Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Namaste Margaret I do not consider horashastra group as a new group. It is a change of address of since this group is no longer moderated. The purpose of the new group is to bring all the intellectuals back and provide an environment that can give purposeful research. Even if debates are carried out, they are carried out on principles and with respect for each other's different viewpoints. Research and advancement of deep subjects require a tranquil atmosphere. You can't have path breaking scientific research in strife ridden places, unless they relate to warfare. As you can see, I agree to your views. This small change of address can provide for the same. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure many > others do too. > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I have > many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my involvement on > this list anyway. > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar and a few > others leave, who have made magnificent and significant contributions. This > is unprecedented as in years gone by there were the usual disruptions, but > never as long lasting, or as unpleasant as the recent ones. As Finn said we > need an environment which is conducive to intelligent exchange and > constructive ideas about astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous state > of mind to produce good results, and the environment should support and > nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > best wishes > M > > - > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > <%40> > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > Namaste Margaret > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a free for > all > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator from this > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it fertile > ground > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding persons to be > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am inviting a > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she remains away > from > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also help in its > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a moderator > yourself. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to first of > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened earlier in > the > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a campaign to > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal stage of > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least succeeded > if > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership cannot be > screened > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for joining. > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good jyotish and > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for running the > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into the > current > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of griping and > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to discuss this > noble > > science. > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with the good' > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > margaret > > - > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > <%40><%40> > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > individual, > > it > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that this group > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the NEW group > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners of the > > group. > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per whims and > > fancies of one person. > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > then all territories are lost. > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40><%40><%40\ >, > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > <astrologyhindu wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never wish to > open > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. Nor am I a > > > Jyotisha > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started this group > > for > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I want to free > > this > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash (of > > Krushnaji's > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a moderator of > a > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of experience > > and > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be able to > > enjoy > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is on > jyotish > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named is a good > one > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual the Jealous > > > group > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can state this > > > also that > > > > > it > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with astrology centric > > > motive > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i am a member > > > of the > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. did try to > > > help > > > > > when > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other groups > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next yr as I have > > > no time > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the divisional > > charts > > > > > they > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit this on and off > > > slowly > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading more in a > > few > > > > > sites > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as moderation is not > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > <astrologyhindu<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till the matter > > is > > > > > sorted > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " which will be > > > > > moderated > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > be > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members of this > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > Group Email: horashastra <horashastra%40> > <horashastra%40> > > <horashastra%40> > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also propose the > > > following > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under trying > > > conditions. > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this group > > > will be a > > > > > > truly > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become the bane of > > > Jyotish > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take lead in joining > > > this > > > > > > group > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please remember it isn't > > my > > > > > group > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your group. > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can dump the > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Namaste Sri Pranesh It looks like an error from Sri Bhaskar in signing off. I have checked the IP address of Sri Margaret's email and its originating IP is Received: from host-84-13-209-230.opaltelecom.net.209.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO sian) ([84.13.209.230]) This is not the same as Sri Bhaskar's. Please do not hold him responsible for things he has not done. Kindly hold him responsible only for things which are unacceptable. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 8/20/07, pranesh_joshi2003 <pranesh_joshi2003 wrote: > > " One father's son " ... " double/fake IDs " ... you use these terms too > often for me not to be suspicious about you. > > You are a fake, and probably the other one too. Keep replying to this > while I'll enjoy with pure silence. I hope to see you replying > yourself at least 5 times as you have done on other subjects here, > loooooooooong after serious people have stopped responding to you. > > Don't think - just let the fingers loose! > > PJ > > <%40>, > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > What a great discovery you have made. > > Albert Einstein would be showering flowers > > on you. > > Dont look more than necessary. > > Dont think more than necessary. > > I am not Marg. At times when one > > is thinking about someone, it is possible > > for one to make such ,mistakes. > > Already there has been no astrological content > > in most of these mails except advising-advising > > -advising and preaching-preaching-preaching and > > I have got fed up of non educational or non > > academic content and having to reply to > > nonsense mails.. > > > > I am one fathers son and dont resort to > > double email ids or fakes ids. > > So never talk to me like that. > > Also I dont fear anyone except God > > and any bad act,so theres no > > need for me to take sheeps clothing, > > when already I am a Lion. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40>, > " pranesh_joshi2003 " > > <pranesh_joshi2003@> wrote: > > > > > > <%40>, > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > > > > > <Ctrl-x> > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Marg. > > > > > > > > > Look look - Marg and Bhaskar are the same!! > > > > > > PJ > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > > > > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > > > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm > sure many > > > > others do too. > > > > > > > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > > > > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > > > > involvement on this list anyway. > > > > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar > and a > > > > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > > > > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > > > > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as > unpleasant as > > > > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > > > > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > > > > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > > > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous > > > > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > > > > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > > > > best wishes > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > <%40> > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > > > > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > > > > free for all > > > > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator > > > > from this > > > > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > > > > fertile ground > > > > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > > > > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > > > > persons to be > > > > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am > > inviting a > > > > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she > remains > > > > away from > > > > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > > > > help in its > > > > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > > > > moderator > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to > > > > first of > > > > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > > > > earlier in the > > > > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > > > > campaign to > > > > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal > > > > stage of > > > > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > > > > succeeded if > > > > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership > cannot > > > > be screened > > > > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for > joining. > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > > > > jyotish and > > > > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > > > > running the > > > > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > > > > the current > > > > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of > > griping and > > > > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > > > > discuss this noble > > > > > > science. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with > > > > the good' > > > > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > > > > margaret > > > > > > - > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > > > individual, > > > > > > it > > > > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > > > > this group > > > > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the > > > > NEW group > > > > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners > > > of the > > > > > > group. > > > > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > > > > whims and > > > > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > <%40><%40>, > > > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > > > > wish to open > > > > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are > available. Nor > > > > am I a > > > > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > > > > this group > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I > want > > > > to free > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri > Ash (of > > > > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > > > > moderator of a > > > > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > > > > experience > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be > > > > able to > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is > > > > on jyotish > > > > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u > named is a > > > > good one > > > > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as > usual the > > > > Jealous > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can > state > > > > this > > > > > > > also that > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with > astrology > > > > centric > > > > > > > motive > > > > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i > am a > > > > member > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > > > > did try to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next > yr as > > > > I have > > > > > > > no time > > > > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > > > > divisional > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit > this on > > > > and off > > > > > > > slowly > > > > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > > > > more in a > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as > moderation > > > > is not > > > > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > > > > the matter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " > which > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members > > > of this > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: > > > > horashastra <horashastra%40> > <horashastra%40> > > > > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > > > > propose the > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under > > > trying > > > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this > > > group > > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has > become the > > > > bane of > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take > lead in > > > > joining > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please > remember > > > > it isn't > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > > > > dump the > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 One self proclaimed astrologer, who wishes to dominate all the Forums, and wishes to solitarily reply to all the natives coming on these Forums, for commercial vested interests, and who doles out predictions per day like the mass production machines of China, remarked foolishly 2 days ago, that he has taught Bhaskar and all, how to check IP addresses,I would like to ask why is he keeping silent now ? Why does he not check the sources of both mines and Margs IP, and then reveal what he has found ? And also explain how a person can write simultaneously from UK as well as from India. He must have racked his brains by now, I am sure, but could not find any link between mines and Margs IP, so he has remained silent. Such type of members remaining silent, are the real crooks who spoil the peace of astrology Forums. Bhaskar. , " pranesh_joshi2003 " <pranesh_joshi2003 wrote: > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > <Ctrl-x> > > > > best wishes, > > Marg. > > > Look look - Marg and Bhaskar are the same!! > > PJ > > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure many > > others do too. > > > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > > involvement on this list anyway. > > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar and a > > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as unpleasant as > > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous > > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > > free for all > > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator > > from this > > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > > fertile ground > > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > > persons to be > > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am inviting a > > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she remains > > away from > > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > > help in its > > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > > moderator > > > yourself. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to > > first of > > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > > earlier in the > > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > > campaign to > > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal > > stage of > > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > > succeeded if > > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership cannot > > be screened > > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for joining. > > > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > > jyotish and > > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > > running the > > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > > the current > > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of griping and > > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > > discuss this noble > > > > science. > > > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with > > the good' > > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > > margaret > > > > - > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > <%40> > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > individual, > > > > it > > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > > this group > > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the > > NEW group > > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners > of the > > > > group. > > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > > whims and > > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40><%40>, > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > > wish to open > > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. Nor > > am I a > > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > > this group > > > > for > > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I want > > to free > > > > this > > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash (of > > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > > moderator of a > > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > > experience > > > > and > > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be > > able to > > > > enjoy > > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is > > on jyotish > > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named is a > > good one > > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual the > > Jealous > > > > > group > > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can state > > this > > > > > also that > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with astrology > > centric > > > > > motive > > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i am a > > member > > > > > of the > > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > > did try to > > > > > help > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next yr as > > I have > > > > > no time > > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > > divisional > > > > charts > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit this on > > and off > > > > > slowly > > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > > more in a > > > > few > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as moderation > > is not > > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > > the matter > > > > is > > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " which > > will be > > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members > of this > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > > Group Email: > > horashastra <horashastra%40> > > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > > propose the > > > > > following > > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under > trying > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this > group > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become the > > bane of > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take lead in > > joining > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please remember > > it isn't > > > > my > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > > dump the > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Bharat Thanks for your reply I will keep in touch about this possibility, but until confusion clears I shall be off list for a while. Perhaps in time we will see once more mails about astrology only on the list which will be constructive. best wishes Margaret - Bharat - Hindu Astrology Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM Re: Re: Moderated Group Namaste Margaret I do not consider horashastra group as a new group. It is a change of address of since this group is no longer moderated. The purpose of the new group is to bring all the intellectuals back and provide an environment that can give purposeful research. Even if debates are carried out, they are carried out on principles and with respect for each other's different viewpoints. Research and advancement of deep subjects require a tranquil atmosphere. You can't have path breaking scientific research in strife ridden places, unless they relate to warfare. As you can see, I agree to your views. This small change of address can provide for the same. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure many > others do too. > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I have > many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my involvement on > this list anyway. > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar and a few > others leave, who have made magnificent and significant contributions. This > is unprecedented as in years gone by there were the usual disruptions, but > never as long lasting, or as unpleasant as the recent ones. As Finn said we > need an environment which is conducive to intelligent exchange and > constructive ideas about astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous state > of mind to produce good results, and the environment should support and > nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > best wishes > M > > - > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > <%40> > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > Namaste Margaret > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a free for > all > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator from this > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it fertile > ground > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding persons to be > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am inviting a > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she remains away > from > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also help in its > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a moderator > yourself. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to first of > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened earlier in > the > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a campaign to > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal stage of > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least succeeded > if > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership cannot be > screened > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for joining. > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good jyotish and > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for running the > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into the > current > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of griping and > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to discuss this > noble > > science. > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with the good' > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > margaret > > - > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > <%40><%40> > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > individual, > > it > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that this group > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the NEW group > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners of the > > group. > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per whims and > > fancies of one person. > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > then all territories are lost. > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <%40><%40><%40\ >, > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > <astrologyhindu wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never wish to > open > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. Nor am I a > > > Jyotisha > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started this group > > for > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I want to free > > this > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash (of > > Krushnaji's > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a moderator of > a > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of experience > > and > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be able to > > enjoy > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is on > jyotish > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named is a good > one > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual the Jealous > > > group > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can state this > > > also that > > > > > it > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with astrology centric > > > motive > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i am a member > > > of the > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. did try to > > > help > > > > > when > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other groups > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next yr as I have > > > no time > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the divisional > > charts > > > > > they > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit this on and off > > > slowly > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading more in a > > few > > > > > sites > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as moderation is not > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > <astrologyhindu<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till the matter > > is > > > > > sorted > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " which will be > > > > > moderated > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > be > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members of this > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > Group Email: horashastra <horashastra%40> > <horashastra%40> > > <horashastra%40> > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also propose the > > > following > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under trying > > > conditions. > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this group > > > will be a > > > > > > truly > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become the bane of > > > Jyotish > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take lead in joining > > > this > > > > > > group > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please remember it isn't > > my > > > > > group > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your group. > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can dump the > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Why dont you move to the newly formed Forum, and cease to be a further confusion here ? Because I replied you yesterday I had to face all the brickbats. Please give way. Bhaskar. , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear Bharat > > Thanks for your reply > I will keep in touch about this possibility, but until confusion clears I shall be off list for a while. > Perhaps in time we will see once more mails about astrology only on the list which will be constructive. > best wishes > Margaret > > - > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > Namaste Margaret > > I do not consider horashastra group as a new group. It is a change of > address of since this group is no longer moderated. > > The purpose of the new group is to bring all the intellectuals back and > provide an environment that can give purposeful research. Even if debates > are carried out, they are carried out on principles and with respect for > each other's different viewpoints. Research and advancement of deep subjects > require a tranquil atmosphere. You can't have path breaking scientific > research in strife ridden places, unless they relate to warfare. As you can > see, I agree to your views. This small change of address can provide for the > same. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm sure many > > others do too. > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I have > > many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my involvement on > > this list anyway. > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar and a few > > others leave, who have made magnificent and significant contributions. This > > is unprecedented as in years gone by there were the usual disruptions, but > > never as long lasting, or as unpleasant as the recent ones. As Finn said we > > need an environment which is conducive to intelligent exchange and > > constructive ideas about astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous state > > of mind to produce good results, and the environment should support and > > nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > <%40> > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a free for > > all > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator from this > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it fertile > > ground > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding persons to be > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am inviting a > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she remains away > > from > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also help in its > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a moderator > > yourself. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9 <margie9%40talktalk.net>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to first of > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened earlier in > > the > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a campaign to > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal stage of > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least succeeded > > if > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership cannot be > > screened > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for joining. > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good jyotish and > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for running the > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into the > > current > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of griping and > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to discuss this > > noble > > > science. > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with the good' > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > margaret > > > - > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > <%40><%40> > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > individual, > > > it > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that this group > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the NEW group > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners of the > > > group. > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per whims and > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in> > > <bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > <%40><%40><%40\ >, > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never wish to > > open > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are available. Nor am I a > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started this group > > > for > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I want to free > > > this > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri Ash (of > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a moderator of > > a > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of experience > > > and > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be able to > > > enjoy > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is on > > jyotish > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u named is a good > > one > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as usual the Jealous > > > > group > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can state this > > > > also that > > > > > > it > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with astrology centric > > > > motive > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i am a member > > > > of the > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. did try to > > > > help > > > > > > when > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other groups > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next yr as I have > > > > no time > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the divisional > > > charts > > > > > > they > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit this on and off > > > > slowly > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading more in a > > > few > > > > > > sites > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as moderation is not > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till the matter > > > is > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " which will be > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members of this > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > Group Email: horashastra <horashastra%40> > > <horashastra%40> > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also propose the > > > > following > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under trying > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this group > > > > will be a > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has become the bane of > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take lead in joining > > > > this > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please remember it isn't > > > my > > > > > > group > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can dump the > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 I wonder how many more will post IP addresses Been reading Margaret's wisdom for ages now, with admiration too. PJ , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Pranesh > > It looks like an error from Sri Bhaskar in signing off. I have checked the > IP address of Sri Margaret's email and its originating IP is > > Received: from host-84-13-209-230.opaltelecom.net.209.13.84.in-addr.arpa > (HELO sian) ([84.13.209.230]) > > This is not the same as Sri Bhaskar's. > > Please do not hold him responsible for things he has not done. Kindly hold > him responsible only for things which are unacceptable. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Namaste Sri Bharatji, Thank You for clearing my name. Yes it certainly was an error. I was wondering while replying to her, whats her name and what should i address her,and whether I have addressed her rightly as " Marg " and hope she does not get offended by the name. because I had 3 names to reckon with " M " " Marg' and later on I noticed " Margie " , with that overpondering thought in my mind,I ended my reply to her, with signing off with her name itself. Yes I may be held responsible for certain behaviours which are unacceptable to You, or others,and even to me though they are my own behaviour,because , one is prompted to behave that way in face of provocation,otherwise I am good basically, I am proud to say this. whenever you find me acceptable, in most matters, you may please invite me to Your Forum, i would glad to be a member there, knowing that You are a justice minded moderator, i always accept such invitations coming from such people.And please know that i never lie in any matter. Astrologers are supposed to be truthful,honest and with only positive feelings, which traits I try to maintain always. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Pranesh > > It looks like an error from Sri Bhaskar in signing off. I have checked the > IP address of Sri Margaret's email and its originating IP is > > Received: from host-84-13-209-230.opaltelecom.net.209.13.84.in-addr.arpa > (HELO sian) ([84.13.209.230]) > > This is not the same as Sri Bhaskar's. > > Please do not hold him responsible for things he has not done. Kindly hold > him responsible only for things which are unacceptable. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 8/20/07, pranesh_joshi2003 <pranesh_joshi2003 wrote: > > > > " One father's son " ... " double/fake IDs " ... you use these terms too > > often for me not to be suspicious about you. > > > > You are a fake, and probably the other one too. Keep replying to this > > while I'll enjoy with pure silence. I hope to see you replying > > yourself at least 5 times as you have done on other subjects here, > > loooooooooong after serious people have stopped responding to you. > > > > Don't think - just let the fingers loose! > > > > PJ > > > > <%40>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > What a great discovery you have made. > > > Albert Einstein would be showering flowers > > > on you. > > > Dont look more than necessary. > > > Dont think more than necessary. > > > I am not Marg. At times when one > > > is thinking about someone, it is possible > > > for one to make such ,mistakes. > > > Already there has been no astrological content > > > in most of these mails except advising-advising > > > -advising and preaching-preaching-preaching and > > > I have got fed up of non educational or non > > > academic content and having to reply to > > > nonsense mails.. > > > > > > I am one fathers son and dont resort to > > > double email ids or fakes ids. > > > So never talk to me like that. > > > Also I dont fear anyone except God > > > and any bad act,so theres no > > > need for me to take sheeps clothing, > > > when already I am a Lion. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " pranesh_joshi2003 " > > > <pranesh_joshi2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > > > > > > > <Ctrl-x> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Marg. > > > > > > > > > > > > Look look - Marg and Bhaskar are the same!! > > > > > > > > PJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the kind invite, we shall see. > > > > > > > > > > > > I get many invites to new forums but find time limited and have to > > > > > prioritise my astrology work above list subscription, as I'm > > sure many > > > > > others do too. > > > > > > > > > > > > It takes a lot of time to write to forums and I find that often I > > > > > have many other projects taking time and energy, which limit my > > > > > involvement on this list anyway. > > > > > > I am sorry to see such notable people as Finn, Chandrashekhar > > and a > > > > > few others leave, who have made magnificent and significant > > > > > contributions. This is unprecedented as in years gone by there were > > > > > the usual disruptions, but never as long lasting, or as > > unpleasant as > > > > > the recent ones. As Finn said we need an environment which is > > > > > conducive to intelligent exchange and constructive ideas about > > > > > astrology only, if jyotish is to flourish. > > > > > > Not only this but a good jyotish must of course be of equanaminous > > > > > state of mind to produce good results, and the environment should > > > > > support and nurture this equanimity otherwise balance will be lost. > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 12:00 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is that the list isn't moderated and it has become a > > > > > free for all > > > > > > forum. In such a case, either we wake whosoever is the moderator > > > > > from this > > > > > > long slumber or we take the list some place else and make it > > > > > fertile ground > > > > > > for ideas and jyotish research and not for abuse of members. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is for this reason, I would want mature and understanding > > > > > persons to be > > > > > > the moderators. In fact, upon someone's suggestion, I am > > > inviting a > > > > > > non-jyotish person to be a moderator too. Such that he/she > > remains > > > > > away from > > > > > > the discussions and likes-dislikes of fellow members. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you will start contributing in the new list soon and also > > > > > help in its > > > > > > moderation by suggesting members who are capable or by being a > > > > > moderator > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Marg <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For some time now I have not got involved with the list due to > > > > > first of > > > > > > > all offensive porno mails landing on the list, as happened > > > > > earlier in the > > > > > > > year, then the addition of members whose task seemed to be a > > > > > campaign to > > > > > > > either dominate and control the list, and use it as a personal > > > > > stage of > > > > > > > performance, or else usurp it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the campaign to overtake the list has at least > > > > > succeeded if > > > > > > > it has to be changed to a new one when current membership > > cannot > > > > > be screened > > > > > > > or moderated to eliminate those with wrong motives for > > joining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jyotish list was commended years ago for promoting good > > > > > jyotish and > > > > > > > you may recall that Ben Collins himself received honours for > > > > > running the > > > > > > > list whilst in India, so how sad that it has degenerated into > > > > > the current > > > > > > > exchanges of personal attacks and endless diatribes of > > > griping and > > > > > > > complaining which alienate those of us who purely want to > > > > > discuss this noble > > > > > > > science. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a saying 'in order to eliminate the bad, proceed with > > > > > the good' > > > > > > > but if good people are leaving then what is left? > > > > > > > margaret > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Monday, August 20, 2007 7:27 AM > > > > > > > Re: Re: Moderated Group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please understand what is being said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I said that I want to free the NEW group from one single > > > > > individual, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > means " I want to free the group from Myself " . That means that > > > > > this group > > > > > > > will not be controlled by one person. This also means that the > > > > > NEW group > > > > > > > will not run according my own personal biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plan is to create 10-15 moderators and also 3-4 co-owners > > > > of the > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > Such that maturity prevails and the group does not run as per > > > > > whims and > > > > > > > fancies of one person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope the matter is clear now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bhaskar > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@<bhaskar_jyotish%40.co.in>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All groups are fine, if decent people like you > > > > > > > > behave in a manner which is befitting. Opening an > > > > > > > > other group is not the solution, wherever one stays, > > > > > > > > if he is not able to defend himself against abusers, > > > > > > > > then all territories are lost. > > > > > > > > before talking otherwise of this Group, one should > > > > > > > > remember that if this was strictly moderated, > > > > > > > > then you would not have been allowed to talk or > > > > > > > > form a group or invite members on this territory > > > > > > > > which itself you are using to form and invite group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wish to free this group from one individual ? > > > > > > > > Are you God ? If you have the strength and good will, > > > > > > > > then free this group from the abusers, and these > > > > > > > > are those who hover around you, but you choose to remain > > > > > > > > silent when they abuse any member without > > > > > > > > thought or provocation. And now you are talking of one > > > > > > > > individual ?I have seen the astrological content of the > > > > > > > > other friends of yours here, and it is good to have one > > > > > > > > person knowing his job well, rather than 5 -7 duds > > > > > > > > doing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have made me sad by using these words " want to free > > > > > > > > this group from one individual " which I know are pointed > > > > > > > > towards me. if Dharma was at your side, you would have > > > > > > > > said " I will close all targeting from zealous astrologers > > > > > > > > towards one individual " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best for your new group. > > > > > > > > I hope it starts early, so that this group becomes > > > > > > > > free of malice and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > <%40><%40>, > > > > > > > > " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " > > > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know only very few names in the Jyotish circle. I never > > > > > wish to open > > > > > > > > > another group when fine groups on Jyotish are > > available. Nor > > > > > am I a > > > > > > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > > > > of such a level to guide a group in Astrology. I started > > > > > this group > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > Astrology and not for me. This is purely my idea and I > > want > > > > > to free > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group from one single individual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, I have already edited the membership of Sri > > Ash (of > > > > > > > Krushnaji's > > > > > > > > > Ashtakavarga system) to be a Moderator. He is already a > > > > > moderator of a > > > > > > > > > wonderful group on astrology and brings with him loads of > > > > > experience > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > knowledge. If mature people moderate the group, we will be > > > > > able to > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > jyotish more and abuses less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this group, the only targeting that shall be allowed is > > > > > on jyotish > > > > > > > > > principles and personal attacks will not be tolerated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, astro desk <astro.prashantkumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u well and hope u do well and the team u > > named is a > > > > > good one > > > > > > > > > > fortunately u have not put my name here, else as > > usual the > > > > > Jealous > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > will target me as the brain behind this I hope u can > > state > > > > > this > > > > > > > > also that > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is ur own idea to create a democratic group with > > astrology > > > > > centric > > > > > > > > motive > > > > > > > > > > and no one else is there behind this move, in fact i > > am a > > > > > member > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > jealous group too but inactive due to time constraints. > > > > > did try to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > I can yet am targeted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had face many such slights by the same gang in 2 other > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can enroll in any future group only after Jan next > > yr as > > > > > I have > > > > > > > > no time > > > > > > > > > > till then this the gang also knows yet targets me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cam here because of the gang's cry for help on the > > > > > divisional > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > posted all over the groups > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this group as such has not much in it so can visit > > this on > > > > > and off > > > > > > > > slowly > > > > > > > > > > will fade out here, I will pref contributing to reading > > > > > more in a > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > > > > when time permits, topics r useless as long as > > moderation > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > in place > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/20/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > > > > > > <astrologyhindu@<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish Group currently suffers from moderation. Till > > > > > the matter > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > sorted > > > > > > > > > > > out, I have created a groups titled " Hora Shastra " > > which > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > moderated > > > > > > > > > > > not by one person, but, by many persons. I propose Sri > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > one of the moderators, along with our senior members > > > > of this > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group Name: Hora Shastra > > > > > > > > > > > Group Email: > > > > > horashastra <horashastra%40> > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > > > <horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > <horashastra%40><horashastra%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is an attempt to infuse some discipline. I also > > > > > propose the > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > names as moderators/co-owners of this group: > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Sri David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sri Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sri Satya Sai Kolachina > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Sri Manjunath Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > along with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These members have shown restraint and maturity under > > > > trying > > > > > > > > conditions. > > > > > > > > > > > Other members can propose some names to. This way this > > > > group > > > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > > > > democratic one, but, away from abuse that has > > become the > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it acceptable to members, then, they may take > > lead in > > > > > joining > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > and actively participating in the same. Please > > remember > > > > > it isn't > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > and I would be happy only being a member. This is your > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this does not seem as a plausible solution, we can > > > > > dump the > > > > > > > idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashantkumar > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > For Consultation charges please write to me > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > > `Gyandeep' 4, Fifth street > > > > > > > > > > Nandanam Extn, > > > > > > > > > > Chennai 600035, INDIA > > > > > > > > > > MOBILE 9840051861 > > > > > > > > > > TEL 42110983/24340186 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Sri Ash Thank you for your support. The purpose was to start something with moderation. I hope members shall return back to this group. I am officially closing the new group. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 8/22/07, Ash <kas wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat, > > I would like to leave the Horashastra group for now. I am doing a fair bit > of traveling and I don't think I shall be able to moderate your new group. > > When I get more time, I will write to you and help u moderate. > > Now that will be tightly moderated, rough language and > posters > of the same will get banned, and I think that was your philosophy for > starting this new group. > > If you like you can close the group and if this abuse on other list > continues you can re-start the group. > > Please, do not take this mail in any other way, its just that now I have > to > travel every week from Toronto to Calgary on work and then fly back and I > am > writing a lot of mails on Krushnaji's list. > > I am unable to leave on my own, so as a owner you might have to change my > status and then I will be able to leave the group, unless there is another > way that I do not know about. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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