Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hare rama krishna respected bhaskar ji, Namaskar and pranams. I will try to answer your questions based on what i know ,There are various nadi dictums by various rishis which is kept secret by some families and still not availble from slowest planet sat to fastest planets moon is activating many good and bad points in charts if u super impose the transit on a birth chart. Mars is karaka for brother ,esp young brothers ,also karaka for enmity ,karaka for male energy in a female chart ,its also known as mangal -as its deciding factor in marriage in any chart. Rahu is poisons ,betrayals ,scheming and planning ,also our grand fathers like this so many karakatwas may be more than 200 is assigned for this planets in nadis , Now immediate things r if some one has mars and rahu together in a chart ,i am isolating on trasit of sani generaly takes 30 months in a rasi ,results will vary with other planets involvements. Sani over mars will giv trouble by enemies ,mental unrest ,problems to brother,blood defects ,even landed properties may be bought or sold . rahu is magnifier of all good or bad ,as he is mouth of kaala purusha ,so he will try to increse this effects,rahu is operating from a death world as he was once killed ,so some ceremonies like that in house also cannot be ruled out , and we cannot isolate sani here . Also not a cluster of planets in leo and each trying to modyfy or decrese this effect also see venus run away from this being vakri and in cancer rasi now . Even i find some astro grps on fire esp who cater free requests and many personalities are troubled by enmies .See also some effects in global scenario when this royal signs is under fire . This is my observations and learning charan sparsh sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Learned members, > > When Saturn transits over natal Sun, or its trines, > it is said by the Nadi texts that some evil in form > of serious health setback would fall on the Native, > or his Father, or some elder Male member of > the family. > > I would like to ask the Learned members, when > Saturn transits over the Natal Mars, > then shall we translate the above principle > into Mars-signifying brother ? > Or shall we take the Lordships which Mars has > in the horoscope and interpret that way ? > > Also what happens when Saturn transits natal Rahu ? > > regards, > bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, I cannot say about mars. But saturn over natal Rahu as per my practical experience. It gives high expectations and dreams initially. It shows everything going on beautiful and then sudden Jhatka.( shock) It misguides the person and person feels over confident and then loses. It is mostly seen in terms on monetory Gains. But one more point is to be considered that if it is at bhava madhya then its effect is major. Precaution for this is , if one sees small trouble, he should immediately stop his dealings in that particular matter. No Risk should be taken. Major impact is around natal rahu's degrees +/- 4 deg orb. or in indian terms, same navamsa. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Learned members, > > When Saturn transits over natal Sun, or its trines, > it is said by the Nadi texts that some evil in form > of serious health setback would fall on the Native, > or his Father, or some elder Male member of > the family. > > I would like to ask the Learned members, when > Saturn transits over the Natal Mars, > then shall we translate the above principle > into Mars-signifying brother ? > Or shall we take the Lordships which Mars has > in the horoscope and interpret that way ? > > Also what happens when Saturn transits natal Rahu ? > > regards, > bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hare rama krishna , respected bhaskarji . The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter the deva ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god in a chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting this combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu (the great negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over this combo ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so the sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even moon the karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis treat them with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be little helpless till the ketu moves out . U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but dasa of rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it has devoured in past .U know better > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge balancely his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request u to reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u and enjoy and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u r vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now its time for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . sorry if i step out of my limits charan sparsh sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > wondering what would be the results and when > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Sunilji, Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which as a normal human being does exist, but again, I have the good wishes from kind well wishers like you and the natives who have blessed me for reading their charts. Primarily I believe in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate worry to them,and hope for good. I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get down to activation of same, with Gods grace, after 6 months time, when I would be free of some major filial duties. Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, because it also soils some part of me, till again the dirt is erased by more religious or pious action.Which is why I request all the members to join together when this happens, or stop the thread by request, if they know that this would be the eventual result, or may be likely to happen . No member should be allowed to be soiled, and the person provocating should be dealt with sternly. This is the collective and social responsibility. We cannot just walk away as silent and inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime being committed. We owe a social responsibility.As astrologers we have to be better and more spiritually stronger than the common men walking on the road. Presently there is lot of concentration of important planets in and near Leo, and also in constellations of Ketu. lets wait and see what happens ....... we have no choice any way....... best wishes, Bhaskar. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna , > > respected bhaskarji . > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter the deva > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god in a > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting this > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu (the great > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over this combo > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so the > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even moon the > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis treat them > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be little > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but dasa of > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it has > devoured in past .U know better > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge balancely > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request u to > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u and enjoy > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u r > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now its time > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > charan sparsh > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > wondering what would be the results and when > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Just let it cross the natal rahu, then no problem in my view. Mars is a general planet and i dont think it causes accidents to brothers or so. if this is so then those persons who have mars-saturn opposite or conjuct will always have accidents etc... i haave mars in gemini, and saturn had already transitted over it. Nothing happened to me, even mars is 8th and 3rd lord for me. And since it is yoga karak for you. then i donot think it can give anyting bad. yes frustration can be there. Just chill out and Relax. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Dear Sunilji, > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > like you and the natives who have blessed me > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > worry to them,and hope for good. > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > after 6 months time, when I would be free > of some major filial duties. > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > because it also soils some part of me, till > again the dirt is erased by more religious > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > members to join together when this happens, > or stop the thread by request, if they know > that this would be the eventual result, or > may be likely to happen . > No member should be allowed > to be soiled, and the person provocating > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > collective and social responsibility. We > cannot just walk away as silent and > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > being committed. We owe a social > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > better and more spiritually stronger than > the common men walking on the road. > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > important planets in and near Leo, and also > in constellations of Ketu. > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > we have no choice any way....... > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter the deva > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god in a > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting this > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu (the > great > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over this combo > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so the > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even moon the > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis treat > them > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be little > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but dasa of > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it has > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge balancely > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request u to > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u and enjoy > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u r > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now its time > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > charan sparsh > > > > sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Bhaskarji You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply any percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue that has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free market, flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is assumed that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice throws open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I have qouted above? Thanks , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Dear Sunilji, > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > like you and the natives who have blessed me > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > worry to them,and hope for good. > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > after 6 months time, when I would be free > of some major filial duties. > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > because it also soils some part of me, till > again the dirt is erased by more religious > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > members to join together when this happens, > or stop the thread by request, if they know > that this would be the eventual result, or > may be likely to happen . > No member should be allowed > to be soiled, and the person provocating > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > collective and social responsibility. We > cannot just walk away as silent and > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > being committed. We owe a social > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > better and more spiritually stronger than > the common men walking on the road. > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > important planets in and near Leo, and also > in constellations of Ketu. > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > we have no choice any way....... > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter the deva > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god in a > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting this > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu (the > great > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over this combo > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so the > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even moon the > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis treat > them > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be little > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but dasa of > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it has > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge balancely > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request u to > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u and enjoy > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u r > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now its time > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > charan sparsh > > > > sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, First let me say that I appreciate your English very much. I just know 2-3 people on the Forums who can use the English language effectively. You remind me of a friend, who does not like me calling him or openly declaring him as my friend , but whom I like very much for his good qualities including his usage of English. Now coming to the fatalism part. In My case it cannot be exactly so, but in absence of certain precise knowledge what am I supposed to do ? - Absence of knowing exactly - 1) What would Saturn trigger when passing over Natal Rahu ? 2) What would Saturn trigger when passing over natal Mars ? 3)To treat Mars and Rahu in first Bhava for this transit, as placed in natal Chart ? 4)Or To treat Mars and Rahu in 12th Bhava for this transit as placed in Cuspal Chart ? 5) Whether Saturn would trigger the event within 2 degrees of Orb, or within 1 degree of Orb of natal placement of these planets ? 6) Or within 2 degrees seperating from Natal Mars and Rahu ? 7) Mars should be treated as Natural karaka for brother in my chart or shall I treat it as denoting Myself, My Mother or My father ? since Lord of 4th and 9th. What shall I treat Mars as,when Saturn is transiting this point, as effecting Myself, My father or My Mother or My Younger Brother? 8) Once the suject is chosen then what would be the object affected - Health,wealth or what ? with refrence to the subject chosen. In absence of precise answers for above, please advise how am I supposed to feel ? But as I said, there is nothing in Life in my point of view,as known as total fatalism, since I believe I have resort to doing mantras, Japa, donations or just remaining good enough., which does reduce any fearful impacts, if any assumed. rest is relaxation in the knowledge of the Caretaker, the Parmatma, that whatever will happen, would be for my/our own good only, and keep faith in him. Since I dont have any access to the answers or many choices of answers to the above questions looming in my mind, I have resigned myself to whatever may be inevitable, not relaxing my faith in remedies or the Love and faith in The Lord. You may now feel free to comment and relay. regards, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji > > You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " > > I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply any > percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue that > has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. > > Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free market, > flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is assumed > that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our > potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. > > Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice throws > open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, > constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. > > Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I > have qouted above? > > Thanks > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > of some major filial duties. > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > members to join together when this happens, > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > may be likely to happen . > > No member should be allowed > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > collective and social responsibility. We > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > being committed. We owe a social > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter > the deva > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god > in a > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting > this > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu > (the > > great > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > this combo > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so > the > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even > moon the > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis > treat > > them > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be > little > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but > dasa of > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it > has > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge > balancely > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request > u to > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u > and enjoy > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u > r > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now > its time > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hare rama krishna dear atma _gnan ji No west is free and no market is free ,the moment they feel u r treat to them they will reverse the trend and dont mind to annihilate u ,all some lame excuses .Its like gigantic goliath is asking david to wrestle with him (the famouse biblical storey).U remeber sri -siva khera famouse expert in personality improvement what happened to his party or mission or changing india to his dreams . Pls re-read history .Here we r hearing only the his-storey of the winners ,u know the famous accusations against saddam manufacturing atomic things and final result ,they destroy even the historical monuments there by purposefully .what amount of free will of iraqis can stop it ?He may be dictator but KG to PG education was free ,and no inflation in last 30 years under his rule .food was subsidised and full medical care ,and even foreign treatments available to referal patient and u know what was problem of iraqis -obesity becuase of over eating and careless life as children was taken care by state and parent has no worry .( i am talking from my personal experince ) And our karma has 3 effects ,like our rasis movable ,mutable and fixed ,so fixed is fixed no amount of free will is possible there ,its teaching in prashna maarga . Even we r using it in recommending remedies ,and tell customer this karam phala comes under which catagary and whether remedies will work or not .its all spiritual part of astrology . thanking u for raising a good point. regrds sunil nair om shreem maha laxmai namah. http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji > > You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " > > I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply any > percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue that > has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. > > Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free market, > flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is assumed > that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our > potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. > > Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice throws > open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, > constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. > > Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I > have qouted above? > > Thanks > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > of some major filial duties. > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > members to join together when this happens, > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > may be likely to happen . > > No member should be allowed > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > collective and social responsibility. We > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > being committed. We owe a social > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter > the deva > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god > in a > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting > this > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu > (the > > great > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > this combo > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so > the > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even > moon the > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis > treat > > them > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be > little > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but > dasa of > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it > has > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge > balancely > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request > u to > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u > and enjoy > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u > r > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now > its time > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Hare ramakrishna dear tarun ji , if u dont mind can u post me your birth data in my mail Id . pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear tarunji > > yes it is true ,i was never anwering the chart as a whole and his > question was saturns movement over natal planets . > > result will always modify with other planets in your kundali and > transits ,it includes lord ships .karakatwas and other significations > like even placement .every transit it is acting along with dasa ,its > like 3 hands in clock ,dasa transits and ashtavarga or divisional charts > together shud be taken into accounts and in nadis the nadiamsa of each > plnets and lagna. > > And do u think any body can analyse transit in its full effect as moon > is moving from one rasi to another in 21/4 days. > > Even i hav mars and rahu in my chart and sani moved over it ,but rasi > was differrent ,u know i had a fire at home after completly rewiring the > house ,and the new wire caught fire when power came after powercuts and > every day i had some losses or cheating .Most of the time either power > bills or some bills always getting inflated and finaly has to pay ,even > i complained my elecric meter and replaced it 3 times in last one year > .For me nothing happened to brother ,but as an astrologer every day i > was being harassed and utilised by our spiritual and High class indians > ,once at the insistance of i put a advt in their promotional drive > and got 1000s of free requests from well placed indians all over world > and finaly i hav to put into automation and requesting all to come tru > another mail if ready to pay ,yes what happened ,they read mails and > offcourse come tru other mails for free reading .Answering mails --not > giving reading and chats all was realy took my lot of energy and what > can u do when 15 ppls coming in 5 minits with free reuests pinging in > chat and even the chat which u doing mistyped many times or the message > is going to other windows and they think its answer to there queries. > > thanks and regrds > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " Tarun " tarun.virgo@ wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Just let it cross the natal rahu, then no problem in my view. > > > > Mars is a general planet and i dont think it causes accidents to > > brothers or so. > > > > if this is so then those persons who have mars-saturn opposite or > > conjuct will always have accidents etc... > > > > i haave mars in gemini, and saturn had already transitted over it. > > > > Nothing happened to me, even mars is 8th and 3rd lord for me. > > > > And since it is yoga karak for you. then i donot think it can give > > anyting bad. > > > > yes frustration can be there. > > > > Just chill out and Relax. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > > of some major filial duties. > > > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > > members to join together when this happens, > > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > > may be likely to happen . > > > No member should be allowed > > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > > collective and social responsibility. We > > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > > being committed. We owe a social > > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter > > the deva > > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god > > in a > > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting > > this > > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu > > (the > > > great > > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > > this combo > > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so > > the > > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even > > moon the > > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis > > treat > > > them > > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be > > little > > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but > > dasa of > > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it > > has > > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge > > balancely > > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request > > u to > > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u > > and enjoy > > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u > > r > > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now > > its time > > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, Yes the results will modify if in group of planets. Actually Saturn over Natal Rahu creates confusions and then we lose our direction of mind and even concentration. and for doing everything , we need concentration. So overall it disturbs. But yes it is just 30-40 day transit so one can stay contrlled during it. Sir about your electric bills , i think that time your electric meter will be in south-west of your house. one more point is that, Dasha and Transit of bigger planets matches i.e. Guru , Saturn ,Rahu. Dasha Starts during there transit changes. like from direct to retro, retro to direct,change of sign. This i have observed. I have posted my chart on your email id . I would like to have your valuable inputs on my charts too. Thanks and Warm Regards, Tarun , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear tarunji > > yes it is true ,i was never anwering the chart as a whole and his > question was saturns movement over natal planets . > > result will always modify with other planets in your kundali and > transits ,it includes lord ships .karakatwas and other significations > like even placement .every transit it is acting along with dasa ,its > like 3 hands in clock ,dasa transits and ashtavarga or divisional charts > together shud be taken into accounts and in nadis the nadiamsa of each > plnets and lagna. > > And do u think any body can analyse transit in its full effect as moon > is moving from one rasi to another in 21/4 days. > > Even i hav mars and rahu in my chart and sani moved over it ,but rasi > was differrent ,u know i had a fire at home after completly rewiring the > house ,and the new wire caught fire when power came after powercuts and > every day i had some losses or cheating .Most of the time either power > bills or some bills always getting inflated and finaly has to pay ,even > i complained my elecric meter and replaced it 3 times in last one year > .For me nothing happened to brother ,but as an astrologer every day i > was being harassed and utilised by our spiritual and High class indians > ,once at the insistance of i put a advt in their promotional drive > and got 1000s of free requests from well placed indians all over world > and finaly i hav to put into automation and requesting all to come tru > another mail if ready to pay ,yes what happened ,they read mails and > offcourse come tru other mails for free reading .Answering mails -- not > giving reading and chats all was realy took my lot of energy and what > can u do when 15 ppls coming in 5 minits with free reuests pinging in > chat and even the chat which u doing mistyped many times or the message > is going to other windows and they think its answer to there queries. > > thanks and regrds > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , " Tarun " <tarun.virgo@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > Just let it cross the natal rahu, then no problem in my view. > > > > Mars is a general planet and i dont think it causes accidents to > > brothers or so. > > > > if this is so then those persons who have mars-saturn opposite or > > conjuct will always have accidents etc... > > > > i haave mars in gemini, and saturn had already transitted over it. > > > > Nothing happened to me, even mars is 8th and 3rd lord for me. > > > > And since it is yoga karak for you. then i donot think it can give > > anyting bad. > > > > yes frustration can be there. > > > > Just chill out and Relax. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Tarun > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > > of some major filial duties. > > > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > > members to join together when this happens, > > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > > may be likely to happen . > > > No member should be allowed > > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > > collective and social responsibility. We > > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > > being committed. We owe a social > > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter > > the deva > > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god > > in a > > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting > > this > > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu > > (the > > > great > > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > > this combo > > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so > > the > > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even > > moon the > > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis > > treat > > > them > > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be > > little > > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but > > dasa of > > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it > > has > > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge > > balancely > > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request > > u to > > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u > > and enjoy > > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u > > r > > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now > > its time > > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Members, Last night I was awake and wondering about the Saturn transit, and luckily I got hold of a explanation at 3.30 am , connected to nakshatra based predictions, as to How the Saturn would behave when it crosses the natal Planets. I request 3 examples from real Life,to know whether I have been right in assessment of the same. Those who have had the Saturn passing or crossing through some Natal planets in their charts in last few years, effecting some important events in their life, I request them to please put their Birth data on Board,so that I can try to predict what could have happened. But let it be authentic, and your own Birth Charts., so that we can talk on one to one basis, with no assumptions and presumptions. I may fail in my assessment, but at least I would have tried. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Shri Bhaskar My Birth particulars are as follows: DoB: 04-11-1951 ToB: 05:12 AM PoB: Varanasi. I would be interested in your astral analytical framework as concieved by you and results therefrom. You may ask me as many queries on my past as you may deem necessary. Regards K C Dwivedi Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Members, Last night I was awake and wondering about the Saturn transit, and luckily I got hold of a explanation at 3.30 am , connected to nakshatra based predictions, as to How the Saturn would behave when it crosses the natal Planets. I request 3 examples from real Life,to know whether I have been right in assessment of the same. Those who have had the Saturn passing or crossing through some Natal planets in their charts in last few years, effecting some important events in their life, I request them to please put their Birth data on Board,so that I can try to predict what could have happened. But let it be authentic, and your own Birth Charts., so that we can talk on one to one basis, with no assumptions and presumptions. I may fail in my assessment, but at least I would have tried. regards, Bhaskar. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Bhaskarji, Good Morning! Kindly check these two: My details: K K RAJASEKHARAN NAIR DOB: 16 FEB 1970 - AT 21 35 HRS - PLACE OF BIRTH: PALGHAT, KERALA : 76 E 39' 00 " , 10 N 46' 00 " Name: Adithya DOB: June 9, 2002 Time: 13:55:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 12' 00 " , 10 N 31' 00 " . Wadakkanchery, Trichur Thanks and best regards, Raj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Members, Last night I was awake and wondering about the Saturn transit, and luckily I got hold of a explanation at 3.30 am , connected to nakshatra based predictions, as to How the Saturn would behave when it crosses the natal Planets. I request 3 examples from real Life,to know whether I have been right in assessment of the same. Those who have had the Saturn passing or crossing through some Natal planets in their charts in last few years, effecting some important events in their life, I request them to please put their Birth data on Board,so that I can try to predict what could have happened. But let it be authentic, and your own Birth Charts., so that we can talk on one to one basis, with no assumptions and presumptions. I may fail in my assessment, but at least I would have tried. regards, Bhaskar. Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Bhaskarji I had isolated your statement as this was an issue I had been pondering over for some time. Of course, shastras declare that there are three componenets of the karma portfolio: a. Sanchit b. Kriyamana, Agami c. Prarabhda Of these three, it can be said that prarabdha karma in particular is a function of fate, while the kriyamana/ agami elements are independent.Indeed, it is this element of independence specfically in our choice encounters that places firmly the responsibility of our action (motivated by choice(decisions) ) on our shoulders. The above proposes that 1/3 of our actions have independence, while 2/3 are to an extent predetermined. Correlating these principles to what can be regarded as a matrix form of the karma model, the birth chart, implies that 1/3 of the house(4 out of 12) have scope for applying free will. Houses 3 (desires(kam), efforts, 6 (anger, (krodh), hard work and 11 (desires(greed), gains - the upachaya- are of relevence here, but there may be another to add. In terms of prarabhda (fate) one can guess at house 9, and for sanchita possibly house 5. House 1 may indicate the inclinations for the types of kiryamana karmas of interest and this can then be fused with the upachaya indications. The point of all of this is to highlight the importance of the shastras in terms of applying the philosphy of karma to astrology first and then only after using the tools of analysis (planets, houses, lordships etc). The above is breif exposition of some preliminary ideas, and I welocme additions/expansions/corrections. Thanks. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > First let me say that I appreciate your English > very much. I just know 2-3 people on the Forums > who can use the English language effectively. > You remind me of a friend, who does not like me > calling him or openly declaring him as my > friend , but whom I like very much for his good > qualities including his usage of English. > > Now coming to the fatalism part. > In My case it cannot be exactly so, > but in absence of certain precise knowledge > what am I supposed to do ? - > > Absence of knowing exactly - > > 1) What would Saturn trigger when passing > over Natal Rahu ? > > 2) What would Saturn trigger when passing > over natal Mars ? > > 3)To treat Mars and Rahu in first Bhava for > this transit, as placed in natal Chart ? > > 4)Or To treat Mars and Rahu in 12th Bhava > for this transit as placed in Cuspal Chart ? > > 5) Whether Saturn would trigger the event > within 2 degrees of Orb, or within 1 degree of Orb > of natal placement of these planets ? > > 6) Or within 2 degrees seperating from Natal > Mars and Rahu ? > > 7) Mars should be treated as Natural karaka > for brother in my chart or shall I treat it > as denoting Myself, My Mother or My father ? > since Lord of 4th and 9th. What shall I treat > Mars as,when Saturn is transiting this point, > as effecting Myself, My father or My Mother > or My Younger Brother? > > 8) Once the suject is chosen then what would > be the object affected - Health,wealth or what ? > with refrence to the subject chosen. > > In absence of precise answers for above, > please advise how am I supposed to feel ? > > But as I said, there is nothing in Life in > my point of view,as known as total fatalism, > since I believe I have resort to doing mantras, > Japa, donations or just remaining good enough., > which does reduce any fearful impacts, > if any assumed. rest is relaxation in the > knowledge of the Caretaker, the Parmatma, that > whatever will happen, would be for my/our own > good only, and keep faith in him. > > Since I dont have any access to the answers or > many choices of answers to the above questions > looming in my mind, I have resigned myself to > whatever may be inevitable, not relaxing > my faith in remedies or the Love and faith in > The Lord. > > You may now feel free to comment and relay. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " > > > > I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply any > > percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue that > > has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. > > > > Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free market, > > flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is assumed > > that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our > > potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. > > > > Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice throws > > open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, > > constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. > > > > Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I > > have qouted above? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > > of some major filial duties. > > > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > > members to join together when this happens, > > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > > may be likely to happen . > > > No member should be allowed > > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > > collective and social responsibility. We > > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > > being committed. We owe a social > > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see jupiter > > the deva > > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from god > > in a > > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be aspecting > > this > > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and ketu > > (the > > > great > > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > > this combo > > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may period so > > the > > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now even > > moon the > > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and nadis > > treat > > > them > > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will be > > little > > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is happening ,but > > dasa of > > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release what it > > has > > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can judge > > balancely > > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i request > > u to > > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke u > > and enjoy > > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i hav no > > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U remeber u > > r > > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and now > > its time > > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in future . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Atmagnaniji, This is what I have been explaining to all those who say that absolute fate is pre-determined. You have just repeated what I have professed all along. I normally take the 10th house, for applying free will till the demarcated limits.and not the 11th in the group you mentioned. Therefore I do the explaining with the 3,6 and 10th houses in focus. For instance a) The 3rd- for communications. They can either be in a sattwic,rajasic ,or tamasic manner. Here I use the latter one for those who behave in that manner. And the former ones I use with those who deal with me in the same manner. I have a choice either way to answer the opposite person. Another point regards to the 3rd. It is a house for courage. Either I allow the courage to be be kept inactive, by not repsonding to the abuses, or injusitice I face, or else I gear up the courage to speak for myself or others when the situation demands so. Here I have the choice to remain like a meek lamb or face the intruder like a Lion. This is again connected to the 6th. The more I use tamasic, the more I create enemies, related to the 6th. b) The 6th - If we know that my liver is a weak area as per my chart,its again in my hands to either spoil the liver by drinking daily, or else I make it strong ,or dont worsen it further by stopping drinking liquor altogether. I have free choice here. This is again related to the 10th by karma. c) The 10th- The Horoscope shows Good Yogas, which can be only activated by labour or right karma in the right directions. Once knowing that Yogas are there in my chart, either I sit on the bed at home, waiting for them to fructify, or activate them by hard work, efforts on my part,to activate them to the fullest extent allowed by the chart.here I have full free will again by either action or inaction. The above are examples given of the co-relation between these 3 houses and the free will. Talking about the 11th house, it may be included also in this group, but for the wise person its not needed. Desires are necessary to live, to support family, to work, to act, for action, for living a quality life. Without desires one cannot even breath. Breathing is also an integral part of desire. One breathes to live.Living is the desire, though it may be involuntary. But one has the choice here too, to commit suicide.And one has the choice here again to make his desires extremely iver bearing, so much to forget the actual aim of life, which is also to evolve spiritually. In that sense this 11th house may be included in the group, for the seeker who has still not turned wise, as to limiting his desires to a particular level of achievement in Life, and then putting a stop. All the above talks, still does not absolve us from the inevitable due from the 9th house., which is what we were supposed to talk of, in my original mail, and the compounding fears created due to the effects of Saturns transit., which is what Jyotish is about. To see the future. The above talks are spiritual related to the astrological part. But not astrology complete. The astrology would be complete only when the queries I put up, in my mail to you, would be answered. I thought the delay in your reply would bring me the answers to the same, which unfortunately did not arrive with your mail. hence I declared in advance the fatality part for certain issues, about which no inkling is observed in advance. regards, Bhaskar. , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote: > > Bhaskarji > > I had isolated your statement as this was an issue I had been > pondering over for some time. Of course, shastras declare that there > are three componenets of the karma portfolio: > > a. Sanchit > b. Kriyamana, Agami > c. Prarabhda > > Of these three, it can be said that prarabdha karma in particular is > a function of fate, while the kriyamana/ agami elements are > independent.Indeed, it is this element of independence specfically in > our choice encounters that places firmly the responsibility of our > action (motivated by choice(decisions) ) on our shoulders. > > The above proposes that 1/3 of our actions have independence, while > 2/3 are to an extent predetermined. Correlating these principles to > what can be regarded as a matrix form of the karma model, the birth > chart, implies that 1/3 of the house(4 out of 12) have scope for > applying free will. Houses 3 (desires(kam), efforts, 6 (anger, > (krodh), hard work and 11 (desires(greed), gains - the upachaya- are > of relevence here, but there may be another to add. > > In terms of prarabhda (fate) one can guess at house 9, and for > sanchita possibly house 5. House 1 may indicate the inclinations for > the types of kiryamana karmas of interest and this can then be fused > with the upachaya indications. > > The point of all of this is to highlight the importance of the > shastras in terms of applying the philosphy of karma to astrology > first and then only after using the tools of analysis (planets, > houses, lordships etc). > > The above is breif exposition of some preliminary ideas, and I > welocme additions/expansions/corrections. > > Thanks. > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > First let me say that I appreciate your English > > very much. I just know 2-3 people on the Forums > > who can use the English language effectively. > > You remind me of a friend, who does not like me > > calling him or openly declaring him as my > > friend , but whom I like very much for his good > > qualities including his usage of English. > > > > Now coming to the fatalism part. > > In My case it cannot be exactly so, > > but in absence of certain precise knowledge > > what am I supposed to do ? - > > > > Absence of knowing exactly - > > > > 1) What would Saturn trigger when passing > > over Natal Rahu ? > > > > 2) What would Saturn trigger when passing > > over natal Mars ? > > > > 3)To treat Mars and Rahu in first Bhava for > > this transit, as placed in natal Chart ? > > > > 4)Or To treat Mars and Rahu in 12th Bhava > > for this transit as placed in Cuspal Chart ? > > > > 5) Whether Saturn would trigger the event > > within 2 degrees of Orb, or within 1 degree of Orb > > of natal placement of these planets ? > > > > 6) Or within 2 degrees seperating from Natal > > Mars and Rahu ? > > > > 7) Mars should be treated as Natural karaka > > for brother in my chart or shall I treat it > > as denoting Myself, My Mother or My father ? > > since Lord of 4th and 9th. What shall I treat > > Mars as,when Saturn is transiting this point, > > as effecting Myself, My father or My Mother > > or My Younger Brother? > > > > 8) Once the suject is chosen then what would > > be the object affected - Health,wealth or what ? > > with refrence to the subject chosen. > > > > In absence of precise answers for above, > > please advise how am I supposed to feel ? > > > > But as I said, there is nothing in Life in > > my point of view,as known as total fatalism, > > since I believe I have resort to doing mantras, > > Japa, donations or just remaining good enough., > > which does reduce any fearful impacts, > > if any assumed. rest is relaxation in the > > knowledge of the Caretaker, the Parmatma, that > > whatever will happen, would be for my/our own > > good only, and keep faith in him. > > > > Since I dont have any access to the answers or > > many choices of answers to the above questions > > looming in my mind, I have resigned myself to > > whatever may be inevitable, not relaxing > > my faith in remedies or the Love and faith in > > The Lord. > > > > You may now feel free to comment and relay. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " > > > > > > I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply > any > > > percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue > that > > > has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. > > > > > > Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free > market, > > > flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is > assumed > > > that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our > > > potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. > > > > > > Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice > throws > > > open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, > > > constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. > > > > > > Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I > > > have qouted above? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > > > of some major filial duties. > > > > > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > > > members to join together when this happens, > > > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > > > may be likely to happen . > > > > No member should be allowed > > > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > > > collective and social responsibility. We > > > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > > > being committed. We owe a social > > > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see > jupiter > > > the deva > > > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from > god > > > in a > > > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be > aspecting > > > this > > > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and > ketu > > > (the > > > > great > > > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > > > this combo > > > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may > period so > > > the > > > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now > even > > > moon the > > > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and > nadis > > > treat > > > > them > > > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will > be > > > little > > > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is > happening ,but > > > dasa of > > > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release > what it > > > has > > > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can > judge > > > balancely > > > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i > request > > > u to > > > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke > u > > > and enjoy > > > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i > hav no > > > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U > remeber u > > > r > > > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and > now > > > its time > > > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in > future . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, A very nice post, even it may or may not link to the transit, but it says many things behind it. which are more or less necessary to take in major considerations. Warm Regards, Tarun , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > This is what I have been explaining to all those > who say that absolute fate is pre-determined. > You have just repeated what I have professed > all along. > > I normally take the 10th house, for applying > free will till the demarcated limits.and not the > 11th in the group you mentioned. > > Therefore I do the explaining with the 3,6 and > 10th houses in focus. > > For instance > a) The 3rd- for communications. They can either > be in a sattwic,rajasic ,or tamasic manner. > Here I use the latter one for those who behave > in that manner. And the former ones I use with > those who deal with me in > the same manner. I have a choice > either way to answer the opposite person. > Another point regards to the 3rd. It is > a house for courage. Either I allow the > courage to be be kept inactive, by not > repsonding to the abuses, or injusitice > I face, or else I gear up the courage to speak for > myself or others when the situation demands so. > Here I have the choice to remain like a meek > lamb or face the intruder like a Lion. > This is again connected to the 6th. > The more I use tamasic, the more I create enemies, > related to the 6th. > > b) The 6th - If we know that my liver is a weak > area as per my chart,its again in my hands to > either spoil the liver by drinking daily, or else > I make it strong ,or dont worsen it further by > stopping drinking liquor altogether. > I have free choice here. > This is again related to the 10th by karma. > > c) The 10th- The Horoscope shows Good Yogas, > which can be only activated by labour or right > karma in the right directions. Once knowing that > Yogas are there in my chart, > either I sit on the bed at home, waiting for > them to fructify, or activate them by hard work, > efforts on my part,to activate them to the fullest > extent allowed by the chart.here I have full free > will again by either action or inaction. > > The above are examples given of the co-relation > between these 3 houses and the free will. > > Talking about the 11th house, it may be included also > in this group, but for the wise person its not needed. > Desires are necessary to live, to support family, to > work, to act, for action, for living a quality life. > Without desires one cannot even breath. Breathing > is also an integral part of desire. > One breathes to live.Living is the desire, though it > may be involuntary. But one has the choice here too, > to commit suicide.And one has the choice here again > to make his desires extremely iver bearing, so much > to forget the actual aim of life, which is also to > evolve spiritually. In that sense this 11th house > may be included in the group, for the seeker who > has still not turned wise, as to limiting his desires > to a particular level of achievement in Life, and > then putting a stop. > > All the above talks, still does not absolve us from > the inevitable due from the 9th house., which is > what we were supposed to talk of, in my original mail, > and the compounding fears created due to the effects > of Saturns transit., which is what Jyotish is about. > To see the future. The above talks are spiritual > related to the astrological part. But not astrology > complete. > > The astrology would be complete only when the > queries I put up, in my mail to you, would be > answered. I thought the delay in your reply would > bring me the answers to the same, which unfortunately > did not arrive with your mail. hence I declared in > advance the fatality part for certain issues, about > which no inkling is observed in advance. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > I had isolated your statement as this was an issue I had been > > pondering over for some time. Of course, shastras declare that there > > are three componenets of the karma portfolio: > > > > a. Sanchit > > b. Kriyamana, Agami > > c. Prarabhda > > > > Of these three, it can be said that prarabdha karma in particular is > > a function of fate, while the kriyamana/ agami elements are > > independent.Indeed, it is this element of independence specfically in > > our choice encounters that places firmly the responsibility of our > > action (motivated by choice(decisions) ) on our shoulders. > > > > The above proposes that 1/3 of our actions have independence, while > > 2/3 are to an extent predetermined. Correlating these principles to > > what can be regarded as a matrix form of the karma model, the birth > > chart, implies that 1/3 of the house(4 out of 12) have scope for > > applying free will. Houses 3 (desires(kam), efforts, 6 (anger, > > (krodh), hard work and 11 (desires(greed), gains - the upachaya- are > > of relevence here, but there may be another to add. > > > > In terms of prarabhda (fate) one can guess at house 9, and for > > sanchita possibly house 5. House 1 may indicate the inclinations for > > the types of kiryamana karmas of interest and this can then be fused > > with the upachaya indications. > > > > The point of all of this is to highlight the importance of the > > shastras in terms of applying the philosphy of karma to astrology > > first and then only after using the tools of analysis (planets, > > houses, lordships etc). > > > > The above is breif exposition of some preliminary ideas, and I > > welocme additions/expansions/corrections. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Atmagnaniji, > > > > > > First let me say that I appreciate your English > > > very much. I just know 2-3 people on the Forums > > > who can use the English language effectively. > > > You remind me of a friend, who does not like me > > > calling him or openly declaring him as my > > > friend , but whom I like very much for his good > > > qualities including his usage of English. > > > > > > Now coming to the fatalism part. > > > In My case it cannot be exactly so, > > > but in absence of certain precise knowledge > > > what am I supposed to do ? - > > > > > > Absence of knowing exactly - > > > > > > 1) What would Saturn trigger when passing > > > over Natal Rahu ? > > > > > > 2) What would Saturn trigger when passing > > > over natal Mars ? > > > > > > 3)To treat Mars and Rahu in first Bhava for > > > this transit, as placed in natal Chart ? > > > > > > 4)Or To treat Mars and Rahu in 12th Bhava > > > for this transit as placed in Cuspal Chart ? > > > > > > 5) Whether Saturn would trigger the event > > > within 2 degrees of Orb, or within 1 degree of Orb > > > of natal placement of these planets ? > > > > > > 6) Or within 2 degrees seperating from Natal > > > Mars and Rahu ? > > > > > > 7) Mars should be treated as Natural karaka > > > for brother in my chart or shall I treat it > > > as denoting Myself, My Mother or My father ? > > > since Lord of 4th and 9th. What shall I treat > > > Mars as,when Saturn is transiting this point, > > > as effecting Myself, My father or My Mother > > > or My Younger Brother? > > > > > > 8) Once the suject is chosen then what would > > > be the object affected - Health,wealth or what ? > > > with refrence to the subject chosen. > > > > > > In absence of precise answers for above, > > > please advise how am I supposed to feel ? > > > > > > But as I said, there is nothing in Life in > > > my point of view,as known as total fatalism, > > > since I believe I have resort to doing mantras, > > > Japa, donations or just remaining good enough., > > > which does reduce any fearful impacts, > > > if any assumed. rest is relaxation in the > > > knowledge of the Caretaker, the Parmatma, that > > > whatever will happen, would be for my/our own > > > good only, and keep faith in him. > > > > > > Since I dont have any access to the answers or > > > many choices of answers to the above questions > > > looming in my mind, I have resigned myself to > > > whatever may be inevitable, not relaxing > > > my faith in remedies or the Love and faith in > > > The Lord. > > > > > > You may now feel free to comment and relay. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > You mentioned that " we have no choice anyway............... " > > > > > > > > I shan't assign any interpretations to this statement and apply > > any > > > > percieved context but it does give rise to an interesting issue > > that > > > > has never really been resolved with any real satisfaction. > > > > > > > > Choice is what the western world revolves around : the free > > market, > > > > flexible marriages, freedom of expression etc etc. Thus it is > > assumed > > > > that as long as we make the 'right' choice we can maximise our > > > > potential to achive an outcome in any given situation. > > > > > > > > Relaxing this assumption and declaring an absence of choice > > throws > > > > open a wholly different perspective and introduces fatalism, > > > > constrained evolvement etc into the equation of fate. > > > > > > > > Before going further, could you please elaborate on your remark I > > > > have qouted above? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks very much for your kind re-post on the > > > > > matter.I confess there is some fear in me, which > > > > > as a normal human being does exist, but again, > > > > > I have the good wishes from kind well wishers > > > > > like you and the natives who have blessed me > > > > > for reading their charts. Primarily I believe > > > > > in Lord Krishna and Sri Hanumanji, who I think > > > > > know whats best for us, so I leave the ultimate > > > > > worry to them,and hope for good. > > > > > > > > > > I have my Vimsamsa in mind. And I would get > > > > > down to activation of same, with Gods grace, > > > > > after 6 months time, when I would be free > > > > > of some major filial duties. > > > > > > > > > > Retaliation to provokers I never enjoy, > > > > > because it also soils some part of me, till > > > > > again the dirt is erased by more religious > > > > > or pious action.Which is why I request all the > > > > > members to join together when this happens, > > > > > or stop the thread by request, if they know > > > > > that this would be the eventual result, or > > > > > may be likely to happen . > > > > > No member should be allowed > > > > > to be soiled, and the person provocating > > > > > should be dealt with sternly. This is the > > > > > collective and social responsibility. We > > > > > cannot just walk away as silent and > > > > > inactive witnesses, who enjoyed the crime > > > > > being committed. We owe a social > > > > > responsibility.As astrologers we have to be > > > > > better and more spiritually stronger than > > > > > the common men walking on the road. > > > > > > > > > > Presently there is lot of concentration of > > > > > important planets in and near Leo, and also > > > > > in constellations of Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > lets wait and see what happens ....... > > > > > we have no choice any way....... > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji . > > > > > > > > > > > > The degree wise position is alarming but if u see > > jupiter > > > > the deva > > > > > > ,brahmana,mantra karaka and signification of blessing from > > god > > > > in a > > > > > > chart is going to change its position and it will be > > aspecting > > > > this > > > > > > combinations .so relief will be there to great extent . > > > > > > > > > > > > And main problem is coming is from transit of mars and > > ketu > > > > (the > > > > > great > > > > > > negeter and tail of a pipe which acting from past life) over > > > > this combo > > > > > > ,and it will be moving out from this area by april ,may > > period so > > > > the > > > > > > sign of complete relief u can expect from that period .Now > > even > > > > moon the > > > > > > karaka for mind is also coming under its influence . > > > > > > > > > > > > U know nodes it has power to afflict any body and > > nadis > > > > treat > > > > > them > > > > > > with fear only .But jupiter is coming to save u and he will > > be > > > > little > > > > > > helpless till the ketu moves out . > > > > > > > > > > > > U can expect good things in life ,and a change is > > happening ,but > > > > dasa of > > > > > > rahu will be for 18 years and slowly only it will release > > what it > > > > has > > > > > > devoured in past .U know better > > > > > > > > > > > > > So be patient and dont panic--i know no astrologer can > > judge > > > > balancely > > > > > > his own chart ,like no doctor can treat himself ,also i > > request > > > > u to > > > > > > reduce the retaliation to people those who wanted to provoke > > u > > > > and enjoy > > > > > > and when in angry we r not very good to watch at .I know i > > hav no > > > > > > authority to tell u .And i am also bad when provoked .U > > remeber u > > > > r > > > > > > vimshamsa (spiritual progress) we discussed privately and > > now > > > > its time > > > > > > for your such activites also which will be fruitified in > > future . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i step out of my limits > > > > > > > > > > > > charan sparsh > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sunilji, and Tarunji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am having Saturn transiting over My > > > > > > > Natal Mars and Rahu , both at 6 degrees in > > > > > > > Leo. Today Saturn is at 4.30 degrees. I was > > > > > > > wondering what would be the results and when > > > > > > > would it fructify . Hence the query to You > > > > > > > all. Personally I am waiting for it cross > > > > > > > over to 9 degrees,and further, before I > > > > > > > breath a sigh of relief. Any comments ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Dear Shri Krishnaji, I will take up your query in the next week probably, as I am a bit occupied in some pending assignments.It is my personal interest, because, we get to develop our skills and know where we may have been wrong in our assessment, if Live cases and one to one experience is shared in astrological discussions. Saturns Transit is a vital point and major event creating crossover, which needs to be solved, because of the dreads associated with the same. As far as I see, not all such transits can be termed to be as malefic. This is what has to be bifercated, which ones can be good and which can be painful to the native. In case of Jupiter, being a Sattvic planet, and a Natural benefic not much worries is attached to the same, which point also should be checked, whether really it is so whenever it forms square,Trine or Conjunction with Natal planets ? These are the areas which help us in determining important events. Just day before yesterday, I had visitors from a TV News Channel,and the lady asked me to predict about her present conditions. Without opening the Vomsottari chart Page, I told her on the basis of the Saturn transit in Leo,that did she suffer some injury on her legs below the kness. She got impressed very much and revealed that she had a accident 2 months back, which ruptured the muscular ligament for which she had to suffer for 15 days, and take medication which is continued still. I have her details,and will put those as a example illustration, in due course, after taking up your and the other enquiry. We will see whether the parameters are the same on all charts or not. regards, Bhaskar. , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi <kcdd8 wrote: > > Dear Shri Bhaskar > > My Birth particulars are as follows: > > DoB: 04-11-1951 > ToB: 05:12 AM > PoB: Varanasi. > > I would be interested in your astral analytical framework as concieved by you and results therefrom. You may ask me as many queries on my past as you may deem necessary. > > Regards > > K C Dwivedi > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Members, > > Last night I was awake and wondering about the > Saturn transit, and luckily I got hold of a > explanation at 3.30 am , connected to nakshatra > based predictions, as to How the Saturn would > behave when it crosses the natal Planets. > > I request 3 examples from real Life,to know whether > I have been right in assessment of the same. > > Those who have had the Saturn passing or crossing > through some Natal planets in their charts in last > few years, effecting some important events in > their life, I request them to please put their > Birth data on Board,so that I can try to predict > what could have happened. > > But let it be authentic, and your own Birth > Charts., so that we can talk on one to one basis, > with no assumptions and presumptions. > > I may fail in my assessment, but at least > I would have tried. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Dear Shri Bhaskar Please do it at your convenience. The subject of research chosen by you and the insight you got at the dead of the night interested me, hence the query. Thanks and regards K C Dwivedi Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Shri Krishnaji, I will take up your query in the next week probably, as I am a bit occupied in some pending assignments.It is my personal interest, because, we get to develop our skills and know where we may have been wrong in our assessment, if Live cases and one to one experience is shared in astrological discussions. Saturns Transit is a vital point and major event creating crossover, which needs to be solved, because of the dreads associated with the same. As far as I see, not all such transits can be termed to be as malefic. This is what has to be bifercated, which ones can be good and which can be painful to the native. In case of Jupiter, being a Sattvic planet, and a Natural benefic not much worries is attached to the same, which point also should be checked, whether really it is so whenever it forms square,Trine or Conjunction with Natal planets ? These are the areas which help us in determining important events. Just day before yesterday, I had visitors from a TV News Channel,and the lady asked me to predict about her present conditions. Without opening the Vomsottari chart Page, I told her on the basis of the Saturn transit in Leo,that did she suffer some injury on her legs below the kness. She got impressed very much and revealed that she had a accident 2 months back, which ruptured the muscular ligament for which she had to suffer for 15 days, and take medication which is continued still. I have her details,and will put those as a example illustration, in due course, after taking up your and the other enquiry. We will see whether the parameters are the same on all charts or not. regards, Bhaskar. , Krishna Chandra Dwivedi <kcdd8 wrote: > > Dear Shri Bhaskar > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 12 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Search. Beauty & Fashion on Share style tips and advice. . Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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