[JG Chandrashekhar jis Unsubscription - Request to reconsider-19/8

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Dear Prashantji,

 

Okay I got your point.

You only defend whom you see as right, and good.

Okay You are a very good man, and I am a bad man.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

> I have defended ones who can't or don't OFFEND others or defend

themselves

>

> I have not got in the middle between people abusing u as it is two way

> traffic in all other cases it is one way as u have access to VA u

can see I

> have defended most people there as at least there till recently only

> astrology remained main area now all abuses are floating around by

people

> who can just buy a book or surf google for a book and start dangerously

> interpreting , worse debunk all serious astrologers, I have no

lobbies to

> back me, still I have stood by many people there.

>

> in ur case or pratosh etc no one can get involved as we have to go

back to

> many mails to see the source of the trouble.not just one or tow to find

> fault with the abuser and defend there as u said everyone must check the

> entire thread and proceed else will get stuck between two mud-slinging

> groups.

>

> anyone sided one we can defend, no one defended Pt Dakshina murthy

ji as I

> have as I have nothing to llose or gain, but know he is way ahead of any

> astrologer in the groups on technical, scriptural levels, y'day same

team

> abused pt. arjun too at least him I know a bit better and I know is also

> wrongly targeted, I did defend them, MORE FROM SUBJECT cause then

personal

>

> what little time I had here I know chandrashekar was good so did

defend him

> as well

>

>

> best wishes

>

> On 8/19/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,Prashant,RP Singh,

> >

> > Do not make assumptions and self declarations,

> > Who has left because of abuse and who has not

> > should not be your lookouts, Worry for the cause

> > of astrology and nothing else. Share contribute

> > and help.Dont pour poison anywhere.

> >

> > Why abuses are happenning ? because you people

> > chose to remain silent when fake ids abuse

> > the known members here. If You had spoken

> > that time, then the stage of you

> > speaking unnecessarily now, would not

> > have come at all. But you people keep mum that

> > time for fear of being targeted, hence these

> > abusers get away with their abuse.

> >

> > Now all this big pravachan makes no sense.

> >

> > When a enemy comes with his weapons, wounds us and

> > leaves, then you get up to show

> > all manliness which is not existing in

> > the first place. Why not fight when the abuses

> > are been given, or when that fake id starts mauling

> > the members here unnecessarily.

> >

> > Now dont speak. keep quiet.

> > We know your concern well for the other astrologers

> > working here and also know that you enjoy your

> > fellow astrologers being mauled and wounded. God

> > knows those fake ids may be of the same

> > persons who are now giving

> > pravachans. Everything is possible in this world.

> >

> > And dont form groups or factions here please.

> > Stay united for your own good.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > <%40>,

> > " astro desk "

> >

> > <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep, R P Singh, Members,

> > >

> > > it is sad it people who have material to share and enlighten the

> > membership

> > > in the groups are left frustrated at the status of affairs and quit.

> > This

> > > was really disturbing to read even Chandrashekar-ji has left

> > unanounced due

> > > to abuses here.

> > >

> > > I find this vested interests taking over groups with fake ID's and a

> > team of

> > > them too, the way VEDIC-ASTROLOGY of late was mauled by JUST 2

> > members with

> > > such fake ID's and has driven the subject out of the group, though

> > it was

> > > started to throw the most revered members out, by people with

dubious

> > > knowledge in IT targeted Pt Dadkshinamurthy ji, now Pt arjuni- I was

> > also

> > > not spared though I said I have no vested interests with any

member as I

> > > hardly know anyone, BUT DO recognise the few members who have

> > contributed

> > > richly with their scriptural knowledge that WE DON'T have , deserve

> > a lot

> > > more respect than any one's express self interest who may be

> > disappointed

> > > with what they got from any of them, which the market itself will

> > decide,

> > > why abuse and drive membership out, we need a few astrologers with

> > > scriptural back ground to help the group, thse kind have been worst

> > hit, I

> > > am not in such a list of scriptural knowledgeable, but my

strentgh is

> > > limited to astrology alone, I miss such members who are forced

to quit

> > >

> > > I hope sanity prevails and all learned members come back in all the

> > groups

> > > that have suffered due to some jealous groups operating within them.

> > >

> > > astrology alone must bind us, not divide us I hope he is reading it

> > too and

> > > comes back

> > >

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 8/19/07, rpsingh2710 <rpsingh2710@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> > > >

> > > > If you quit this group, every thing will be alright here. But

we all

> > > > know that you will never quit because you have vested interest

to be

> > > > here. Your own group is almost dead, you have no where to go.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > RP Singh

> > > >

> > > >

<%40><%40>,

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Pradeepji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You mentioned " recent abuses involving

> > > > > mother " .Who used these abuses and why ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently the member who used this ,I

> > > > > think was provoked by another abuse, but

> > > > > previously the former member was abused

> > > > > without provocation. Which one of these

> > > > > are you talking of ?

> > > > >

> > > > > But exactly which abuse are you talking

> > > > > of - name of person who abused, and

> > > > > name of person who was abused?

> > > > >

> > > > > Which members do you think are

> > > > > hiding under fake names and ids,

> > > > > and doing what ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do you think that this List

> > > > > is being destroyed ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Who are the members who are doing

> > > > > astrology here for free,

> > > > > and who are those who have vested

> > > > > interests ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly what solution do you

> > > > > think should be enforced ,so

> > > > > that this list is not destroyed ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

<%40>

> > <%40>,

> > > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis absence from the list ,without notice

made me

> > > > write

> > > > > > to him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was sad to note that ,the elderly gentleman has

d

> > > > from

> > > > > > the list.His mail regarding this did not reach the list as his

> > > > > > unsubscription request effected before the information mail.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The recent exchanges in the list with abuses invloving

mother,bad

> > > > > > words etc has become quite disturbing for many.Members hiding

> > > > under

> > > > > > fake names and ids are criticising others for the same

reason!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The list is being destroyed and is sad.Raoji left,then

shri Finn

> > > > > > wandahl was forced to go out.Recently there seems to be a

vested

> > > > > > interest from some members to drive out those who are doing

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > for free.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am copying this mail to chandrashekhar ji as well and

request

> > > > him to

> > > > > > reconsider his decision.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Prashantkumar

> > > --------

> > > For Consultation charges please write to me

> > > --------

> > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street

> > > Nandanam Extn,

> > > Chennai 600035, INDIA

> > > MOBILE 9840051861

> > > TEL 42110983/24340186

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Pradeep,

 

I am not aware of this angle till now but I know this is understandable and

this we have seen happen in JR wehre many good astrologers left the forum

like this and this will happen to all forums where moderation is inactive,

right now VEDIC astrology is in the same boat will die soon too I was

surprised to hear people like kn rAO EXISTED HERE AND NOW NOT EVEN HIS

CHELAS R HERE what a pity it must be that many groups r dying

 

JR had a big number base and is left with may be 15 20 active members and

equal number of querents its claim of over 7k must be dead wood. again same

with VA it can be a few hundreds not thousands

 

 

we must ensure astrology remains the main focus not personal egos

 

best wishes

 

On 8/19/07, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Prashanth ji

>

> As you might have noted,Chandrashekhar ji was discussing 360 days

> vimshottari,with me and Satyaji,before his unsubscription.

>

> He wrote to me the reasons and it was really sad.I too told him

> clearly that it is not worth a place to be present looking at the

> current style and language being used.

>

> Chandrashekhar ji is at the moment prepared only for personal

> communication,and is not interested with the list.This is understandable.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> <%40>,

> " astro desk "

> <astro.prashantkumar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep, R P Singh, Members,

> >

> > it is sad it people who have material to share and enlighten the

> membership

> > in the groups are left frustrated at the status of affairs and quit.

> This

> > was really disturbing to read even Chandrashekar-ji has left

> unanounced due

> > to abuses here.

> >

> > I find this vested interests taking over groups with fake ID's and a

> team of

> > them too, the way VEDIC-ASTROLOGY of late was mauled by JUST 2

> members with

> > such fake ID's and has driven the subject out of the group, though

> it was

> > started to throw the most revered members out, by people with dubious

> > knowledge in IT targeted Pt Dadkshinamurthy ji, now Pt arjuni- I was

> also

> > not spared though I said I have no vested interests with any member as I

> > hardly know anyone, BUT DO recognise the few members who have

> contributed

> > richly with their scriptural knowledge that WE DON'T have , deserve

> a lot

> > more respect than any one's express self interest who may be

> disappointed

> > with what they got from any of them, which the market itself will

> decide,

> > why abuse and drive membership out, we need a few astrologers with

> > scriptural back ground to help the group, thse kind have been worst

> hit, I

> > am not in such a list of scriptural knowledgeable, but my strentgh is

> > limited to astrology alone, I miss such members who are forced to quit

> >

> > I hope sanity prevails and all learned members come back in all the

> groups

> > that have suffered due to some jealous groups operating within them.

> >

> > astrology alone must bind us, not divide us I hope he is reading it

> too and

> > comes back

> >

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> >

> >

> > On 8/19/07, rpsingh2710 <rpsingh2710 wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> > >

> > > If you quit this group, every thing will be alright here. But we all

> > > know that you will never quit because you have vested interest to be

> > > here. Your own group is almost dead, you have no where to go.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > RP Singh

> > >

> > >

<%40><%40>,

> > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > You mentioned " recent abuses involving

> > > > mother " .Who used these abuses and why ?

> > > >

> > > > Recently the member who used this ,I

> > > > think was provoked by another abuse, but

> > > > previously the former member was abused

> > > > without provocation. Which one of these

> > > > are you talking of ?

> > > >

> > > > But exactly which abuse are you talking

> > > > of - name of person who abused, and

> > > > name of person who was abused?

> > > >

> > > > Which members do you think are

> > > > hiding under fake names and ids,

> > > > and doing what ?

> > > >

> > > > Why do you think that this List

> > > > is being destroyed ?

> > > >

> > > > Who are the members who are doing

> > > > astrology here for free,

> > > > and who are those who have vested

> > > > interests ?

> > > >

> > > > Exactly what solution do you

> > > > think should be enforced ,so

> > > > that this list is not destroyed ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>

> <%40>,

> > > " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar jis absence from the list ,without notice made me

> > > write

> > > > > to him.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was sad to note that ,the elderly gentleman has d

> > > from

> > > > > the list.His mail regarding this did not reach the list as his

> > > > > unsubscription request effected before the information mail.

> > > > >

> > > > > The recent exchanges in the list with abuses invloving mother,bad

> > > > > words etc has become quite disturbing for many.Members hiding

> > > under

> > > > > fake names and ids are criticising others for the same reason!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > The list is being destroyed and is sad.Raoji left,then shri Finn

> > > > > wandahl was forced to go out.Recently there seems to be a vested

> > > > > interest from some members to drive out those who are doing

> > > astrology

> > > > > for free.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am copying this mail to chandrashekhar ji as well and request

> > > him to

> > > > > reconsider his decision.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Prashantkumar

> > --------

> > For Consultation charges please write to me

> > --------

> > G B Prashant Kumar

> > `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street

> > Nandanam Extn,

> > Chennai 600035, INDIA

> > MOBILE 9840051861

> > TEL 42110983/24340186

> >

> >

> >