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Dear Prafulla

 

well all of RAMAN's works are BPHS demystified for us and if we follow them

we sure get a long distance, he has also used other works but his backbone

is BPHS in all he wrote.

 

of course VARGAS EXIST and only veidic astrology has the gift of diviging

time and sign into so many split levels. each vargas has a unique scope.

in fact some good versions of BPHS tell u by the Lagna in D1-and placement

of the 10th D1 lord in a D10 sign by its mere name what one's profession is

Justice NS Kappor current ICAS president can give u humpteen variations of

BPHS and the one I said is quoted by him a true replacement for RAMAN

[chosen by raman to succeed him just [months] before he died.

 

On 7/25/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji

>

 

 

 

Many thanks for sharing BV Raman's perspective. You being his student

> - so please help in clarifying few issues from BV Raman's perspective:

>

> a. Do Varga Chart exists?- YES THE EXIST AND 60 DARGAS AS BPHS says

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

b. Does combination / yoga exist in Varga chart?-YES the exist as u said in

> point S. ,,,, " only through conjunction of causative planets " whatever

> happens thru a combination in a varga but this can't supersede one in D1 say

> u have a daridra yoga or sakata yoga there and a Dhana yoga or GKY in D10 it

> won't hep what is there in D1 if is there in D10 too will strengthen it.

>

 

c. Does bhava exist in varga chart - e.g. 5th bhava in D7 or 10th

> bhava in D10 etc

>

 

 

 

NO way it is stretching issues too far.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

c. You mentioned afflictions in varga chart - (does imply that varga

> chart exists and bhava also) - so how do we see these afflictions in D

> charts? Should only natural malefic be afflicting or functional

> malefic / benefic be also considered like we see in D1.

> d. for the purpose of afflcitions - do you feel - aspects in D charts

> have role, or only through conjunction of causative planets?

>

 

for all practical purpouses it is natural planets afliction say u have rahu

in 5th in D7 one suffers due to childrenand more girls, in D10 same will

mean he WILL HAVE A unconventional thinking at work may even be adapt in

hacking, pilfering etc creative skills but for unethical use at times this

helps organisations who pay hackers to test their products u need such

people.

if in D6 health can be due to some curse of a pretha u may link it due to

some virus or unknown disease when its time runs.

in Ekadasamsa one will gain thru some unconventional means -other than his

qualified areas.

 

so u can use the aflicted status this way in different vargas like wise if

benefics-natural are placed in good houses good results esp if their

lordships inD1 is also good and gets enhanced here.

for more please read the said September surya Prakash memorial issue 1972/3.

 

best wishes

 

This thread is closed for me for now..I just need clarifications from

> Prashant ji.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Pradeep,

> >

> > broadly what u have posted thru some1s article is the right line, I

> remember

> > BV Raman saying so too, no aspects in vargas it is like tail wagging the

> > dog.

> >

> > if there is no strength in the D1 chart what use is it in vargas?

> >

> > and after seeing the strength in Rasi chart the amount of strength

> has to be

> > ascertained for each subject/point in life thru vargas its supports one

> > another and if it is weak there say in Dasamsa if a planet is weaker

> than

> > the one in Rasi and Navamsa it can't be said to deliver all that may be

> > shining in rasi on the livelihood/profession side.

> >

> > there is a special number September issue of astrological Magazine

> dealing

> > with vargas by many eminent astrologers may be sept 72-73 please

> check has

> > many great works referenced. by luminaries. [surya prakash memorial

> issues

> > are topic centric gems]

> >

> > one tip from it can be easily used here too

> >

> > if rasi 5th lord and house is strong BUT any varga has a afflicted 5th

> > amsaits Poorva punya is aflicted for that varga- weak will have short

> > comings or

> > sufferings say in D1 5th lord is strong and D7 it is afflicted by

> occupation

> > of a malefic CHILDREN related issues suffer

> >

> > sametime if the 5th lord is well placed in D1 and D10 it works much

> better

> > or if an exalted planet or friendly planet occupies 5th amsa HELPS IT

> > BETTER.

> >

> > apply similar rules for other vargas, planets, houses what they

> signify and

> > how the poorva punya of it is will make the difference in its results.

> >

> > SAME with yogas too and one cant expect yogas in vargas to deliver

> when they

> > don't in exist in D1.

> >

> > the tail can't wag the dog....!

> >

> >

> > I HOPE i HAVE SUMMED UP UR QUESTION HERE.

> >

> > BEST WISHES

> >

> > prashant

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/25/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Respected members

> > >

> > > While searching internet to find something else,i could get many new

> > > infos as shared yesterday - Chandrashekhar jis views ,Parthas

> > > views,Freedoms views etc.I will analyze Mr.Parthas views and

> > > Mr.Freedoms views later.

> > >

> > > Most importantly i found a brilliant article written in 2001 by an

> > > elderly gentleman called Kuttikat Chandrabose(of my fathers age)

> > > regarding aspects in ''varga charts''.I request everyone who is

> > > having a scientific inclination to read this.

> > > -------------------------

> > >

> > > Can we justify aspects in varga charts of Vedic Astrology?

> > >

> > > Until now I have not bothered myself to find out whether there are

> > > contradictions in the written literature of Vedic Astrology. The

> > > reason for this nonchalant attitude was the assumption that the

> > > very planets that signify good tidings will also signify bad

> > > indications, depending upon how the planets are linked to the

> > > various matters, the various portfolios of human life.

> > >

> > > So,contradictions become subjective to the native, depending on what

> > > the native considers good or bad. As an example, my father left our

> > > birthplace in India when I was 18 months old. He went to Singapore

> > > (it was pre-world war II times) where he had made his fortune

> > > before he married my mother, and I was born as the first offspring.

> > > He was financially hard up when I was born. He (my father) knew

> > > that he could land his old job in Singapore, where he was well paid.

> > > World war II broke out, Singapore was a favored Japanese strategic

> > > target, all whereabouts of my father along with several of his

> > > friends were all lost without a trace. I have no recollection of my

> > > fathers face or any memories of him.

> > > Those of you dabble in both, Western as well as Eastern astrology,

> > > know that aspects are one issue on which the two systems differ

> > > fundamentally.The reason why I took an example from my birth chart

> > > was to illustrate that an aspect in the birth chart modifies even an

> > > unoccupied zodiac sign, a postulate only Vedic Astrology makes. I

> > > have researched other cases which also seem to substantiate this

> > > dictum.

> > >

> > > Those of you who have access to Goravani Jyothish may cast my chart

> > > for11/04/1936, TOB 1:40: AM, Trichur, India. In my birth chart, five

> > > out of the nine Vedic astrology planets aspect my 9th House,

> > > somewhat of a rare aspectual concentration on a single House. Four

> > > out of the five are malefic planets. The dictum that a glance from

> > > Jupiter will eliminate a thousand evils did not work for me, at

> > > least about my father, because the 5th aspect of the benefic

> > > Jupiter falls on the 9th House too. Looking back on my own life, my

> > > 9th House succumbed to the evil forces it was subjected to, with

> > > respect to the experience I had about my father. But overall, for

> > > myself, the 9th House considered as a House of luck or fortune, I

> > > was rather blessed in the ambitions I had entertained in life

> > > compared to my rather low birth (only financially) surroundings.

> > >

> > > Thus, the science of astrology in fact allows for what are seemingly

> > > apparent contradictions, but these are contradictions resulting from

> > > differences in subjective interpretations, rather than those

> > > inherent in astrological dictums.

> > >

> > > I give my life experience here because it convinces me how aspects to

> > > an empty rasi (unoccupied by any planet) in a birth chart can have

> > > meaningful impacts on those matters in the native's life, signified

> > > by that rasi. However, when I come to aspects in amsa charts (also

> > > called varga charts) in Vedic Astrology, I am a little lost about

> > > its significance in the astrological literature.

> > >

> > > In general, most writings in Vedic Astrology literature allow for the

> > > existence of aspects in amsa charts. If one accepts that aspects both

> > > in Western as well in Eastern Astrology there seems to exist this

> > > acceptance) result from some particular geometrical angular

> > > relationships between planets, then it is difficult to see how in

> > > Parasara designed amsa charts one can meaningfully assign aspects.

> > > When a planet is transplanted from its rasi osition in a birth chart

> > > (where in fact it is there in real time) to another Zodiac House in

> > > an amsa chart, this planet looses its longitudinal identity which

> > > characterized it in the birth chart.

> > >

> > > Varga charts were introduced by Sage Parasara to fine tune the

> > > astrological judgment of certain matters in the native's life. The

> > > Sage declares their function in his book, albeit briefly but in no

> > > uncertain terms, in his introduction to vargavivekadhiaya.

> > > Parasara's justification for the creation of the varga charts is

> > > based on his postulate that planets which have the common lordship

> > > over a rasi, for example Mars over Mesha(Aries) and Vrischika

> > > (Scorpio) are not necessarily the supreme rulers of the various

> > > amsas (fractions) within the thirty degree span of the same rasis.

> > > Thus, while Mars rules the whole of Mesha in general, Mars has some

> > > added rulership-right on the first Navamsha of Mesha(0-3°20')

> > > compared to the rest of 8 Navamshas of Mesha. The remaining 8

> > > Navamshas may be considered to be leased, (figuratively speaking!) by

> > > Mars from other planets, giving him the general rulership all over

> > > Mesha, while on the first Navamsha Mars is the absolute territorial

> > > lord. Such considerations form the basis of the origin of an amsa

> > > chart, requiring the placement of a planet within 0-3°20' of Mesha

> > > in a birth chart in Mesha itself in the Navamsha chart, while a

> > > planet that is occupying a longitude 3°20' 6°40' in Mesha is placed

> > > in Vrisha(Taurus). The different arrangement of planets in the amsa

> > > chart from that of the birth chart is to be used to get a better

> > > glimpse of the indications of the native's life, but only when

> > > judging those matters laid down by the originator of the amsa

> > > chart. Thus, Navamsha for marriage or partnerships, Dasamsa for

> > > career etc;

> > >

> > > In time various post-Parasara writings have accumulated paving a way

> > > for two distinct line of thoughts. 1) When the amsa chart is to be

> > > interpreted there is no need to pay attention to those aspects in

> > > birth chart, obviously they(those aspects which were in the birth

> > > chart) may indeed be non existent in the amsa chart, 2) Planets in

> > > Amsa charts develop drishtis (aspects) under the same Parasara

> > > rules as in birth chart. Example, all oppositions in a varga chart

> > > have the same meaning as in rasi chart, the special aspects of

> > > Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn are applicable to the amsa charts the

> > > same way it is applied to rasi chart.

> > >

> > > I find two problems with the above concept.

> > > 1) A whole chapter in Parasara Hora has been devoted to drikbala of

> > > planets.

> > > Those of you click through GJ need not be told that drikbala is an

> > > important attribute of planetary shadbala strength. The starting

> > > point of the math for evaluation of drikbala function is the

> > > longitude of planets. Is it not clear that the drikbala is

> > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal identity,

> > > and consequently no angular relationship can be attributed between

> > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make aspect and aspectual

> > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts? One has to remember

> > > that when a planet is in Thula(Libra) and another one is in Mesha

> > > in Navamsha chart, they are there in those respective rasis because

> > > those planets occupied (in the birth chart) segments ruled by

> > > Venus and Mars, the lords of Thula and Mesha respectively. Such a

> > > relationship originates in the amsa lordship between segments of a

> > > given rasi, it has got nothing to do with any angular relationship

> > > between planets existing at the time of birth. Therefore, there is

> > > no justification to consider that these planets are in opposition

> > > in the same sense as they will be in rasi, if they are similarly

> > > placed.

> > >

> > > 2) Nowhere do I see aspect in varga charts explicitly mentioned in

> > > Parasara Hora.(see the exception in Karakamsha charts mentioned

> > > below). In the chapter where the Sage mentions vimshopaka strength

> > > of planets (amsa charts do play a big role here) he makes no

> > > mention of aspects, while exaltation(ucha) and own house

> > > (swakhetram) are given appropriate considerations. Am I to suppose

> > > that the Muni who carefully laid down precise mathematical rules to

> > > apportion aspectual strengths in shadbala made an inadvertent

> > > omission in vimshopaka?

> > >

> > > There is, however, a chapter in Hora sastra that mentions a general

> > > aspect, one that is not tied up in a longitudinal link on the

> > > zodiac. In this chapter(chapter 9) there is a mention of aspects of

> > > signs. The opposite signs and the planets contained within opposing

> > > signs are considered to be aspecting each other, in addition to a

> > > certain other combinations that gives fractional aspects. Thus,

> > > when the term sputadrishti(an aspect characterized by a longitude in

> > > the zodiac) is used, it becomes necessary to distinguish it from

> > > another kind of drishti, one that is not associated with sputam

> > > (longitude). May be one can claim that the later kind of aspect is

> > > the one Sage Parasara is referring to in Karakamsha chart, when the

> > > Sage uses the term ''Yutekshithe'' (to mean conjunct or aspected ).

> > > By and large in astrological applications these general aspects

> > > (mentioned in chapter 9) are ignored. When aspects are mentioned in

> > > modern writings, almost invariably, the author implies aspects that

> > > modify planetary attributes by divination or karakatwas of

> > > aspecting and aspected planets. Such aspects are the ones between

> > > planets in oppositions, or the special aspects of outer planets and

> > > Mars. Such aspects can be meaningfully implicated only with their

> > > longitudinal identity, a parameter not existing in amsa charts.

> > >

> > > Thus, when Parasara uses the word " yutekshite " as he does in the

> > > many verses in the chapter on Karakamsha in his monumental work, Hora

> > > Sastra, a distinction has to made by the readers between such

> > > drishti and those discussed in the birth chart. The later ones are

> > > the only aspects that results in drikbala. The one in amsa charts

> > > are supposed to be the ones, or those like the ones, mentioned in

> > > chapter 9. The aspects that quantitatively modifies the properties

> > > and significations by imparting characteristics of the aspecting and

> > > aspected planets are always the ones that arise out of a defined

> > > geometrical configuration. Such aspects cannot be existing in amsa

> > > charts unless the design framework of amsa charts are modified from

> > > that laid down by Sage Parasara.

> > >

> > > Therefore, the total of 16 vargas giving rise to 144 aspects (not

> > > counting special aspects of outer planets) does seem to be an

> > > unnecessary complication that is not warranted by the definition of

> > > aspects resulting in drikbala. Those aspects which do not have

> > > aspectual strengths obviously cannot be equated on the same par to

> > > those whose aspectual strength can be quantified. Many writings in

> > > Vedic Astrology, dating back even to the beginning of the 19th

> > > century, make no distinction between an aspect in the birth chart

> > > and that in an amsa chart.

> > > I do not mean to implicate that because there is not a longitudinal

> > > identity there is no planetary interaction in a varga chart between

> > > planets. My reasoning on aspects is exclusive of the relative ease

> > > or difficulty of interaction between planets when they are in 1:9

> > > and a 1:8 rasi position with respect to one another. Such

> > > positional identities do not need an angular arc, described by

> > > degree min second to define their position By assigning meaningful

> > > aspects in amsa chart one actually begins to open a whole can of

> > > worms. In some amsa charts, especially in those of smaller

> > > fractional values, one starts to see the Moon's two nodes lumped

> > > together in a single sign. How can one imagibe or justify a Rahu

> > > falling out of of aspect from Ketu? In Parasara's Hora chart (the

> > > fractional basis of Hora chart is fifteen degrees, half of a sign)

> > > all planets have to line up in either Cancer or Leo. Is it that in

> > > Hora chart, aspects between planets can be ignored, or they do not

> > > exist there, but in all other amsa charts aspects are meaningful?

> > > Vedic classics texts do mention that strengths of Yogas are

> > > inversely dependant on the inter-planetary distance within a sign.

> > > Lot of post parasara writings speak about Yogas in amsa charts. How

> > > do these authors assign orbs, and consequently strength of Yogas

> > > when planets are conjunct in amsa chart signs?

> > >

> > > In the absence of written word from the Sage who originated the amsa

> > > chart, one has only common sense to guide him through. My common

> > > sense does see a necessity for longitude to justify aspect in

> > > meaningful fashion, for aspect that cannot be quantitatively

> > > ascertained has to be considered as an inferior parameter to

> > > sputadrishti which can be quantitatively assessed. In my experience,

> > > it is not only unjustified to treat aspects in amsa charts

> > > the same way as one treats it in birth chart, but also leaving out

> > > aspects from amsa charts do not take away any of the thunder out of

> > > any predictions in Vedic Astrology. I hope to hear from those of

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Prashant ji

 

Very well said.

 

Though I was sure of Late BV Raman's opinion on varga chakra (through

the books, I read), but it was indeed pleasure to hear reconfirmations

- from your experience, and more so - as you religiously follow Late

BV Raman's model.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

 

 

, " astro desk "

<astro.prashantkumar wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla

>

> well all of RAMAN's works are BPHS demystified for us and if we

follow them

> we sure get a long distance, he has also used other works but his

backbone

> is BPHS in all he wrote.

>

> of course VARGAS EXIST and only veidic astrology has the gift of

diviging

> time and sign into so many split levels. each vargas has a unique scope.

> in fact some good versions of BPHS tell u by the Lagna in D1-and

placement

> of the 10th D1 lord in a D10 sign by its mere name what one's

profession is

> Justice NS Kappor current ICAS president can give u humpteen

variations of

> BPHS and the one I said is quoted by him a true replacement for RAMAN

> [chosen by raman to succeed him just [months] before he died.

>

> On 7/25/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji

> >

>

>

>

> Many thanks for sharing BV Raman's perspective. You being his student

> > - so please help in clarifying few issues from BV Raman's perspective:

> >

> > a. Do Varga Chart exists?- YES THE EXIST AND 60 DARGAS AS BPHS says

> >

b. Does combination / yoga exist in Varga chart?-YES the exist as u

said in

> > point S. ,,,, " only through conjunction of causative planets " whatever

> > happens thru a combination in a varga but this can't supersede one

in D1 say

> > u have a daridra yoga or sakata yoga there and a Dhana yoga or GKY

in D10 it

> > won't hep what is there in D1 if is there in D10 too will

strengthen it.

> >

>

> c. Does bhava exist in varga chart - e.g. 5th bhava in D7 or 10th

> > bhava in D10 etc

> >

>

>

>

> NO way it is stretching issues too far.

> >

c. You mentioned afflictions in varga chart - (does imply that varga

> > chart exists and bhava also) - so how do we see these afflictions in D

> > charts? Should only natural malefic be afflicting or functional

> > malefic / benefic be also considered like we see in D1.

> > d. for the purpose of afflcitions - do you feel - aspects in D charts

> > have role, or only through conjunction of causative planets?

> >

>

> for all practical purpouses it is natural planets afliction say u

have rahu

> in 5th in D7 one suffers due to childrenand more girls, in D10 same will

> mean he WILL HAVE A unconventional thinking at work may even be adapt in

> hacking, pilfering etc creative skills but for unethical use at

times this

> helps organisations who pay hackers to test their products u need such

> people.

> if in D6 health can be due to some curse of a pretha u may link it

due to

> some virus or unknown disease when its time runs.

> in Ekadasamsa one will gain thru some unconventional means -other

than his

> qualified areas.

>

> so u can use the aflicted status this way in different vargas like

wise if

> benefics-natural are placed in good houses good results esp if their

> lordships inD1 is also good and gets enhanced here.

> for more please read the said September surya Prakash memorial issue

1972/3.

>

> best wishes

>

> This thread is closed for me for now..I just need clarifications from

> > Prashant ji.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > broadly what u have posted thru some1s article is the right line, I

> > remember

> > > BV Raman saying so too, no aspects in vargas it is like tail

wagging the

> > > dog.

> > >

> > > if there is no strength in the D1 chart what use is it in vargas?

> > >

> > > and after seeing the strength in Rasi chart the amount of strength

> > has to be

> > > ascertained for each subject/point in life thru vargas its

supports one

> > > another and if it is weak there say in Dasamsa if a planet is weaker

> > than

> > > the one in Rasi and Navamsa it can't be said to deliver all that

may be

> > > shining in rasi on the livelihood/profession side.

> > >

> > > there is a special number September issue of astrological Magazine

> > dealing

> > > with vargas by many eminent astrologers may be sept 72-73 please

> > check has

> > > many great works referenced. by luminaries. [surya prakash memorial

> > issues

> > > are topic centric gems]

> > >

> > > one tip from it can be easily used here too

> > >

> > > if rasi 5th lord and house is strong BUT any varga has a

afflicted 5th

> > > amsaits Poorva punya is aflicted for that varga- weak will have

short

> > > comings or

> > > sufferings say in D1 5th lord is strong and D7 it is afflicted by

> > occupation

> > > of a malefic CHILDREN related issues suffer

> > >

> > > sametime if the 5th lord is well placed in D1 and D10 it works much

> > better

> > > or if an exalted planet or friendly planet occupies 5th amsa

HELPS IT

> > > BETTER.

> > >

> > > apply similar rules for other vargas, planets, houses what they

> > signify and

> > > how the poorva punya of it is will make the difference in its

results.

> > >

> > > SAME with yogas too and one cant expect yogas in vargas to deliver

> > when they

> > > don't in exist in D1.

> > >

> > > the tail can't wag the dog....!

> > >

> > >

> > > I HOPE i HAVE SUMMED UP UR QUESTION HERE.

> > >

> > > BEST WISHES

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 7/25/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected members

> > > >

> > > > While searching internet to find something else,i could get

many new

> > > > infos as shared yesterday - Chandrashekhar jis views ,Parthas

> > > > views,Freedoms views etc.I will analyze Mr.Parthas views and

> > > > Mr.Freedoms views later.

> > > >

> > > > Most importantly i found a brilliant article written in 2001 by an

> > > > elderly gentleman called Kuttikat Chandrabose(of my fathers age)

> > > > regarding aspects in ''varga charts''.I request everyone who is

> > > > having a scientific inclination to read this.

> > > > -------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Can we justify aspects in varga charts of Vedic

Astrology?

> > > >

> > > > Until now I have not bothered myself to find out whether there are

> > > > contradictions in the written literature of Vedic Astrology. The

> > > > reason for this nonchalant attitude was the assumption that the

> > > > very planets that signify good tidings will also signify bad

> > > > indications, depending upon how the planets are linked to the

> > > > various matters, the various portfolios of human life.

> > > >

> > > > So,contradictions become subjective to the native, depending

on what

> > > > the native considers good or bad. As an example, my father

left our

> > > > birthplace in India when I was 18 months old. He went to Singapore

> > > > (it was pre-world war II times) where he had made his fortune

> > > > before he married my mother, and I was born as the first

offspring.

> > > > He was financially hard up when I was born. He (my father) knew

> > > > that he could land his old job in Singapore, where he was well

paid.

> > > > World war II broke out, Singapore was a favored Japanese strategic

> > > > target, all whereabouts of my father along with several of his

> > > > friends were all lost without a trace. I have no recollection

of my

> > > > fathers face or any memories of him.

> > > > Those of you dabble in both, Western as well as Eastern astrology,

> > > > know that aspects are one issue on which the two systems differ

> > > > fundamentally.The reason why I took an example from my birth chart

> > > > was to illustrate that an aspect in the birth chart modifies

even an

> > > > unoccupied zodiac sign, a postulate only Vedic Astrology makes. I

> > > > have researched other cases which also seem to substantiate this

> > > > dictum.

> > > >

> > > > Those of you who have access to Goravani Jyothish may cast my

chart

> > > > for11/04/1936, TOB 1:40: AM, Trichur, India. In my birth

chart, five

> > > > out of the nine Vedic astrology planets aspect my 9th House,

> > > > somewhat of a rare aspectual concentration on a single House. Four

> > > > out of the five are malefic planets. The dictum that a glance from

> > > > Jupiter will eliminate a thousand evils did not work for me, at

> > > > least about my father, because the 5th aspect of the benefic

> > > > Jupiter falls on the 9th House too. Looking back on my own

life, my

> > > > 9th House succumbed to the evil forces it was subjected to, with

> > > > respect to the experience I had about my father. But overall, for

> > > > myself, the 9th House considered as a House of luck or fortune, I

> > > > was rather blessed in the ambitions I had entertained in life

> > > > compared to my rather low birth (only financially) surroundings.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, the science of astrology in fact allows for what are

seemingly

> > > > apparent contradictions, but these are contradictions

resulting from

> > > > differences in subjective interpretations, rather than those

> > > > inherent in astrological dictums.

> > > >

> > > > I give my life experience here because it convinces me how

aspects to

> > > > an empty rasi (unoccupied by any planet) in a birth chart can have

> > > > meaningful impacts on those matters in the native's life,

signified

> > > > by that rasi. However, when I come to aspects in amsa charts (also

> > > > called varga charts) in Vedic Astrology, I am a little lost about

> > > > its significance in the astrological literature.

> > > >

> > > > In general, most writings in Vedic Astrology literature allow

for the

> > > > existence of aspects in amsa charts. If one accepts that

aspects both

> > > > in Western as well in Eastern Astrology there seems to exist this

> > > > acceptance) result from some particular geometrical angular

> > > > relationships between planets, then it is difficult to see how in

> > > > Parasara designed amsa charts one can meaningfully assign aspects.

> > > > When a planet is transplanted from its rasi osition in a birth

chart

> > > > (where in fact it is there in real time) to another Zodiac

House in

> > > > an amsa chart, this planet looses its longitudinal identity which

> > > > characterized it in the birth chart.

> > > >

> > > > Varga charts were introduced by Sage Parasara to fine tune the

> > > > astrological judgment of certain matters in the native's life. The

> > > > Sage declares their function in his book, albeit briefly but in no

> > > > uncertain terms, in his introduction to vargavivekadhiaya.

> > > > Parasara's justification for the creation of the varga charts is

> > > > based on his postulate that planets which have the common lordship

> > > > over a rasi, for example Mars over Mesha(Aries) and Vrischika

> > > > (Scorpio) are not necessarily the supreme rulers of the various

> > > > amsas (fractions) within the thirty degree span of the same rasis.

> > > > Thus, while Mars rules the whole of Mesha in general, Mars has

some

> > > > added rulership-right on the first Navamsha of Mesha(0-3°20')

> > > > compared to the rest of 8 Navamshas of Mesha. The remaining 8

> > > > Navamshas may be considered to be leased, (figuratively

speaking!) by

> > > > Mars from other planets, giving him the general rulership all over

> > > > Mesha, while on the first Navamsha Mars is the absolute

territorial

> > > > lord. Such considerations form the basis of the origin of an amsa

> > > > chart, requiring the placement of a planet within 0-3°20' of Mesha

> > > > in a birth chart in Mesha itself in the Navamsha chart, while a

> > > > planet that is occupying a longitude 3°20' 6°40' in Mesha is

placed

> > > > in Vrisha(Taurus). The different arrangement of planets in the

amsa

> > > > chart from that of the birth chart is to be used to get a better

> > > > glimpse of the indications of the native's life, but only when

> > > > judging those matters laid down by the originator of the amsa

> > > > chart. Thus, Navamsha for marriage or partnerships, Dasamsa for

> > > > career etc;

> > > >

> > > > In time various post-Parasara writings have accumulated paving

a way

> > > > for two distinct line of thoughts. 1) When the amsa chart is to be

> > > > interpreted there is no need to pay attention to those aspects in

> > > > birth chart, obviously they(those aspects which were in the birth

> > > > chart) may indeed be non existent in the amsa chart, 2) Planets in

> > > > Amsa charts develop drishtis (aspects) under the same Parasara

> > > > rules as in birth chart. Example, all oppositions in a varga chart

> > > > have the same meaning as in rasi chart, the special aspects of

> > > > Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn are applicable to the amsa charts the

> > > > same way it is applied to rasi chart.

> > > >

> > > > I find two problems with the above concept.

> > > > 1) A whole chapter in Parasara Hora has been devoted to

drikbala of

> > > > planets.

> > > > Those of you click through GJ need not be told that drikbala is an

> > > > important attribute of planetary shadbala strength. The starting

> > > > point of the math for evaluation of drikbala function is the

> > > > longitude of planets. Is it not clear that the drikbala is

> > > > aspectual strength? If there is no longitudinal identity,

> > > > and consequently no angular relationship can be attributed between

> > > > planets in an amsa chart, does it not make aspect and aspectual

> > > > strength a foregone conclusion in amsa charts? One has to remember

> > > > that when a planet is in Thula(Libra) and another one is in Mesha

> > > > in Navamsha chart, they are there in those respective rasis

because

> > > > those planets occupied (in the birth chart) segments ruled by

> > > > Venus and Mars, the lords of Thula and Mesha respectively. Such a

> > > > relationship originates in the amsa lordship between segments of a

> > > > given rasi, it has got nothing to do with any angular relationship

> > > > between planets existing at the time of birth. Therefore, there is

> > > > no justification to consider that these planets are in opposition

> > > > in the same sense as they will be in rasi, if they are similarly

> > > > placed.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Nowhere do I see aspect in varga charts explicitly mentioned in

> > > > Parasara Hora.(see the exception in Karakamsha charts mentioned

> > > > below). In the chapter where the Sage mentions vimshopaka strength

> > > > of planets (amsa charts do play a big role here) he makes no

> > > > mention of aspects, while exaltation(ucha) and own house

> > > > (swakhetram) are given appropriate considerations. Am I to suppose

> > > > that the Muni who carefully laid down precise mathematical

rules to

> > > > apportion aspectual strengths in shadbala made an inadvertent

> > > > omission in vimshopaka?

> > > >

> > > > There is, however, a chapter in Hora sastra that mentions a

general

> > > > aspect, one that is not tied up in a longitudinal link on the

> > > > zodiac. In this chapter(chapter 9) there is a mention of

aspects of

> > > > signs. The opposite signs and the planets contained within

opposing

> > > > signs are considered to be aspecting each other, in addition to a

> > > > certain other combinations that gives fractional aspects. Thus,

> > > > when the term sputadrishti(an aspect characterized by a

longitude in

> > > > the zodiac) is used, it becomes necessary to distinguish it from

> > > > another kind of drishti, one that is not associated with sputam

> > > > (longitude). May be one can claim that the later kind of aspect is

> > > > the one Sage Parasara is referring to in Karakamsha chart,

when the

> > > > Sage uses the term ''Yutekshithe'' (to mean conjunct or

aspected ).

> > > > By and large in astrological applications these general aspects

> > > > (mentioned in chapter 9) are ignored. When aspects are

mentioned in

> > > > modern writings, almost invariably, the author implies aspects

that

> > > > modify planetary attributes by divination or karakatwas of

> > > > aspecting and aspected planets. Such aspects are the ones between

> > > > planets in oppositions, or the special aspects of outer

planets and

> > > > Mars. Such aspects can be meaningfully implicated only with their

> > > > longitudinal identity, a parameter not existing in amsa charts.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, when Parasara uses the word " yutekshite " as he does in the

> > > > many verses in the chapter on Karakamsha in his monumental

work, Hora

> > > > Sastra, a distinction has to made by the readers between such

> > > > drishti and those discussed in the birth chart. The later ones are

> > > > the only aspects that results in drikbala. The one in amsa charts

> > > > are supposed to be the ones, or those like the ones, mentioned in

> > > > chapter 9. The aspects that quantitatively modifies the properties

> > > > and significations by imparting characteristics of the

aspecting and

> > > > aspected planets are always the ones that arise out of a defined

> > > > geometrical configuration. Such aspects cannot be existing in amsa

> > > > charts unless the design framework of amsa charts are modified

from

> > > > that laid down by Sage Parasara.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, the total of 16 vargas giving rise to 144 aspects (not

> > > > counting special aspects of outer planets) does seem to be an

> > > > unnecessary complication that is not warranted by the

definition of

> > > > aspects resulting in drikbala. Those aspects which do not have

> > > > aspectual strengths obviously cannot be equated on the same par to

> > > > those whose aspectual strength can be quantified. Many writings in

> > > > Vedic Astrology, dating back even to the beginning of the 19th

> > > > century, make no distinction between an aspect in the birth chart

> > > > and that in an amsa chart.

> > > > I do not mean to implicate that because there is not a

longitudinal

> > > > identity there is no planetary interaction in a varga chart

between

> > > > planets. My reasoning on aspects is exclusive of the relative ease

> > > > or difficulty of interaction between planets when they are in 1:9

> > > > and a 1:8 rasi position with respect to one another. Such

> > > > positional identities do not need an angular arc, described by

> > > > degree min second to define their position By assigning meaningful

> > > > aspects in amsa chart one actually begins to open a whole can of

> > > > worms. In some amsa charts, especially in those of smaller

> > > > fractional values, one starts to see the Moon's two nodes lumped

> > > > together in a single sign. How can one imagibe or justify a Rahu

> > > > falling out of of aspect from Ketu? In Parasara's Hora chart (the

> > > > fractional basis of Hora chart is fifteen degrees, half of a sign)

> > > > all planets have to line up in either Cancer or Leo. Is it that in

> > > > Hora chart, aspects between planets can be ignored, or they do not

> > > > exist there, but in all other amsa charts aspects are meaningful?

> > > > Vedic classics texts do mention that strengths of Yogas are

> > > > inversely dependant on the inter-planetary distance within a sign.

> > > > Lot of post parasara writings speak about Yogas in amsa

charts. How

> > > > do these authors assign orbs, and consequently strength of Yogas

> > > > when planets are conjunct in amsa chart signs?

> > > >

> > > > In the absence of written word from the Sage who originated

the amsa

> > > > chart, one has only common sense to guide him through. My common

> > > > sense does see a necessity for longitude to justify aspect in

> > > > meaningful fashion, for aspect that cannot be quantitatively

> > > > ascertained has to be considered as an inferior parameter to

> > > > sputadrishti which can be quantitatively assessed. In my

experience,

> > > > it is not only unjustified to treat aspects in amsa charts

> > > > the same way as one treats it in birth chart, but also leaving out

> > > > aspects from amsa charts do not take away any of the thunder

out of

> > > > any predictions in Vedic Astrology. I hope to hear from those of

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[Guest guest]

Prashantji,

 

You said VARGAS EXIST. The debate is whehter VARGS

CHART EXIST ? The terminology is very critical. No one

to my knowledge has said vargas or divisions or amshas

do not exist. The question is

 

1. Do varga kundali ( chart/chakra) exist.

2. Do houses exist? If answer to 1. is yes then

probably houses would exist too.

3. Do apstechs exist ? Graha dristi or rashi dristi.

4. As you pointed , say dashamsha. Where will look for

career in ? 10th house of rashi or D-1, 10th of

Dashamsha (d-10, if you use houses in D-10)

5.Do you use rajyogas in dashamsha or other Divisions

used as charts ? So 5th and 10th lord together in

dashamsha will be a rajyoga. Do you treat it like

that.

6. How do you resolve the diachotomy, if D-1 has no

rajyogas but D-10 has them ?

 

Thanks

 

Satish

--- astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

 

> Dear Prafulla

>

> well all of RAMAN's works are BPHS demystified for

> us and if we follow them

> we sure get a long distance, he has also used other

> works but his backbone

> is BPHS in all he wrote.

>

> of course VARGAS EXIST and only veidic astrology has

> the gift of diviging

> time and sign into so many split levels. each vargas

> has a unique scope.

> in fact some good versions of BPHS tell u by the

> Lagna in D1-and placement

> of the 10th D1 lord in a D10 sign by its mere name

> what one's profession is

> Justice NS Kappor current ICAS president can give u

> humpteen variations of

> BPHS and the one I said is quoted by him a true

> replacement for RAMAN

> [chosen by raman to succeed him just [months]

> before he died.

>

> On 7/25/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji

> >

>

>

>

> Many thanks for sharing BV Raman's perspective. You

> being his student

> > - so please help in clarifying few issues from BV

> Raman's perspective:

> >

> > a. Do Varga Chart exists?- YES THE EXIST AND 60

> DARGAS AS BPHS says

> >

b. Does combination / yoga exist in Varga chart?-YES

> the exist as u said in

> > point S. ,,,, " only through conjunction of

> causative planets " whatever

> > happens thru a combination in a varga but this

> can't supersede one in D1 say

> > u have a daridra yoga or sakata yoga there and a

> Dhana yoga or GKY in D10 it

> > won't hep what is there in D1 if is there in D10

> too will strengthen it.

> >

>

> c. Does bhava exist in varga chart - e.g. 5th bhava

> in D7 or 10th

> > bhava in D10 etc

> >

>

>

>

> NO way it is stretching issues too far.

> >

c. You mentioned afflictions in varga chart - (does

> imply that varga

> > chart exists and bhava also) - so how do we see

> these afflictions in D

> > charts? Should only natural malefic be afflicting

> or functional

> > malefic / benefic be also considered like we see

> in D1.

> > d. for the purpose of afflcitions - do you feel -

> aspects in D charts

> > have role, or only through conjunction of

> causative planets?

> >

>

> for all practical purpouses it is natural planets

> afliction say u have rahu

> in 5th in D7 one suffers due to childrenand more

> girls, in D10 same will

> mean he WILL HAVE A unconventional thinking at work

> may even be adapt in

> hacking, pilfering etc creative skills but for

> unethical use at times this

> helps organisations who pay hackers to test their

> products u need such

> people.

> if in D6 health can be due to some curse of a pretha

> u may link it due to

> some virus or unknown disease when its time runs.

> in Ekadasamsa one will gain thru some unconventional

> means -other than his

> qualified areas.

>

> so u can use the aflicted status this way in

> different vargas like wise if

> benefics-natural are placed in good houses good

> results esp if their

> lordships inD1 is also good and gets enhanced here.

> for more please read the said September surya

> Prakash memorial issue 1972/3.

>

> best wishes

>

> This thread is closed for me for now..I just need

> clarifications from

> > Prashant ji.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> >

> <%40>,

> > " astro desk "

> > <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> > >

> > > Pradeep,

> > >

> > > broadly what u have posted thru some1s article

> is the right line, I

> > remember

> > > BV Raman saying so too, no aspects in vargas it

> is like tail wagging the

> > > dog.

> > >

> > > if there is no strength in the D1 chart what use

> is it in vargas?

> > >

> > > and after seeing the strength in Rasi chart the

> amount of strength

> > has to be

> > > ascertained for each subject/point in life thru

> vargas its supports one

> > > another and if it is weak there say in Dasamsa

> if a planet is weaker

> > than

> > > the one in Rasi and Navamsa it can't be said to

> deliver all that may be

> > > shining in rasi on the livelihood/profession

> side.

> > >

> > > there is a special number September issue of

> astrological Magazine

> > dealing

> > > with vargas by many eminent astrologers may be

> sept 72-73 please

> > check has

> > > many great works referenced. by luminaries.

> [surya prakash memorial

> > issues

> > > are topic centric gems]

> > >

> > > one tip from it can be easily used here too

> > >

> > > if rasi 5th lord and house is strong BUT any

> varga has a afflicted 5th

> > > amsaits Poorva punya is aflicted for that varga-

> weak will have short

> > > comings or

> > > sufferings say in D1 5th lord is strong and D7

> it is afflicted by

> > occupation

> > > of a malefic CHILDREN related issues suffer

> > >

> > > sametime if the 5th lord is well placed in D1

> and D10 it works much

> > better

> > > or if an exalted planet or friendly planet

> occupies 5th amsa HELPS IT

> > > BETTER.

> > >

> > > apply similar rules for other vargas, planets,

> houses what they

> > signify and

> > > how the poorva punya of it is will make the

> difference in its results.

> > >

> > > SAME with yogas too and one cant expect yogas in

> vargas to deliver

> > when they

> > > don't in exist in D1.

> > >

> > > the tail can't wag the dog....!

> > >

> > >

> > > I HOPE i HAVE SUMMED UP UR QUESTION HERE.

> > >

> > > BEST WISHES

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

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Satish

 

if u have read my post u wont put this question again too

 

all ur questions r covered probably 1 can be repeated, most often in the

past they had no need to use paper to draw a chart they had all the picture

needed before their eyes u can still see good astrologers do calculate

mentally many finer aspects. which means they did exist not a s/w printed

type or a hand drawn chart memory was the key to vedic works.

 

just as u can see good shop keepers calculate the bill off hand than a s/w

or a calculator in a flash, where memory is their key.

 

on no 4 i have covered too

 

D1

 

On 7/25/07, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Prashantji,

>

> You said VARGAS EXIST. The debate is whehter VARGS

> CHART EXIST ? The terminology is very critical. No one

> to my knowledge has said vargas or divisions or amshas

> do not exist. The question is

>

> 1. Do varga kundali ( chart/chakra) exist.

> 2. Do houses exist? If answer to 1. is yes then

> probably houses would exist too.

> 3. Do apstechs exist ? Graha dristi or rashi dristi.

> 4. As you pointed , say dashamsha. Where will look for

> career in ? 10th house of rashi or D-1, 10th of

> Dashamsha (d-10, if you use houses in D-10)

> 5.Do you use rajyogas in dashamsha or other Divisions

> used as charts ? So 5th and 10th lord together in

> dashamsha will be a rajyoga. Do you treat it like

> that.

> 6. How do you resolve the diachotomy, if D-1 has no

> rajyogas but D-10 has them ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

>

> --- astro desk

<astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Prafulla

> >

> > well all of RAMAN's works are BPHS demystified for

> > us and if we follow them

> > we sure get a long distance, he has also used other

> > works but his backbone

> > is BPHS in all he wrote.

> >

> > of course VARGAS EXIST and only veidic astrology has

> > the gift of diviging

> > time and sign into so many split levels. each vargas

> > has a unique scope.

> > in fact some good versions of BPHS tell u by the

> > Lagna in D1-and placement

> > of the 10th D1 lord in a D10 sign by its mere name

> > what one's profession is

> > Justice NS Kappor current ICAS president can give u

> > humpteen variations of

> > BPHS and the one I said is quoted by him a true

> > replacement for RAMAN

> > [chosen by raman to succeed him just [months]

> > before he died.

> >

> > On 7/25/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks for sharing BV Raman's perspective. You

> > being his student

> > > - so please help in clarifying few issues from BV

> > Raman's perspective:

> > >

> > > a. Do Varga Chart exists?- YES THE EXIST AND 60

> > DARGAS AS BPHS says

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > b. Does combination / yoga exist in Varga chart?-YES

> > the exist as u said in

> > > point S. ,,,, " only through conjunction of

> > causative planets " whatever

> > > happens thru a combination in a varga but this

> > can't supersede one in D1 say

> > > u have a daridra yoga or sakata yoga there and a

> > Dhana yoga or GKY in D10 it

> > > won't hep what is there in D1 if is there in D10

> > too will strengthen it.

> > >

> >

> > c. Does bhava exist in varga chart - e.g. 5th bhava

> > in D7 or 10th

> > > bhava in D10 etc

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > NO way it is stretching issues too far.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > c. You mentioned afflictions in varga chart - (does

> > imply that varga

> > > chart exists and bhava also) - so how do we see

> > these afflictions in D

> > > charts? Should only natural malefic be afflicting

> > or functional

> > > malefic / benefic be also considered like we see

> > in D1.

> > > d. for the purpose of afflcitions - do you feel -

> > aspects in D charts

> > > have role, or only through conjunction of

> > causative planets?

> > >

> >

> > for all practical purpouses it is natural planets

> > afliction say u have rahu

> > in 5th in D7 one suffers due to childrenand more

> > girls, in D10 same will

> > mean he WILL HAVE A unconventional thinking at work

> > may even be adapt in

> > hacking, pilfering etc creative skills but for

> > unethical use at times this

> > helps organisations who pay hackers to test their

> > products u need such

> > people.

> > if in D6 health can be due to some curse of a pretha

> > u may link it due to

> > some virus or unknown disease when its time runs.

> > in Ekadasamsa one will gain thru some unconventional

> > means -other than his

> > qualified areas.

> >

> > so u can use the aflicted status this way in

> > different vargas like wise if

> > benefics-natural are placed in good houses good

> > results esp if their

> > lordships inD1 is also good and gets enhanced here.

> > for more please read the said September surya

> > Prakash memorial issue 1972/3.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > This thread is closed for me for now..I just need

> > clarifications from

> > > Prashant ji.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > broadly what u have posted thru some1s article

> > is the right line, I

> > > remember

> > > > BV Raman saying so too, no aspects in vargas it

> > is like tail wagging the

> > > > dog.

> > > >

> > > > if there is no strength in the D1 chart what use

> > is it in vargas?

> > > >

> > > > and after seeing the strength in Rasi chart the

> > amount of strength

> > > has to be

> > > > ascertained for each subject/point in life thru

> > vargas its supports one

> > > > another and if it is weak there say in Dasamsa

> > if a planet is weaker

> > > than

> > > > the one in Rasi and Navamsa it can't be said to

> > deliver all that may be

> > > > shining in rasi on the livelihood/profession

> > side.

> > > >

> > > > there is a special number September issue of

> > astrological Magazine

> > > dealing

> > > > with vargas by many eminent astrologers may be

> > sept 72-73 please

> > > check has

> > > > many great works referenced. by luminaries.

> > [surya prakash memorial

> > > issues

> > > > are topic centric gems]

> > > >

> > > > one tip from it can be easily used here too

> > > >

> > > > if rasi 5th lord and house is strong BUT any

> > varga has a afflicted 5th

> > > > amsaits Poorva punya is aflicted for that varga-

> > weak will have short

> > > > comings or

> > > > sufferings say in D1 5th lord is strong and D7

> > it is afflicted by

> > > occupation

> > > > of a malefic CHILDREN related issues suffer

> > > >

> > > > sametime if the 5th lord is well placed in D1

> > and D10 it works much

> > > better

> > > > or if an exalted planet or friendly planet

> > occupies 5th amsa HELPS IT

> > > > BETTER.

> > > >

> > > > apply similar rules for other vargas, planets,

> > houses what they

> > > signify and

> > > > how the poorva punya of it is will make the

> > difference in its results.

> > > >

> > > > SAME with yogas too and one cant expect yogas in

> > vargas to deliver

> > > when they

> > > > don't in exist in D1.

> > > >

> > > > the tail can't wag the dog....!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I HOPE i HAVE SUMMED UP UR QUESTION HERE.

> > > >

> > > > BEST WISHES

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

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SRK,

 

it sent the reply half way may be some key slip of hand

 

Satish

 

if u have read my post u wont put this question again too

 

all ur questions r covered probably 1 can be repeated, most often in the

past they had no need to use paper to draw a chart they had all the picture

needed before their eyes u can still see good astrologers do calculate

mentally many finer aspects. which means they did exist not a s/w printed

type or a hand drawn chart memory was the key to vedic works.

 

just as u can see good shop keepers calculate the bill off hand than a s/w

or a calculator in a flash, where memory is their key.

 

on no 4 i have covered too

 

D1 must promise a varga must strengthen it whatver u want to apply and no

way u can use aspected yogas if there r there by mere conjunction and also

present in D1 help, if u want to twist the yogas into vargas sure the

majority of us will have many great yogas yet we r nowhere isnt it...! my

line tail can't wag the dog is meant for it I used it twice now 3rd time D1

is supreme thenvargas exemplify it.

 

as prafulla has said CLOSE the thread I will do so unless some dramatic

things on this happen to warrant a reply

 

 

best wishes

 

On 7/25/07, SPK <aquaris_rising wrote:

>

> Prashantji,

>

> You said VARGAS EXIST. The debate is whehter VARGS

> CHART EXIST ? The terminology is very critical. No one

> to my knowledge has said vargas or divisions or amshas

> do not exist. The question is

>

> 1. Do varga kundali ( chart/chakra) exist.

> 2. Do houses exist? If answer to 1. is yes then

> probably houses would exist too.

> 3. Do apstechs exist ? Graha dristi or rashi dristi.

> 4. As you pointed , say dashamsha. Where will look for

> career in ? 10th house of rashi or D-1, 10th of

> Dashamsha (d-10, if you use houses in D-10)

> 5.Do you use rajyogas in dashamsha or other Divisions

> used as charts ? So 5th and 10th lord together in

> dashamsha will be a rajyoga. Do you treat it like

> that.

> 6. How do you resolve the diachotomy, if D-1 has no

> rajyogas but D-10 has them ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Satish

>

> --- astro desk

<astro.prashantkumar<astro.prashantkumar%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Prafulla

> >

> > well all of RAMAN's works are BPHS demystified for

> > us and if we follow them

> > we sure get a long distance, he has also used other

> > works but his backbone

> > is BPHS in all he wrote.

> >

> > of course VARGAS EXIST and only veidic astrology has

> > the gift of diviging

> > time and sign into so many split levels. each vargas

> > has a unique scope.

> > in fact some good versions of BPHS tell u by the

> > Lagna in D1-and placement

> > of the 10th D1 lord in a D10 sign by its mere name

> > what one's profession is

> > Justice NS Kappor current ICAS president can give u

> > humpteen variations of

> > BPHS and the one I said is quoted by him a true

> > replacement for RAMAN

> > [chosen by raman to succeed him just [months]

> > before he died.

> >

> > On 7/25/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant ji

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks for sharing BV Raman's perspective. You

> > being his student

> > > - so please help in clarifying few issues from BV

> > Raman's perspective:

> > >

> > > a. Do Varga Chart exists?- YES THE EXIST AND 60

> > DARGAS AS BPHS says

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > b. Does combination / yoga exist in Varga chart?-YES

> > the exist as u said in

> > > point S. ,,,, " only through conjunction of

> > causative planets " whatever

> > > happens thru a combination in a varga but this

> > can't supersede one in D1 say

> > > u have a daridra yoga or sakata yoga there and a

> > Dhana yoga or GKY in D10 it

> > > won't hep what is there in D1 if is there in D10

> > too will strengthen it.

> > >

> >

> > c. Does bhava exist in varga chart - e.g. 5th bhava

> > in D7 or 10th

> > > bhava in D10 etc

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > NO way it is stretching issues too far.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > c. You mentioned afflictions in varga chart - (does

> > imply that varga

> > > chart exists and bhava also) - so how do we see

> > these afflictions in D

> > > charts? Should only natural malefic be afflicting

> > or functional

> > > malefic / benefic be also considered like we see

> > in D1.

> > > d. for the purpose of afflcitions - do you feel -

> > aspects in D charts

> > > have role, or only through conjunction of

> > causative planets?

> > >

> >

> > for all practical purpouses it is natural planets

> > afliction say u have rahu

> > in 5th in D7 one suffers due to childrenand more

> > girls, in D10 same will

> > mean he WILL HAVE A unconventional thinking at work

> > may even be adapt in

> > hacking, pilfering etc creative skills but for

> > unethical use at times this

> > helps organisations who pay hackers to test their

> > products u need such

> > people.

> > if in D6 health can be due to some curse of a pretha

> > u may link it due to

> > some virus or unknown disease when its time runs.

> > in Ekadasamsa one will gain thru some unconventional

> > means -other than his

> > qualified areas.

> >

> > so u can use the aflicted status this way in

> > different vargas like wise if

> > benefics-natural are placed in good houses good

> > results esp if their

> > lordships inD1 is also good and gets enhanced here.

> > for more please read the said September surya

> > Prakash memorial issue 1972/3.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > This thread is closed for me for now..I just need

> > clarifications from

> > > Prashant ji.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > <%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > " astro desk "

> > > <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > broadly what u have posted thru some1s article

> > is the right line, I

> > > remember

> > > > BV Raman saying so too, no aspects in vargas it

> > is like tail wagging the

> > > > dog.

> > > >

> > > > if there is no strength in the D1 chart what use

> > is it in vargas?

> > > >

> > > > and after seeing the strength in Rasi chart the

> > amount of strength

> > > has to be

> > > > ascertained for each subject/point in life thru

> > vargas its supports one

> > > > another and if it is weak there say in Dasamsa

> > if a planet is weaker

> > > than

> > > > the one in Rasi and Navamsa it can't be said to

> > deliver all that may be

> > > > shining in rasi on the livelihood/profession

> > side.

> > > >

> > > > there is a special number September issue of

> > astrological Magazine

> > > dealing

> > > > with vargas by many eminent astrologers may be

> > sept 72-73 please

> > > check has

> > > > many great works referenced. by luminaries.

> > [surya prakash memorial

> > > issues

> > > > are topic centric gems]

> > > >

> > > > one tip from it can be easily used here too

> > > >

> > > > if rasi 5th lord and house is strong BUT any

> > varga has a afflicted 5th

> > > > amsaits Poorva punya is aflicted for that varga-

> > weak will have short

> > > > comings or

> > > > sufferings say in D1 5th lord is strong and D7

> > it is afflicted by

> > > occupation

> > > > of a malefic CHILDREN related issues suffer

> > > >

> > > > sametime if the 5th lord is well placed in D1

> > and D10 it works much

> > > better

> > > > or if an exalted planet or friendly planet

> > occupies 5th amsa HELPS IT

> > > > BETTER.

> > > >

> > > > apply similar rules for other vargas, planets,

> > houses what they

> > > signify and

> > > > how the poorva punya of it is will make the

> > difference in its results.

> > > >

> > > > SAME with yogas too and one cant expect yogas in

> > vargas to deliver

> > > when they

> > > > don't in exist in D1.

> > > >

> > > > the tail can't wag the dog....!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I HOPE i HAVE SUMMED UP UR QUESTION HERE.

> > > >

> > > > BEST WISHES

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> >

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