Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Shri Atma Gnan ji, I agree and understand the predictive jyotish. But each one of us live with many constraints - time/energy/passion/priority, professional preoccupations or knowledge. Like many other members - I restrict myself to observational jyotish. I feel that, unless i am sure of my skills as predictor - I may end up playing with the native's life. and that karmic sin scares me. But as I believe - making prediction or observing predictions working (not necessarily telling a native) both are separate karma with different repercussions. But again - as I said many times community members' objective of forum participation do not coincide and it looks like conflict. But no matter how someone perceive them - most conflicts are superficial. These are all based on our mutual perceptions. Me or you may look hostile with each other - but if we meet in person, we may have different experience with each other. So Internet media - where perception rules the veins, communication becomes tricky. What I or many other members know - is not necessarily shared on forum for variety of reasons. People agreeing on any issue may not be the case in reality either. We end up forming opinion from what we write or many times how we perceive / assume. So deception (rahu and mercury ) runs the internet media and internet jyotish. What may look decent - may be harmful or vice versa. If we meet a doctor, who is excellent communicator - but has half knowledge, tell me where we may end up with? The purpose of internet media is beyond communication (unless we want to sacrifice mercury to rahu) and more we drift to packaging and are driven by artificial intelligence (again mercury) - the risk escalates. The more we interact without knowing each other well - we are allowing it to overpower us. We may like to inhale it assuming that our artificial intelligence may deal with it - but then what? If you co relate with mercury / rahu mutual dasha - one may really see the danger area and it is often most ignored ( perceived ambition wrapped in diplomacy) but most often reversal dasha for any native. Now how can jyotish prosper with mercury / rahu as primary force on internet jyotish? Will this unmada (merc / rahu conj) be beneficial may be a tricky issue as well. So unless - we may all believe that, jyotish is ruled by rahu or mercury - internet jyotish or jyotish forums may be setting us for a tricky journey. I hope you do not find my note " very " theoretical this time; but being closely connected to management consulting and IT domain (including internet technologies and Knowledge industry) - my assessment scares me of rahu and mercury's role in internet jyotish. More about this and risks with internet technologies later. many thanks for your patience with my long mail regards / Prafulla , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Prafullaji > > I have no problem with your capabilies in Jyotish - in fact I enjoy > reading your posts. I have never stated that discussions on Jyotish > should be restricted to predictions : there should be a healthy > balance of both, and you have contributed invaluable pieces on the > thoeretical side. > > And the most important question here, in my view, is of the validity > of using houses in d-charts. Thus messages straying from this strand > of Jyotish are indeed diversions. > > Let us all stick to Jyotish. > > Thanks. > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > > > No - your mail did not upset me. I was rather cautious, if my mails > > are upsetting you - so I requested you to ignore them. > > > > Well - Let each member contribute to Jyotish the way - one is > > competent like. I am not competent predictor - so I avoid > predicting. > > I feel, it is better - not to predict - than giving wrong advise. I > > hope, now you do not have problem with my capability. > > > > Your mail is diversion to an important question - which i thought > must > > be answered once for all and onwards, such incidents are not > repeated. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > Apolgies if my suggestion upset you. > > > > > > I value your posts on Jyotish very highly, so the challenge is > being > > > able to predict and then select those that focus on the area of > > > interest (Jyotish) and avoid those that focus on petty playground > > > squabbles. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Shri Atma Gnan ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your " humble " suggestion. You may kindly choose to > ignore > > > > my posts in future, if they bug you. > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > My humble request once again to yuo to quit moral policing, > > > > > especially since you seem to accept that an initial > provocation > > > > > warrants such an extended and prolonged torrent of > abuse/waste of > > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > Tit for tat = a never ending spiral of controversy. Please > > > encourage > > > > > dispute resolution rather than encourage dispute inflamation. > > > > > > > > > > Take care. > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Each one has his own perspective and objectivity of the > forum. > > > and > > > > > > Likewise - each member may have his own approach to deal > with > > > > > > provocation / reaction. But I am seriously raising few > question- > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do not objection come when someone initializes > provocation? > > > Why > > > > > do > > > > > > not members object - when someone's personal chart is > attacked > > > as > > > > > > character assassination? Why two standards on the forum..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently - Pradeep ji provoked Tarun ji by unwanted > comments, > > > but > > > > > when > > > > > > Tarun ji remarked - it is taken as offense. Likewise Raja > ji > > > > > commented > > > > > > badly about Bhaskar ji's parents - but members objected to > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > ji's reaction. Earlier Sreenadh abused (m*****f****r) > Bhaskar > > > ji - > > > > > but > > > > > > members objected to Bhaskar ji's post. On many occasions - > > > rather > > > > > > people provoking were defended. > > > > > > > > > > > > why prejudiced and spineless / politicized approach to > > > community !! > > > > > > and we still call it a jyotish community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Dear Prafullaji, This was an excellent post. Speaks for your wisdom. let me hasten to remind you that Your theory is never objectionable as you never carry the thread unassumingly and tediously more than one can chew. And your theory has some essence for the wise one to grasp, because you talk of experience and not just from books. And we have heard that experience is the best teacher.I have seen your atriculate messages on other Forums too,therefore I know that your theory always carries the predictive part in it, but shielded for the casual observer, but not so for the one with keen and vigilant perception faculties. I am averse to those theory propogators, who are run of the mill kind, with no hard stuff, but yet ranting the same sighs over and over again with nothing to produce in content or quality or in application. Which is why I tried my best to bring in changes to the morose atmosphere which was begunning to develop off late just a fortnight ago. Well I do enjoy reading your mails. regards, bhaskar. , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Atma Gnan ji, > > I agree and understand the predictive jyotish. But each one of us live > with many constraints - time/energy/passion/priority, professional > preoccupations or knowledge. > > Like many other members - I restrict myself to observational jyotish. > I feel that, unless i am sure of my skills as predictor - I may end up > playing with the native's life. and that karmic sin scares me. > > But as I believe - making prediction or observing predictions working > (not necessarily telling a native) both are separate karma with > different repercussions. > > But again - as I said many times community members' objective of forum > participation do not coincide and it looks like conflict. But no > matter how someone perceive them - most conflicts are superficial. > These are all based on our mutual perceptions. > > Me or you may look hostile with each other - but if we meet in person, > we may have different experience with each other. So Internet media - > where perception rules the veins, communication becomes tricky. What I > or many other members know - is not necessarily shared on forum for > variety of reasons. People agreeing on any issue may not be the case > in reality either. We end up forming opinion from what we write or > many times how we perceive / assume. So deception (rahu and mercury ) > runs the internet media and internet jyotish. What may look decent - > may be harmful or vice versa. If we meet a doctor, who is excellent > communicator - but has half knowledge, tell me where we may end up > with? The purpose of internet media is beyond communication (unless we > want to sacrifice mercury to rahu) and more we drift to packaging and > are driven by artificial intelligence (again mercury) - the risk > escalates. The more we interact without knowing each other well - we > are allowing it to overpower us. We may like to inhale it assuming > that our artificial intelligence may deal with it - but then what? If > you co relate with mercury / rahu mutual dasha - one may really see > the danger area and it is often most ignored ( perceived ambition > wrapped in diplomacy) but most often reversal dasha for any native. > > Now how can jyotish prosper with mercury / rahu as primary force on > internet jyotish? Will this unmada (merc / rahu conj) be beneficial > may be a tricky issue as well. > > So unless - we may all believe that, jyotish is ruled by rahu or > mercury - internet jyotish or jyotish forums may be setting us for a > tricky journey. > > I hope you do not find my note " very " theoretical this time; but being > closely connected to management consulting and IT domain (including > internet technologies and Knowledge industry) - my assessment scares > me of rahu and mercury's role in internet jyotish. > > More about this and risks with internet technologies later. > > many thanks for your patience with my long mail > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Prafullaji > > > > I have no problem with your capabilies in Jyotish - in fact I enjoy > > reading your posts. I have never stated that discussions on Jyotish > > should be restricted to predictions : there should be a healthy > > balance of both, and you have contributed invaluable pieces on the > > thoeretical side. > > > > And the most important question here, in my view, is of the validity > > of using houses in d-charts. Thus messages straying from this strand > > of Jyotish are indeed diversions. > > > > Let us all stick to Jyotish. > > > > Thanks. > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atma Gnan ji > > > > > > No - your mail did not upset me. I was rather cautious, if my mails > > > are upsetting you - so I requested you to ignore them. > > > > > > Well - Let each member contribute to Jyotish the way - one is > > > competent like. I am not competent predictor - so I avoid > > predicting. > > > I feel, it is better - not to predict - than giving wrong advise. I > > > hope, now you do not have problem with my capability. > > > > > > Your mail is diversion to an important question - which i thought > > must > > > be answered once for all and onwards, such incidents are not > > repeated. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prafullaji, > > > > > > > > Apolgies if my suggestion upset you. > > > > > > > > I value your posts on Jyotish very highly, so the challenge is > > being > > > > able to predict and then select those that focus on the area of > > > > interest (Jyotish) and avoid those that focus on petty playground > > > > squabbles. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri Atma Gnan ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your " humble " suggestion. You may kindly choose to > > ignore > > > > > my posts in future, if they bug you. > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Prafullaji > > > > > > > > > > > > My humble request once again to yuo to quit moral policing, > > > > > > especially since you seem to accept that an initial > > provocation > > > > > > warrants such an extended and prolonged torrent of > > abuse/waste of > > > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tit for tat = a never ending spiral of controversy. Please > > > > encourage > > > > > > dispute resolution rather than encourage dispute inflamation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each one has his own perspective and objectivity of the > > forum. > > > > and > > > > > > > Likewise - each member may have his own approach to deal > > with > > > > > > > provocation / reaction. But I am seriously raising few > > question- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do not objection come when someone initializes > > provocation? > > > > Why > > > > > > do > > > > > > > not members object - when someone's personal chart is > > attacked > > > > as > > > > > > > character assassination? Why two standards on the forum..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently - Pradeep ji provoked Tarun ji by unwanted > > comments, > > > > but > > > > > > when > > > > > > > Tarun ji remarked - it is taken as offense. Likewise Raja > > ji > > > > > > commented > > > > > > > badly about Bhaskar ji's parents - but members objected to > > > > Bhaskar > > > > > > > ji's reaction. Earlier Sreenadh abused (m*****f****r) > > Bhaskar > > > > ji - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > members objected to Bhaskar ji's post. On many occasions - > > > > rather > > > > > > > people provoking were defended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why prejudiced and spineless / politicized approach to > > > > community !! > > > > > > > and we still call it a jyotish community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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