Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Om Datta Guru Dear Prafulla, Very sorry for delay in replying to ur mails. Just behind lot of mails. Would write in short. I changed the heading since I read this line > It is indeed suprising to know that you do not want to disclose the > opinion of Shri KN Rao on it. Nobody asked you to reveal his opinion > on your chart etc. But we requested you to share his technical opinion > on interpretation of Shri KN Rao..and you found that unreasonable. If > so - then, why even raise the thread and theory on the forum - at the > cost of time and space of the forum !! Of all the members present here I have seen ur response only, maybe i missed response of other members. See this is the reason i feel there is NO HONEST ASTROLOGY in lists. People start discussions, in technical manner and there is no moderation and then they have the audacity to accuse others of non technical discussion when in the first place, this is the old KNRao list and if we do not know what KNRao has told him or on this list on this topic then whats the use of quoting other scholars opinion on the same without quoting Rao Sahebs view. Is that not an insult to Rao saheb. a) Is the intention then of people just to win arguments or create arguments and show victory by not disclosing what KNRao said to them b) Or is the intention to do HONEST ASTROLOGY learning. c) Why are such people even allowed to raise a technical debate when the intention is not pure d) If we do not want to share knowledge here then why create a community in the first place or initiate a discussion. e) Since many here do not share their knowledge i also feel in being secretive not that i know anything, but this attitude reflects that many learned here are keeping quiet since they have seen how these lists function and such members can admit with guts that they do not want to say what Rao Saheb said, worst is there is no one to put it in their face except a few. So I admire u for ur guts Sir and of all others. But that statement saddened me that right from the start there was no intention of TRUE DISCUSSION then all that has been done is PURE WASTE OF TIME and there is no moderation on such things and infact such people are called Ji's by members here. No doubt as our elders say we do not know whom to respect and as Munna Bhai said 'Bapu would say today india has become of others (Paraya hogaya)' (we do not know who we are) My humble suggestion is to ignore such members and posts, thats what i do as i do not have time of spending a month discussing with anyone any technical point when their intention is only not pure. When they are argumentative (thats not the nimitta of true knowledge) for the sake of winning and not learning astrology. best wishes Sunil John Mumbai , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji, > > Obviously it is your prerogative what to disclose or not - but then on > any technical debates, it is prudent to disclose the opinion of senior > astrologers. I did the same and shared explanation of Late Shri > Santhanam on aspects in varga chakra. > > It is indeed suprising to know that you do not want to disclose the > opinion of Shri KN Rao on it. Nobody asked you to reveal his opinion > on your chart etc. But we requested you to share his technical opinion > on interpretation of Shri KN Rao..and you found that unreasonable. If > so - then, why even raise the thread and theory on the forum - at the > cost of time and space of the forum !! > > Well -- people can be accused of being non technical, but just reread > your comments and decide. Did you offer to reply on the charts > produced by members through your model? On the contrary - members > produced examples through various books / astrologers and shown how it > was read with charts. But you found that non technical !! Why two > standards. I have yet to receive reply on one simple question, on > which I wanted you to reply in YES or NO..but throughout the > discussions - answers were selective to suit convenience. > > I observed your recent discussion with Shri Chandrasekhar ji also, > where he quoted from shlokas and classics - but when they did not suit > your opinion - again the threads were diverted. > > Also - the thread at later stage amongst members was diverted to > aspects in D chakra - whereas the whole contention was on existence of > separate D chakra, yogas therein, and of course aspects. Also - > questions on other varga chakra (other than D9) was skipped. > > With all these twists and misquotes - you are still alleging members > as unreasonable lot..why? just because - your entire theory could not > be proved through predictive application with clear exhibition of > predictive fallacies? > > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > There are two kinds of light: (a) the glow that illumines, and (b) the > glare that obscures. > > ************************************************ > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > I have great respect for Raoji and this is not based on anybody's > > view or anybody's recomemndation. > > > > It is purely based on my interaction with him.Regarding Karakamsha > > etc i have had discussions with Raoji.He has explained the Saturn AK > > example to me. > > > > Also he has given me many advises and the gentleman is humble enough > > to write to a student like me. > > > > Regarding Varga chakras - Whether i have tried in the past to > > discuss or raise the point is between Raoji and me.I do not want to > > disclose it. > > > > As far as Jyotish is concerned,i as a student can raise > > concerns.There are two ways in which one can react. > > > > 1)Shri PVR rao did discuss with me.I had reached the same stage as i > > have reached with Chandrashekhar ji.Aspect in Rashi.All off a sudden > > shri PVR Rao said something this and that ...pradeep sets rules > > c...changes etc and left the debate.I cannot force anyone to stay. > > > > 2)Shri Sanjay Rath -He too joined the debate and discussed points > > well.But i respect the way he ended the debate.He asked me ..ami > > supposed to know everything.This is honest.Shri Rath may be a > > scholar and he perhaps knows (honestly) 1000 things in Jyotish that > > i dont know.But there can be one thing which holds true in the > > reverse case.This honesty is different from accusing the other and > > leaving the debate. > > > > 3)I am thankful to Chandrashekhar ji for his patience and replies. > > > > 4)There can be another way of ending debates by frustarting the > > other,no technical points and say he is like this ,this person is > > like this etc.I have no hatred towards that person as well. > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina " > > <skolachi@> wrote: > > > > > > Sunil, > > > > > > Excellent post. I just want to say one thing. > > > Though I am not a direct student of Sri KNRao, I learnt a lot from > > > his books and I tried maximum to defend Sri KNRao and his approach. > > > > > > But my final word is, Sri KNRao is beyond all these matters. He > > > might have faced worst opposiion in the past. In my opinion, he > > > doesn't need anyone to defend his approach, as his approach is > > > itself self-defensive. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Satya S Kolachina > > > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 " > > > <suniljohn_2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla, > > > > > > > > > > > > KNR and Vargas > > > > 10) These people claim so much of closeness to KNRao but how > > come > > > they > > > > cant quote a single interaction with him on the Context of this > > > > discussion, thats the very basis of KNRs system. How come they > > can > > > > always say KNR said this, KNR told me that, how come they have > > not > > > asked > > > > him the very basis of his system > > > > > > > > Thankless Students of - KNRao and Sanjay > > > > 11) 2 weeks back i was accused by an astrologer to one of my > > > friends > > > > that i do not share my methods, do I know astrology enough is > > the > > > first > > > > honest question, next is what use is of sharing astrology. This > > > list has > > > > so many members who have learnt from KNRaos brilliant posts on > > > this list > > > > from so many yrs and also this list contains students of Sanjay > > > Rath, > > > > Visti Larsen and PVR. Have any of those students come forward in > > > > explaining the views of their Gurus, some might be busy but i > > see > > > so > > > > many members who are active but refrain from defending their > > > teachers > > > > and mentors like KNRao. This is the problem with us, we are all > > > > spineless. We might be wrong or right in the astro knowledge but > > > atleast > > > > we must come in defence of our teachers but we cant. This is > > what > > > i > > > > referred to PR Astrology earlier and i always repeat true > > astrology > > > > never comes to spineless creatures max one can learn is from > > what > > > is > > > > written but real astrology that works is never written and will > > > never be > > > > and hence we find many real parampara people will never write a > > > book, > > > > never ever they will write. They know what happens to them after > > > they > > > > reveal the real knowledge. Anybody who has travelled in india > > and > > > met > > > > these kinds whom i talk about know what i am talking about. > > > > > > > > Twins > > > > 12) I had replied on this earlier, the very basis of how we see > > > charts > > > > is not the most appropriate way. But still someone said that do > > we > > > use > > > > Vargas when we see charts of Twins. Santhanam has written > > volumes > > > of > > > > pages on it those interested can browse his works. In so many > > nadis > > > > there is mention of this, alas there is not a single authority > > > alive who > > > > can teach us that real astrology. The point is we are all > > talking > > > on the > > > > external layer when thats not the hardcore foolproof way of > > seeing > > > > charts, what we are doing is kid stuff and only elementary > > > prediction > > > > can come out of it that too if we are too capable and blessed. > > > > > > > > Aspects & Divisional Charts > > > > 13) To disprove aspects in the white paper we must first disprove > > > > Divisional Charts and then show how to use it, where other > > writers > > > have > > > > gone wrong. It can be selective avoidance of issues addressed > > > here. once > > > > a paper is presented it should be so crystal clear n crisp that > > > follow > > > > up questions need to be minimal otherwise the paper is poorly > > > written. > > > > If i say this is the way to use Navamsha then i must also show u > > > how to > > > > use D20, D45 otherwise its like teaching u half way with my half > > > baked > > > > knowledge. > > > > A person who is crystal clear in his intent with purity would > > not > > > avoid > > > > these questions in his teachings. > > > > > > > > Frustration > > > > 14) Some members who are new here do not have the background to > > > see for > > > > how many yrs this discussion has been happening, repeatedly and > > > > endlessly. In 2-3 yrs i would have written a book on that topic > > > instead. > > > > It is this repeated discussion with selective answering without > > any > > > > practical display of new theories or maybe old ones are what > > makes > > > us > > > > frustrated to reply like this. Why the lack of patience among old > > > > members and why they choose to exit out of this group. I always > > > repeat > > > > Lack of Moderation is a key issue in this group. > > > > > > > > Now I must end this and get out of the list, its been a useless > > > waste of > > > > energies in the last 1 month. This same topic happens over and > > > over and > > > > i still wait for them to erect 13 charts of Sagi lagna to see if > > > it is > > > > Sagi lagna or not since the last 1 yr. Still i wait for them to > > > erect > > > > more than 15 charts of Mahapurusha yoga to see if MPY is present > > > in it > > > > or not. In 1.5 yrs they did not get time to do this, I think it > > > takes 30 > > > > mins maximum, hence i avoid discussions as its only Campism here > > in > > > > jyotish forums and no true seeking of knowledge. > > > > > > > > Today the tables are turned and after 2.5yrs (Shani) one has to > > > taste > > > > ones own medicines of Campism and PR astrology. As In Home > > Alone - > > > Kevin > > > > says 'Eat this' or was it in MJ video > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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