Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, With due respects to both of you, All the readers here are looking from you Men, the answers for What,When and How ? As soon as a chart comes in front of us, or when the native puts a query,what we require to do is answer the native as to - a) What would happen ? 2) When this would happen ? 3) How this would happen ? Any astrological discussions should lead us to the answer or pointers for any of the above questions, and should help us in being directed towards achieving the ends of the above . Any other discussion if prolonged, does not serve any purpose. Recently Respected Chandrasekharji is asking me to show any commentaries which is not based on Sanskrit shlokas. Such types of demands made by respected members is deviation from what should be, we are not here to suspect or discuss on the ancient astrological parlance used, neither any such doubts are there, at least in my mind. Sanskrit is important, but once we have moved ahead of that lobby , through the respected translators of last few hundred centuries, and also modern day, then we should be more into the application part of the knowledge derived,uptil now, with reference to the modern yuga. Whether Sanskrit was the language in ancient times or not, is not our subject of discussion, its a waste of time to discuss this part. Then why was the deviation made as usual by these prolific writers, instead of not addressing the other important queries ? Are they implying that those who do not know Sanskrit cannot learn, or should not learn astrology, or should leave astrology ? If that is the case then I would say, that all Non-Brahmins leave astrology. If You have studied Shri KN Rao properly, then you must be knowing or you should be knowing that he even allows and supports those astrologers in studying this divine science, who themselves cannot make charts manually or do not understand the mathematical nuances. I can authenticate this statement within 5 minutes,if required. Therefore instead of making deviations, uncalled for, I request you to please put the essence of what you have learnt after spending lifetime in learning and interpreting shlokas. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Throughout the discussions on " existence of D chakra and interpretation model " - Shri Pradeep (and Shri Satish - who was also suggesting the same model) did not suggest their interpretation model through a single chart. Whole discussion has been useless - if theory can be produced through charts in real life application. Shri Sunil John also suggested blind chart, you and many members presented charts - but they did not shown through charts. Have you seen a single such theory propogation without exhibition through charts? What doe sit imply? People have energy and free time to reply 200 mails - but not take challenge on chart requests presented on the forum? and They expect members to buy their opinion - without practical application. Is it not amazing !!! regards / Prafulla http://www.prafulla.net There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the glare that obscures. ************************************************ , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > With due respects to both of you, > > All the readers here are looking from you Men, > the answers for What,When and How ? > As soon as a chart comes in front of us, or when > the native puts a query,what we require to do is > answer the native as to - > a) What would happen ? > 2) When this would happen ? > 3) How this would happen ? > > Any astrological discussions should lead us to the > answer or pointers for any of the above questions, > and should help us in being directed towards > achieving the ends of the above . > Any other discussion if prolonged, does > not serve any purpose. > Recently Respected Chandrasekharji is asking me to > show any commentaries which is not based > on Sanskrit shlokas. Such types of demands made by > respected members is deviation from what should be, > we are not here to suspect or discuss on > the ancient astrological parlance used, neither > any such doubts are there, at least in my mind. > Sanskrit is important, but once we have moved ahead > of that lobby , through the respected translators > of last few hundred centuries, and also modern day, > then we should be more into the application part of > the knowledge derived,uptil now, with reference > to the modern yuga. > > Whether Sanskrit was the language in ancient times > or not, is not our subject of discussion, its a waste > of time to discuss this part. Then why was the deviation > made as usual by these prolific writers, instead of not > addressing the other important queries ? > > Are they implying that those who do not know Sanskrit > cannot learn, or should not learn astrology, or should > leave astrology ? If that is the case then I would say, > that all Non-Brahmins leave astrology. > > If You have studied Shri KN Rao properly, then you must > be knowing or you should be knowing that he even allows > and supports those astrologers in studying this divine > science, who themselves cannot make charts manually or > do not understand the mathematical nuances. I can > authenticate this statement within 5 minutes,if required. > > Therefore instead of making deviations, uncalled for, > I request you to please put the essence of what you have > learnt after spending lifetime in learning and interpreting > shlokas. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Shri Prafulla, Vijaydas has aptly said that he will present it in a paper in a structured way. As you indicate that model has not been presented with an example chart, I would like to point out that NO MODEl has been presented as to to how use Divisions as charts either. Just to say look at D-chart as a separate chart is not a model. How do we integrate it with rashi chart is not said anywhere. Just to indicate what is in D-chart and where is not a model. How to resolve conflict in rashi indication and D indication ? What if a dasha lord is a functional benefic for rashi but not for D chart. How would the dahsa behave, has anyone put up model for that ? I have never seen it, except for telling in mnay words what lord is where from AL in D chart extc. all circumloculation. Anyway. Wait for the paper. You beleive D-charts as a model you have understood, then use it. The common parlance is " It works for me " or " I have tested it on 1000 horoscopes " . Well there is no one who will ask to see the data as done in scientific literature. No one checks your log books or where those 1000s of horoscopes are. If you theorize shani aspects 2nd house because it works for you...use it. Thats why jyotish is free for all, and anything goes. Satish --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Throughout the discussions on " existence of D chakra > and > interpretation model " - Shri Pradeep (and Shri > Satish - who was also > suggesting the same model) did not suggest their > interpretation model > through a single chart. Whole discussion has been > useless - if theory > can be produced through charts in real life > application. Shri Sunil > John also suggested blind chart, you and many > members presented charts > - but they did not shown through charts. > > Have you seen a single such theory propogation > without exhibition > through charts? What doe sit imply? People have > energy and free time > to reply 200 mails - but not take challenge on chart > requests > presented on the forum? and They expect members to > buy their opinion - > without practical application. Is it not amazing !!! > > regards / Prafulla > http://www.prafulla.net > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that > illumines, and (b) the > glare that obscures. > > ************************************************ > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > With due respects to both of you, > > > > All the readers here are looking from you Men, > > the answers for What,When and How ? > > As soon as a chart comes in front of us, or when > > the native puts a query,what we require to do is > > answer the native as to - > > a) What would happen ? > > 2) When this would happen ? > > 3) How this would happen ? > > > > Any astrological discussions should lead us to the > > > answer or pointers for any of the above questions, > > and should help us in being directed towards > > achieving the ends of the above . > > Any other discussion if prolonged, does > > not serve any purpose. > > Recently Respected Chandrasekharji is asking me to > > show any commentaries which is not based > > on Sanskrit shlokas. Such types of demands made by > > > respected members is deviation from what should > be, > > we are not here to suspect or discuss on > > the ancient astrological parlance used, neither > > any such doubts are there, at least in my mind. > > Sanskrit is important, but once we have moved > ahead > > of that lobby , through the respected translators > > of last few hundred centuries, and also modern > day, > > then we should be more into the application part > of > > the knowledge derived,uptil now, with reference > > to the modern yuga. > > > > Whether Sanskrit was the language in ancient times > > > or not, is not our subject of discussion, its a > waste > > of time to discuss this part. Then why was the > deviation > > made as usual by these prolific writers, instead > of not > > addressing the other important queries ? > > > > Are they implying that those who do not know > Sanskrit > > cannot learn, or should not learn astrology, or > should > > leave astrology ? If that is the case then I would > say, > > that all Non-Brahmins leave astrology. > > > > If You have studied Shri KN Rao properly, then you > must > > be knowing or you should be knowing that he even > allows > > and supports those astrologers in studying this > divine > > science, who themselves cannot make charts > manually or > > do not understand the mathematical nuances. I can > > authenticate this statement within 5 minutes,if > required. > > > > Therefore instead of making deviations, uncalled > for, > > I request you to please put the essence of what > you have > > learnt after spending lifetime in learning and > interpreting > > shlokas. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Satish ji Nice to see you back.Hope you had a good vacation. My point is can anyone talk with authenticity that the explanations given using Varga chakra theories(claimed) as compared to Vargas (advised by sages) - is the reason for an event to happen. I have explained this point in proof of pudding theory. Even the case of twins etc - We have not explored or understood numerous amshas like shshtyamsha etc,forget about nadiamshas -which can hold valuable secrets.Do we think counting houses everywhere is the ultimate solution.If that is so do these individuals crying about Vimshamsha think,others cannot write stories?.If we do not know,we can live with what we know.Again let us learn how to fly a kite. But as mentioned many times in the past,if anyone personally feels these theories are working,it is respected as personal views.But why should they shout against,those, who are not even violating a single rule as mentioned by sages.Moreover the ones who are sticking to fundamentals are termed as ''new proposers''. As you have rightly mentioned,within ones capacity one will try to explain the case -Why ''varga chakras'' fail to meet conditions for getting treatment equal to Rashi Chakra -objectively(Rules mentioned in BPHS).Examples will be provided. After Queen Elisabeth example Krishna ji didnt care to give a reply.It was demonstrating clearly,as the yogas were NOT repeating from ''Varga Chakras''. We respect others.At the same time we have own right to explain our case in an objective fashion with pramana as compared to -''It works for me''.If anybody is having difference kindly give technical explanation and not one page of abusive mail and jokes. Regds Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Shri Prafulla, > > Vijaydas has aptly said that he will present it in a > paper in a structured way. As you indicate that model > has not been presented with an example chart, I would > like to point out that NO MODEl has been presented as > to to how use Divisions as charts either. Just to say > look at D-chart as a separate chart is not a model. > How do we integrate it with rashi chart is not said > anywhere. Just to indicate what is in D-chart and > where is not a model. How to resolve conflict in rashi > indication and D indication ? What if a dasha lord is > a functional benefic for rashi but not for D chart. > How would the dahsa behave, has anyone put up model > for that ? I have never seen it, except for telling in > mnay words what lord is where from AL in D chart extc. > all circumloculation. > > Anyway. Wait for the paper. You beleive D-charts as a > model you have understood, then use it. The common > parlance is " It works for me " or " I have tested it on > 1000 horoscopes " . Well there is no one who will ask to > see the data as done in scientific literature. No one > checks your log books or where those 1000s of > horoscopes are. If you theorize shani aspects 2nd > house because it works for you...use it. Thats why > jyotish is free for all, and anything goes. > > Satish > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > Throughout the discussions on " existence of D chakra > > and > > interpretation model " - Shri Pradeep (and Shri > > Satish - who was also > > suggesting the same model) did not suggest their > > interpretation model > > through a single chart. Whole discussion has been > > useless - if theory > > can be produced through charts in real life > > application. Shri Sunil > > John also suggested blind chart, you and many > > members presented charts > > - but they did not shown through charts. > > > > Have you seen a single such theory propogation > > without exhibition > > through charts? What doe sit imply? People have > > energy and free time > > to reply 200 mails - but not take challenge on chart > > requests > > presented on the forum? and They expect members to > > buy their opinion - > > without practical application. Is it not amazing !!! > > > > regards / Prafulla > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that > > illumines, and (b) the > > glare that obscures. > > > > ************************************************ > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > With due respects to both of you, > > > > > > All the readers here are looking from you Men, > > > the answers for What,When and How ? > > > As soon as a chart comes in front of us, or when > > > the native puts a query,what we require to do is > > > answer the native as to - > > > a) What would happen ? > > > 2) When this would happen ? > > > 3) How this would happen ? > > > > > > Any astrological discussions should lead us to the > > > > > answer or pointers for any of the above questions, > > > and should help us in being directed towards > > > achieving the ends of the above . > > > Any other discussion if prolonged, does > > > not serve any purpose. > > > Recently Respected Chandrasekharji is asking me to > > > show any commentaries which is not based > > > on Sanskrit shlokas. Such types of demands made by > > > > > respected members is deviation from what should > > be, > > > we are not here to suspect or discuss on > > > the ancient astrological parlance used, neither > > > any such doubts are there, at least in my mind. > > > Sanskrit is important, but once we have moved > > ahead > > > of that lobby , through the respected translators > > > of last few hundred centuries, and also modern > > day, > > > then we should be more into the application part > > of > > > the knowledge derived,uptil now, with reference > > > to the modern yuga. > > > > > > Whether Sanskrit was the language in ancient times > > > > > or not, is not our subject of discussion, its a > > waste > > > of time to discuss this part. Then why was the > > deviation > > > made as usual by these prolific writers, instead > > of not > > > addressing the other important queries ? > > > > > > Are they implying that those who do not know > > Sanskrit > > > cannot learn, or should not learn astrology, or > > should > > > leave astrology ? If that is the case then I would > > say, > > > that all Non-Brahmins leave astrology. > > > > > > If You have studied Shri KN Rao properly, then you > > must > > > be knowing or you should be knowing that he even > > allows > > > and supports those astrologers in studying this > > divine > > > science, who themselves cannot make charts > > manually or > > > do not understand the mathematical nuances. I can > > > authenticate this statement within 5 minutes,if > > required. > > > > > > Therefore instead of making deviations, uncalled > > for, > > > I request you to please put the essence of what > > you have > > > learnt after spending lifetime in learning and > > interpreting > > > shlokas. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dear Pradeepji and Satish, What is the sense of starting this episode once again ? Ample proof of varga charts being used by KN Rao,BV Raman and Santhanam have been given. What more is required ? Why should anyone further give proof any more ? And why should one give proof at all, when he is not propogating a new theory ? The one who is acting contradictory to the normal understood norms, has to provide proof, and not the others, Yet the proof has been provided amply. What more proof does one require, when one is not ready to a ccept the great men as great ? Nobody is crying about Vimsamsa chart ? At least I dont care , I have told this directly many times to you.I have realised long back, the depth of water in the big Jug, and the noise coming out is also enough proof even for a blind man. to know the depth of water in the big jug. Let us not chide at each other and respectfully mantain our stay here, and avoid those topics which unnecessarily fan, ill will. regards, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Satish ji > > Nice to see you back.Hope you had a good vacation. > My point is can anyone talk with authenticity that the explanations > given using Varga chakra theories(claimed) as compared to Vargas > (advised by sages) - is the reason for an event to happen. > I have explained this point in proof of pudding theory. > > Even the case of twins etc - We have not explored or understood > numerous amshas like shshtyamsha etc,forget about nadiamshas -which > can hold valuable secrets.Do we think counting houses everywhere is > the ultimate solution.If that is so do these individuals crying > about Vimshamsha think,others cannot write stories?.If we do not > know,we can live with what we know.Again let us learn how to fly a > kite. > > But as mentioned many times in the past,if anyone personally feels > these theories are working,it is respected as personal views.But why > should they shout against,those, who are not even violating a single > rule as mentioned by sages.Moreover the ones who are sticking to > fundamentals are termed as ''new proposers''. > > As you have rightly mentioned,within ones capacity one will try to > explain the case -Why ''varga chakras'' fail to meet conditions for > getting treatment equal to Rashi Chakra -objectively(Rules mentioned > in BPHS).Examples will be provided. > > After Queen Elisabeth example Krishna ji didnt care to give a > reply.It was demonstrating clearly,as the yogas were NOT repeating > from ''Varga Chakras''. > > We respect others.At the same time we have own right to explain our > case in an objective fashion with pramana as compared to -''It works > for me''.If anybody is having difference kindly give technical > explanation and not one page of abusive mail and jokes. > > Regds > Pradeep > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Shri Prafulla, > > > > Vijaydas has aptly said that he will present it in a > > paper in a structured way. As you indicate that model > > has not been presented with an example chart, I would > > like to point out that NO MODEl has been presented as > > to to how use Divisions as charts either. Just to say > > look at D-chart as a separate chart is not a model. > > How do we integrate it with rashi chart is not said > > anywhere. Just to indicate what is in D-chart and > > where is not a model. How to resolve conflict in rashi > > indication and D indication ? What if a dasha lord is > > a functional benefic for rashi but not for D chart. > > How would the dahsa behave, has anyone put up model > > for that ? I have never seen it, except for telling in > > mnay words what lord is where from AL in D chart extc. > > all circumloculation. > > > > Anyway. Wait for the paper. You beleive D-charts as a > > model you have understood, then use it. The common > > parlance is " It works for me " or " I have tested it on > > 1000 horoscopes " . Well there is no one who will ask to > > see the data as done in scientific literature. No one > > checks your log books or where those 1000s of > > horoscopes are. If you theorize shani aspects 2nd > > house because it works for you...use it. Thats why > > jyotish is free for all, and anything goes. > > > > Satish > > --- Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > > > > > Throughout the discussions on " existence of D chakra > > > and > > > interpretation model " - Shri Pradeep (and Shri > > > Satish - who was also > > > suggesting the same model) did not suggest their > > > interpretation model > > > through a single chart. Whole discussion has been > > > useless - if theory > > > can be produced through charts in real life > > > application. Shri Sunil > > > John also suggested blind chart, you and many > > > members presented charts > > > - but they did not shown through charts. > > > > > > Have you seen a single such theory propogation > > > without exhibition > > > through charts? What doe sit imply? People have > > > energy and free time > > > to reply 200 mails - but not take challenge on chart > > > requests > > > presented on the forum? and They expect members to > > > buy their opinion - > > > without practical application. Is it not amazing !!! > > > > > > regards / Prafulla > > > http://www.prafulla.net > > > > > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that > > > illumines, and (b) the > > > glare that obscures. > > > > > > ************************************************ > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeepji and Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > With due respects to both of you, > > > > > > > > All the readers here are looking from you Men, > > > > the answers for What,When and How ? > > > > As soon as a chart comes in front of us, or when > > > > the native puts a query,what we require to do is > > > > answer the native as to - > > > > a) What would happen ? > > > > 2) When this would happen ? > > > > 3) How this would happen ? > > > > > > > > Any astrological discussions should lead us to the > > > > > > > answer or pointers for any of the above questions, > > > > and should help us in being directed towards > > > > achieving the ends of the above . > > > > Any other discussion if prolonged, does > > > > not serve any purpose. > > > > Recently Respected Chandrasekharji is asking me to > > > > show any commentaries which is not based > > > > on Sanskrit shlokas. Such types of demands made by > > > > > > > respected members is deviation from what should > > > be, > > > > we are not here to suspect or discuss on > > > > the ancient astrological parlance used, neither > > > > any such doubts are there, at least in my mind. > > > > Sanskrit is important, but once we have moved > > > ahead > > > > of that lobby , through the respected translators > > > > of last few hundred centuries, and also modern > > > day, > > > > then we should be more into the application part > > > of > > > > the knowledge derived,uptil now, with reference > > > > to the modern yuga. > > > > > > > > Whether Sanskrit was the language in ancient times > > > > > > > or not, is not our subject of discussion, its a > > > waste > > > > of time to discuss this part. Then why was the > > > deviation > > > > made as usual by these prolific writers, instead > > > of not > > > > addressing the other important queries ? > > > > > > > > Are they implying that those who do not know > > > Sanskrit > > > > cannot learn, or should not learn astrology, or > > > should > > > > leave astrology ? If that is the case then I would > > > say, > > > > that all Non-Brahmins leave astrology. > > > > > > > > If You have studied Shri KN Rao properly, then you > > > must > > > > be knowing or you should be knowing that he even > > > allows > > > > and supports those astrologers in studying this > > > divine > > > > science, who themselves cannot make charts > > > manually or > > > > do not understand the mathematical nuances. I can > > > > authenticate this statement within 5 minutes,if > > > required. > > > > > > > > Therefore instead of making deviations, uncalled > > > for, > > > > I request you to please put the essence of what > > > you have > > > > learnt after spending lifetime in learning and > > > interpreting > > > > shlokas. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________ > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your > story. Play Sims Stories at Games. > > http://sims./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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