Why are you all fighting? (Instead of predicting our futures? Assholes)

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Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear RP Singh ji,

 

I do not wish to comment on Pradeepji. He is as much

dear to me as others are.And about you, too I do not

wish to comment unnecessarily. For me its a simple

rule, if one comments on me, then I comment on him,

otherwise I do not.

 

Another thing, one cannot turn humble by slapping

some one and then suddenly saying that I am humble.

 

So lets not tow that line.

 

I hope you would not comment on me again, and give me the

opportunity to retaliate.

 

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

>

> You can go on with your comments. I have learnt to be humble from

> Pradeep ji, who is a scholar with unmatched knowledge.

>

> Regards,

>

> RP Singh

>

>

>

>

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > RP Singh,

> >

> > Yes You were one of the friends that time who

> > supported Sreenadh. And I know why you can co-relate

> > with the word I used " Stupid friends " and " rats " .

> > You feel guilty.

> >

> > Instead of trying to push Bhaskar away, why dont

> > you talk sensible on astrology and prove that You

> > are smart.

> >

> > At least I am honest. and talk from the heart.

> >

> > At least I am trying to stop the

> > unnecessary arguments from continuing.

> >

> > If you have some sense then note that I am not

> > taking any sides, but talking the truth

> > and want all to mantain their self respect.

> >

> > I wish no fights should continue here.

> >

> > What has been your contribution ?

> >

> > This is your 4th or 5th mail

> > where you have shown your jealousy and inadequacy by

> > trying to take the Moderators sympathy,but for what

> > cause ?

> >

> > Mr RP Singh, dont confirm that all Singhs are stupid,

> > by this mail. Dont enter any thread if you have nothing

> > to contribute.

> >

> > Dont try to take sides of injustice.

> >

> > Dont try to look good when you have nothing to

> > show that you are good.

> >

> > Did you ask the Moderator to remove Sreenadh from

> > the Forum

> > 'when he used the word " Mother fuc..r " for me ?

> > Where was your Punjabi Manliness gone that time

> > or Your Bhraminness ?

> >

> > Were you sleeping with a overdose of Depressants

> > that you kept quiet that time?

> > Why suddenly awakened now ?

> >

> > Why talk on behalf of the silent majority ?

> > Are you their leader ?

> >

> > Who made you their leader ? What proof ?

> >

> > Just be away and keep quiet.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected moderator,

> > >

> > > Sir, the message of Mr Bhaskar is very offensive to say the

> least.

> > > He has no right to use such words as " stupid friends " or "

> > > rats " , " idiotic and senseless tark "

> > >

> > > I believe that the silent majority in the group feels the same

> way.

> > >

> > > Sir, I think you should put the group on moderation to stop such

> > > occurings over and over again.

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > RP Singh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > Only a person who does not mind sweeping, is fit

> > > > to sit on the Kings throne.

> > > >

> > > > Only a person who knows to request for pardon,

> > > > and accept his mistakes can control others.

> > > >

> > > > Let us face the truth. You have done only tarka

> > > > and no pramana has come forth from your side.

> > > >

> > > > Yet without even proper clothing to face the

> > > > freezing cold, and with a small blunt knife

> > > > not even good enought to cut vegetables ,You

> > > > are trying to be a great warrior on the Kargil

> > > > front, is amusing.

> > > >

> > > > Your stupid friends have left. Sreenadh,Satish or

> > > > Sateesh whatever and few others. It is a clear

> > > > display of rats skipmpering and leaving the ship

> > > > first when it is about to sink.

> > > >

> > > > The first rat- Sreenadh- who also misquotes the

> > > > Shastras and misinterprets them to his advantage,

> > > > to create artificial hype in public , about his

> > > > greatness,has left. Whatever little knowledge

> > > > you had was contributed from him, as he projects

> > > > in all Forums, as soon as he left, you had nothing

> > > > to contribute, but just defending yourself like a

> > > > women with transparent clothing.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji, I respect you much, to see you in

> > > > such a position. Have you not seen how Chandrasekharji

> > > > has rubbed you everyday with his mails since a fortnight ?

> > > > And he was right, and you were wrong. Therefore he had

> > > > full right to rub you. But why were you in such a vulnerable

> > > > position ? because You kept yourself open,with your idiotic

> > > > and senseless tarka without any pramana and sang (

> > > > Companionship) of fools whom you thought

> > > > would support you and defend your interpretations or

> > > > misinterpretations. But where are these rats now ?

> > > > Why are you left alone ?

> > > >

> > > > Who knows for real that who is right ?

> > > > Either You or Chandrasekharji ?

> > > >

> > > > Only time would show. Till then why dont you

> > > > keep quiet, instead of allowing yourself

> > > > to be rubbed by one and all. What is the harm in

> > > > accepting your defeat ? Why such a Big EGO ?

> > > > For the time being accept that You may be wrong and

> > > > they may be right.

> > > >

> > > > In the meanwhile consolidate your studies, do some

> > > > research, prove your principles through theseis and

> > > > publish them. Then all those who have been rubbing

> > > > you, would start touching Your feet .

> > > >

> > > > But at the moment you have no ammunitions

> > > > to defend yourself, so just dont

> > > > make a fool of yourself.

> > > >

> > > > Accept silence and pardon.

> > > > Period,

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I repeat,we have to take a relook at basics whenever in

> > > doubt.This

> > > > > does not mean K.N.Raoji does not know basics -it is your

> > > > > interpretation.I am no man to judge whether Raoji has

> understood

> > > > > basics or not.It is beyond my capacities.He may be having

> his

> > > own

> > > > > reasons.It is upto him to say whe he use aspects.Not me.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me i have presented my case with Tarka and Pramana.Now i

> > > will

> > > > > present my views in a structured fashion.Those who wish can

> > > respond.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding,Kalyan Varma etc ...explanations were

> > > given.Chandrashekhar

> > > > > ji had explained to shri Rohini ranjan in the past

> > > too.Supporting

> > > > > Pramana will be given in the paper.

> > > > >

> > > > > Late Santhanams view -no more comment.When Lste Santhanam

> has

> > > > > written in plain English in BPHS...there is no point in

> > > discussing

> > > > > your views about opposition,though one can respect it as

> > > personal

> > > > > view.

> > > > >

> > > > > You may keep on trying to create rift between people,if you

> love

> > > to

> > > > > do so.Let us see whether you succeed or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vijayaads Pradeep is different from

> > > > > Srutakeerthi,Jeevasharma,Garga,Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri

> > > etc.Thus it

> > > > > is not my Sanskrit interpretation.But you may try this

> tactic

> > > again

> > > > > if you have nothing technical to offer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to remind you politely,efforts to create rift

> will

> > > > > remain unsuccesful.But whether to continue this or not is

> upto

> > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > For me if i have to concentrate on my duties and

> > > > > promises.Oppoistions and obstacles are normal.I have been an

> > > > > optimist and will always remain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would like to mention a few words regarding the

> attempts

> > > made

> > > > > by a

> > > > > > > some.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)When one is asked to have a relook at the basics - It

> > > is ''high

> > > > > > > lighted'' by some as ''K.N.Rao does not know basics''.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] Well, Pradeep ji - your statements on forum can

> not

> > > > > have two meanings - one for Shri KN Rao and another one for

> > > members

> > > > > arguing with you. We did not comment on anyone's basics, but

> it

> > > was

> > > > > you who were questioning " basics " of the members with

> respect to

> > > D

> > > > > chakra and its interpretation. You were mentioning that

> sages

> > > said

> > > > > this, whereas they were your opinion on what " sages "

> mentioned.

> > > So

> > > > > when people not agreeing to your opinion can be subjected to

> > > those

> > > > > forceful questioning on " basics " , then why not all those

> people,

> > > > > whose views are in contrast to your view. You should have

> been

> > > > > careful in your comments in questioning " basics " of the

> people

> > > who

> > > > > are not agreeing to your view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)When Points are presented with the help of Tarka and

> > > > > Pramana,one

> > > > > > > may counter them through Tarka and Pramana.Unfortunately

> it

> > > is

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > as a vehicle to create rift between K.N.Raoji and his

> > > students as

> > > > > > > well as between K.N.Raoji and individuals having good

> > > rapport

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] Pradeep ji, I am indeed surprised to see your

> > > > > objections, if your opinion is conveyed to Shri KN rao

> > > > > in " verbatim " . Trust me, If I meet him - I will not twist

> your

> > > > > words, but will produce your own mails. So now you mean to

> say

> > > that -

> > > > > those mails must not be applicable to him? Let this tarka

> and

> > > > > pramana theory from your own perspective, be also known to

> him.

> > > and

> > > > > With my rapport with him since 1993, let me advise you - so

> he

> > > > > likes jyotish exploration. So where is the question of any

> rift?

> > > If

> > > > > it is your own words are troubling you, then it was your

> call

> > > dear.

> > > > > None of the other members, questioned the " basics " including

> of

> > > > > yours.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Satya did object to your contents of your mail

> > > on " basics " ,

> > > > > but you persisted with forceful conversion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moreover some are not interested in knowing the

> Truth,but to

> > > > > > > aggravate things and create rift and fight.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? We all presented classics (Kalyan

> Varma),

> > > case

> > > > > studies (late Santhanam) and opinion of so many learned

> people.

> > > But

> > > > > you kept on overruling them for your whims and now asking

> for

> > > truth

> > > > > and praman. It was never twisted or misquoted - but by you

> all

> > > the

> > > > > time to win the argument. Can truth only be those things,

> which

> > > you

> > > > > propogated?. and Can pramana can only be your sankstri

> > > translations?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3)When such comments are ignored - some say,one is

> selective.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? You ignored the predicitve challenges on

> the

> > > > > chart. You ignored case studies of Late Santhanam. You

> ignored

> > > so

> > > > > many areas, where members presented - but you always opted

> to

> > > > > consider those points (even in articles), which suited your

> > > > > argument. So sir, had we been closed minded - we would not

> have

> > > > > discussed at all. But if you reread all the mails and select

> the

> > > > > points skipped - then it may taken another long list of

> mails to

> > > be

> > > > > answered.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is so sad to see how people are unable to take

> Jyotish

> > > > > debates in

> > > > > > > an objective sense.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If somebody is not in agreement with a particular

> > > understanding

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > > scholar - it can no way mean,one is degrading that

> scholar

> > > as a

> > > > > > > whole.But unfortunately some are trying to create rift

> > > between

> > > > > > > individuals and twist Jyotish debates as disrespect

> towards

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] Who degraded any scholar? who questioned the

> basics

> > > of

> > > > > the people? Sir - if you are so sure of your opinion then,

> what

> > > is

> > > > > the problem? None of us except you, have implied a single

> > > negative

> > > > > comment on any learned person. When Shri Chandrasekhar ji

> > > explained

> > > > > the views available in classics - you even rediculed those

> > > sages. At

> > > > > one stage, you said that BV Raman did not read Dashadhayayi.

> So

> > > sir

> > > > > please restrain defending your lies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In that case there is no need for discussion groups or

> > > > > debates.Every

> > > > > > > one can say i am in the group of Raoji,Sanjayji etc as

> in

> > > > > politics

> > > > > > > and support individual manifestos.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Prafulla] well - if any argument is restricted to closed

> > > minded

> > > > > approach with trust being implied, ponly when suiting your

> > > argument -

> > > > > then certainly such debates have no place. But if

> astrologer is

> > > > > capable to predict with his interpretation model, then only

> it

> > > is

> > > > > called PRAMANA. Until then - it is only called bright ideas -

>

> > > not

> > > > > necessarily genuine one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No one is supporting any manifestos. It is you - who are

> > > choosing

> > > > > political terms. We simply respect, what each scholar says -

> and

> > > > > want to see it it works or not? Can you prove with the

> > > predictive

> > > > > challenges? if yes - we can have debates on any astrological

> > > > > principle.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > >

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> believe

> > > > > there are two kinds of people in the world and those who

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[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat-Yasmin,

 

Are you a Hindu or Muslim or mixed breed ?

 

Why do you call astrologers discussing here as assholes ?

 

Why do you think that

they are sitting here to predict your futures ?

Why do you take this for granted ?

Are you our unofficial children that we should predict

for You ?

 

Is this a seva ashram or Dharamshala ?

 

Please answer like a good man.

And do not talk dirty please, we can use better language

then what you have used.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " venkat.yasmin "

<venkat.yasmin wrote:

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear RP Singh ji,

>

> I do not wish to comment on Pradeepji. He is as much

> dear to me as others are.And about you, too I do not

> wish to comment unnecessarily. For me its a simple

> rule, if one comments on me, then I comment on him,

> otherwise I do not.

>

> Another thing, one cannot turn humble by slapping

> some one and then suddenly saying that I am humble.

>

> So lets not tow that line.

>

> I hope you would not comment on me again, and give me the

> opportunity to retaliate.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> >

> > You can go on with your comments. I have learnt to be humble from

> > Pradeep ji, who is a scholar with unmatched knowledge.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > RP Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > RP Singh,

> > >

> > > Yes You were one of the friends that time who

> > > supported Sreenadh. And I know why you can co-relate

> > > with the word I used " Stupid friends " and " rats " .

> > > You feel guilty.

> > >

> > > Instead of trying to push Bhaskar away, why dont

> > > you talk sensible on astrology and prove that You

> > > are smart.

> > >

> > > At least I am honest. and talk from the heart.

> > >

> > > At least I am trying to stop the

> > > unnecessary arguments from continuing.

> > >

> > > If you have some sense then note that I am not

> > > taking any sides, but talking the truth

> > > and want all to mantain their self respect.

> > >

> > > I wish no fights should continue here.

> > >

> > > What has been your contribution ?

> > >

> > > This is your 4th or 5th mail

> > > where you have shown your jealousy and inadequacy by

> > > trying to take the Moderators sympathy,but for what

> > > cause ?

> > >

> > > Mr RP Singh, dont confirm that all Singhs are stupid,

> > > by this mail. Dont enter any thread if you have nothing

> > > to contribute.

> > >

> > > Dont try to take sides of injustice.

> > >

> > > Dont try to look good when you have nothing to

> > > show that you are good.

> > >

> > > Did you ask the Moderator to remove Sreenadh from

> > > the Forum

> > > 'when he used the word " Mother fuc..r " for me ?

> > > Where was your Punjabi Manliness gone that time

> > > or Your Bhraminness ?

> > >

> > > Were you sleeping with a overdose of Depressants

> > > that you kept quiet that time?

> > > Why suddenly awakened now ?

> > >

> > > Why talk on behalf of the silent majority ?

> > > Are you their leader ?

> > >

> > > Who made you their leader ? What proof ?

> > >

> > > Just be away and keep quiet.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected moderator,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, the message of Mr Bhaskar is very offensive to say the

> > least.

> > > > He has no right to use such words as " stupid friends " or "

> > > > rats " , " idiotic and senseless tark "

> > > >

> > > > I believe that the silent majority in the group feels the same

> > way.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I think you should put the group on moderation to stop such

> > > > occurings over and over again.

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > RP Singh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Only a person who does not mind sweeping, is fit

> > > > > to sit on the Kings throne.

> > > > >

> > > > > Only a person who knows to request for pardon,

> > > > > and accept his mistakes can control others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us face the truth. You have done only tarka

> > > > > and no pramana has come forth from your side.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yet without even proper clothing to face the

> > > > > freezing cold, and with a small blunt knife

> > > > > not even good enought to cut vegetables ,You

> > > > > are trying to be a great warrior on the Kargil

> > > > > front, is amusing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your stupid friends have left. Sreenadh,Satish or

> > > > > Sateesh whatever and few others. It is a clear

> > > > > display of rats skipmpering and leaving the ship

> > > > > first when it is about to sink.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first rat- Sreenadh- who also misquotes the

> > > > > Shastras and misinterprets them to his advantage,

> > > > > to create artificial hype in public , about his

> > > > > greatness,has left. Whatever little knowledge

> > > > > you had was contributed from him, as he projects

> > > > > in all Forums, as soon as he left, you had nothing

> > > > > to contribute, but just defending yourself like a

> > > > > women with transparent clothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji, I respect you much, to see you in

> > > > > such a position. Have you not seen how Chandrasekharji

> > > > > has rubbed you everyday with his mails since a fortnight ?

> > > > > And he was right, and you were wrong. Therefore he had

> > > > > full right to rub you. But why were you in such a vulnerable

> > > > > position ? because You kept yourself open,with your idiotic

> > > > > and senseless tarka without any pramana and sang (

> > > > > Companionship) of fools whom you thought

> > > > > would support you and defend your interpretations or

> > > > > misinterpretations. But where are these rats now ?

> > > > > Why are you left alone ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Who knows for real that who is right ?

> > > > > Either You or Chandrasekharji ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Only time would show. Till then why dont you

> > > > > keep quiet, instead of allowing yourself

> > > > > to be rubbed by one and all. What is the harm in

> > > > > accepting your defeat ? Why such a Big EGO ?

> > > > > For the time being accept that You may be wrong and

> > > > > they may be right.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the meanwhile consolidate your studies, do some

> > > > > research, prove your principles through theseis and

> > > > > publish them. Then all those who have been rubbing

> > > > > you, would start touching Your feet .

> > > > >

> > > > > But at the moment you have no ammunitions

> > > > > to defend yourself, so just dont

> > > > > make a fool of yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Accept silence and pardon.

> > > > > Period,

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I repeat,we have to take a relook at basics whenever in

> > > > doubt.This

> > > > > > does not mean K.N.Raoji does not know basics -it is your

> > > > > > interpretation.I am no man to judge whether Raoji has

> > understood

> > > > > > basics or not.It is beyond my capacities.He may be having

> > his

> > > > own

> > > > > > reasons.It is upto him to say whe he use aspects.Not me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me i have presented my case with Tarka and Pramana.Now i

> > > > will

> > > > > > present my views in a structured fashion.Those who wish can

> > > > respond.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding,Kalyan Varma etc ...explanations were

> > > > given.Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > ji had explained to shri Rohini ranjan in the past

> > > > too.Supporting

> > > > > > Pramana will be given in the paper.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Late Santhanams view -no more comment.When Lste Santhanam

> > has

> > > > > > written in plain English in BPHS...there is no point in

> > > > discussing

> > > > > > your views about opposition,though one can respect it as

> > > > personal

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may keep on trying to create rift between people,if you

> > love

> > > > to

> > > > > > do so.Let us see whether you succeed or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vijayaads Pradeep is different from

> > > > > > Srutakeerthi,Jeevasharma,Garga,Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri

> > > > etc.Thus it

> > > > > > is not my Sanskrit interpretation.But you may try this

> > tactic

> > > > again

> > > > > > if you have nothing technical to offer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to remind you politely,efforts to create rift

> > will

> > > > > > remain unsuccesful.But whether to continue this or not is

> > upto

> > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me if i have to concentrate on my duties and

> > > > > > promises.Oppoistions and obstacles are normal.I have been an

> > > > > > optimist and will always remain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to mention a few words regarding the

> > attempts

> > > > made

> > > > > > by a

> > > > > > > > some.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)When one is asked to have a relook at the basics - It

> > > > is ''high

> > > > > > > > lighted'' by some as ''K.N.Rao does not know basics''.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Well, Pradeep ji - your statements on forum can

> > not

> > > > > > have two meanings - one for Shri KN Rao and another one for

> > > > members

> > > > > > arguing with you. We did not comment on anyone's basics, but

> > it

> > > > was

> > > > > > you who were questioning " basics " of the members with

> > respect to

> > > > D

> > > > > > chakra and its interpretation. You were mentioning that

> > sages

> > > > said

> > > > > > this, whereas they were your opinion on what " sages "

> > mentioned.

> > > > So

> > > > > > when people not agreeing to your opinion can be subjected to

> > > > those

> > > > > > forceful questioning on " basics " , then why not all those

> > people,

> > > > > > whose views are in contrast to your view. You should have

> > been

> > > > > > careful in your comments in questioning " basics " of the

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > are not agreeing to your view.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)When Points are presented with the help of Tarka and

> > > > > > Pramana,one

> > > > > > > > may counter them through Tarka and Pramana.Unfortunately

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > as a vehicle to create rift between K.N.Raoji and his

> > > > students as

> > > > > > > > well as between K.N.Raoji and individuals having good

> > > > rapport

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Pradeep ji, I am indeed surprised to see your

> > > > > > objections, if your opinion is conveyed to Shri KN rao

> > > > > > in " verbatim " . Trust me, If I meet him - I will not twist

> > your

> > > > > > words, but will produce your own mails. So now you mean to

> > say

> > > > that -

> > > > > > those mails must not be applicable to him? Let this tarka

> > and

> > > > > > pramana theory from your own perspective, be also known to

> > him.

> > > > and

> > > > > > With my rapport with him since 1993, let me advise you - so

> > he

> > > > > > likes jyotish exploration. So where is the question of any

> > rift?

> > > > If

> > > > > > it is your own words are troubling you, then it was your

> > call

> > > > dear.

> > > > > > None of the other members, questioned the " basics " including

> > of

> > > > > > yours.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Satya did object to your contents of your mail

> > > > on " basics " ,

> > > > > > but you persisted with forceful conversion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moreover some are not interested in knowing the

> > Truth,but to

> > > > > > > > aggravate things and create rift and fight.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? We all presented classics (Kalyan

> > Varma),

> > > > case

> > > > > > studies (late Santhanam) and opinion of so many learned

> > people.

> > > > But

> > > > > > you kept on overruling them for your whims and now asking

> > for

> > > > truth

> > > > > > and praman. It was never twisted or misquoted - but by you

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > time to win the argument. Can truth only be those things,

> > which

> > > > you

> > > > > > propogated?. and Can pramana can only be your sankstri

> > > > translations?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3)When such comments are ignored - some say,one is

> > selective.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? You ignored the predicitve challenges on

> > the

> > > > > > chart. You ignored case studies of Late Santhanam. You

> > ignored

> > > > so

> > > > > > many areas, where members presented - but you always opted

> > to

> > > > > > consider those points (even in articles), which suited your

> > > > > > argument. So sir, had we been closed minded - we would not

> > have

> > > > > > discussed at all. But if you reread all the mails and select

> > the

> > > > > > points skipped - then it may taken another long list of

> > mails to

> > > > be

> > > > > > answered.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is so sad to see how people are unable to take

> > Jyotish

> > > > > > debates in

> > > > > > > > an objective sense.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If somebody is not in agreement with a particular

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > scholar - it can no way mean,one is degrading that

> > scholar

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > whole.But unfortunately some are trying to create rift

> > > > between

> > > > > > > > individuals and twist Jyotish debates as disrespect

> > towards

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Who degraded any scholar? who questioned the

> > basics

> > > > of

> > > > > > the people? Sir - if you are so sure of your opinion then,

> > what

> > > > is

> > > > > > the problem? None of us except you, have implied a single

> > > > negative

> > > > > > comment on any learned person. When Shri Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > explained

> > > > > > the views available in classics - you even rediculed those

> > > > sages. At

> > > > > > one stage, you said that BV Raman did not read Dashadhayayi.

> > So

> > > > sir

> > > > > > please restrain defending your lies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In that case there is no need for discussion groups or

> > > > > > debates.Every

> > > > > > > > one can say i am in the group of Raoji,Sanjayji etc as

> > in

> > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > and support individual manifestos.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] well - if any argument is restricted to closed

> > > > minded

> > > > > > approach with trust being implied, ponly when suiting your

> > > > argument -

> > > > > > then certainly such debates have no place. But if

> > astrologer is

> > > > > > capable to predict with his interpretation model, then only

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > called PRAMANA. Until then - it is only called bright ideas -

> >

> > > > not

> > > > > > necessarily genuine one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No one is supporting any manifestos. It is you - who are

> > > > choosing

> > > > > > political terms. We simply respect, what each scholar says -

> > and

> > > > > > want to see it it works or not? Can you prove with the

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > challenges? if yes - we can have debates on any astrological

> > > > > > principle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " There are two kinds of people in the world, those who

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[Guest guest]

My dear Bhaskar Asshole,

 

Why do you care, if I am Hindu or Musim? I am calling these fucking

astrologers as assholes, because instead of predicting my future, each of them

is accusing and insulting the other astrologer. So what is the use?

 

No astrologers bothers to answer my questions and each astrologer gives me

different predictions about my future and I am CONFUSED and I dont know whom to

believe and whom to NOT.

 

I called these fighting astrologers as ASHOLES and NOT the good astrologers..

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Venkat-Yasmin,

 

Are you a Hindu or Muslim or mixed breed ?

 

Why do you call astrologers discussing here as assholes ?

 

Why do you think that

they are sitting here to predict your futures ?

Why do you take this for granted ?

Are you our unofficial children that we should predict

for You ?

 

Is this a seva ashram or Dharamshala ?

 

Please answer like a good man.

And do not talk dirty please, we can use better language

then what you have used.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, " venkat.yasmin "

<venkat.yasmin wrote:

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear RP Singh ji,

>

> I do not wish to comment on Pradeepji. He is as much

> dear to me as others are.And about you, too I do not

> wish to comment unnecessarily. For me its a simple

> rule, if one comments on me, then I comment on him,

> otherwise I do not.

>

> Another thing, one cannot turn humble by slapping

> some one and then suddenly saying that I am humble.

>

> So lets not tow that line.

>

> I hope you would not comment on me again, and give me the

> opportunity to retaliate.

>

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> >

> > You can go on with your comments. I have learnt to be humble from

> > Pradeep ji, who is a scholar with unmatched knowledge.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > RP Singh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > RP Singh,

> > >

> > > Yes You were one of the friends that time who

> > > supported Sreenadh. And I know why you can co-relate

> > > with the word I used " Stupid friends " and " rats " .

> > > You feel guilty.

> > >

> > > Instead of trying to push Bhaskar away, why dont

> > > you talk sensible on astrology and prove that You

> > > are smart.

> > >

> > > At least I am honest. and talk from the heart.

> > >

> > > At least I am trying to stop the

> > > unnecessary arguments from continuing.

> > >

> > > If you have some sense then note that I am not

> > > taking any sides, but talking the truth

> > > and want all to mantain their self respect.

> > >

> > > I wish no fights should continue here.

> > >

> > > What has been your contribution ?

> > >

> > > This is your 4th or 5th mail

> > > where you have shown your jealousy and inadequacy by

> > > trying to take the Moderators sympathy,but for what

> > > cause ?

> > >

> > > Mr RP Singh, dont confirm that all Singhs are stupid,

> > > by this mail. Dont enter any thread if you have nothing

> > > to contribute.

> > >

> > > Dont try to take sides of injustice.

> > >

> > > Dont try to look good when you have nothing to

> > > show that you are good.

> > >

> > > Did you ask the Moderator to remove Sreenadh from

> > > the Forum

> > > 'when he used the word " Mother fuc..r " for me ?

> > > Where was your Punjabi Manliness gone that time

> > > or Your Bhraminness ?

> > >

> > > Were you sleeping with a overdose of Depressants

> > > that you kept quiet that time?

> > > Why suddenly awakened now ?

> > >

> > > Why talk on behalf of the silent majority ?

> > > Are you their leader ?

> > >

> > > Who made you their leader ? What proof ?

> > >

> > > Just be away and keep quiet.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected moderator,

> > > >

> > > > Sir, the message of Mr Bhaskar is very offensive to say the

> > least.

> > > > He has no right to use such words as " stupid friends " or "

> > > > rats " , " idiotic and senseless tark "

> > > >

> > > > I believe that the silent majority in the group feels the same

> > way.

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I think you should put the group on moderation to stop such

> > > > occurings over and over again.

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > RP Singh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Only a person who does not mind sweeping, is fit

> > > > > to sit on the Kings throne.

> > > > >

> > > > > Only a person who knows to request for pardon,

> > > > > and accept his mistakes can control others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us face the truth. You have done only tarka

> > > > > and no pramana has come forth from your side.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yet without even proper clothing to face the

> > > > > freezing cold, and with a small blunt knife

> > > > > not even good enought to cut vegetables ,You

> > > > > are trying to be a great warrior on the Kargil

> > > > > front, is amusing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your stupid friends have left. Sreenadh,Satish or

> > > > > Sateesh whatever and few others. It is a clear

> > > > > display of rats skipmpering and leaving the ship

> > > > > first when it is about to sink.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first rat- Sreenadh- who also misquotes the

> > > > > Shastras and misinterprets them to his advantage,

> > > > > to create artificial hype in public , about his

> > > > > greatness,has left. Whatever little knowledge

> > > > > you had was contributed from him, as he projects

> > > > > in all Forums, as soon as he left, you had nothing

> > > > > to contribute, but just defending yourself like a

> > > > > women with transparent clothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeepji, I respect you much, to see you in

> > > > > such a position. Have you not seen how Chandrasekharji

> > > > > has rubbed you everyday with his mails since a fortnight ?

> > > > > And he was right, and you were wrong. Therefore he had

> > > > > full right to rub you. But why were you in such a vulnerable

> > > > > position ? because You kept yourself open,with your idiotic

> > > > > and senseless tarka without any pramana and sang (

> > > > > Companionship) of fools whom you thought

> > > > > would support you and defend your interpretations or

> > > > > misinterpretations. But where are these rats now ?

> > > > > Why are you left alone ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Who knows for real that who is right ?

> > > > > Either You or Chandrasekharji ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Only time would show. Till then why dont you

> > > > > keep quiet, instead of allowing yourself

> > > > > to be rubbed by one and all. What is the harm in

> > > > > accepting your defeat ? Why such a Big EGO ?

> > > > > For the time being accept that You may be wrong and

> > > > > they may be right.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the meanwhile consolidate your studies, do some

> > > > > research, prove your principles through theseis and

> > > > > publish them. Then all those who have been rubbing

> > > > > you, would start touching Your feet .

> > > > >

> > > > > But at the moment you have no ammunitions

> > > > > to defend yourself, so just dont

> > > > > make a fool of yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Accept silence and pardon.

> > > > > Period,

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I repeat,we have to take a relook at basics whenever in

> > > > doubt.This

> > > > > > does not mean K.N.Raoji does not know basics -it is your

> > > > > > interpretation.I am no man to judge whether Raoji has

> > understood

> > > > > > basics or not.It is beyond my capacities.He may be having

> > his

> > > > own

> > > > > > reasons.It is upto him to say whe he use aspects.Not me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me i have presented my case with Tarka and Pramana.Now i

> > > > will

> > > > > > present my views in a structured fashion.Those who wish can

> > > > respond.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding,Kalyan Varma etc ...explanations were

> > > > given.Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > ji had explained to shri Rohini ranjan in the past

> > > > too.Supporting

> > > > > > Pramana will be given in the paper.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Late Santhanams view -no more comment.When Lste Santhanam

> > has

> > > > > > written in plain English in BPHS...there is no point in

> > > > discussing

> > > > > > your views about opposition,though one can respect it as

> > > > personal

> > > > > > view.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You may keep on trying to create rift between people,if you

> > love

> > > > to

> > > > > > do so.Let us see whether you succeed or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vijayaads Pradeep is different from

> > > > > > Srutakeerthi,Jeevasharma,Garga,Thalakkulathu Bhattathiri

> > > > etc.Thus it

> > > > > > is not my Sanskrit interpretation.But you may try this

> > tactic

> > > > again

> > > > > > if you have nothing technical to offer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to remind you politely,efforts to create rift

> > will

> > > > > > remain unsuccesful.But whether to continue this or not is

> > upto

> > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For me if i have to concentrate on my duties and

> > > > > > promises.Oppoistions and obstacles are normal.I have been an

> > > > > > optimist and will always remain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Pradeep ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to mention a few words regarding the

> > attempts

> > > > made

> > > > > > by a

> > > > > > > > some.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)When one is asked to have a relook at the basics - It

> > > > is ''high

> > > > > > > > lighted'' by some as ''K.N.Rao does not know basics''.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Well, Pradeep ji - your statements on forum can

> > not

> > > > > > have two meanings - one for Shri KN Rao and another one for

> > > > members

> > > > > > arguing with you. We did not comment on anyone's basics, but

> > it

> > > > was

> > > > > > you who were questioning " basics " of the members with

> > respect to

> > > > D

> > > > > > chakra and its interpretation. You were mentioning that

> > sages

> > > > said

> > > > > > this, whereas they were your opinion on what " sages "

> > mentioned.

> > > > So

> > > > > > when people not agreeing to your opinion can be subjected to

> > > > those

> > > > > > forceful questioning on " basics " , then why not all those

> > people,

> > > > > > whose views are in contrast to your view. You should have

> > been

> > > > > > careful in your comments in questioning " basics " of the

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > > are not agreeing to your view.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)When Points are presented with the help of Tarka and

> > > > > > Pramana,one

> > > > > > > > may counter them through Tarka and Pramana.Unfortunately

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > as a vehicle to create rift between K.N.Raoji and his

> > > > students as

> > > > > > > > well as between K.N.Raoji and individuals having good

> > > > rapport

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Pradeep ji, I am indeed surprised to see your

> > > > > > objections, if your opinion is conveyed to Shri KN rao

> > > > > > in " verbatim " . Trust me, If I meet him - I will not twist

> > your

> > > > > > words, but will produce your own mails. So now you mean to

> > say

> > > > that -

> > > > > > those mails must not be applicable to him? Let this tarka

> > and

> > > > > > pramana theory from your own perspective, be also known to

> > him.

> > > > and

> > > > > > With my rapport with him since 1993, let me advise you - so

> > he

> > > > > > likes jyotish exploration. So where is the question of any

> > rift?

> > > > If

> > > > > > it is your own words are troubling you, then it was your

> > call

> > > > dear.

> > > > > > None of the other members, questioned the " basics " including

> > of

> > > > > > yours.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Satya did object to your contents of your mail

> > > > on " basics " ,

> > > > > > but you persisted with forceful conversion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moreover some are not interested in knowing the

> > Truth,but to

> > > > > > > > aggravate things and create rift and fight.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? We all presented classics (Kalyan

> > Varma),

> > > > case

> > > > > > studies (late Santhanam) and opinion of so many learned

> > people.

> > > > But

> > > > > > you kept on overruling them for your whims and now asking

> > for

> > > > truth

> > > > > > and praman. It was never twisted or misquoted - but by you

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > time to win the argument. Can truth only be those things,

> > which

> > > > you

> > > > > > propogated?. and Can pramana can only be your sankstri

> > > > translations?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3)When such comments are ignored - some say,one is

> > selective.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] is it? You ignored the predicitve challenges on

> > the

> > > > > > chart. You ignored case studies of Late Santhanam. You

> > ignored

> > > > so

> > > > > > many areas, where members presented - but you always opted

> > to

> > > > > > consider those points (even in articles), which suited your

> > > > > > argument. So sir, had we been closed minded - we would not

> > have

> > > > > > discussed at all. But if you reread all the mails and select

> > the

> > > > > > points skipped - then it may taken another long list of

> > mails to

> > > > be

> > > > > > answered.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is so sad to see how people are unable to take

> > Jyotish

> > > > > > debates in

> > > > > > > > an objective sense.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If somebody is not in agreement with a particular

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > scholar - it can no way mean,one is degrading that

> > scholar

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > whole.But unfortunately some are trying to create rift

> > > > between

> > > > > > > > individuals and twist Jyotish debates as disrespect

> > towards

> > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > men.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] Who degraded any scholar? who questioned the

> > basics

> > > > of

> > > > > > the people? Sir - if you are so sure of your opinion then,

> > what

> > > > is

> > > > > > the problem? None of us except you, have implied a single

> > > > negative

> > > > > > comment on any learned person. When Shri Chandrasekhar ji

> > > > explained

> > > > > > the views available in classics - you even rediculed those

> > > > sages. At

> > > > > > one stage, you said that BV Raman did not read Dashadhayayi.

> > So

> > > > sir

> > > > > > please restrain defending your lies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In that case there is no need for discussion groups or

> > > > > > debates.Every

> > > > > > > > one can say i am in the group of Raoji,Sanjayji etc as

> > in

> > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > and support individual manifestos.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Prafulla] well - if any argument is restricted to closed

> > > > minded

> > > > > > approach with trust being implied, ponly when suiting your

> > > > argument -

> > > > > > then certainly such debates have no place. But if

> > astrologer is

> > > > > > capable to predict with his interpretation model, then only

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > called PRAMANA. Until then - it is only called bright ideas -

> >

> > > > not

> > > > > > necessarily genuine one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No one is supporting any manifestos. It is you - who are

> > > > choosing

> > > > > > political terms. We simply respect, what each scholar says -

> > and

> > > > > > want to see it it works or not? Can you prove with the

> > > > predictive

> > > > > > challenges? if yes - we can have debates on any astrological

> > > > > > principle.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " There are two kinds of people in the world, those who

> > believe

> > > > > > there are two kinds of people in the world and those who

> > don't. "

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