > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > > karaka > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it > > is > >> true > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > planet, > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > delivering > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > the > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > test this > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > >> dependence > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > >>>>> > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > but that > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > >> they are > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > where the > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > conclusions > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > benefic, > >> they > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > understanding on > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > predictions. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > plays a > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > should pay > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > have this > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> <%40>, > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > me to > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > Ta Lagna > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > and > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > for Cn > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>> Anna > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > >>>>>> Satyaji, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Satish > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > >>>>>>> when Rahu > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > >>>>>>> then it becomes > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > >>>>>>> request you please > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > >>>>>>> astrologer. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > >>>>>>> consider my wise > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________ > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > >>>>> vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. > >>>>>> http://autos./green_center/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Sri Anna, Thanks for the feedback and your valuable inputs. Satya S Kolachina , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > > Excellent post! > I'd like to give an example of Ju in transit. > You said:blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > necessarily true. > That's absolutely right. I always laugh when somebody tells me that > Ju transit over my /Cancer/ Lagna will be 'great', and many did say that during Ju tr. Cn. Although proven big benefic for me/Ju in 9th, good in Navamsa, aspects,etc/ Ju tr Lagna has never been good for my health! > Worse than Saturn, for sure. As soon as it moves away from lagna, I start enjoying benefits of Ju fully! Sure it's moolatrikona is in my sixth H. > To be even more specific, I would say that other significations of Ju don't suffer during it's transit over lagna-just health. Not 100% benefic, indeed, but does it not hold true for all planets? > Regards, > Anna > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out > and left it there. > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on astrology. > > How planets deliver their results? > - > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result of > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. It > should be noted > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > natural > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It is > true > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards > the > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost most > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective shield > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is losing > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other hand, > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing such > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > necessarily > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they lose > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they may > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa and > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER PLANETS > that are > associated with them; there are several rules described in astrology > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget this > fact > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope and > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when > in association > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in its > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) would > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the natives. > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean > both > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the > trap > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > Public and Private Predictions. > ------------------------------- > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for weaknesses > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing > these subtle points in astrology. > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > tendency is to > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are actually > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is the > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > private predictions > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality > agreement > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a confidentiality > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > interested > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is for > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the members > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is not > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a > beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; a > circastic > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who > write, it is > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when we > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their horoscope, > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd also > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses in > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly bless > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success rate. > > More in another post later... > > Best regards, > Satya Sai KOlachina > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > community. > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings are > done > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- wishers > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every > one's > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No one > born > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > Therefore > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your Sani > or > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then I > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > underlying > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya or > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles > (I am > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that > person > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I just > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. ONE > WHO > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT > TO BE > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, > but > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that we, > as > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > planets > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > argue > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > Therefore, as > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing from > the > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the charts. > Sri > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy > with > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would > give > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed by > the > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true astrologer. > We > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > >> > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > >> > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > publicly > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that > Shri > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > then he > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > > opinion > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - > which > > >> was very correct). > > >> > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; > > > and > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > >> > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > > effects > > >> - like many other factors. > > >> > > >> regards / Prafulla > > >> > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > >>> > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and > > > thereby > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that > > > you > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have > > > advised > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > >>> > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects > > > them to > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It > > > is the > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > antidote > > >> of an > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > immensely. > > >>> > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been > > >> expressed > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > > >> people pounce > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > >>> > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > > >> certainly, I > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > >>> Bharat > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > >>>> > > >>>> If I may add: > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > groups: > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > malefic > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / > > > ketu > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > gives as > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur > > > planet. > > >>>> > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > > and > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar > > > has > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > lagna - > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > another > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > > ways (so > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > results > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern > > > use of > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > >>>> > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > associated with > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > > lanet - > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive > > > in all > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > specific > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > planet > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > > harm > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > > again > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > complimenting > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > shadbala, > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated > > > with it > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > >>>> > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as > > > those > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > >>>> > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > gives > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka > > > lagna > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga > > > karka. > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > placement > > >>>> for leo native. > > >>>> > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > are > > >>>> considered shubha. > > >>>> > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > approach > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > results > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > >>>> > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > >>>> > > >>>> <% > > > 40>, > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > >>>> > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > feeling > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > have been > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > > is > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal > > > basis, > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > > who are > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > know we > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > without > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > divine > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > clarification > > >>>>> here. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > which > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? > > >> One who > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same > > >> can be > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > not going > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > > for > > >> Sani > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > Karkataka > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > > and > > >> hence > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > partial > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > Mithuna > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > yogakaraka > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga > > > karaka > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it > > > is > > >> true > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > planet, > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > delivering > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > the > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > test this > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > >> dependence > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > > but that > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > >> they are > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > where the > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > conclusions > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > benefic, > > >> they > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > understanding on > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > predictions. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > plays a > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > should pay > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > have this > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >> <%40>, > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > > me to > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > Ta Lagna > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > and > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > > for Cn > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > >>>>>> Anna > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Satish > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > >>>>>>> request you please > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ________ > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > >>>>> vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Sri Atma Gnan, I understand your view point, and respect your opinion. I was expressing that as long as the discussion is academic with pointers to real scenarios (however without targeting individuals), then it will be a healthy debate. Also I was hinting to say that dasas should be analyzed considering the multiple influences on planets. THis reminds me of something Sri KN Rao used to say in his articles - If we pay key attention, we should be able to see that a pattern emerges from the inter-planetary influences. To this I will add my observation that 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas go in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in any maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa to start. This concept is known as seeding. Earlier maha dasas (in conjunction with the appropriate antardasa lord) will plant the seed for the native to reap the results from a future maha dasa. Again this leads us to the fact that destiny drives us. In sanskrit it is called - Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini - means Buddhi (intelligence) works according to the way our karma has to deliver its results. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Satyaji > > I think most members posting here do whilst making the implicit > assumption that an array of factors must be taken into account when > interpreting a chart. Therefore there will naturally be factors that > others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated in > the interpretation/contribution. > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis > tailored for discussion. > Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to be > of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation. > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis. > You may also have noticed that such a focussed approach allows for a > more involved/extended/interesting discussion with wider > participation, probably because it enables sharing of experiences and > knowledge related to specific combos, especially for learners and > experienced types alike. It is also more time-efficient and doesn't > impel one to type lengthy posts that generally drift from the point. > After all, it is said that acquiring a thorough understanding of the > 9 planets, their nature and various significations can take several > life times in itself. > > The maturity of immaturity of members is irrelevant if your objective > of forum participation is clear and you have a person brave and > willing to provide a case study chart. It is clear that many have > benefited from the discussions on Bhaskarji's chart which has > indirectly stimulated your thought process too! > > Thank you for the interesting points. > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out > > and left it there. > > > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on > astrology. > > > > How planets deliver their results? > > - > > > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result > of > > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior > > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. > It > > should be noted > > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The > > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > > natural > > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to > > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga > > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It > is > > true > > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during > > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards > > the > > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost > most > > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective > shield > > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is > losing > > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other > hand, > > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing > such > > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > > necessarily > > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they > lose > > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they > may > > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is > > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa > and > > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER > PLANETS > > that are > > associated with them; there are several rules described in > astrology > > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget > this > > fact > > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter > > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope > and > > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found > > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when > > in association > > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in > its > > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, > > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) > would > > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering > > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the > natives. > > > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean > > both > > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic > > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the > > trap > > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > > > > > Public and Private Predictions. > > ------------------------------- > > > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every > > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as > > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for > weaknesses > > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing > > these subtle points in astrology. > > > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > > tendency is to > > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are > actually > > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is > the > > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not > > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > > private predictions > > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality > > agreement > > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a > confidentiality > > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump > > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > > interested > > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is > for > > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the > members > > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is > not > > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a > > beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; > a > > circastic > > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who > > write, it is > > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when > we > > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their > horoscope, > > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd > also > > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses > in > > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in > > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly > bless > > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success > rate. > > > > > > More in another post later... > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai KOlachina > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where > > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > > community. > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings > are > > done > > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- > wishers > > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every > > one's > > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No > one > > born > > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > > Therefore > > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your > Sani > > or > > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then > I > > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > > underlying > > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya > or > > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles > > (I am > > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that > > person > > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I > just > > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. > ONE > > WHO > > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT > > TO BE > > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, > > but > > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that > we, > > as > > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > > planets > > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > > argue > > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > > Therefore, as > > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing > from > > the > > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the > charts. > > Sri > > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy > > with > > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would > > give > > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed > by > > the > > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true > astrologer. > > We > > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > > >> > > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > > >> > > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > > publicly > > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - > that > > Shri > > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > > then he > > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > > > opinion > > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - > > which > > > >> was very correct). > > > >> > > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / > ashubha; > > > > and > > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > > >> > > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > > > effects > > > >> - like many other factors. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla > > > >> > > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > > >>> > > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra > and > > > > thereby > > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga > that > > > > you > > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I > have > > > > advised > > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > > >>> > > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which > connects > > > > them to > > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. > It > > > > is the > > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > > antidote > > > >> of an > > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > > immensely. > > > >>> > > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has > been > > > >> expressed > > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > > > >> people pounce > > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > > >>> > > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > > > >> certainly, I > > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > > >>> Bharat > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If I may add: > > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > groups: > > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > > malefic > > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > rahu / > > > > ketu > > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > > gives as > > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as > krur > > > > planet. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > > > and > > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > Parashar > > > > has > > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > > lagna - > > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > > another > > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > > > ways (so > > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > > results > > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > modern > > > > use of > > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > associated with > > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > > > lanet - > > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > positive > > > > in all > > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > > specific > > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > > planet > > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > > > harm > > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > > > again > > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > complimenting > > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > > shadbala, > > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > associated > > > > with it > > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - > as > > > > those > > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > > gives > > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > karka > > > > lagna > > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > yoga > > > > karka. > > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > placement > > > >>>> for leo native. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > > are > > > >>>> considered shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > > approach > > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > > results > > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <% > > > > 40>, > > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > > feeling > > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > > have been > > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > > > is > > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > personal > > > > basis, > > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > > > who are > > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > > know we > > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > > without > > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > > divine > > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > clarification > > > >>>>> here. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > > which > > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > karaka? > > > >> One who > > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > same > > > >> can be > > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > > not going > > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > > > for > > > >> Sani > > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > > Karkataka > > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, > a > > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > > > and > > > >> hence > > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > > partial > > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > > Mithuna > > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > yogakaraka > > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > yoga > > > > karaka > > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, > it > > > > is > > > >> true > > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > > planet, > > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > delivering > > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > > the > > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > > test this > > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > >> dependence > > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > > > but that > > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > > >> they are > > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > > where the > > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > would > > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > conclusions > > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > benefic, > > > >> they > > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > understanding on > > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > predictions. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > > plays a > > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to > the > > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > > should pay > > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > > have this > > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best regards, > > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >> <%40>, > > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > > > me to > > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > > Ta Lagna > > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > > and > > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > > > for Cn > > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > > >>>>>> Anna > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Satish > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > >>>>>>> request you please > > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ________ > > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > >>>>> vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Satya, Excellent point! I've had that impression but haven't been sure enough to describe it so nicely, as you did: " 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas go in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in any maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa to start. This concept is known as seeding. Thanks a lot for sharing Anna Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: Dear Sri Atma Gnan, I understand your view point, and respect your opinion. I was expressing that as long as the discussion is academic with pointers to real scenarios (however without targeting individuals), then it will be a healthy debate. Also I was hinting to say that dasas should be analyzed considering the multiple influences on planets. THis reminds me of something Sri KN Rao used to say in his articles - If we pay key attention, we should be able to see that a pattern emerges from the inter-planetary influences. To this I will add my observation that 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas go in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in any maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa to start. This concept is known as seeding. Earlier maha dasas (in conjunction with the appropriate antardasa lord) will plant the seed for the native to reap the results from a future maha dasa. Again this leads us to the fact that destiny drives us. In sanskrit it is called - Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini - means Buddhi (intelligence) works according to the way our karma has to deliver its results. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Satyaji > > I think most members posting here do whilst making the implicit > assumption that an array of factors must be taken into account when > interpreting a chart. Therefore there will naturally be factors that > others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated in > the interpretation/contribution. > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis > tailored for discussion. > Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to be > of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation. > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this into > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis. > You may also have noticed that such a focussed approach allows for a > more involved/extended/interesting discussion with wider > participation, probably because it enables sharing of experiences and > knowledge related to specific combos, especially for learners and > experienced types alike. It is also more time-efficient and doesn't > impel one to type lengthy posts that generally drift from the point. > After all, it is said that acquiring a thorough understanding of the > 9 planets, their nature and various significations can take several > life times in itself. > > The maturity of immaturity of members is irrelevant if your objective > of forum participation is clear and you have a person brave and > willing to provide a case study chart. It is clear that many have > benefited from the discussions on Bhaskarji's chart which has > indirectly stimulated your thought process too! > > Thank you for the interesting points. > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out > > and left it there. > > > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on > astrology. > > > > How planets deliver their results? > > - > > > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result > of > > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior > > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. > It > > should be noted > > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The > > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > > natural > > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong to > > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga > > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It > is > > true > > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during > > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards > > the > > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost > most > > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective > shield > > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is > losing > > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other > hand, > > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing > such > > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > > necessarily > > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they > lose > > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they > may > > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is > > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa > and > > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER > PLANETS > > that are > > associated with them; there are several rules described in > astrology > > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget > this > > fact > > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter > > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope > and > > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found > > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when > > in association > > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in > its > > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, > > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) > would > > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering > > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the > natives. > > > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean > > both > > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic > > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the > > trap > > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > > > > > Public and Private Predictions. > > ------------------------------- > > > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every > > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as > > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for > weaknesses > > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing > > these subtle points in astrology. > > > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > > tendency is to > > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are > actually > > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is > the > > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not > > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > > private predictions > > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality > > agreement > > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a > confidentiality > > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump > > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > > interested > > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is > for > > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the > members > > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is > not > > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a > > beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; > a > > circastic > > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who > > write, it is > > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when > we > > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their > horoscope, > > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd > also > > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses > in > > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in > > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly > bless > > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success > rate. > > > > > > More in another post later... > > > > Best regards, > > Satya Sai KOlachina > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where > > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > > community. > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings > are > > done > > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- > wishers > > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every > > one's > > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are > > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past > > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No > one > > born > > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > > Therefore > > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your > Sani > > or > > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then > I > > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the > > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > > underlying > > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya > or > > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles > > (I am > > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that > > person > > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I > just > > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. > ONE > > WHO > > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT > > TO BE > > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, > > but > > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that > we, > > as > > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > > planets > > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > > argue > > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > > Therefore, as > > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing > from > > the > > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the > charts. > > Sri > > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the > > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy > > with > > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever > > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would > > give > > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed > by > > the > > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true > astrologer. > > We > > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > > >> > > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > > >> > > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > > publicly > > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - > that > > Shri > > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > > then he > > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > > > opinion > > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - > > which > > > >> was very correct). > > > >> > > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the > > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / > ashubha; > > > > and > > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > > >> > > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > > > effects > > > >> - like many other factors. > > > >> > > > >> regards / Prafulla > > > >> > > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > > >>> > > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra > and > > > > thereby > > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga > that > > > > you > > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I > have > > > > advised > > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > > >>> > > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which > connects > > > > them to > > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. > It > > > > is the > > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > > antidote > > > >> of an > > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > > immensely. > > > >>> > > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has > been > > > >> expressed > > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as > > > >> people pounce > > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > > >>> > > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > > > >> certainly, I > > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > > >>> Bharat > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If I may add: > > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > groups: > > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > > malefic > > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > rahu / > > > > ketu > > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > > gives as > > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as > krur > > > > planet. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic > > > > and > > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > Parashar > > > > has > > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific > > > > lagna - > > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > > another > > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur > > > > ways (so > > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > > results > > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > modern > > > > use of > > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > >>>> > > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > associated with > > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- > > > > lanet - > > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > positive > > > > in all > > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > > specific > > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so > > > > planet > > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can > > > > harm > > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is > > > > again > > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > complimenting > > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > > shadbala, > > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > associated > > > > with it > > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - > as > > > > those > > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > > gives > > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > karka > > > > lagna > > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > yoga > > > > karka. > > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > placement > > > >>>> for leo native. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their > > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their > > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > > are > > > >>>> considered shubha. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say > > > > approach > > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > > results > > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the > > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <% > > > > 40>, > > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > > feeling > > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > > have been > > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance > > > > is > > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > personal > > > > basis, > > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those > > > > who are > > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I > > > > know we > > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > > without > > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the > > > > divine > > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > clarification > > > >>>>> here. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, > > > > which > > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > karaka? > > > >> One who > > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > same > > > >> can be > > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > > not going > > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, > > > > for > > > >> Sani > > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > > Karkataka > > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, > a > > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house > > > > and > > > >> hence > > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > > partial > > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for > > > > Mithuna > > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > yogakaraka > > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > yoga > > > > karaka > > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, > it > > > > is > > > >> true > > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka > > > > planet, > > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > delivering > > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, > > > > the > > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > > test this > > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > >> dependence > > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; > > > > but that > > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when > > > >> they are > > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen > > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > > where the > > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > would > > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > conclusions > > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > benefic, > > > >> they > > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > understanding on > > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > predictions. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > > plays a > > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to > the > > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > > should pay > > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > > have this > > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best regards, > > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >> <%40>, > > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > > > me to > > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for > > > > Ta Lagna > > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars > > > > and > > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, > > > > for Cn > > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > > >>>>>> Anna > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Satish > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > >>>>>>> request you please > > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ________ > > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative > > > >>>>> vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Satyaji Once again an invalubale contribution. A few years back this list used to consist of such regular contribitions : hopefully it is returning to that level once again. I have also read this before and applied, I think it was elaborated on by Vaughan Paul, but he himself being a student of KN Rao points to the source. This makes profound logical sense, indeed I have seen several charts where the native has spent Moon dasha in 'hibernation', for example, reading, contemplating, domestic, coming to terms with psychological constraints and then at the fag end of Moon dasha begins to come out his shell and begin to apply all the thoughts processes for the better or worse. This would be the practical impact of the energising Mars. This is why dasha sequence is so important, and those that go through Sun-Moon-Mars-Rahu dashas early in life in general experiance considerable transformation. The same concept could be applied to conjunctions, especially when the dashas follow through e.g. for a Mars/Rahu conjunction, and the placement of such a combination subsequently becomes a very important area in the chart. 'Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini' : this reminds of the infamous 'Vinash Kale Vipreet Buddhih' : ones intelligence drives ones to his destruction at the time of a destined destruciton/death. Thank you for the stimulating post. , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear Satya, > Excellent point! I've had that impression but haven't been sure enough to > describe it so nicely, as you did: > > " 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, > what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the > ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I > noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas go > in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one > maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in any > maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa to > start. This concept is known as seeding. > > Thanks a lot for sharing > Anna > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote: > Dear Sri Atma Gnan, > > I understand your view point, and respect your opinion. I was > expressing that as long as the discussion is academic with pointers > to real scenarios (however without targeting individuals), then it > will be a healthy debate. Also I was hinting to say that dasas should > be analyzed considering the multiple influences on planets. > > THis reminds me of something Sri KN Rao used to say in his articles - > If we pay key attention, we should be able to see that a pattern > emerges from the inter-planetary influences. To this I will add my > observation that 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, > what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the > ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I > noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas go > in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one > maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in any > maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa to > start. This concept is known as seeding. Earlier maha dasas (in > conjunction with the appropriate antardasa lord) will plant the seed > for the native to reap the results from a future maha dasa. Again > this leads us to the fact that destiny drives us. In sanskrit it is > called - Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini - means Buddhi (intelligence) works > according to the way our karma has to deliver its results. > > Best regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > Satyaji > > > > I think most members posting here do whilst making the implicit > > assumption that an array of factors must be taken into account when > > interpreting a chart. Therefore there will naturally be factors > that > > others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated in > > the interpretation/contribution. > > > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this > into > > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis > > tailored for discussion. > > Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to > be > > of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation. > > > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other planets > > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this > into > > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being placed > > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis. > > You may also have noticed that such a focussed approach allows for > a > > more involved/extended/interesting discussion with wider > > participation, probably because it enables sharing of experiences > and > > knowledge related to specific combos, especially for learners and > > experienced types alike. It is also more time-efficient and doesn't > > impel one to type lengthy posts that generally drift from the > point. > > After all, it is said that acquiring a thorough understanding of > the > > 9 planets, their nature and various significations can take several > > life times in itself. > > > > The maturity of immaturity of members is irrelevant if your > objective > > of forum participation is clear and you have a person brave and > > willing to provide a case study chart. It is clear that many have > > benefited from the discussions on Bhaskarji's chart which has > > indirectly stimulated your thought process too! > > > > Thank you for the interesting points. > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > > > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > > > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go > out > > > and left it there. > > > > > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on > > astrology. > > > > > > How planets deliver their results? > > > - > > > > > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the > result > > of > > > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's > behavior > > > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. > > It > > > should be noted > > > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > > > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. > The > > > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > > > natural > > > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong > to > > > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become > yoga > > > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It > > is > > > true > > > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or > during > > > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > > > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD > towards > > > the > > > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost > > most > > > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective > > shield > > > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > > > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is > > losing > > > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other > > hand, > > > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > > > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing > > such > > > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > > > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > > > necessarily > > > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they > > lose > > > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they > > may > > > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it is > > > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa > > and > > > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > > > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER > > PLANETS > > > that are > > > associated with them; there are several rules described in > > astrology > > > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > > > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget > > this > > > fact > > > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, > Jupiter > > > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > > > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope > > and > > > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly > found > > > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > > > > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > > > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > > > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, > when > > > in association > > > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in > > its > > > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In > fact, > > > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) > > would > > > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By > delivering > > > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > > > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the > > natives. > > > > > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > > > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > > > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it > mean > > > both > > > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their > malefic > > > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > > > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in > the > > > trap > > > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > > > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > > > > > > > > Public and Private Predictions. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of > every > > > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well > as > > > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for > > weaknesses > > > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > > > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of > knowing > > > these subtle points in astrology. > > > > > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > > > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > > > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > > > tendency is to > > > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > > > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are > > actually > > > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is > > the > > > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > > > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am > not > > > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > > > private predictions > > > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > > > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > > > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the > confidentiality > > > agreement > > > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a > > confidentiality > > > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we > jump > > > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > > > interested > > > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it is > > for > > > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the > > members > > > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is > > not > > > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > > > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes > a > > > beautiful piece of message and at the end > writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; > > a > > > circastic > > > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > > > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > > > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose > who > > > write, it is > > > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But > when > > we > > > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their > > horoscope, > > > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd > > also > > > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some > houses > > in > > > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private > in > > > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly > > bless > > > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success > > rate. > > > > > > > > > More in another post later... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Satya Sai KOlachina > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > > > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - > where > > > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > > > community. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings > > are > > > done > > > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the > > > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- > > wishers > > > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in > every > > > one's > > > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half > are > > > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of > past > > > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No > > one > > > born > > > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > > > Therefore > > > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your > > Sani > > > or > > > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, > then > > I > > > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of > the > > > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > > > underlying > > > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or > Satya > > or > > > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic > principles > > > (I am > > > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), > that > > > person > > > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I > > just > > > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. > > ONE > > > WHO > > > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS > UNFIT > > > TO BE > > > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the > sastras, > > > but > > > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that > > we, > > > as > > > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > > > planets > > > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > > > argue > > > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > > > Therefore, as > > > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing > > from > > > the > > > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the > > charts. > > > Sri > > > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to > the > > > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is > unhappy > > > with > > > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have > ever > > > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions > would > > > give > > > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed > > by > > > the > > > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true > > astrologer. > > > We > > > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > > > >> > > > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > > > >> > > > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > > > publicly > > > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - > > that > > > Shri > > > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > > > then he > > > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal > > > > > opinion > > > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you > did - > > > which > > > > >> was very correct). > > > > >> > > > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to > the > > > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was > > > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / > > ashubha; > > > > > and > > > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > > > >> > > > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding > > > > > effects > > > > >> - like many other factors. > > > > >> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla > > > > >> > > > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu > Astrology " > > > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > > > >>> > > > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's > nakshatra > > and > > > > > thereby > > > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga > > that > > > > > you > > > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I > > have > > > > > advised > > > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which > > connects > > > > > them to > > > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains > afflicted. > > It > > > > > is the > > > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > > > antidote > > > > >> of an > > > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > > > immensely. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has > > been > > > > >> expressed > > > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list > as > > > > >> people pounce > > > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and > > > > >> certainly, I > > > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > > > >>> Bharat > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> If I may add: > > > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > > groups: > > > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and > > > > > malefic > > > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > > rahu / > > > > > ketu > > > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury > > > > > gives as > > > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as > > krur > > > > > planet. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional > malefic > > > > > and > > > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > Parashar > > > > > has > > > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any > specific > > > > > lagna - > > > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with > > > > > another > > > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through > krur > > > > > ways (so > > > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly > > > > > results > > > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > modern > > > > > use of > > > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > > associated with > > > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any > p- > > > > > lanet - > > > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > > positive > > > > > in all > > > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for > > > > > specific > > > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - > so > > > > > planet > > > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus > can > > > > > harm > > > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna > is > > > > > again > > > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > > complimenting > > > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its > > > > > shadbala, > > > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > > associated > > > > > with it > > > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi > dispositors - > > as > > > > > those > > > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > > > gives > > > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and > > karka > > > > > lagna > > > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as > > yoga > > > > > karka. > > > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > > placement > > > > >>>> for leo native. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of > their > > > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But > their > > > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and > lordship > > > are > > > > >>>> considered shubha. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can > say > > > > > approach > > > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional > > > > > results > > > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - > the > > > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> <% > > > > > 40>, > > > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > > > feeling > > > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I > > > > > have been > > > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining > balance > > > > > is > > > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > personal > > > > > basis, > > > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; > those > > > > > who are > > > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave > balanced; I > > > > > know we > > > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, > > > > > without > > > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because > the > > > > > divine > > > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > > clarification > > > > >>>>> here. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier > mail, > > > > > which > > > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > karaka? > > > > >> One who > > > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe > > same > > > > >> can be > > > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am > > > > > not going > > > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga > karaka, > > > > > for > > > > >> Sani > > > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for > > > > > Karkataka > > > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other > lagnas, > > a > > > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic > house > > > > > and > > > > >> hence > > > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its > > > > > partial > > > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example > for > > > > > Mithuna > > > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > > yogakaraka > > > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully > > yoga > > > > > karaka > > > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this > case. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga > karaka, > > it > > > > > is > > > > >> true > > > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga > Karaka > > > > > planet, > > > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > > delivering > > > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in > addition, > > > > > the > > > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who > > > > > test this > > > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole > > > > >> dependence > > > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they > shower; > > > > > but that > > > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent > when > > > > >> they are > > > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically > seen > > > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, > > > > > where the > > > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I > > would > > > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > > conclusions > > > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > > benefic, > > > > >> they > > > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > > understanding on > > > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > > predictions. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope > > > > > plays a > > > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages > to > > the > > > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer > > > > > should pay > > > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do > > > > > have this > > > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Best regards, > > > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >> <%40>, > > > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct > > > > > me to > > > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. > for > > > > > Ta Lagna > > > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that > Rahu/Mars > > > > > and > > > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as > well, > > > > > for Cn > > > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > > > >>>>>> Anna > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Satish > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > >>>>>>> request you please > > > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > ________ > > > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative > > > > >>>>> vehicles. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Satya ji Indeed a thought provoking post. Please read my reply underneath your notes: > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday I > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting it, > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go out > and left it there. > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on astrology. > > How planets deliver their results? > - > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the result of > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's behavior > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic planets. It > should be noted > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. The > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies their > natural > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. [Prafulla] yes - the functional nature of planet has bigger role for the events. If you read SA (of Shri VK Choudhry) - he has expanded it very beautifully for worldly events. > It is wrong to > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become yoga > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. It is > true > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or during > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD towards > the > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost most > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective shield > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is losing > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? [Prafulla] Very true. In any case - as we rate natural malefics as troublesome planets and if they become functional benefic - then native is certainly helped heavily. and If such natural malefic becomes yoga graha then - it carries additional ability to deliver good results. As you have rightly pointed out - the dasha phal has many variants, and planet's lordship is one of the factor - major though. > On the other hand, > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are causing such > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is taking > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > necessarily > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they lose > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, they may > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. [Prafulla] Yes - the natural benefic is not the panacea for all evils. I have seen venus in 7th house tormenting the marriage for taurus lagna. So far - I stick to natural benefic / malefic as krur or somya like attributes; and for events / yoga give absolute reliance on its functional role. I give another example - the Gaj Kesari yoga for the Jupiter / Moon association (kendra / trine / aspects etc). But In my humble opinion - no good yoga will exist - until both the planets are functionally benefic for the native. For Leo lagna - moon / jupiter will not form GK yoga. So many times - we are tempted to interpret the yoga results in dasa / bhukti - without proper assessment of the planets involved (I am not referring to strength of planets for assessment of yoga stength). > Also, it is > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the dasa and > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER PLANETS > that are > associated with them; there are several rules described in astrology > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I have > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget this > fact > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, Jupiter > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For a > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any horoscope and > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly found > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > [Prafulla] The dasha phal is one of the event indicator; and is complex too. If we opt for nakshatra progression - we may find the many variants for the results. Likewise - the planets dasha is heavily dependent upon planet' s strength (including vimshopaka bala) and mutual dispositions / associations. Ashtakvarga, D charts, transits, progression etc are few technique amongst many more, to assess the event fructification. Like wise planet's exchange make the difference; and so it close association of planet for example - shani / sukra in conj is always tricky for saturn or sukra dasa interpretation for their attributes exchange. This can mislead to timing of events, unless analysed properly. > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from different > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, when > in association > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results in its > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In fact, > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a lagna) would > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By delivering > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the natives. > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like that. > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in the > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it mean > both > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their malefic > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. Those > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in the > trap > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa years > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > [Prafulla] Yes - chart rectification need not be the correct approach to fit the event. You have raised an interesting pointer. many of the mutual dashaa are not considered very good, even if both are very well placed and ebnefic. - for example - mercury - rahu, merc - moon, moon - merc, rahu - jup, jup - rahu, rahu - mars etc. > Public and Private Predictions. > ------------------------------- > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of every > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as well as > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for weaknesses > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of knowing > these subtle points in astrology. > [Prafulla] yes - and astrologer may endup bearing the karma phal of wrong predictions. if native is relying on an astrologer for major decision making, then astrologer has to be very cautious. If he is not competent, then he must not attempt chart readings. But if you observe the forum practices ( groups, orkut communities etc) - many astrologers are lacking experience, but they are quick to jump with their predictions - without realizing the " sins " - as pointed out by Shri Sunil John also in another thread. > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal human > tendency is to > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are actually > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this is the > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am not > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about only > private predictions > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of the > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the confidentiality > agreement > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a confidentiality > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we jump > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > interested > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. [Prafulla] But sir - ethics are grossly missing in jyotish forums for past many years. Astrologers tend to post their readings for multiple objectives - including demonstration of their knowledge, in the name of help to the querents. Apart from incompetent readings, many end up discussing confidential information on the public forums as well - which can be misused as well. > One may argue that it is for > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the members > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which is not > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody writes a > beautiful piece of message and at the end writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; a > circastic > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose who > write, it is > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But when we > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their horoscope, > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey shd also > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some houses in > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private in > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets certainly bless > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good success rate. > > [Prafulla] Yes - making fun of anyone's chart is not the correct approach. As rightly pointed out in this thread that - each one of us have weakness in the charts too (rahu / ketu / shani / mars etc in some house or other) - so such astrologers are ending up by joking with the planets and jyotish then. A very dangerous and self destructive trend !! > More in another post later... > [Prafulla] I look forward to read your experiences and views. Kindly continue this thread, as and when time permits you. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / community. ************************************************ > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Satya ji >> >> I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and am > looking forward to next part of your post. >> >> The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - where > internet jyotish literally fails. >> >> regards / Prafulla Gang >> http://www.prafulla.net >> >> Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > community. >> ************************************************ >> >> >>> >>> skolachi >>> Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 >>> >>> Some thoughts about astrology - 1 >>> >>> Dear Sri Prafulla ! >>> You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological readings are > done >>> privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in the >>> presence of his family members like parents or other well-wishers >>> whereever appropriate. >>> >>> We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in every > one's >>> chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half are >>> malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of past >>> lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. No one > born >>> on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > Therefore >>> it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and say 'Your Sani > or >>> Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, then I >>> don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of the >>> particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > underlying >>> principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or Satya or >>> Prafulla. >>> >>> If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic principles > (I am >>> not even talking about the core principles of astrology), that > person >>> is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; I just >>> welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is truth. ONE > WHO >>> CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS UNFIT > TO BE >>> AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the sastras, > but >>> his predictive results will be poor. >>> >>> For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is that we, > as >>> astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > planets >>> are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One may > argue >>> for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > Therefore, as >>> astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing from > the >>> PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the charts. > Sri >>> KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of >>> connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to the >>> astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true >>> astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is unhappy > with >>> us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have ever >>> realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions would > give >>> stunning results? Because, he would have been so much blessed by > the >>> planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true astrologer. > We >>> can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. >>> >>> I will continue in next post ... >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Satya Sai Kolachina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Bharat ji >>>> >>>> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. >>>> >>>> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - writing > publicly >>>> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - that > Shri >>>> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition and > then he >>>> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any personal >>> opinion >>>> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you did - > which >>>> was very correct). >>>> >>>> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to the >>>> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion was >>>> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / ashubha; >>> and >>>> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. >>>> >>>> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have overriding >>> effects >>>> - like many other factors. >>>> >>>> regards / Prafulla >>>> >>>> , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " >>>> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya >>>>> >>>>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's nakshatra and >>> thereby >>>>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja yoga that >>> you >>>>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. I have >>> advised >>>>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri >>>> Vishnusahastranama and >>>>> Ram Raksha Stotra. >>>>> >>>>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which connects >>> them to >>>>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains afflicted. It >>> is the >>>>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the >>> antidote >>>> of an >>>>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him >>> immensely. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same has been >>>> expressed >>>>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the list as >>>> people pounce >>>>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. >>>>> >>>>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart and >>>> certainly, I >>>>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and Regards >>>>> Bharat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> If I may add: >>>>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two >>> groups: >>>>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic and >>> malefic >>>>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / rahu / >>> ketu >>>>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc (mercury >>> gives as >>>>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu as krur >>> planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional malefic >>> and >>>>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage Parashar >>> has >>>>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any specific >>> lagna - >>>>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona with >>> another >>>>>> yoga graha as shubha. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through krur >>> ways (so >>>>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for worldly >>> results >>>>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say modern >>> use of >>>>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . >>>>>> >>>>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if >>> associated with >>>>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. Any p- >>> lanet - >>>>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright positive >>> in all >>>>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations for >>> specific >>>>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each bhava ) - so >>> planet >>>>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / venus can >>> harm >>>>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a lagna is >>> again >>>>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / >>> complimenting >>>>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, its >>> shadbala, >>>>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets associated >>> with it >>>>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi dispositors - as >>> those >>>>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha rashi > gives >>>>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo and karka >>> lagna >>>>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu as yoga >>> karka. >>>>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent >>> placement >>>>>> for leo native. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of their >>>>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But their >>>>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and lordship > are >>>>>> considered shubha. >>>>>> >>>>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one can say >>> approach >>>>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. Functional >>> results >>>>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - the >>>>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! >>>>>> >>>>>> regards / Prafulla >>>>>> >>>>>> <% >>> 40>, >>>>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " >>>>>> >>>>>> <skolachi@> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Anna, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not >>> feeling >>>>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. I >>> have been >>>>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining balance >>> is >>>>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a personal >>> basis, >>>>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; those >>> who are >>>>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave balanced; I >>> know we >>>>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising balance, >>> without >>>>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; because the >>> divine >>>>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my >>> clarification >>>>>>> here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier mail, >>> which >>>>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga karaka? >>>> One who >>>>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. THe same >>>> can be >>>>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I am >>> not going >>>>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga karaka, >>> for >>>> Sani >>>>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and for >>> Karkataka >>>>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other lagnas, a >>>>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic house >>> and >>>> hence >>>>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses its >>> partial >>>>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For example for >>> Mithuna >>>>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full >>> yogakaraka >>>>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a fully yoga >>> karaka >>>>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga karaka, it >>> is >>>> true >>>>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga Karaka >>> planet, >>>>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of >>> delivering >>>>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in addition, >>> the >>>>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those who >>> test this >>>>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; sole >>>> dependence >>>>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they shower; >>> but that >>>>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent when >>>> they are >>>>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically seen >>>>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both cases, >>> where the >>>>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. I would >>>>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to >>> conclusions >>>>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become >>> benefic, >>>> they >>>>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper >>> understanding on >>>>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in >>> predictions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any horoscope >>> plays a >>>>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages to the >>>>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every astrologer >>> should pay >>>>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us do >>> have this >>>>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> <%40>, >>>>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Satya, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please direct >>> me to >>>>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. for >>> Ta Lagna >>>>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become >>>>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that Rahu/Mars >>> and >>>>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as well, >>> for Cn >>>>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>> Anna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: >>>>>>>> Satyaji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There >>>>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term >>>>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect >>>>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord >>>>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be >>>>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle >>>>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the >>>>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics >>>>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the >>>>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in >>>>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I >>>>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives >>>>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and >>>>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been >>>>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. >>>>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has >>>>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into >>>>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is >>>>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain >>>>>>>> from wasting others time as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Satish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about >>>>>>>>> when Rahu >>>>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with >>>>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka >>>>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, >>>>>>>>> then it becomes >>>>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would >>>>>>>>> request you please >>>>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise >>>>>>>>> astrologer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please >>>>>>>>> consider my wise >>>>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not >>>>>>>>> waste your energy to >>>>>>>>> teach them astrology. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________ >>>>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative >>>>>>> vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. >>>>>>>> http://autos./green_center/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Dear Satya ji It is very true that,dasha lords act as if in relay,and does the necessary ground work.The point i have understood in similar lines is if one is destined to become a 100 metres dash winner,during a particular period,then this has to be preceded by necessary and sufficient practise.The necessary opportunity will be provided by the preceeding period and can be observed from case studies. Regds Pradeep , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Satyaji > > Once again an invalubale contribution. A few years back this list > used to consist of such regular contribitions : hopefully it is > returning to that level once again. > > I have also read this before and applied, I think it was elaborated > on by Vaughan Paul, but he himself being a student of KN Rao points > to the source. > > This makes profound logical sense, indeed I have seen several charts > where the native has spent Moon dasha in 'hibernation', for example, > reading, contemplating, domestic, coming to terms with psychological > constraints and then at the fag end of Moon dasha begins to come out > his shell and begin to apply all the thoughts processes for the > better or worse. This would be the practical impact of the energising > Mars. This is why dasha sequence is so important, and those that go > through Sun-Moon-Mars-Rahu dashas early in life in general experiance > considerable transformation. > > The same concept could be applied to conjunctions, especially when > the dashas follow through e.g. for a Mars/Rahu conjunction, and the > placement of such a combination subsequently becomes a very important > area in the chart. > > 'Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini' : this reminds of the infamous 'Vinash > Kale Vipreet Buddhih' : ones intelligence drives ones to his > destruction at the time of a destined destruciton/death. > > Thank you for the stimulating post. > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satya, > > Excellent point! I've had that impression but haven't been sure > enough to > > describe it so nicely, as you did: > > > > " 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, > > what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the > > ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I > > noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas > go > > in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one > > maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in > any > > maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa > to > > start. This concept is known as seeding. > > > > Thanks a lot for sharing > > Anna > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > Dear Sri Atma Gnan, > > > > I understand your view point, and respect your opinion. I was > > expressing that as long as the discussion is academic with pointers > > to real scenarios (however without targeting individuals), then it > > will be a healthy debate. Also I was hinting to say that dasas > should > > be analyzed considering the multiple influences on planets. > > > > THis reminds me of something Sri KN Rao used to say in his > articles - > > If we pay key attention, we should be able to see that a pattern > > emerges from the inter-planetary influences. To this I will add my > > observation that 'Planets make a seemless connection between dasas, > > what I mean is that the current maha dasa lord will make all the > > ground work necessary for the next maha dasa to give its result; I > > noticed this invariably in almost all cases that I analyze. Dasas > go > > in sequence - what I mean is that there is a nice hand-off of one > > maha dasa to the following. If you observe, the last antardasa in > any > > maha dasa prepares the native almost ready for the next maha dasa > to > > start. This concept is known as seeding. Earlier maha dasas (in > > conjunction with the appropriate antardasa lord) will plant the > seed > > for the native to reap the results from a future maha dasa. Again > > this leads us to the fact that destiny drives us. In sanskrit it is > > called - Buddhih Karmaanu Saarini - means Buddhi (intelligence) > works > > according to the way our karma has to deliver its results. > > > > Best regards, > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Satyaji > > > > > > I think most members posting here do whilst making the implicit > > > assumption that an array of factors must be taken into account > when > > > interpreting a chart. Therefore there will naturally be factors > > that > > > others consider to be of absolute importance that are not stated > in > > > the interpretation/contribution. > > > > > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > > > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other > planets > > > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > > > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this > > into > > > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being > placed > > > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis > > > tailored for discussion. > > > Therefore there will naturally be factors that others consider to > > be > > > of absolute importance that are not stated in the interpretation. > > > > > > This does not mean that such factors have been overlooked (e.g YK > > > only giving results in its dasha - it is obvious that other > planets > > > in association qualify to do so, but some hints/insights can be > > > gained by looking specifically at the YK dasha and blending this > > into > > > the bigger picture): it merely implies that a focus is being > placed > > > on specific configurations, for the sake of an isolatory analysis. > > > You may also have noticed that such a focussed approach allows > for > > a > > > more involved/extended/interesting discussion with wider > > > participation, probably because it enables sharing of experiences > > and > > > knowledge related to specific combos, especially for learners and > > > experienced types alike. It is also more time-efficient and > doesn't > > > impel one to type lengthy posts that generally drift from the > > point. > > > After all, it is said that acquiring a thorough understanding of > > the > > > 9 planets, their nature and various significations can take > several > > > life times in itself. > > > > > > The maturity of immaturity of members is irrelevant if your > > objective > > > of forum participation is clear and you have a person brave and > > > willing to provide a case study chart. It is clear that many have > > > benefited from the discussions on Bhaskarji's chart which has > > > indirectly stimulated your thought process too! > > > > > > Thank you for the interesting points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words and encouraging feedback. Yesterday > I > > > > typed a long message in part 2 of my post, and while posting > it, > > > > something happened and everything I typed was lost. I had to go > > out > > > > and left it there. > > > > > > > > I am now retyping my views in the post 2 of my thoughts on > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > How planets deliver their results? > > > > - > > > > > > > > Every one of us have strengths and weaknesses; which is the > > result > > > of > > > > benefic and malefic influences of planets. An individual's > > behavior > > > > is a composite influence of both the malefic and benefic > planets. > > > It > > > > should be noted > > > > that even natural benefics like Jupiter and Venus also deliver > > > > malefic results, when they are functional malefics for a lagna. > > The > > > > functional maleficence and beneficence of planets modifies > their > > > > natural > > > > maleficence or beneficence character substantially. It is wrong > > to > > > > assume that natural malefics like Mars/Sani, when they become > > yoga > > > > karaka, they give good results only during the dasa/antardasa. > It > > > is > > > > true > > > > that Yoga karaka planet gives YOGA during their periods (or > > during > > > > periods of planets associated with them depending on the actual > > > > disposition in the horoscope); but their ability to be GOOD > > towards > > > > the > > > > native is throughout the life,since as Koanadhipathi, they lost > > > most > > > > of their malefic qualities. In fact, YK planet is a protective > > > shield > > > > in general; however the extent of protection is depenent on its > > > > condition and other afflictions and so on. A bigger benefit is > > > losing > > > > their mealeficence itself; what else is required? On the other > > > hand, > > > > if there are malefic events happening in the native's life, then > > > > we should open our eyes and see if any other planets are > causing > > > such > > > > malefic effects. One blind mistake most astrologers do is > taking > > > > Jupiter as defacto benefic in all the horoscopes. This is not > > > > necessarily > > > > true. A natural benefic planet like Jupiter, and Venus, if they > > > lose > > > > their benefic qualities for any of several possible reasons, > they > > > may > > > > also be causing malefic events in the native's life. Also, it > is > > > > another big mistake that astrologers just concentrate on the > dasa > > > and > > > > antardasa of the planet ONLY. This is not necessarily true many > > > > times. PLANETS DELIVER THEIR RESULTS IN THE PERIODS OF OTHER > > > PLANETS > > > > that are > > > > associated with them; there are several rules described in > > > astrology > > > > to understand when and how planets deliver their results. I > have > > > > noticed many times when astrologers completely ignore or forget > > > this > > > > fact > > > > and hence misreably fail in timing the events. For example, > > Jupiter > > > > does not necessarily deliver its results in its antardasas. For > a > > > > moment if you accept this statement, and go back to any > horoscope > > > and > > > > try to find correlation to this statement, you will certainly > > found > > > > numerous cases where you did not find event timing as expected. > > > > > > > > WHy I am bringing this point now? I see statements from > different > > > > astrologers that 'Your Mars is malefic and hence your Mars dasa > > > > should have been a havoc'. THis is not necessarily true. Mars, > > when > > > > in association > > > > with other malefics, might have delivered the malefic results > in > > > its > > > > dasa. Therefore it does not mean Mars has become malefic. In > > fact, > > > > Mars benefic results (assuming when it is a benefic for a > lagna) > > > would > > > > be delivered in the antardasa of the malefic planet. By > > delivering > > > > some other planets results, this planet should not be termed as > > > > malefic. It is how the planets provide their services to the > > > natives. > > > > > > > > I just gave a simple example. There are numerous rules like > that. > > > > WHen two malefics are united, the antardasa of one of them in > the > > > > maha dasa of the other planet gives excellent results. Does it > > mean > > > > both > > > > of them have become benefic?. No. Be prepared to see their > > malefic > > > > influence in the dasa of some other natural benefic planet. > Those > > > > astrologers who do not realize these interactions, will fall in > > the > > > > trap > > > > of unnecessary birth time corrections, or changing the dasa > years > > > > from 365 to 360 days or vice versa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Public and Private Predictions. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > AN able astrolger can notice the strengths and weaknesses of > > every > > > > horoscope. However, if an astrologer doesn't know subtle as > well > > as > > > > gross rules as discussed above, will mistake strenghts for > > > weaknesses > > > > and vice versa. That is why I said in the beginning 'An able > > > > astrolger ...', assuming that the astrologer is capable of > > knowing > > > > these subtle points in astrology. > > > > > > > > As astrologers, when we really identify the weak points in a > > > > horsocpe, we should bring them to the notice of the native in a > > > > compassionate way, and privately to the person. The normal > human > > > > tendency is to > > > > point fingers at others weaknesses. If, as astrologers, we are > > > > bringing the weaknesses of an individual into public, we are > > > actually > > > > opening the inner secrets of a native's life into public; this > is > > > the > > > > biggest sin an astrolger would do towards a native who kept > > > > confidence in the astrologer when he approached him. Here I am > > not > > > > talking about mundane astrology matters. I am talking about > only > > > > private predictions > > > > of individuals. When we make one's own personal weak points to > > > > public, it means we are giving an upper hand to the critcs of > the > > > > native and doing sheer injustice, by violating the > > confidentiality > > > > agreement > > > > we establish with the planets (I consider that such a > > > confidentiality > > > > agreement with planet automatically establishes the moment we > > jump > > > > into astrology practice). It is for the same reason I am least > > > > interested > > > > to make predictions in Jyothish groups. One may argue that it > is > > > for > > > > educational/academic reasons. That is true only when all the > > > members > > > > of the group are of an acceptable level of maturity, but which > is > > > not > > > > the case as we notice by the kind of 'Your Mars/Your Rahu/Your > > > > Saturn' statemetns floating around in the groups. Somebody > writes > > a > > > > beautiful piece of message and at the end > > writes " ha..ha...ha... " ; > > > a > > > > circastic > > > > laugh towards a fellow astrolger in the group. When such is the > > > > maturity level of some people in the group, it is certainly not > > > > appropriate to write personal predictions in the groups. THose > > who > > > > write, it is > > > > their choice - I am no one to prevent them from doing so. But > > when > > > we > > > > discuss someone else's weak points in public through their > > > horoscope, > > > > we shd certainly make note of the karma we are doing so. THey > shd > > > also > > > > note that the same Sani or Rahu or Mars is influencing some > > houses > > > in > > > > their horoscope also. When the predictions are given in private > > in > > > > objective manner, with compassionate approach, planets > certainly > > > bless > > > > the astrologer and give him/her strength to achieve good > success > > > rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > More in another post later... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Satya Sai KOlachina > > > > > > > > , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satya ji > > > > > > > > > > I must take privilege in reading such wonderful thoughts and > am > > > > looking forward to next part of your post. > > > > > > > > > > The " blessing of Planet " part of the mail is real pointer - > > where > > > > internet jyotish literally fails. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > > > > > Diplomacy - n. the patriotic act of lying for one's country / > > > > community. > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > skolachi@ > > > > > > Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:57:52 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Some thoughts about astrology - 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Prafulla ! > > > > > > You said the right way. Traditionally, astrological > readings > > > are > > > > done > > > > > > privately, to the person who wanted it, or at the most, in > the > > > > > > presence of his family members like parents or other well- > > > wishers > > > > > > whereever appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not forget there are 9 planets and 12 houses in > > every > > > > one's > > > > > > chart; and only half of them are benefic and the other half > > are > > > > > > malefic. The benefic ones deliver the good karma results of > > past > > > > > > lives and the malefic ones deliver the bad karma results. > No > > > one > > > > born > > > > > > on the earth can escape from these 9 planets and 12 houses. > > > > Therefore > > > > > > it is highly ridiculous to point out at others and > say 'Your > > > Sani > > > > or > > > > > > Your Mars...'. When I hear comments from people like this, > > then > > > I > > > > > > don't know how to estimate the maturity/immaturity level of > > the > > > > > > particular astrologer, and when he/she would realize the > > > > underlying > > > > > > principle of astrology. Sani doesn't belong to Bhaskar or > > Satya > > > or > > > > > > Prafulla. > > > > > > > > > > > > If an astrologer doesn't recognize these basic-basic > > principles > > > > (I am > > > > > > not even talking about the core principles of astrology), > > that > > > > person > > > > > > is unfit as an astrologery. One may argue against my views; > I > > > just > > > > > > welcome those views and ignore them; because truth is > truth. > > > ONE > > > > WHO > > > > > > CANNOT UNDERSTNAD THESE SUBTLE BEHAVIORAL REQUIREMENTS IS > > UNFIT > > > > TO BE > > > > > > AN ASTROLOGER, though he may be well-versed in all the > > sastras, > > > > but > > > > > > his predictive results will be poor. > > > > > > > > > > > > For us to give predictions, the most necessary thing is > that > > > we, > > > > as > > > > > > astrologers, should first be blessed by the PLANETS. If the > > > > planets > > > > > > are not happy with us, our predictions will go wrong. One > may > > > > argue > > > > > > for 10 yrs on the Internet groups; but nothing happens. > > > > Therefore, as > > > > > > astrologers it is our PRIME responsibility to seek blessing > > > from > > > > the > > > > > > PLANETS to tell the truth about their dispositions in the > > > charts. > > > > Sri > > > > > > KN Rao says on occassion, that when we achieve that level of > > > > > > connection with the planets, the planets literally speak to > > the > > > > > > astrologer and tell the story about the native. That is true > > > > > > astrology. Not dependence on books alone. If Sauturn is > > unhappy > > > > with > > > > > > us, how can he let us see his influence on the charts? Have > > ever > > > > > > realized that some very obscure astrologers' predictions > > would > > > > give > > > > > > stunning results? Because, he would have been so much > blessed > > > by > > > > the > > > > > > planets. He who is blessed by the planets is the true > > > astrologer. > > > > We > > > > > > can lay down rules for how to get blessed by the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will continue in next post ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Bharat ji > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Many thanks for sharing your opinion. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I am personally not comfortable in any astrologer - > writing > > > > publicly > > > > > >> on anyone's chart (unless asked). I could see distinctly - > > > that > > > > Shri > > > > > >> Bhaskar ji asked forum's view only on mercury afflcition > and > > > > then he > > > > > >> asked Shri Sateesh to interpret Vimsamsa chart. Any > personal > > > > > > opinion > > > > > >> could have been posted privately to Bhaskar ji (like you > > did - > > > > which > > > > > >> was very correct). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Shri Satya's explanation on mars / rahu was in response to > > the > > > > > >> unwanted interpretation post of Shri Satessh. My opinion > was > > > > > >> restricted to differentiation of krur/somya and shubha / > > > ashubha; > > > > > > and > > > > > >> role of mars / rahu in leo nativity. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Of course - the constellation dispositor will have > overriding > > > > > > effects > > > > > >> - like many other factors. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla > > > > > >> > > > > > >> , " Bharat - Hindu > > Astrology " > > > > > >> <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Namaste Sri Prafulla and Sri Satya > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> In Sri Bhaskar's case, Rahu and Mars are in Ketu's > > nakshatra > > > and > > > > > > thereby > > > > > >>> connected to the 7th house. Despite the classical Raja > yoga > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > >>> mention, it will have a poor effect on the relationships. > I > > > have > > > > > > advised > > > > > >>> Durga Kavach and Durga Saptshati Japa for him or Sri > > > > > >> Vishnusahastranama and > > > > > >>> Ram Raksha Stotra. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Moreover, Sun and Mercury are in Rahu's nakshatra which > > > connects > > > > > > them to > > > > > >>> Lagna. The lagna is strengthened but Surya remains > > afflicted. > > > It > > > > > > is the > > > > > >>> Mercury that can break the illusion of Rahu. Viveka is the > > > > > > antidote > > > > > >> of an > > > > > >>> illusion. This is the reason the above Japas will help him > > > > > > immensely. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I wouldn't call Rahu as a benefic in his case. The same > has > > > been > > > > > >> expressed > > > > > >>> directly to him. I did not want to say all this on the > list > > as > > > > > >> people pounce > > > > > >>> upon him knowing his weakness to react. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> If you see there are some good combinations in his chart > and > > > > > >> certainly, I > > > > > >>> wouldn't call his Mercury Afflicted. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thanks and Regards > > > > > >>> Bharat > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On 7/14/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Dear Shri Satya ji, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> If I may add: > > > > > >>>> Sage Parashar (and classics) has defined planets into two > > > > > > groups: > > > > > >>>> a. krur and somya planets (what we call natural benefic > and > > > > > > malefic > > > > > >>>> planets) for example - weak moon / sun / mars / shani / > > > rahu / > > > > > > ketu > > > > > >>>> etc as krur planets; guru, strong moon, venus etc > (mercury > > > > > > gives as > > > > > >>>> per its association). Many classics are silent on Ketu > as > > > krur > > > > > > planet. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> b. shubh / ashubh planets (what we call as functional > > malefic > > > > > > and > > > > > >>>> benefic) - and it is based upon respective lagna. Sage > > > Parashar > > > > > > has > > > > > >>>> not defined rahu / ketu as ashubha or shubha for any > > specific > > > > > > lagna - > > > > > >>>> but has linked that to its placement in kona / trikona > with > > > > > > another > > > > > >>>> yoga graha as shubha. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> IMO - the krur planet primarily means to deliver through > > krur > > > > > > ways (so > > > > > >>>> karmic effects have some negative issues) - but for > worldly > > > > > > results > > > > > >>>> (what we always refer in our day to day astrology or say > > > modern > > > > > > use of > > > > > >>>> astrology) - we look at functional " results " . > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> For Leo lagna - mars is yoga graha and rahu / ketu if > > > > > > associated with > > > > > >>>> mars in kendra / trikona will give yogakarka results. > Any > > p- > > > > > > lanet - > > > > > >>>> when hailed as yoga karka - may still not be outright > > > positive > > > > > > in all > > > > > >>>> spheres - but it has role for the houses / associations > for > > > > > > specific > > > > > >>>> lagna (And also the relative placement from each > bhava ) - > > so > > > > > > planet > > > > > >>>> has multiple results. Even somya planet like guru / > venus > > can > > > > > > harm > > > > > >>>> (ashubha) or a krur planet can be shubha. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Now any planet's natural or functional status for a > lagna > > is > > > > > > again > > > > > >>>> not a conclusive factor - but there are overriding / > > > > > > complimenting > > > > > >>>> factors - like its avastha, its dispositor's strength, > its > > > > > > shadbala, > > > > > >>>> its participation in yoga, its ashtakvarga, planets > > > associated > > > > > > with it > > > > > >>>> through aspects / conj, D charts positions and so on.. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> In addition - Rahu / ketu works per their rasi > > dispositors - > > > as > > > > > > those > > > > > >>>> rasi dispositors work as Karmic Controlling Planet. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Generally speaking - rahu in simha / dhanu and mesha > rashi > > > > gives > > > > > >>>> excellent results (subject to other factors); for leo > and > > > karka > > > > > > lagna > > > > > >>>> - mars association with rahu / ketu makes rahu and ketu > as > > > yoga > > > > > > karka. > > > > > >>>> Mars placed in its best friend Sun's sign is an excellent > > > > > > placement > > > > > >>>> for leo native. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mars, rahu, ketu remains krur planet - irrespective of > > their > > > > > >>>> functional role; and so are saturn for tula native. But > > their > > > > > >>>> functional " results " for their house occupation and > > lordship > > > > are > > > > > >>>> considered shubha. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> perhaps - krur and somya are nature of planets or one > can > > say > > > > > > approach > > > > > >>>> of the planet - in terms of " means " of its role. > Functional > > > > > > results > > > > > >>>> are end outcome. In this discusion - we were discussing - > > > the > > > > > >>>> functional results of mars and rahu !! > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> regards / Prafulla > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> <% > > > > > > 40>, > > > > > >>>> " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Dear Anna, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> The way discussions are going on in this forum, I am not > > > > > > feeling > > > > > >>>>> encouraged to share my views/experiences in this forum. > I > > > > > > have been > > > > > >>>>> noticing day-by-day the number of people maintaining > > balance > > > > > > is > > > > > >>>>> reducing, and people start targetting on others on a > > > personal > > > > > > basis, > > > > > >>>>> which is not an acceptable quality for an astrologer; > > those > > > > > > who are > > > > > >>>>> supposed to guide others, are expected to behave > > balanced; I > > > > > > know we > > > > > >>>>> are all humans; but still I insist on exercising > balance, > > > > > > without > > > > > >>>>> which there is no point in astrology discussion; > because > > the > > > > > > divine > > > > > >>>>> blessing will not be there for such discussion. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> However, since I mentioned this point, I will give my > > > > > > clarification > > > > > >>>>> here. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> There are only six lagnas as I mentioned in my earlier > > mail, > > > > > > which > > > > > >>>>> have perfect yoga karaka. First of all what is a yoga > > > karaka? > > > > > >> One who > > > > > >>>>> is the lord of kona and kendra with resepct to lagna. > THe > > > same > > > > > >> can be > > > > > >>>>> analyzed from Chandra lagna and Surya lagna also, but I > am > > > > > > not going > > > > > >>>>> to deviate into that direction at this time. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> For Sukra lagnas Tula and Vrishabha Sani is the yoga > > karaka, > > > > > > for > > > > > >> Sani > > > > > >>>>> lagnas Makara and Kumbha Sukra is the yoga karaka, and > for > > > > > > Karkataka > > > > > >>>>> and Simha Kuja/Mangal is the yoga karaka. For other > > lagnas, > > > a > > > > > >>>>> Konadhipathi is simultaneously the owner of a malefic > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > >> hence > > > > > >>>>> is not a PERFECT yogakarka, in the sense that it loses > its > > > > > > partial > > > > > >>>>> beneficence and aquires partial maleficence. For > example > > for > > > > > > Mithuna > > > > > >>>>> lagna, Sukra is 5th and 12th lord, not granted a full > > > > > > yogakaraka > > > > > >>>>> status, and Sani is 8th and 9th lord not granted a > fully > > > yoga > > > > > > karaka > > > > > >>>>> status; only the lagna lord is the yoga karaka in this > > case. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Now, coming to Rahu or Kethu association with yoga > > karaka, > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > >> true > > > > > >>>>> that when Rahu or Kethu gets associated with the Yoga > > Karaka > > > > > > planet, > > > > > >>>>> then the particular node will take the responsibility of > > > > > > delivering > > > > > >>>>> the yoga karaka results in its dasa/antardasa; in > > addition, > > > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> maleficence of the node is greatly reduced; only those > who > > > > > > test this > > > > > >>>>> principle on several charts can confidently say this; > sole > > > > > >> dependence > > > > > >>>>> on books/theory does not give confidence to say so. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> No doubt, Rahu and kethu have maleficence that they > > shower; > > > > > > but that > > > > > >>>>> maleficence is changed to beneficence to a large extent > > when > > > > > >> they are > > > > > >>>>> associated with yoga karaka planet. I have practically > > seen > > > > > >>>>> horoscopes and the respective individuals, in both > cases, > > > > > > where the > > > > > >>>>> nodes give malefic results or extreme benefic results. > I > > > would > > > > > >>>>> honestly and earnestly request members not to jump to > > > > > > conclusions > > > > > >>>>> based on the fact that they are nodes. When they become > > > > > > benefic, > > > > > >> they > > > > > >>>>> shower extreme benefic results. Not having a proper > > > > > > understanding on > > > > > >>>>> the nodes will lead us to make terrrible mistakes in > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Sri KN Rao says that the Rahu-Kethu axis in any > horoscope > > > > > > plays a > > > > > >>>>> very important role and conveys several hidden messages > > to > > > the > > > > > >>>>> astrologers. I would therefore add, that every > astrologer > > > > > > should pay > > > > > >>>>> proper attention to this Rahu Kethu axis; and all of us > do > > > > > > have this > > > > > >>>>> axis covering some area of our life; no exception. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Best regards, > > > > > >>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> <%40>, > > > > > >>>> 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Satya, > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> I am very intrigued by your post, would you please > direct > > > > > > me to > > > > > >>>>> the article you are refferring to? For ex. rayaYoga pl. > > for > > > > > > Ta Lagna > > > > > >>>>> is Sa- does any contact between Rahu and Saturn become > > > > > >>>>> positive /conj.,square or trine/? I've learnt that > > Rahu/Mars > > > > > > and > > > > > >>>>> Rahu/Sa bring Sarpa yoga, of sort. Mars trine Rahu as > > well, > > > > > > for Cn > > > > > >>>>> Lagna. In mutual kendra as well. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Best wishes, > > > > > >>>>>> Anna > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> Satyaji, > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Rahu in kedra with kona lord becomes a rajayoga. There > > > > > >>>>>> is no doubt about it. But rahu is a malefic. The term > > > > > >>>>>> malefic is in its truest sense a planets that affect > > > > > >>>>>> health and longevity. So rahu in kendra with kona lord > > > > > >>>>>> is a rajayoga but rajayoga does not mean it would be > > > > > >>>>>> great in all areas of life. Thas the subtle > > > > > >>>>>> difference. Rahu and mangal in a house will harm the > > > > > >>>>>> living indications of that house. So lets say malefics > > > > > >>>>>> and rajayoga planets are in 4th house it may give the > > > > > >>>>>> native good properties but will affect the mother in > > > > > >>>>>> adverse way. Thats the point I am making here. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> I am not making fun of anyone's horoscope, in fact I > > > > > >>>>>> have no interest whatsoever in the said natives > > > > > >>>>>> horoscope. He is chiding everyone and sundry time and > > > > > >>>>>> again and such childish and immature behavior has been > > > > > >>>>>> going on for long and its best nipped in the bud. > > > > > >>>>>> Besides arguments( Not debates) and agitation what has > > > > > >>>>>> this individual done on the list. Go back into > > > > > >>>>>> archives and check. Its just a nuisance. No one is > > > > > >>>>>> asking him to waste his time and he should refrain > > > > > >>>>>> from wasting others time as well. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Satish > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Satish, > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> I would suggest you read Sri KN Rao's articles about > > > > > >>>>>>> when Rahu > > > > > >>>>>>> becomes benefic. When Rahu and Ketu associate with > > > > > >>>>>>> the Yoga Karaka > > > > > >>>>>>> for a lagna, and that is also in a Kendra or Kona, > > > > > >>>>>>> then it becomes > > > > > >>>>>>> full benefic and bestows benefic results. I would > > > > > >>>>>>> request you please > > > > > >>>>>>> not make fun of others' horoscopes, as a wise > > > > > >>>>>>> astrologer. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> You are making here an unnecessary attempt. Please > > > > > >>>>>>> consider my wise > > > > > >>>>>>> advise and leave these arguments. Please do not > > > > > >>>>>>> waste your energy to > > > > > >>>>>>> teach them astrology. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Best regards to both of you, > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > ________ > > > > > >>>>>> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative > > > > > >>>>> vehicles. 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