Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were different from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? Dear Partha, ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the planet. So 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th from the Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL Horoscope. Of course others might have different views''. Chandrashekhar. You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What happened then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can see it then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. Respect Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Pradeep, I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal views on aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient texts the sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only be seen in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. Having read the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see all these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically mentioned and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by sages or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were different > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > Dear Partha, > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the planet. So > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th from the > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL Horoscope. > Of course others might have different views''. > > Chandrashekhar. > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What happened > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can see it > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhr ji There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then while understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from any of the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. This was not your view. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal views on > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient texts the > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only be seen > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. Having read > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see all > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically mentioned > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by sages > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were different > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the planet. So > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th from the > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL Horoscope. > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What happened > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can see it > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Pradeep, Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something like rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then while > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from any of > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > This was not your view. > > Respect > Pradeep > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal views > on > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient > texts the > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only be > seen > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. Having > read > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see all > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > mentioned > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by > sages > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were different > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > planet. So > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th from the > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL Horoscope. > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What > happened > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can see it > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something like > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then while > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from any of > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > This was not your view. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal views > > on > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient > > texts the > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only be > > seen > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. Having > > read > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see all > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > > mentioned > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by > > sages > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were different > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > > planet. So > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th from the > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL Horoscope. > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What > > happened > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can see it > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release Date: > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep, I am glad that you at least accept that there could be specific yogas where in aspects in navamsha are given by the Sage. Having said that I shall tell why I referred to rasi drishti too. I have given the translation as given by R. Santanam, the commentator. But the sage could have also implied that if in all shadvarga lagnas are aspected by a single graha the effects of the raj yoga is full, if it only aspects 3 shadvargas the effects are half and if two, the effects are a quarter. So the reference need not necessarily be to graha drishti. Or even full, three fourths and half strength graha drishti but to full graha drishti. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something > like > > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then while > > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from any > of > > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > > This was not your view. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal > views > > > on > > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient > > > texts the > > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only > be > > > seen > > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. > Having > > > read > > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such > > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see > all > > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > > > mentioned > > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by > > > sages > > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were > different > > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > > > planet. So > > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th > from the > > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL > Horoscope. > > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What > > > happened > > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can > see it > > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release > Date: > > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji I have never accepetd as you have said.If you ask my personal opinion,aspects on lagna drekkana etc are taken by you as examples for aspects in varga chakras.This is your personal opinion and i have no problem. But as per my understanding,sage will not set differential rules. The concerned shloka does not indicate Rashi drishti.Kindly do not mix the two.If it was Rashi drishti,you mean to say Santhanam ws having concerns with Rashi drishti as well. It is Graha drishti as grades are mentioned.You too had accepted it 3 ds back. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I am glad that you at least accept that there could be specific yogas > where in aspects in navamsha are given by the Sage. Having said that I > shall tell why I referred to rasi drishti too. I have given the > translation as given by R. Santanam, the commentator. But the sage could > have also implied that if in all shadvarga lagnas are aspected by a > single graha the effects of the raj yoga is full, if it only aspects 3 > shadvargas the effects are half and if two, the effects are a quarter. > So the reference need not necessarily be to graha drishti. Or even full, > three fourths and half strength graha drishti but to full graha drishti. > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something > > like > > > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then while > > > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from any > > of > > > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > > > This was not your view. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal > > views > > > > on > > > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the ancient > > > > texts the > > > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can only > > be > > > > seen > > > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. > > Having > > > > read > > > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate such > > > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I see > > all > > > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > > > > mentioned > > > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where told by > > > > sages > > > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were > > different > > > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > > > > planet. So > > > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th > > from the > > > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL > > Horoscope. > > > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in 2004.What > > > > happened > > > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can > > see it > > > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release > > Date: > > > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep, I thought we were discussing what the sage was saying and not what Santanam thought. The two are different. I can show you where translation of a shloka by Santanam and Sitaram Jha differed, if you like. So just because Santanam translated a shloka in a particular fashion, it does not mean that it can not have any other meaning and the same holds true of even my opinions. I can not help what is your understanding, but assuming that the Sage could have only meant graha drishti is an assumption and truth could be different than what you perceive. I have quoted what was told by Santanam as you asked for the translation. I also said that it could be partial graha drishti but I am also pointing out another meaning of the shloka. That is the way a vada (scholarly discussions on hindu sciences) on hindu science is conducted. First give differing opinions and then give your own. Or at least that is my understanding. You may have a different interpretation of how the Vada is conducted and you are free to your opinion.. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > I have never accepetd as you have said.If you ask my personal > opinion,aspects on lagna drekkana etc are taken by you as examples > for aspects in varga chakras.This is your personal opinion and i have > no problem. > > But as per my understanding,sage will not set differential rules. > > The concerned shloka does not indicate Rashi drishti.Kindly do not > mix the two.If it was Rashi drishti,you mean to say Santhanam ws > having concerns with Rashi drishti as well. > > It is Graha drishti as grades are mentioned.You too had accepted it 3 > ds back. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I am glad that you at least accept that there could be specific > yogas > > where in aspects in navamsha are given by the Sage. Having said > that I > > shall tell why I referred to rasi drishti too. I have given the > > translation as given by R. Santanam, the commentator. But the sage > could > > have also implied that if in all shadvarga lagnas are aspected by a > > single graha the effects of the raj yoga is full, if it only > aspects 3 > > shadvargas the effects are half and if two, the effects are a > quarter. > > So the reference need not necessarily be to graha drishti. Or even > full, > > three fourths and half strength graha drishti but to full graha > drishti. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something > > > like > > > > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then > while > > > > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from > any > > > of > > > > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > > > > This was not your view. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal > > > views > > > > > on > > > > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the > ancient > > > > > texts the > > > > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can > only > > > be > > > > > seen > > > > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. > > > Having > > > > > read > > > > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate > such > > > > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I > see > > > all > > > > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where > told by > > > > > sages > > > > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were > > > different > > > > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > > > > > planet. So > > > > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th > > > from the > > > > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL > > > Horoscope. > > > > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in > 2004.What > > > > > happened > > > > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can > > > see it > > > > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release > > > Date: > > > > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji The answer for this will come if you give the reason on why you consider graha drishti as non appropriate.\ Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I thought we were discussing what the sage was saying and not what > Santanam thought. The two are different. I can show you where > translation of a shloka by Santanam and Sitaram Jha differed, if you > like. So just because Santanam translated a shloka in a particular > fashion, it does not mean that it can not have any other meaning and the > same holds true of even my opinions. > > I can not help what is your understanding, but assuming that the Sage > could have only meant graha drishti is an assumption and truth could be > different than what you perceive. I have quoted what was told by > Santanam as you asked for the translation. I also said that it could be > partial graha drishti but I am also pointing out another meaning of the > shloka. That is the way a vada (scholarly discussions on hindu sciences) > on hindu science is conducted. First give differing opinions and then > give your own. Or at least that is my understanding. You may have a > different interpretation of how the Vada is conducted and you are free > to your opinion.. > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I have never accepetd as you have said.If you ask my personal > > opinion,aspects on lagna drekkana etc are taken by you as examples > > for aspects in varga chakras.This is your personal opinion and i have > > no problem. > > > > But as per my understanding,sage will not set differential rules. > > > > The concerned shloka does not indicate Rashi drishti.Kindly do not > > mix the two.If it was Rashi drishti,you mean to say Santhanam ws > > having concerns with Rashi drishti as well. > > > > It is Graha drishti as grades are mentioned.You too had accepted it 3 > > ds back. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I am glad that you at least accept that there could be specific > > yogas > > > where in aspects in navamsha are given by the Sage. Having said > > that I > > > shall tell why I referred to rasi drishti too. I have given the > > > translation as given by R. Santanam, the commentator. But the sage > > could > > > have also implied that if in all shadvarga lagnas are aspected by a > > > single graha the effects of the raj yoga is full, if it only > > aspects 3 > > > shadvargas the effects are half and if two, the effects are a > > quarter. > > > So the reference need not necessarily be to graha drishti. Or even > > full, > > > three fourths and half strength graha drishti but to full graha > > drishti. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is something > > > > like > > > > > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then > > while > > > > > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna from > > any > > > > of > > > > > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > > > > > This was not your view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my personal > > > > views > > > > > > on > > > > > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the > > ancient > > > > > > texts the > > > > > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which can > > only > > > > be > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha drishti. > > > > Having > > > > > > read > > > > > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did indicate > > such > > > > > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The way I > > see > > > > all > > > > > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when specifically > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where > > told by > > > > > > sages > > > > > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts were > > > > different > > > > > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied by the > > > > > > planet. So > > > > > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be 5th > > > > from the > > > > > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL > > > > Horoscope. > > > > > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in > > 2004.What > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If you can > > > > see it > > > > > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- ---- > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Dear Pradeep, Let me make two things very clear, I only suggested that the drishtis could also be rasi drishti and not only necessarily only graha drishti of differing strength or otherwise as is being assumed. I shall give my opinion on why graha drishti may be inappropriate in certain charts and not in others, in response to the mail that you sent about my personal opinion. Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > The answer for this will come if you give the reason on why you > consider graha drishti as non appropriate.\ > > Respect > Pradeep > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I thought we were discussing what the sage was saying and not what > > Santanam thought. The two are different. I can show you where > > translation of a shloka by Santanam and Sitaram Jha differed, if > you > > like. So just because Santanam translated a shloka in a particular > > fashion, it does not mean that it can not have any other meaning > and the > > same holds true of even my opinions. > > > > I can not help what is your understanding, but assuming that the > Sage > > could have only meant graha drishti is an assumption and truth > could be > > different than what you perceive. I have quoted what was told by > > Santanam as you asked for the translation. I also said that it > could be > > partial graha drishti but I am also pointing out another meaning of > the > > shloka. That is the way a vada (scholarly discussions on hindu > sciences) > > on hindu science is conducted. First give differing opinions and > then > > give your own. Or at least that is my understanding. You may have a > > different interpretation of how the Vada is conducted and you are > free > > to your opinion.. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I have never accepetd as you have said.If you ask my personal > > > opinion,aspects on lagna drekkana etc are taken by you as examples > > > for aspects in varga chakras.This is your personal opinion and i > have > > > no problem. > > > > > > But as per my understanding,sage will not set differential rules. > > > > > > The concerned shloka does not indicate Rashi drishti.Kindly do not > > > mix the two.If it was Rashi drishti,you mean to say Santhanam ws > > > having concerns with Rashi drishti as well. > > > > > > It is Graha drishti as grades are mentioned.You too had accepted > it 3 > > > ds back. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I am glad that you at least accept that there could be specific > > > yogas > > > > where in aspects in navamsha are given by the Sage. Having said > > > that I > > > > shall tell why I referred to rasi drishti too. I have given the > > > > translation as given by R. Santanam, the commentator. But the > sage > > > could > > > > have also implied that if in all shadvarga lagnas are aspected > by a > > > > single graha the effects of the raj yoga is full, if it only > > > aspects 3 > > > > shadvargas the effects are half and if two, the effects are a > > > quarter. > > > > So the reference need not necessarily be to graha drishti. Or > even > > > full, > > > > three fourths and half strength graha drishti but to full graha > > > drishti. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > Concerned shloka is about Graha drishti. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would they not aspect by rasi drishti, as there is > something > > > > > like > > > > > > rashi tulya when we talk of D-Charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhr ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference.If you think Vargas are charts,then > > > while > > > > > > > understanding lagna shadvrgakes,planet can aspect lagna > from > > > any > > > > > of > > > > > > > the varga charts,thereby making graha drishti a rule. > > > > > > > This was not your view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the same Chandrashekhar. As I said earlier, my > personal > > > > > views > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > aspects in D-Charts have not changed. Only that in the > > > ancient > > > > > > > texts the > > > > > > > > sages have indeed given some positions or yogas which > can > > > only > > > > > be > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > in navamshas or D-Charts and not always with Graha > drishti. > > > > > Having > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > the different texts, I can not deny that they did > indicate > > > such > > > > > > > > position, though I do not personally accept them. The > way I > > > see > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these is to look for aspects in navamshas when > specifically > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > and to look at rasi drishti in other Graha charts, where > > > told by > > > > > > > sages > > > > > > > > or surmised to be so told on account of the yogas given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can i get back my Chandrashekhar ji ,whose thoughts > were > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > from today.How did my Chandrashekhar ji change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''I think Swamsha would mean Navamsha Rasi occupied > by the > > > > > > > planet. So > > > > > > > > > 5th from swamsha would mean that the planet has to be > 5th > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > Rasi in Navamsha occupied by him to be seen in NATAL > > > > > Horoscope. > > > > > > > > > Of course others might have different views''. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see facts as advised by sages in > > > 2004.What > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > then.Can i pray to Lord Shankra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You were able to see them as in NATAL horoscope.If > you can > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > then,can you see the shadvargas of Lagna from Natal > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > ---- > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.17/915 - > Release > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > 7/24/2007 1:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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