Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Respected members Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the drishti other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) way of seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on longitude. Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can be evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects there are special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other astrologer ,translator cannot have a different view. Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship within a Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to play. This is enough for any studen to understand what is what.Moreover shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are still not clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in Varga Chakras. Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams comment.There is nothing more to add. Regds Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? I am repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. You should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th line of the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first 9 lines also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so son). regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Respected members > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the drishti > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) way of > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on longitude. > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can be > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects there are > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other astrologer ,translator > cannot have a different view. > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship within a > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to play. > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is what.Moreover > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are still not > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in Varga Chakras. > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams comment.There is > nothing more to add. > > Regds > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How many times i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i have answered the same question to you. I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could notexplain Lagna shadvargake shloka. Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this tactic will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have said. Regds Pradeep In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? I am > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. You > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th line of > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first 9 lines > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so son). > > regards / Prafulla > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the drishti > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) way of > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on longitude. > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can be > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects there are > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other astrologer ,translator > > cannot have a different view. > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship within a > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to play. > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is what.Moreover > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are still not > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in Varga Chakras. > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams comment.There is > > nothing more to add. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Shri Pradeep ji There is no tactics..you are repeating his view wrongly, and i am pointing that mistake. is it not painful, that you are not willing to read his articles before coming to conclusion - as to what does he say. Is it not funny that - you consider opposition in D charts as not aspect, whereas he is categoric about it. I am not twisting anything; and just repeating as what I have read and understood. I have no problems with your interpretation - except when you use Late Santhanam's view on aspects to misquote him. Is it not unreasonable that - you are using one of his translated shloka on aspects to put your point. He did not say that aspects do not exist - but was of the view that he could not understand that. May be by the time - he wrote articles (over 8/10 years) - he must have understood it. Is jyotish exploration not a journey? It is really pity that the whole thread is leading at - selective quotes, misquotes, no prove of predictive fallacies of the people who " wrongly used " , repeat mails and above all selective answers. When someone asked you about other D charts - you skipped? When someone asked about predicting Vimsama chart using your model - you again skipped. If you feel, you may be in position to answer when - you finish whitepaper and i must seriously wonder as to: a. Is it not wise to be quiet, until that is done? b. Is it wise to put the theory to public, which is yet not fully worked upon beyond D9? c. is it wise to use selective quotes? I must repeat - if you do not agree with Santhanam's point of view on Varga chakra - then why are you quoting one shloka commentary - where he himself is supposedly unclear? d. Why to quote a incomplete knowledge - when you have not read his articles - which i am quoting? e. Why do not you want to trust his own interpretation model, and just repeating - what he " meant " ? Read his notes on D3, D10 and many D charts. The discussion was never on use of rasi chart. We all know that Rasi chart is very vital. But referring KN Rao again on Rasi chart is nothing more than argument winning tactics. S0 sir - who has used tactics? I have no problem in patience and listening any meaningful dialog; but personally I do not appreciate twisting and skipping tendencies. But still i do not mind you repeating them 5 times a day, if it helps your cause. You are not willing to appreciate the relevance of Pramana in Parampara Jyotish. Parampara Jyotish is much richer and wider then few books, all of us may want to quote to suit our convenience. But your convenience need not be relevant to the wider cause !! regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How many times > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i have > answered the same question to you. > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could notexplain > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this tactic > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have said. > > Regds > Pradeep > > In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? I am > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. You > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th line > of > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first 9 > lines > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so son). > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the drishti > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on > longitude. > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can be > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects there > are > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > astrologer ,translator > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship within > a > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to play. > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is what.Moreover > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are still > not > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in Varga > Chakras. > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams comment.There > is > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Respected members of the forum, I tried my best to keep away from this endless discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a healthy way of discussion. Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The aspect refers to an angular distance between two celestial bodies measured along the ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on astronomy. If we take into consideration the definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. It the nature position of the planets. The varga are the creation of astrologers not the nature or the Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect should be used in vergas.Why other classics are silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does not allows the same, we should reject the same immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human kind and universe to understand the future. Respect the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The astrologers have developed the habit of giving explanation when event has taken place and try to fit the event in astrology, but does not improve himself and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify the data of the astrology according to the present position of the planets and point of equinox so that we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain and seasons, say mundane events. I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Prafulla ji > > This is really painful.You are really testing > patience.How many times > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > which i have > answered the same question to you. > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > could notexplain > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > think this tactic > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > have said. > > Regds > Pradeep > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > <jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > varga charts? I am > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > used aspects. You > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > with his 10th line > of > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > with first 9 > lines > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > there and so son). > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > about the drishti > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > chapter. > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > based on > longitude. > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > drishtis can be > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > special aspects there > are > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > strength as well. > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > astrologer ,translator > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > varga lordship within > a > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > role to play. > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > is what.Moreover > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > those who are still > not > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > understanding in Varga > Chakras. > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > Santhanams comment.There > is > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Shri Kursija ji Yes - aspects are debated issue in vedic astrology from varga charts perspective. The key issue of the thread was not the aspects but: a. if varga chart exists b. if yes - can they be read with yogas / combinations, houses (e.g. 5th house in D7 or 10th house in D10 or 8th house in D3 etc) and of course the aspects. My point is not from the perspective that - Aspects can not exist in Varga charts - but from the perspective that they have been used by most schools of thought. But prime question of the thread by a and b above - and there - Shri Late BV Raman, Shri Late Santhanam,Shri CS Patel, Shri VK Choudhri, KAS, Shri KN Rao, Shri Shasdri Iyyer etc were clear on its application. and why should not we try to understand this from their perspective. regards / Prafulla , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected members of the forum, > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > healthy way of discussion. > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > aspect refers to an angular distance > between two celestial bodies measured along the > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > not allows the same, we should reject the same > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > the data of the astrology according to the present > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > and seasons, say mundane events. > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > patience.How many times > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > which i have > > answered the same question to you. > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > could notexplain > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > think this tactic > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > have said. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > varga charts? I am > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > used aspects. You > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > with his 10th line > > of > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > with first 9 > > lines > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > there and so son). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > about the drishti > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > chapter. > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > based on > > longitude. > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > drishtis can be > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > special aspects there > > are > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > astrologer ,translator > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > varga lordship within > > a > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > role to play. > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > is what.Moreover > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > those who are still > > not > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > understanding in Varga > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > Santhanams comment.There > > is > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Khursija ji, Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this logic only I statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers used aspects in varga charts? What is the principle behind it? If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many astrologers who have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology have confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they not understand these principles of Astronomy? They must have found some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. Otherwise, they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, what is that reason or principle that made them use aspects in varga charts? I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my answers. Regards, Krishna --- " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > Respected members of the forum, > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > healthy way of discussion. > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > aspect refers to an angular distance > between two celestial bodies measured along the > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > not allows the same, we should reject the same > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > the data of the astrology according to the present > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > and seasons, say mundane events. > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > patience.How many times > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > which i have > > answered the same question to you. > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > could notexplain > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > think this tactic > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > have said. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > varga charts? I am > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > used aspects. You > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > with his 10th line > > of > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > with first 9 > > lines > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > there and so son). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > about the drishti > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > chapter. > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > based on > > longitude. > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > drishtis can be > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > special aspects there > > are > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > astrologer ,translator > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > varga lordship within > > a > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > role to play. > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > is what.Moreover > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > those who are still > > not > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > understanding in Varga > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > Santhanams comment.There > > is > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Namaskaar Sri Kursija Jyotish walks hand in hand with astronomy till Astronomy serves it. Astronomy is a subset of it. When Jyotish talks of special aspects of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, would you have astronomical proof that light, gravitational force or vibration energy has reached the imagined divisions of the 360 degrees? Would you also explain Rashi drishti in this light? In view of the same, Jyotish is not purely astronomy but goes much beyond. It is supposed to be far ahead except for the nonacceptance of openness my some members. Just a few of my thoughts. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/27/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: > > Respected members of the forum, > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > healthy way of discussion. > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > aspect refers to an angular distance > between two celestial bodies measured along the > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > not allows the same, we should reject the same > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > the data of the astrology according to the present > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > and seasons, say mundane events. > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40> > > > > wrote: > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > patience.How many times > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > which i have > > answered the same question to you. > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > could notexplain > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > think this tactic > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > have said. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > In <%40>, > " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > varga charts? I am > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > used aspects. You > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > with his 10th line > > of > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > with first 9 > > lines > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > there and so son). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > <%40>, > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > about the drishti > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > chapter. > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > based on > > longitude. > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > drishtis can be > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > special aspects there > > are > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > astrologer ,translator > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > varga lordship within > > a > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > role to play. > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > is what.Moreover > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > those who are still > > not > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > understanding in Varga > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > Santhanams comment.There > > is > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Bharat ji Very well said. Yes - jyotish works on mutual synergy between planets for any event delivery. Why in trine relations are good and why not square? By only few planets used for the predictive astrology? why use mandi / gulika, Yama etc? Why D chakra at all? Why ashtakvarga? why annual progress chart? Why dasha phala and constellation lordship? Astronomy may not have any answers - all in jyotish can not be pure astronomy. regards / Prafulla , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Kursija > > Jyotish walks hand in hand with astronomy till Astronomy serves it. > Astronomy is a subset of it. When Jyotish talks of special aspects of Mars, > Jupiter and Saturn, would you have astronomical proof that light, > gravitational force or vibration energy has reached the imagined divisions > of the 360 degrees? Would you also explain Rashi drishti in this light? > > In view of the same, Jyotish is not purely astronomy but goes much beyond. > It is supposed to be far ahead except for the nonacceptance of openness my > some members. > > Just a few of my thoughts. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 7/27/07, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: > > > > Respected members of the forum, > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > > healthy way of discussion. > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep<vijayadas_pradeep%40> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > patience.How many times > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > > which i have > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > > could notexplain > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > > think this tactic > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > > have said. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > In <%40>, > > " Prafulla Gang " > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > > varga charts? I am > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > > used aspects. You > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > > with his 10th line > > > of > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > > with first 9 > > > lines > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > > about the drishti > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > > based on > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > > drishtis can be > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > > special aspects there > > > are > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > > varga lordship within > > > a > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > > role to play. > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > > is what.Moreover > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > > those who are still > > > not > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > > understanding in Varga > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > > Santhanams comment.There > > > is > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji I am not repeating his words wrongly. Do you think while translating BPHS he was not aware of opposition.This is the basics rule for aspect.So you are saying Late Santhanam was not aware of oppositions in Varga charts at the time of Translation. Now did you try to understand Grahasphuta drishti kadhanadhyaya.Did you read the article from Mr.Bose. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > There is no tactics..you are repeating his view wrongly, and i am > pointing that mistake. is it not painful, that you are not willing to > read his articles before coming to conclusion - as to what does he > say. Is it not funny that - you consider opposition in D charts as not > aspect, whereas he is categoric about it. I am not twisting anything; > and just repeating as what I have read and understood. I have no > problems with your interpretation - except when you use Late > Santhanam's view on aspects to misquote him. Is it not unreasonable > that - you are using one of his translated shloka on aspects to put > your point. He did not say that aspects do not exist - but was of the > view that he could not understand that. May be by the time - he wrote > articles (over 8/10 years) - he must have understood it. Is jyotish > exploration not a journey? > > It is really pity that the whole thread is leading at - selective > quotes, misquotes, no prove of predictive fallacies of the people who > " wrongly used " , repeat mails and above all selective answers. When > someone asked you about other D charts - you skipped? When someone > asked about predicting Vimsama chart using your model - you again > skipped. If you feel, you may be in position to answer when - you > finish whitepaper and i must seriously wonder as to: > > a. Is it not wise to be quiet, until that is done? > b. Is it wise to put the theory to public, which is yet not fully > worked upon beyond D9? > c. is it wise to use selective quotes? I must repeat - if you do not > agree with Santhanam's point of view on Varga chakra - then why are > you quoting one shloka commentary - where he himself is supposedly > unclear? > d. Why to quote a incomplete knowledge - when you have not read his > articles - which i am quoting? > e. Why do not you want to trust his own interpretation model, and just > repeating - what he " meant " ? Read his notes on D3, D10 and many D charts. > > The discussion was never on use of rasi chart. We all know that Rasi > chart is very vital. But referring KN Rao again on Rasi chart is > nothing more than argument winning tactics. > > S0 sir - who has used tactics? > > I have no problem in patience and listening any meaningful dialog; but > personally I do not appreciate twisting and skipping tendencies. But > still i do not mind you repeating them 5 times a day, if it helps your > cause. You are not willing to appreciate the relevance of Pramana in > Parampara Jyotish. Parampara Jyotish is much richer and wider then few > books, all of us may want to quote to suit our convenience. But your > convenience need not be relevant to the wider cause !! > > regards / Prafulla > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How many times > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i have > > answered the same question to you. > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could notexplain > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this tactic > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have said. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? I am > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. You > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th line > > of > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first 9 > > lines > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so son). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the drishti > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on > > longitude. > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can be > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects there > > are > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > astrologer ,translator > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship within > > a > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to play. > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is what.Moreover > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are still > > not > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in Varga > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams comment.There > > is > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji I asked a simple question on Late Santhanam's view on varga chakra. You again skipped the reply. The answer could be simple yes or no. You are just repeating, without referring to the case study I presented from his published article. I also disclosed the personal discussion on Jup / Venus in 1 / 7 in d9 - where he had his opinion that their mutual aspects will be good for married life. Why do not we try this specific configuration in sample charts and see if it works or not. I have seen it working. The contention is not only the aspects in varga, but the interpretation of varga chart model. If I may add another question - please do tell me, if you do not agree with his varga chakra interpretation model - then why are you just quoting him selectively. If after all these clarifications - you are adamant to quote him - then, it is serious violation of jyotish exploration. I had the impression that - you are true explorer. regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > I am not repeating his words wrongly. > Do you think while translating BPHS he was not aware of > opposition.This is the basics rule for aspect.So you are saying Late > Santhanam was not aware of oppositions in Varga charts at the time > of Translation. > > Now did you try to understand Grahasphuta drishti kadhanadhyaya.Did > you read the article from Mr.Bose. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > > > There is no tactics..you are repeating his view wrongly, and i am > > pointing that mistake. is it not painful, that you are not willing > to > > read his articles before coming to conclusion - as to what does he > > say. Is it not funny that - you consider opposition in D charts as > not > > aspect, whereas he is categoric about it. I am not twisting > anything; > > and just repeating as what I have read and understood. I have no > > problems with your interpretation - except when you use Late > > Santhanam's view on aspects to misquote him. Is it not unreasonable > > that - you are using one of his translated shloka on aspects to put > > your point. He did not say that aspects do not exist - but was of > the > > view that he could not understand that. May be by the time - he > wrote > > articles (over 8/10 years) - he must have understood it. Is jyotish > > exploration not a journey? > > > > It is really pity that the whole thread is leading at - selective > > quotes, misquotes, no prove of predictive fallacies of the people > who > > " wrongly used " , repeat mails and above all selective answers. When > > someone asked you about other D charts - you skipped? When someone > > asked about predicting Vimsama chart using your model - you again > > skipped. If you feel, you may be in position to answer when - you > > finish whitepaper and i must seriously wonder as to: > > > > a. Is it not wise to be quiet, until that is done? > > b. Is it wise to put the theory to public, which is yet not fully > > worked upon beyond D9? > > c. is it wise to use selective quotes? I must repeat - if you do > not > > agree with Santhanam's point of view on Varga chakra - then why are > > you quoting one shloka commentary - where he himself is supposedly > > unclear? > > d. Why to quote a incomplete knowledge - when you have not read his > > articles - which i am quoting? > > e. Why do not you want to trust his own interpretation model, and > just > > repeating - what he " meant " ? Read his notes on D3, D10 and many D > charts. > > > > The discussion was never on use of rasi chart. We all know that > Rasi > > chart is very vital. But referring KN Rao again on Rasi chart is > > nothing more than argument winning tactics. > > > > S0 sir - who has used tactics? > > > > I have no problem in patience and listening any meaningful dialog; > but > > personally I do not appreciate twisting and skipping tendencies. > But > > still i do not mind you repeating them 5 times a day, if it helps > your > > cause. You are not willing to appreciate the relevance of Pramana > in > > Parampara Jyotish. Parampara Jyotish is much richer and wider then > few > > books, all of us may want to quote to suit our convenience. But > your > > convenience need not be relevant to the wider cause !! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How many > times > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i have > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could > notexplain > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this > tactic > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have said. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? > I am > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. > You > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th > line > > > of > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first > 9 > > > lines > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so > son). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the > drishti > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary(Samanya) > way of > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can > be > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects > there > > > are > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship > within > > > a > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to > play. > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is > what.Moreover > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are > still > > > not > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in > Varga > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams > comment.There > > > is > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji I have not skipped anything.If i understand English well,then i can understand from Late Santhanams views in Devakeralam and BPHS. There are thosand ways through a planet can influence.We are discussing graha drishti and Late Santhanam is clear. Regds Pradeep , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeep ji > > I asked a simple question on Late Santhanam's view on varga chakra. > You again skipped the reply. The answer could be simple yes or no. > > You are just repeating, without referring to the case study I > presented from his published article. I also disclosed the personal > discussion on Jup / Venus in 1 / 7 in d9 - where he had his opinion > that their mutual aspects will be good for married life. Why do not we > try this specific configuration in sample charts and see if it works > or not. I have seen it working. > > The contention is not only the aspects in varga, but the > interpretation of varga chart model. If I may add another question - > please do tell me, if you do not agree with his varga chakra > interpretation model - then why are you just quoting him selectively. > > If after all these clarifications - you are adamant to quote him - > then, it is serious violation of jyotish exploration. I had the > impression that - you are true explorer. > > regards / Prafulla > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > I am not repeating his words wrongly. > > Do you think while translating BPHS he was not aware of > > opposition.This is the basics rule for aspect.So you are saying Late > > Santhanam was not aware of oppositions in Varga charts at the time > > of Translation. > > > > Now did you try to understand Grahasphuta drishti kadhanadhyaya.Did > > you read the article from Mr.Bose. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > > > > > There is no tactics..you are repeating his view wrongly, and i am > > > pointing that mistake. is it not painful, that you are not willing > > to > > > read his articles before coming to conclusion - as to what does he > > > say. Is it not funny that - you consider opposition in D charts as > > not > > > aspect, whereas he is categoric about it. I am not twisting > > anything; > > > and just repeating as what I have read and understood. I have no > > > problems with your interpretation - except when you use Late > > > Santhanam's view on aspects to misquote him. Is it not unreasonable > > > that - you are using one of his translated shloka on aspects to put > > > your point. He did not say that aspects do not exist - but was of > > the > > > view that he could not understand that. May be by the time - he > > wrote > > > articles (over 8/10 years) - he must have understood it. Is jyotish > > > exploration not a journey? > > > > > > It is really pity that the whole thread is leading at - selective > > > quotes, misquotes, no prove of predictive fallacies of the people > > who > > > " wrongly used " , repeat mails and above all selective answers. When > > > someone asked you about other D charts - you skipped? When someone > > > asked about predicting Vimsama chart using your model - you again > > > skipped. If you feel, you may be in position to answer when - you > > > finish whitepaper and i must seriously wonder as to: > > > > > > a. Is it not wise to be quiet, until that is done? > > > b. Is it wise to put the theory to public, which is yet not fully > > > worked upon beyond D9? > > > c. is it wise to use selective quotes? I must repeat - if you do > > not > > > agree with Santhanam's point of view on Varga chakra - then why are > > > you quoting one shloka commentary - where he himself is supposedly > > > unclear? > > > d. Why to quote a incomplete knowledge - when you have not read his > > > articles - which i am quoting? > > > e. Why do not you want to trust his own interpretation model, and > > just > > > repeating - what he " meant " ? Read his notes on D3, D10 and many D > > charts. > > > > > > The discussion was never on use of rasi chart. We all know that > > Rasi > > > chart is very vital. But referring KN Rao again on Rasi chart is > > > nothing more than argument winning tactics. > > > > > > S0 sir - who has used tactics? > > > > > > I have no problem in patience and listening any meaningful dialog; > > but > > > personally I do not appreciate twisting and skipping tendencies. > > But > > > still i do not mind you repeating them 5 times a day, if it helps > > your > > > cause. You are not willing to appreciate the relevance of Pramana > > in > > > Parampara Jyotish. Parampara Jyotish is much richer and wider then > > few > > > books, all of us may want to quote to suit our convenience. But > > your > > > convenience need not be relevant to the wider cause !! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How many > > times > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i have > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could > > notexplain > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this > > tactic > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have said. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga charts? > > I am > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used aspects. > > You > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his 10th > > line > > > > of > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with first > > 9 > > > > lines > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and so > > son). > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about the > > drishti > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary (Samanya) > > way of > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based on > > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis can > > be > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special aspects > > there > > > > are > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga lordship > > within > > > > a > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to > > play. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is > > what.Moreover > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who are > > still > > > > not > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in > > Varga > > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams > > comment.There > > > > is > > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep ji is it? We are discussing d chakra not the drishti only? You again skipped the case study referred. Well..let it be ..as long as he is not misquoted or selectively quoted to mislead the house in the name of Late Santhanam. regards / Prafulla , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji > > I have not skipped anything.If i understand English well,then i can > understand from Late Santhanams views in Devakeralam and BPHS. > There are thosand ways through a planet can influence.We are > discussing graha drishti and Late Santhanam is clear. > > Regds > Pradeep > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > I asked a simple question on Late Santhanam's view on varga chakra. > > You again skipped the reply. The answer could be simple yes or no. > > > > You are just repeating, without referring to the case study I > > presented from his published article. I also disclosed the personal > > discussion on Jup / Venus in 1 / 7 in d9 - where he had his opinion > > that their mutual aspects will be good for married life. Why do > not we > > try this specific configuration in sample charts and see if it > works > > or not. I have seen it working. > > > > The contention is not only the aspects in varga, but the > > interpretation of varga chart model. If I may add another > question - > > please do tell me, if you do not agree with his varga chakra > > interpretation model - then why are you just quoting him > selectively. > > > > If after all these clarifications - you are adamant to quote him - > > then, it is serious violation of jyotish exploration. I had the > > impression that - you are true explorer. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > I am not repeating his words wrongly. > > > Do you think while translating BPHS he was not aware of > > > opposition.This is the basics rule for aspect.So you are saying > Late > > > Santhanam was not aware of oppositions in Varga charts at the > time > > > of Translation. > > > > > > Now did you try to understand Grahasphuta drishti > kadhanadhyaya.Did > > > you read the article from Mr.Bose. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > There is no tactics..you are repeating his view wrongly, and i > am > > > > pointing that mistake. is it not painful, that you are not > willing > > > to > > > > read his articles before coming to conclusion - as to what > does he > > > > say. Is it not funny that - you consider opposition in D > charts as > > > not > > > > aspect, whereas he is categoric about it. I am not twisting > > > anything; > > > > and just repeating as what I have read and understood. I have > no > > > > problems with your interpretation - except when you use Late > > > > Santhanam's view on aspects to misquote him. Is it not > unreasonable > > > > that - you are using one of his translated shloka on aspects > to put > > > > your point. He did not say that aspects do not exist - but was > of > > > the > > > > view that he could not understand that. May be by the time - > he > > > wrote > > > > articles (over 8/10 years) - he must have understood it. Is > jyotish > > > > exploration not a journey? > > > > > > > > It is really pity that the whole thread is leading at - > selective > > > > quotes, misquotes, no prove of predictive fallacies of the > people > > > who > > > > " wrongly used " , repeat mails and above all selective answers. > When > > > > someone asked you about other D charts - you skipped? When > someone > > > > asked about predicting Vimsama chart using your model - you > again > > > > skipped. If you feel, you may be in position to answer when - > you > > > > finish whitepaper and i must seriously wonder as to: > > > > > > > > a. Is it not wise to be quiet, until that is done? > > > > b. Is it wise to put the theory to public, which is yet not > fully > > > > worked upon beyond D9? > > > > c. is it wise to use selective quotes? I must repeat - if you > do > > > not > > > > agree with Santhanam's point of view on Varga chakra - then > why are > > > > you quoting one shloka commentary - where he himself is > supposedly > > > > unclear? > > > > d. Why to quote a incomplete knowledge - when you have not > read his > > > > articles - which i am quoting? > > > > e. Why do not you want to trust his own interpretation model, > and > > > just > > > > repeating - what he " meant " ? Read his notes on D3, D10 and > many D > > > charts. > > > > > > > > The discussion was never on use of rasi chart. We all know > that > > > Rasi > > > > chart is very vital. But referring KN Rao again on Rasi chart > is > > > > nothing more than argument winning tactics. > > > > > > > > S0 sir - who has used tactics? > > > > > > > > I have no problem in patience and listening any meaningful > dialog; > > > but > > > > personally I do not appreciate twisting and skipping > tendencies. > > > But > > > > still i do not mind you repeating them 5 times a day, if it > helps > > > your > > > > cause. You are not willing to appreciate the relevance of > Pramana > > > in > > > > Parampara Jyotish. Parampara Jyotish is much richer and wider > then > > > few > > > > books, all of us may want to quote to suit our convenience. > But > > > your > > > > convenience need not be relevant to the wider cause !! > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing patience.How > many > > > times > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in which i > have > > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he could > > > notexplain > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you think this > > > tactic > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i have > said. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of varga > charts? > > > I am > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even used > aspects. > > > You > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree with his > 10th > > > line > > > > > of > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree with > first > > > 9 > > > > > lines > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses there and > so > > > son). > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks about > the > > > drishti > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or ordinary > (Samanya) > > > way of > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti based > on > > > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha drishtis > can > > > be > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has special > aspects > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their strength as > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on varga > lordship > > > within > > > > > a > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no role to > > > play. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what is > > > what.Moreover > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for those who > are > > > still > > > > > not > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my understanding in > > > Varga > > > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late Santhanams > > > comment.There > > > > > is > > > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Prafulla ji, Yes, we don't know many many secrets. As the learning was mostly through Guru-Shishya parampara in our ancient times, not everything was systematically documented. Even whatever was dcoumented probably needs some key to understand properly. People at those times were afraid of knowledge being passed on to wrong hands who could mis-use it. Hence, they passed on to their shishyas orally after getting the confidence that they will not misuse and pass on the knowledge to the right people in the next generation. In the process, much knowledge has been lost. If we can understand the principles behind what we blindly follow today, I am sure Astrology can be established as the Supreme Science. Of course, this is not the job of one individual or something that can be completed in a life time. It might take decades or even centuries. I am trying to explore this science as a science and not as a bunch of dictums to be followed. But, I see that it is going to be a very tough and a very slow process. Nevertheless, I will not give up. Regards, Krishna --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Krishna ji > > You have raised a very valid point. It is is highly unlikely > that > almost all failed collectively, or they did not have wisdom to > explore. They might have seen it working and perhaps - they > all were > privy to many jyotish literature / paramapara secrets - which > we do > not know. > > regards / Prafulla > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Khursija ji, > > > > Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this logic only > I > > statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers used > > aspects in varga charts? What is the principle behind it? > > > > If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many astrologers > who > > have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology have > > confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they not > > understand these principles of Astronomy? They must have > found > > some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. Otherwise, > > they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, what is > that > > reason or principle that made them use aspects in varga > charts? > > I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my answers. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > --- " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > > > Respected members of the forum, > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > > > healthy way of discussion. > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > > patience.How many times > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > > > which i have > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > > > could notexplain > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > > > think this tactic > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > > > have said. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > > > varga charts? I am > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > > > used aspects. You > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > > > with his 10th line > > > > of > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > > > with first 9 > > > > lines > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > > > about the drishti > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > > > based on > > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > > > drishtis can be > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > > > special aspects there > > > > are > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > > > varga lordship within > > > > a > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > > > role to play. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > > > is what.Moreover > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > > > those who are still > > > > not > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > > > understanding in Varga > > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > > > Santhanams comment.There > > > > is > > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Written in the right spirit SJ , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > Yes, we don't know many many secrets. As the learning was mostly > through Guru-Shishya parampara in our ancient times, not > everything was systematically documented. Even whatever was > dcoumented probably needs some key to understand properly. > People at those times were afraid of knowledge being passed on > to wrong hands who could mis-use it. Hence, they passed on to > their shishyas orally after getting the confidence that they > will not misuse and pass on the knowledge to the right people in > the next generation. In the process, much knowledge has been > lost. If we can understand the principles behind what we blindly > follow today, I am sure Astrology can be established as the > Supreme Science. Of course, this is not the job of one > individual or something that can be completed in a life time. It > might take decades or even centuries. > > I am trying to explore this science as a science and not as a > bunch of dictums to be followed. But, I see that it is going to > be a very tough and a very slow process. Nevertheless, I will > not give up. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Prafulla Gang jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > You have raised a very valid point. It is is highly unlikely > > that > > almost all failed collectively, or they did not have wisdom to > > explore. They might have seen it working and perhaps - they > > all were > > privy to many jyotish literature / paramapara secrets - which > > we do > > not know. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Khursija ji, > > > > > > Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this logic only > > I > > > statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers used > > > aspects in varga charts? What is the principle behind it? > > > > > > If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many astrologers > > who > > > have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology have > > > confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they not > > > understand these principles of Astronomy? They must have > > found > > > some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. Otherwise, > > > they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, what is > > that > > > reason or principle that made them use aspects in varga > > charts? > > > I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my answers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > --- " S.C. Kursija " sckursija@ wrote: > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum, > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > > > > healthy way of discussion. > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > > > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep vijayadas_pradeep@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > > > patience.How many times > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > > > > which i have > > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > > > > could notexplain > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > > > > think this tactic > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > > > > have said. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > > > > varga charts? I am > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > > > > used aspects. You > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > > > > with his 10th line > > > > > of > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > > > > with first 9 > > > > > lines > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > > > > about the drishti > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > > > > based on > > > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > > > > drishtis can be > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > > > > special aspects there > > > > > are > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > > > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > > > > varga lordship within > > > > > a > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > > > > role to play. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > > > > is what.Moreover > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > > > > those who are still > > > > > not > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > > > > understanding in Varga > > > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > > > > Santhanams comment.There > > > > > is > > > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Namaste Krishnaji A wonderful post and attitude. Thanks for the same. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 7/27/07, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > Yes, we don't know many many secrets. As the learning was mostly > through Guru-Shishya parampara in our ancient times, not > everything was systematically documented. Even whatever was > dcoumented probably needs some key to understand properly. > People at those times were afraid of knowledge being passed on > to wrong hands who could mis-use it. Hence, they passed on to > their shishyas orally after getting the confidence that they > will not misuse and pass on the knowledge to the right people in > the next generation. In the process, much knowledge has been > lost. If we can understand the principles behind what we blindly > follow today, I am sure Astrology can be established as the > Supreme Science. Of course, this is not the job of one > individual or something that can be completed in a life time. It > might take decades or even centuries. > > I am trying to explore this science as a science and not as a > bunch of dictums to be followed. But, I see that it is going to > be a very tough and a very slow process. Nevertheless, I will > not give up. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > You have raised a very valid point. It is is highly unlikely > > that > > almost all failed collectively, or they did not have wisdom to > > explore. They might have seen it working and perhaps - they > > all were > > privy to many jyotish literature / paramapara secrets - which > > we do > > not know. > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > <%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Khursija ji, > > > > > > Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this logic only > > I > > > statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers used > > > aspects in varga charts? What is the principle behind it? > > > > > > If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many astrologers > > who > > > have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology have > > > confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they not > > > understand these principles of Astronomy? They must have > > found > > > some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. Otherwise, > > > they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, what is > > that > > > reason or principle that made them use aspects in varga > > charts? > > > I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my answers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > --- " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum, > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > > > > healthy way of discussion. > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > > > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > > > patience.How many times > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > > > > which i have > > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > > > > could notexplain > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > > > > think this tactic > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > > > > have said. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > In <%40>, > " Prafulla Gang " > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > > > > varga charts? I am > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > > > > used aspects. You > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > > > > with his 10th line > > > > > of > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > > > > with first 9 > > > > > lines > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > , > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > > > > about the drishti > > > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > > > > based on > > > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > > > > drishtis can be > > > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > > > > special aspects there > > > > > are > > > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > > > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > > > > varga lordship within > > > > > a > > > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > > > > role to play. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > > > > is what.Moreover > > > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > > > > those who are still > > > > > not > > > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > > > > understanding in Varga > > > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > > > > Santhanams comment.There > > > > > is > > > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Sri Kursija, Astronomy doesn't define 9 planets as incarnations of Lord Vishnu. Astronomy doesn't define Rahu and Kethu as planets. Even Sun and Moon are not planets astronomically. Astronomy doesn't define planets into different castes like Brahmin, Khathriya, Vaishya and Sudra etc. THere are many things you cannot get from astronomy. Our seers gave Vedic astrology thousands of years ago, whereas the science of astronomy developed much later. If you start talking in strict astronomical sense, Vedic/Hindu astrology doesn't fit in there. The closest approximation to astronomy is only the Western astrology; which some people follow. Let us not be hypocritical. If we follow Vedic astrology, let us not feel bad to take the vedic astrology concepts as they are. Vedic astrology is more than science; it is divine science. You do not have to accept what I say. For that matter no one has to accept what I say. But, when you try to equate something, do not do it selectively. There is a concept of divinity superimposed over the astronomical facts; some concepts seem to be apparently known to us; there are many concepts not known or lost in the past centuries. Regards, Satya S Kolachina , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected members of the forum, > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > healthy way of discussion. > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > aspect refers to an angular distance > between two celestial bodies measured along the > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > not allows the same, we should reject the same > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > the data of the astrology according to the present > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > and seasons, say mundane events. > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > patience.How many times > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > which i have > > answered the same question to you. > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > could notexplain > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > think this tactic > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > have said. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > In , " Prafulla Gang " > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > varga charts? I am > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > used aspects. You > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > with his 10th line > > of > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > with first 9 > > lines > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > there and so son). > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > , > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > > about the drishti > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in earlier > > chapter. > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha drishti > > based on > > longitude. > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of Graha > > drishtis can be > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > special aspects there > > are > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any other > > astrologer ,translator > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > varga lordship within > > a > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi has no > > role to play. > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand what > > is what.Moreover > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > those who are still > > not > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > understanding in Varga > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > Santhanams comment.There > > is > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Bharat ji, Thanks for your kind note. Regards, Krishna --- Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu wrote: > Namaste Krishnaji > > A wonderful post and attitude. Thanks for the same. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 7/27/07, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: > > > > Dear Prafulla ji, > > > > Yes, we don't know many many secrets. As the learning was > mostly > > through Guru-Shishya parampara in our ancient times, not > > everything was systematically documented. Even whatever was > > dcoumented probably needs some key to understand properly. > > People at those times were afraid of knowledge being passed > on > > to wrong hands who could mis-use it. Hence, they passed on > to > > their shishyas orally after getting the confidence that they > > will not misuse and pass on the knowledge to the right > people in > > the next generation. In the process, much knowledge has been > > lost. If we can understand the principles behind what we > blindly > > follow today, I am sure Astrology can be established as the > > Supreme Science. Of course, this is not the job of one > > individual or something that can be completed in a life > time. It > > might take decades or even centuries. > > > > I am trying to explore this science as a science and not as > a > > bunch of dictums to be followed. But, I see that it is going > to > > be a very tough and a very slow process. Nevertheless, I > will > > not give up. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish <jyotish%40inbox.com>> > wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > > > > > You have raised a very valid point. It is is highly > unlikely > > > that > > > almost all failed collectively, or they did not have > wisdom to > > > explore. They might have seen it working and perhaps - > they > > > all were > > > privy to many jyotish literature / paramapara secrets - > which > > > we do > > > not know. > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Khursija ji, > > > > > > > > Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this logic > only > > > I > > > > statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers > used > > > > aspects in varga charts? What is the principle behind > it? > > > > > > > > If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many > astrologers > > > who > > > > have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology have > > > > confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they not > > > > understand these principles of Astronomy? They must have > > > found > > > > some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. > Otherwise, > > > > they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, what > is > > > that > > > > reason or principle that made them use aspects in varga > > > charts? > > > > I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my > answers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected members of the forum, > > > > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > > > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its own > > > > > merits. But the discussion is turning into criticism > > > > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is not a > > > > > healthy way of discussion. > > > > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who discuss > > > > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? The > > > > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > > > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based on > > > > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > > > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not be > > > > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in varga or > > > > > not. The varga are not configuration of the planets on > > > > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to look > > > > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > > > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of birth. > > > > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga are > > > > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or the > > > > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy and > > > > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > > > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we find > > > > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in favor of > > > > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that aspect > > > > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > > > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy does > > > > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > > > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. The > > > > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have converted > > > > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of human > > > > > kind and universe to understand the future. Respect > > > > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may be.The > > > > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > > > > explanation when event has taken place and try to fit > > > > > the event in astrology, but does not improve himself > > > > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the indian > > > > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and rectify > > > > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > > > > position of the planets and point of equinox so that > > > > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of rain > > > > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > > > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words have > > > > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > > > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > > > > patience.How many times > > > > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail in > > > > > > which i have > > > > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts -he > > > > > > could notexplain > > > > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do you > > > > > > think this tactic > > > > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about what i > > > > > > have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > In > <%40>, > > " Prafulla Gang " > > > > > > <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction of > > > > > > varga charts? I am > > > > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he even > > > > > > used aspects. You > > > > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do agree > > > > > > with his 10th line > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you agree > > > > > > with first 9 > > > > > > lines > > > > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, houses > > > > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > > , > > > > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS talks > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. http://farechase./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Seetharama Krishnamurthy, I shall be glad if you got success in your research. Good Luck, Blessed be. --- Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Khursija ji, > > Your argument is pretty logical. Because of this > logic only I > statrted searching reasons for why great Astrologers > used > aspects in varga charts? What is the principle > behind it? > > If the logic is so crystal clear, then why many > astrologers who > have spent their whole lifetime studying Astrology > have > confidently used aspects in varga charts? Did they > not > understand these principles of Astronomy? They must > have found > some valid reason to use aspects in varga charts. > Otherwise, > they wouldn't have committed such a blunder. If so, > what is that > reason or principle that made them use aspects in > varga charts? > I am in search of this. Hope someday I will get my > answers. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Respected members of the forum, > > I tried my best to keep away from this endless > > discussion but not with out poin. It has got its > own > > merits. But the discussion is turning into > criticism > > and trying to prove that other is worng. This is > not a > > healthy way of discussion. > > Up till now I have not seen any member Who > discuss > > the aspect. Why we have taken aspect in astrology? > The > > aspect refers to an angular distance > > > between two celestial bodies measured along the > > ecliptic. So all terms used in astrology are based > on > > astronomy. If we take into consideration the > > definition of aspect in astronomy, there will not > be > > any confusion whether we should use aspect in > varga or > > not. The varga are not configuration of the > planets on > > the bases of astronomy. We have created varga to > look > > deep into the different aspects of life. The rashi > > chart is the map of the planets at the time of > birth. > > It the nature position of the planets. The varga > are > > the creation of astrologers not the nature or > the > > Universe.Though Astrology is based on astronomy > and > > mathematic, but not whimsical. It is a science.So > > aspect should not be seen in vargas.If any how we > find > > out that one or two shlokas in one classic in > favor of > > use of aspects in varga, it does not prove that > aspect > > should be used in vergas.Why other classics are > > silent. Does astronomy allows it? If astronomy > does > > not allows the same, we should reject the same > > immediately. The astrology is based on astronomy. > The > > astronomy is not based on astrology. We have > converted > > astronomy into the astrology for the benefit of > human > > kind and universe to understand the future. > Respect > > the astronomy not any person who ever he may > be.The > > astrologers have developed the habit of giving > > explanation when event has taken place and try to > fit > > the event in astrology, but does not improve > himself > > and astrology. I have repeatedly requested the > indian > > astronomers and mathematicians to modify and > rectify > > the data of the astrology according to the present > > position of the planets and point of equinox so > that > > we may be able to predict earth quake,pattern of > rain > > and seasons, say mundane events. > > I do not want to criticise any one. If my words > have > > hurt any body, I feel sorry for the same. > > --- vijayadas_pradeep > <vijayadas_pradeep > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji > > > > > > This is really painful.You are really testing > > > patience.How many times > > > i have to tell you this.Should i bring the mail > in > > > which i have > > > answered the same question to you. > > > > > > I clealry said,since he considered Varga charts > -he > > > could notexplain > > > Lagna shadvargake shloka. > > > > > > Do you think others in this goup are fools.Do > you > > > think this tactic > > > will work.It is there in the archives ,about > what i > > > have said. > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > In , " Prafulla > Gang " > > > <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji > > > > > > > > Do you agree with Shri Santhanam's conviction > of > > > varga charts? I am > > > > repeatedly questioning your misquote, as he > even > > > used aspects. You > > > > should not refer himn selectively. You do > agree > > > with his 10th line > > > of > > > > the poem (i.e. aspects) , So I presume - you > agree > > > with first 9 > > > lines > > > > also (i.e. varga chakra, the yogas there, > houses > > > there and so son). > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > > > > > > , > > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected members > > > > > > > > > > Grahasphuta Drishti Kadhanadhyaya in BPHS > talks > > > about the drishti > > > > > other than Rashi drishti mentioned in > earlier > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > > > Here sage says,apart from the common or > > > ordinary(Samanya) way of > > > > > seeing raha drshti we can evaluate graha > drishti > > > based on > > > longitude. > > > > > > > > > > Then sage describes how the strength of > Graha > > > drishtis can be > > > > > evaluated.As Jupiter ,Mars and Saturn has > > > special aspects there > > > are > > > > > special rules mentioned to evaluate their > > > strength as well. > > > > > > > > > > So being the case,Shri Santhanam or any > other > > > astrologer ,translator > > > > > cannot have a different view. > > > > > > > > > > Now as varga placements are purely based on > > > varga lordship within > > > a > > > > > Rashi,the longitudinal identity and Rasmi > has no > > > role to play. > > > > > > > > > > This is enough for any studen to understand > what > > > is what.Moreover > > > > > shri Santhanam has categorically stated (for > > > those who are still > > > not > > > > > clear) that graha drishti is beyond my > > > understanding in Varga > > > Chakras. > > > > > > > > > > Thus i will not comment any more on Late > > > Santhanams comment.There > > > is > > > > > nothing more to add. > > > > > > > > > > Regds > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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