Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Respected Panditji,Pranaams, A very powerful mail from you Sir With sincere people like you,there is light at the end of the tunnel (for Hinduism) Regards, aavesh mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003 wrote: Dear all, In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your dharma then you will progress. I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals blindly, well let me tell your a small story. If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " Not that you get what you repeat , but that you actually become that. Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good and if you visualise what you repeat, well, then you become what you repeat ( may take some time depending on what your ability to follow the restrictions of Samaya Sthana Samagri Sankhya Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what length of time you are able to maintain these) They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I am sure that all of you can enumerate them, but just for the old gentleman who has a library full of books , forget about your books, treat my words like the truth and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants to experience this following the niyamas mentioned above can try it) Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121 days keeping Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It will take you at least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent Rama Nama japa, and do not move during this japa at least , face North. Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a Chiranjeevi. Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the following, Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from Sanarni surya Tanayo to the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once at night for 100 days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in that if you take a sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible for what happens to you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards. Alternately do two Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you have to do these yourself. See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana, they all talk about theory. There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly Mahakala arrives and then what , He did not give the avatars time to say anything much, what will He give ordinary mortals. Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not need to do anything else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come and visit you. See the difference between Hinduism and other faiths( and India in general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism shows you how to create them. Dr. Manish Pandit www.gajanan.info www.jyotishashastra.org www.shreerudram.com www.gajanana.co.uk Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Respected Pandit ji, I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit living in UK must be having good source of income.You may not be knowing that in India 70% of population sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing, shelter,medical help and education.With all these powers for which you are advocating India remain slave to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year under British empires.Where were your super-natural power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty of India Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to public.The public will get food, health and shelter when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical health.The physical health will come through yoga and medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to be healthy and earn money. I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and customs prevailing in India.I have come to know recentally to my surprise that some peoples from different state remove the hairs of their daughter in laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people in villages? It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste of some one. But these are the facts.I am sorry. --- mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003 wrote: > Dear all, > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your > dharma then you will > progress. > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals > blindly, well let me tell > your a small story. > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you > actually become that. > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good > and if you > visualise what you repeat, well, then you become > what you repeat ( may > take some time depending on what your ability to > follow the restrictions > of > Samaya > Sthana > Samagri > Sankhya > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what > length of time you are > able to maintain these) > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I > am sure that all of > you can enumerate them, but just for the old > gentleman who has a library > full of books , forget about your books, treat my > words like the truth > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants > to experience this > following the niyamas mentioned above can try it) > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121 > days keeping > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It > will take you at > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent > Rama Nama japa, and > do not move during this japa at least , face North. > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a > Chiranjeevi. > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the > following, > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from > Sanarni surya Tanayo to > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once > at night for 100 > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in > that if you take a > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible > for what happens to > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards. > Alternately do two > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you > have to do these > yourself. > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana, > they all talk about > theory. > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly > Mahakala arrives and > then what , He did not give the avatars time to say > anything much, what > will He give ordinary mortals. > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not > need to do anything > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come > and visit you. > > See the difference between Hinduism and other > faiths( and India in > general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism > shows you how to > create them. > > > Dr. Manish Pandit > www.gajanan.info > www.jyotishashastra.org > www.shreerudram.com > www.gajanana.co.uk > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 A beautiful reply, as usual in his style, by Shri Bharatji. Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Kursija > > Sri M Pandit is a doctor and a surgeon. He is also a writer of astrology > books. He is been a member before I joined in. I will let him give his > introduction to you, but, surely he is not a puja-pathi pandit in the > derogatory sense that you have meant. Many puja-pathi pandits, I know are > doing amazing work. > > I would rather focus on some of the other comments that you have made, > please read responses in blue: > > Respected Pandit ji, > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit > living in UK must be having good source of income.You > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing, > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > powers for which you are advocating India remain slave > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year > under British empires.Where were your super-natural > power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty > of India > Whenever India has been invaded, it was due to erosion of values and > corrosion of our Dharma. Selfishness and gratification took precedence > before Dharma. Whenever, we have followed our Dharma we have thrown out > aggressors and also achieved major growth in terms of worldly achievements. > Chanakya used Dharma principles to drive out the greeks. Gandhiji (inspired > by Swami Vivekananda) and many others used Dharma principles to drive out > the British. > > Dharma protects and nourishes. Adharma erodes and creates division, strife > and poverty in society. Hence, do not blame Religion for it. And do not mock > at the spiritual activity/ meditativeness/ puja vidhi for the ills of not > following dharma. > > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to > public.The public will get food, health and shelter > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical > health.The physical health will come through yoga and > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to > be healthy and earn money. > I have seen poor people having more faith in the Lord than many of the so > called Rich. Instead of blaming the Lord for their plight, they happily > worship him for what the Lord has given them. Perhaps they have a stronger > understanding of the Law of Karma, than many of the Vidvaans. They worship > the lord as the karmaphaladata and also as friend who listens to their happy > and sad tales. Why should worship stop because one does not have enough to > eat? > > Let me also tell you a story of one of my student in a school. When he was > 12 years old his father suddenly passed away and mother lost her balance of > mind. This little boy took up work in a garage in the evening and earned and > paid his fees, while in day time he attended School and also took care of > his mother. He told his School principal that he loved my sessions on > Vedanta, cause it gave him strength to live. You know I never thought I was > making such an impact on someone so young and felt my life was worthwhile if > it gives hope to such a young and determined boy who has been through a > tragedy. > > Herein, Religion gave support, courage and will to live when many could have > perished under the circumstances. > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > different state remove the hairs of their daughter in > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people > in villages? > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste > This is a new one. I have not heard of such a thing. > > Social ills aren't connected to Hindu Dharma. Many a times foolish people > think that Hinduism promotes casteism. This is utterly false. Those who do > not understand Hindu Dharma and have become irreligious promote casteism to > gain person gains. Nowadays, it is the turn of Politicians and some of the > minorities to gain favors and power through promoting casteism. > > Similarly, if you turn to the roots of a social ill, it would turn out to be > more of a ploy used irrelgiously to gain power, money, etc. > > Instead of blaming or mocking on pujas, methods of worship, if you were to > focus on the root of the problems, things will be seen with better clarity. > > Finally, all the threads on Hinduism started with a foolish man saying > rubbish about Lord Rama and his mother. That most of you have lost focus to > tackle him and instead question Hinduism and its practice has left be > astounded. Perhaps you can all focus on what the problem was instead of > increasing posts by erroneously attacking " imagined hinduism " . > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Panditji, I am very happy to hear you back again after a long silence. What you said is 100% correct. Those who practice (no talking theory) can certainly realize the importance of these things. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , " mmpandit2003 " <mmpandit2003 wrote: > > Dear all, > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your dharma then you will > progress. > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals blindly, well let me tell > your a small story. > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you actually become that. > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good and if you > visualise what you repeat, well, then you become what you repeat ( may > take some time depending on what your ability to follow the restrictions > of > Samaya > Sthana > Samagri > Sankhya > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what length of time you are > able to maintain these) > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I am sure that all of > you can enumerate them, but just for the old gentleman who has a library > full of books , forget about your books, treat my words like the truth > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants to experience this > following the niyamas mentioned above can try it) > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121 days keeping > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It will take you at > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent Rama Nama japa, and > do not move during this japa at least , face North. > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a Chiranjeevi. > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the following, > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from Sanarni surya Tanayo to > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once at night for 100 > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in that if you take a > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible for what happens to > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards. Alternately do two > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you have to do these > yourself. > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana, they all talk about > theory. > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly Mahakala arrives and > then what , He did not give the avatars time to say anything much, what > will He give ordinary mortals. > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not need to do anything > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come and visit you. > > See the difference between Hinduism and other faiths( and India in > general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism shows you how to > create them. > > > Dr. Manish Pandit > www.gajanan.info > www.jyotishashastra.org > www.shreerudram.com > www.gajanana.co.uk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 A small story (Real) of A Father and two sons. Father - Aged 48 First Son - Aged 22 Second Son - Aged 19 Father is not having any business as such, for last 20 years, he just goes and sits in his office and waits for his Ball bearing material to be sold which was imported 20 years back. He keeps on buying and selling shares in the meanwhile. He is a middleclass person, but has yet managed very well to give food to at least 10 persons daily in his Life since my last 25 years of association with him. He listens to his wife on every order given to him, but has never scolded her till date or abused her. He is ready to help anyone even at 2.00am in night if approached. While coming home from office he visits the famous temples of Kalbadevi every evening, including the Mumbadevi temple and the Nar-Narayan Mandir. First son was topper in Jaihind College (Prestigious college in Bombay) in Bombay, both in Education and extra curriculum activities. Chairman of a social Yuva committee of a 10000 strong member community. Doing MBA, CA, and Mcom simultaneously employed at Rs.25000- salary per month which is untouched by his parents.He is already in process of completing all Financial exams held by the NSE of India. A remuneration of Rs. 2 Lakhs per month awaits him when he finishes his present courses. Second son was also a topper in both school and college, now in IIT and a very bright student. The wife is a modern lady but yet devoted to her husband. The whole family does all the Ekadashis, and other vratas prescribed in our religion. including Navratri. regular Ramayana Path, daily writing of Rama Japa, AND 51 Hanuman Chalisa daily by each member of the family. I have never seen this family facing crisis of any type in last 25 years. Though this family is living by moderate means, yet each member has taken out time from his busy schedule to fit in his spiritual activities. I also know a Pujari of a famous Hanuman temple in Bombay, who does Seva there every week 2-4 hours daily, who is young and unmarried, who does 51 Hanuman Chalisas since last 4 years. He told me personally that he has never faced a headache even, since he started this. he has also been given a Cloth shop near the temple, by Baba (Hanumanji) is what he told me recently. The above is the power of 51 Hanuman Chalisas. I have many such real examples to relate, but this mail would become very long. I have taken out time to write this mail, just to accentuate the fact, that economical or social or individual status or conditions or problems do not prevent a person from indulging seriously in his spiritual and religious activities, if one wishes to, and if one has faith in same. One may also change his destiny if he requires with Good quality Jap, Tapa and yoga (Not physical Yoga), but for us ordinary mortals when we combine other habits and actions which involve lies, lobha, kama and krodha, of course we cannot expect destiny change, but at least a way is shown to us by the almighty, we come under His care, a protection sheath is given to us, power to face the miseries and bad destiny is given to us, which should be enough for us to remain content. Durga Saptashati may be hard to pronounce, but Hanuman Chalisa every one can do, and see the good effects, as long as it is not combined with bad habits like lust for skin pleasures from illegal sources, apart from wife, and that too in moderation. Hope this helps a few. regards, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected Pandit ji, > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit > living in UK must be having good source of income.You > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing, > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > powers for which you are advocating India remain slave > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year > under British empires.Where were your super-natural > power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty > of India > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to > public.The public will get food, health and shelter > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical > health.The physical health will come through yoga and > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to > be healthy and earn money. > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > different state remove the hairs of their daughter in > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people > in villages? > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste > of some one. But these are the facts.I am sorry. > --- mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003 wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your > > dharma then you will > > progress. > > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals > > blindly, well let me tell > > your a small story. > > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that > > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " > > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you > > actually become that. > > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good > > and if you > > visualise what you repeat, well, then you become > > what you repeat ( may > > take some time depending on what your ability to > > follow the restrictions > > of > > Samaya > > Sthana > > Samagri > > Sankhya > > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what > > length of time you are > > able to maintain these) > > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I > > am sure that all of > > you can enumerate them, but just for the old > > gentleman who has a library > > full of books , forget about your books, treat my > > words like the truth > > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants > > to experience this > > following the niyamas mentioned above can try it) > > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121 > > days keeping > > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It > > will take you at > > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent > > Rama Nama japa, and > > do not move during this japa at least , face North. > > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a > > Chiranjeevi. > > > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the > > following, > > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from > > Sanarni surya Tanayo to > > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once > > at night for 100 > > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in > > that if you take a > > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible > > for what happens to > > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards. > > Alternately do two > > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you > > have to do these > > yourself. > > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana, > > they all talk about > > theory. > > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly > > Mahakala arrives and > > then what , He did not give the avatars time to say > > anything much, what > > will He give ordinary mortals. > > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not > > need to do anything > > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come > > and visit you. > > > > See the difference between Hinduism and other > > faiths( and India in > > general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism > > shows you how to > > create them. > > > > > > Dr. Manish Pandit > > www.gajanan.info > > www.jyotishashastra.org > > www.shreerudram.com > > www.gajanana.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Namaste Sri Kishore Varna Dharma is not casteism that prevails in the current form. The 3 qualities of mother nature - Sattva, Rajas and Tamas express themselves in 4 unique ways in an individual. As you must be aware, all three exist in everything that is in the mother nature. 1. When Sattva is predominant and Rajas and Tamas are in very less measure - Brahmin 2. When Rajas is predominant but one tends from Rajas to Sattva with a bit of Tamas - Kshatriya 3. When Rajas is predominant but one tends from Rajas to Tamas with a bit of Sattva - Vaishya 4. When Tamas is predominant and Rajas and Sattva are in less measure - Shudra As per hindu dharma, a Kshatriya can be born of a Brahmin and a Brahmin can be born of a Shudra. The above is not birth or lineage related. However, it seemed as if that it was lineage related and its wrong interpretation started becoming a vice. It is that vice I was talking about and not the Varna Dharma per se. I am sure you would have gathered that. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 10/29/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear Bharat, > > Caste system is a socio economic system that has been automatically > developed in Post Mahabharat era. > > Prior to that, we only had Varna system which comprised of 4 only Varnas. > > You will very well agree that a CEO's daughter will not marry a sub > staff's > son and in majority of the cases, this is seen odd. So, you have already > created a sort of inequality among sections. This happens, many a time > even if the boy has studied well and is working in London and the girl is > a > mere housewife. In other words, the socio economic back ground has played > its role here. > > Same way, it can be seen that marrying across the social strata is seen to > be bad for social welfare. > > As things would have had it, the Mahabharata war has taken place with the > able bodied and security providing men dieing in millions. The ladies were > abducted and there was a social chaos that followed > great war. There was a huge mixing of the varnas and with time, it gave > rise > to new social classes. > > More over, there was a rise of rural cottage industries and every village > started becoming self sufficient. This led to another set of socio > economic > layers called caste system. If I were a pot maker, my wife too helps me in > making pots. So, how would I adjust if I marry a butcher's daughter? In > other words, I have no choice than to marry from my own 'caste' in view of > the helping hand required from my household in my livelihood. > > Similarly, if I were a brahmin, I need to keep strict vigil over my habits > and there are rituals to be followed without fail everyday and during the > month and year. If my wife is to be from a kshatriya's family, then with > in > no time I would lose my peace of mind since she would not be able to help > me > at all in keeping all those rituals going. > > Hence, the need for caste system to be intact. We can not certainly say it > is evil or something but no doubt, it has to change with times. > > Finally, let me ask one thing: if there is no caste system in Europe(in > another form, of course), why there was a furore when Diana, a commoner > was > married to Royalty? > > Any replies? > > kishore patnaik > 9849270729 > > On 10/29/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu<astrologyhindu%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Kursija > > > > Sri M Pandit is a doctor and a surgeon. He is also a writer of astrology > > books. He is been a member before I joined in. I will let him give his > > introduction to you, but, surely he is not a puja-pathi pandit in the > > derogatory sense that you have meant. Many puja-pathi pandits, I know > are > > doing amazing work. > > > > I would rather focus on some of the other comments that you have made, > > please read responses in blue: > > > > Respected Pandit ji, > > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly > > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit > > living in UK must be having good source of income.You > > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > > sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing, > > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > > powers for which you are advocating India remain slave > > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year > > under British empires.Where were your super-natural > > power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty > > of India > > Whenever India has been invaded, it was due to erosion of values and > > corrosion of our Dharma. Selfishness and gratification took precedence > > before Dharma. Whenever, we have followed our Dharma we have thrown out > > aggressors and also achieved major growth in terms of worldly > > achievements. > > Chanakya used Dharma principles to drive out the greeks. Gandhiji > > (inspired > > by Swami Vivekananda) and many others used Dharma principles to drive > out > > the British. > > > > Dharma protects and nourishes. Adharma erodes and creates division, > strife > > and poverty in society. Hence, do not blame Religion for it. And do not > > mock > > at the spiritual activity/ meditativeness/ puja vidhi for the ills of > not > > following dharma. > > > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to > > public.The public will get food, health and shelter > > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical > > health.The physical health will come through yoga and > > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to > > be healthy and earn money. > > I have seen poor people having more faith in the Lord than many of the > so > > called Rich. Instead of blaming the Lord for their plight, they happily > > worship him for what the Lord has given them. Perhaps they have a > stronger > > understanding of the Law of Karma, than many of the Vidvaans. They > worship > > the lord as the karmaphaladata and also as friend who listens to their > > happy > > and sad tales. Why should worship stop because one does not have enough > to > > eat? > > > > Let me also tell you a story of one of my student in a school. When he > was > > 12 years old his father suddenly passed away and mother lost her balance > > of > > mind. This little boy took up work in a garage in the evening and earned > > and > > paid his fees, while in day time he attended School and also took care > of > > his mother. He told his School principal that he loved my sessions on > > Vedanta, cause it gave him strength to live. You know I never thought I > > was > > making such an impact on someone so young and felt my life was > worthwhile > > if > > it gives hope to such a young and determined boy who has been through a > > tragedy. > > > > Herein, Religion gave support, courage and will to live when many could > > have > > perished under the circumstances. > > > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and > > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > > different state remove the hairs of their daughter in > > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them > > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people > > in villages? > > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon > > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste > > This is a new one. I have not heard of such a thing. > > > > Social ills aren't connected to Hindu Dharma. Many a times foolish > people > > think that Hinduism promotes casteism. This is utterly false. Those who > do > > not understand Hindu Dharma and have become irreligious promote casteism > > to > > gain person gains. Nowadays, it is the turn of Politicians and some of > the > > minorities to gain favors and power through promoting casteism. > > > > Similarly, if you turn to the roots of a social ill, it would turn out > to > > be > > more of a ploy used irrelgiously to gain power, money, etc. > > > > Instead of blaming or mocking on pujas, methods of worship, if you were > to > > focus on the root of the problems, things will be seen with better > > clarity. > > > > Finally, all the threads on Hinduism started with a foolish man saying > > rubbish about Lord Rama and his mother. That most of you have lost focus > > to > > tackle him and instead question Hinduism and its practice has left be > > astounded. Perhaps you can all focus on what the problem was instead of > > increasing posts by erroneously attacking " imagined hinduism " . > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Dear Sri Kursija, You make a good point - without basic comforts in life, it is difficult to perform spiritual sadhana. There are so many who are not in a position to perform any sadhana. There is no point in lecturing about God to a starving person. Well, the haves should try to help the havenots. BTW, Manish is not a karmakandi pandit or priest as you assumed. He is a medical doctor and a Yogi. Pandit is his surname. I know Manish quite well and know the compassion he has for the people you mention. Your displeasure is perhaps misdirected. Manish's current message is for a different set of people and it is an important message too. There are so many people in this world who are well off and yet don't spend much time on spiritual sadhana. They are concerned about their salary, raises, promotions, wife, children, house, cars etc and life finishes before they know it. Punya from the past lives may have awarded one with material blessings in this life, but there is no guarantee the same will happen again! After squandering the opportunity to do some sadhana in this life, one may be placed in a different situation in the next life and sadhana may be more difficult. Each journey on this earth in a mortal body is an opportunity to accumulate more punya for future journeys and, if possible, be liberated. People who rejoice in their material blessings and do no serious sadhana are akin to those who are living off a bank balance built in the past (they don't even know how much it is and when it will be exhausted) and do not work and build it further. Such people turn to god only when a major calamity strikes, but it may be too late. And then, there are so many scholars learned in scriptures etc and proud of their superficial learning, but without a true understanding. Even without having ever actually heard music, one can read many volumes of books on musical notes and raagas and go on discussing musical raagas. What good is it, until one actually *hears* music and *experiences* it? If a country that was once filled with many brilliant singers suddenly becomes barren of singers and becomes filled with theoretical discussions on music, people may lose interest and think that music is a useless subject (much like some people think about religion and spirituality today). All you need to revive interest in music is simply to teach singing to some. When they become good singers, they evoke further interest in people around them. Symbolically speaking, that is what I think Manish is trying to do. The proof of the pudding is in eating it. The proof of divinity is in experiencing it directly. India was once filled with those who experienced the divine. Well, I see the future being brighter than the present, though it may not match the past. If one spends 2-3 hours everyday chanting a specific mantra mentally, around the same time of the day, sitting in the same place, facing the same direction, with a comfortable sitting posture, an erect back and head, closed eyes, no motion of the body to the extent possible, while following brahmacharya for the duration of the practice, I am sure one will experience something within a few months (depending on the previous karmas/vasanas and how ripe one already is). If you find Manish's advice inspiring, I suggest that you should not leave it there. Please re-read his mail and actually go ahead and take a challenge and do one of the things he mentioned. Or simply pick some other mantra (ANY amntra, say Gayatri or panchakshari or dwadasakshari - atma karaka in navamsa can be seen) and do as I said above. Unless one pushes oneself initially, spiritual sadhana will not take off. We are all capable of doing a lot more than we normally do. We just let lethargy dominate. I can tell you that Manish is not a normal soul. It is the fortune of those here that a specific instruction came out of his mind in vaikhari form (spoken/wirtten word). There is a difference between doing a sadhana and doing a sadhana based on the instruction in *vaikhari* form from someone like Manish. I read the lists very rarely these days and today was one of those days. I am off now. I will see you all later. Have fun pursuing Jyotish and spirituality. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Respected Pandit ji, > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit > living in UK must be having good source of income.You > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > sleep without food at night, what you say of clothing, > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > powers for which you are advocating India remain slave > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds year > under British empires.Where were your super-natural > power? Why these powers are not able to remove poverty > of India > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to > public.The public will get food, health and shelter > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical > health.The physical health will come through yoga and > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to > be healthy and earn money. > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions and > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > different state remove the hairs of their daughter in > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor people > in villages? > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg pardon > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste > of some one. But these are the facts.I am sorry. > --- mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003 wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with your > > dharma then you will > > progress. > > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals > > blindly, well let me tell > > your a small story. > > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that > > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " > > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you > > actually become that. > > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is good > > and if you > > visualise what you repeat, well, then you become > > what you repeat ( may > > take some time depending on what your ability to > > follow the restrictions > > of > > Samaya > > Sthana > > Samagri > > Sankhya > > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what > > length of time you are > > able to maintain these) > > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, and I > > am sure that all of > > you can enumerate them, but just for the old > > gentleman who has a library > > full of books , forget about your books, treat my > > words like the truth > > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who wants > > to experience this > > following the niyamas mentioned above can try it) > > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for 121 > > days keeping > > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what happens. It > > will take you at > > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with silent > > Rama Nama japa, and > > do not move during this japa at least , face North. > > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a > > Chiranjeevi. > > > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the > > following, > > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from > > Sanarni surya Tanayo to > > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and once > > at night for 100 > > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous in > > that if you take a > > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not responsible > > for what happens to > > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day onwards. > > Alternately do two > > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But you > > have to do these > > yourself. > > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita sadhana, > > they all talk about > > theory. > > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly > > Mahakala arrives and > > then what , He did not give the avatars time to say > > anything much, what > > will He give ordinary mortals. > > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not > > need to do anything > > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to come > > and visit you. > > > > See the difference between Hinduism and other > > faiths( and India in > > general), is that others worship messiahs , Hinduism > > shows you how to > > create them. > > > > > > Dr. Manish Pandit > > www.gajanan.info > > www.jyotishashastra.org > > www.shreerudram.com > > www.gajanana.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Respected Narasimha Rao, I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are (according to me) a trading community and intersted with his own profit only whether the other lives or dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of India doing the same in the matter of advertisement.The website is also a source of advertisement. There is no control and responsibility on them. I will again go through the mail. --- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: > Dear Sri Kursija, > > You make a good point - without basic comforts in > life, it is > difficult to perform spiritual sadhana. There are so > many who are > not in a position to perform any sadhana. There is > no point in > lecturing about God to a starving person. Well, the > haves should try > to help the havenots. > > BTW, Manish is not a karmakandi pandit or priest as > you assumed. He > is a medical doctor and a Yogi. Pandit is his > surname. > > I know Manish quite well and know the compassion he > has for the > people you mention. Your displeasure is perhaps > misdirected. > Manish's current message is for a different set of > people and it is > an important message too. > > There are so many people in this world who are well > off and yet > don't spend much time on spiritual sadhana. They are > concerned about > their salary, raises, promotions, wife, children, > house, cars etc > and life finishes before they know it. Punya from > the past lives may > have awarded one with material blessings in this > life, but there is > no guarantee the same will happen again! After > squandering the > opportunity to do some sadhana in this life, one may > be placed in a > different situation in the next life and sadhana may > be more > difficult. > > Each journey on this earth in a mortal body is an > opportunity to > accumulate more punya for future journeys and, if > possible, be > liberated. People who rejoice in their material > blessings and do no > serious sadhana are akin to those who are living off > a bank balance > built in the past (they don't even know how much it > is and when it > will be exhausted) and do not work and build it > further. Such people > turn to god only when a major calamity strikes, but > it may be too > late. > > And then, there are so many scholars learned in > scriptures etc and > proud of their superficial learning, but without a > true > understanding. Even without having ever actually > heard music, one > can read many volumes of books on musical notes and > raagas and go on > discussing musical raagas. What good is it, until > one actually > *hears* music and *experiences* it? If a country > that was once > filled with many brilliant singers suddenly becomes > barren of > singers and becomes filled with theoretical > discussions on music, > people may lose interest and think that music is a > useless subject > (much like some people think about religion and > spirituality today). > All you need to revive interest in music is simply > to teach singing > to some. When they become good singers, they evoke > further interest > in people around them. Symbolically speaking, that > is what I think > Manish is trying to do. > > The proof of the pudding is in eating it. The proof > of divinity is > in experiencing it directly. India was once filled > with those who > experienced the divine. Well, I see the future being > brighter than > the present, though it may not match the past. > > If one spends 2-3 hours everyday chanting a specific > mantra > mentally, around the same time of the day, sitting > in the same > place, facing the same direction, with a comfortable > sitting > posture, an erect back and head, closed eyes, no > motion of the body > to the extent possible, while following brahmacharya > for the > duration of the practice, I am sure one will > experience something > within a few months (depending on the previous > karmas/vasanas and > how ripe one already is). > > If you find Manish's advice inspiring, I suggest > that you should not > leave it there. Please re-read his mail and actually > go ahead and > take a challenge and do one of the things he > mentioned. Or simply > pick some other mantra (ANY amntra, say Gayatri or > panchakshari or > dwadasakshari - atma karaka in navamsa can be seen) > and do as I said > above. Unless one pushes oneself initially, > spiritual sadhana will > not take off. We are all capable of doing a lot more > than we > normally do. We just let lethargy dominate. > > I can tell you that Manish is not a normal soul. It > is the fortune > of those here that a specific instruction came out > of his mind in > vaikhari form (spoken/wirtten word). There is a > difference between > doing a sadhana and doing a sadhana based on the > instruction in > *vaikhari* form from someone like Manish. > > I read the lists very rarely these days and today > was one of those > days. I am off now. I will see you all later. Have > fun pursuing > Jyotish and spirituality. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Respected Pandit ji, > > I do not know which type of pandit your are. > highly > > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in > UK.Pandit > > living in UK must be having good source of > income.You > > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > > sleep without food at night, what you say of > clothing, > > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > > powers for which you are advocating India remain > slave > > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds > year > > under British empires.Where were your > super-natural > > power? Why these powers are not able to remove > poverty > > of India > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not > to > > public.The public will get food, health and > shelter > > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > > worship.The worship gives mental peace not > physical > > health.The physical health will come through yoga > and > > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is > to > > be healthy and earn money. > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions > and > > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > > different state remove the hairs of their daughter > in > > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make > them > > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor > people > > in villages? > > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg > pardon > > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the > taste > > of some one. But these are the facts.I am sorry. > > --- mmpandit2003 <mmpandit2003 wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > In the vedic faith if you just carry on with > your > > > dharma then you will > > > progress. > > > I read somebodies mail that we follow rituals > > > blindly, well let me tell > > > your a small story. > > > If you say anything in Sanskrit, you become that > > > " Kita Bhramara Nyaya " > > > Not that you get what you repeat , but that you > > > actually become that. > > > Now if your desire to become what you repeat is > good > > > and if you > > > visualise what you repeat, well, then you > become > > > what you repeat ( may > > > take some time depending on what your ability to > > > follow the restrictions > > > of > > > Samaya > > > Sthana > > > Samagri > > > Sankhya > > > Samyama- mainly Brahmacharya and for what what > > > length of time you are > > > able to maintain these) > > > They say that there are seven Chiranjeevis, > and I > > > am sure that all of > > > you can enumerate them, but just for the old > > > gentleman who has a library > > > full of books , forget about your books, treat > my > > > words like the truth > > > and follow the following( Indeed anybody who > wants > > > to experience this > > > following the niyamas mentioned above can try > it) > > > Recite Hanuman Chalisa 51 times every day for > 121 > > > days keeping > > > Brahmacharya and no shaving and see what > happens. It > > > will take you at > > > least 2 hours proper recitation, end it with > silent > > > Rama Nama japa, and > > > do not move during this japa at least , face > North. > > > Then you can get a pramana that Hanuman is a > > > Chiranjeevi. > > > > > > Or if you can read Sanskrit well, then do the > > > following, > > > Read Durga Saptashati once in the morning from > > > Sanarni surya Tanayo to > > > the end ( will take an hour at top speed) and > once > > > at night for 100 > > > days. This latter sadhana is bit more dangerous > in > > > that if you take a > > > sankalpa and dont keep it then I am not > responsible > > > for what happens to > > > you. See what happens from the 40-50th day > onwards. > > > Alternately do two > > > Chandi homams a day and see what happens. But > you > > > have to do these > > > yourself. > > > See the problem is that nobody does jwalita > sadhana, > > > they all talk about > > > theory. > > > There is no practise and life goes by, suddenly > > > Mahakala arrives and > > > then what , He did not give the avatars time to > say > > > anything much, what > > > will He give ordinary mortals. > > > Best to do serious sadhana and then one does not > > > need to do anything > > > else once the deity of the sadhana starts to > come > > > and visit you. > > > > > > See the difference between Hinduism and other > > > faiths( and India in > > > general), is that others worship messiahs , > Hinduism > > > shows you how to > > > create them. > > > > > > > > > Dr. Manish Pandit > > > www.gajanan.info > > > www.jyotishashastra.org > > > www.shreerudram.com > > > www.gajanana.co.uk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Sh. Bharat ji, Thanks for the response. Thanks for the introduction of Dr.Manish Pandit. I was thinking that he is a Karma-kandi pandit. Thanks God he is a learned person and has deep knowledge of socio-economical conditions in past and present of India. I really feel pain at my heart when I see a young boy begs for food. You said that Adharma is responsible for that We were slave because there was Adharma. Who is responsible for Adharma. It is easy to pass on the responsibility then to own it.Raja Ram Mohan Rai, if I am not wrong, stopped the Sati Pratha during British period itself.Instead of building temples in every corner of the country, why we are not building schools and giving training to young boys to become mechanics to repair scooters and cars, electric wiring in the house, computer repairer etc to earn money. I am not against spiritual activities. But it is our prime duty to give jobs first, so that they have some thing to protect their life, body,and family first and then have spiritual activities. These are my personal view. --- Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu wrote: > Namaste Sri Kursija > > Sri M Pandit is a doctor and a surgeon. He is also a > writer of astrology > books. He is been a member before I joined in. I > will let him give his > introduction to you, but, surely he is not a > puja-pathi pandit in the > derogatory sense that you have meant. Many > puja-pathi pandits, I know are > doing amazing work. > > I would rather focus on some of the other comments > that you have made, > please read responses in blue: > > Respected Pandit ji, > I do not know which type of pandit your are. highly > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in UK.Pandit > living in UK must be having good source of > income.You > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > sleep without food at night, what you say of > clothing, > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > powers for which you are advocating India remain > slave > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds > year > under British empires.Where were your super-natural > power? Why these powers are not able to remove > poverty > of India > Whenever India has been invaded, it was due to > erosion of values and > corrosion of our Dharma. Selfishness and > gratification took precedence > before Dharma. Whenever, we have followed our Dharma > we have thrown out > aggressors and also achieved major growth in terms > of worldly achievements. > Chanakya used Dharma principles to drive out the > greeks. Gandhiji (inspired > by Swami Vivekananda) and many others used Dharma > principles to drive out > the British. > > Dharma protects and nourishes. Adharma erodes and > creates division, strife > and poverty in society. Hence, do not blame Religion > for it. And do not mock > at the spiritual activity/ meditativeness/ puja > vidhi for the ills of not > following dharma. > > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not to > public.The public will get food, health and shelter > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > worship.The worship gives mental peace not physical > health.The physical health will come through yoga > and > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is to > be healthy and earn money. > I have seen poor people having more faith in the > Lord than many of the so > called Rich. Instead of blaming the Lord for their > plight, they happily > worship him for what the Lord has given them. > Perhaps they have a stronger > understanding of the Law of Karma, than many of the > Vidvaans. They worship > the lord as the karmaphaladata and also as friend > who listens to their happy > and sad tales. Why should worship stop because one > does not have enough to > eat? > > Let me also tell you a story of one of my student in > a school. When he was > 12 years old his father suddenly passed away and > mother lost her balance of > mind. This little boy took up work in a garage in > the evening and earned and > paid his fees, while in day time he attended School > and also took care of > his mother. He told his School principal that he > loved my sessions on > Vedanta, cause it gave him strength to live. You > know I never thought I was > making such an impact on someone so young and felt > my life was worthwhile if > it gives hope to such a young and determined boy who > has been through a > tragedy. > > Herein, Religion gave support, courage and will to > live when many could have > perished under the circumstances. > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions > and > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > different state remove the hairs of their daughter > in > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make them > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor > people > in villages? > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg > pardon > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the taste > This is a new one. I have not heard of such a thing. > > Social ills aren't connected to Hindu Dharma. Many a > times foolish people > think that Hinduism promotes casteism. This is > utterly false. Those who do > not understand Hindu Dharma and have become > irreligious promote casteism to > gain person gains. Nowadays, it is the turn of > Politicians and some of the > minorities to gain favors and power through > promoting casteism. > > Similarly, if you turn to the roots of a social ill, > it would turn out to be > more of a ploy used irrelgiously to gain power, > money, etc. > > Instead of blaming or mocking on pujas, methods of > worship, if you were to > focus on the root of the problems, things will be > seen with better clarity. > > Finally, all the threads on Hinduism started with a > foolish man saying > rubbish about Lord Rama and his mother. That most of > you have lost focus to > tackle him and instead question Hinduism and its > practice has left be > astounded. Perhaps you can all focus on what the > problem was instead of > increasing posts by erroneously attacking " imagined > hinduism " . > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dear Sri Lalit, > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next moment > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their deeds. > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for particular > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's heart > is clean. If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not many can do any sadhana. Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good then > only a sadhana will be usefull. Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths to purify oneself. > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent is > more important. If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a generic one for everyone. * * * Dear Sri Kursija, > Respected Narasimha Rao, > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > India doing the same in the matter of > advertisement.The website is also a source of > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > on them. I will again go through the mail. There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. * * * Dear Sri Bhaskar, Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Respected Sh. Narsimha Rao ji, I am sorry, I still feel restlessness in my mind. I am not satisfied.How can one perform sadhana when someone is crying by his side? I have learned from my seniors that if 70 to 80% cases are cured, it means that 100% cases are cured by one. No body on this earth can cure 100% cases.We are human and imperfect.He is only perfect. So we have to frame stereotype of attitude. I have already express my view that at this stage Indian young generation need screw driver and tools in his hand than doing sadhan. If they are healthy and their family are happy, they will run after mental peace automatically. --- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: > Dear Sri Lalit, > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a > day but next > moment > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will > balance their > deeds. > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating > mantras for > particular > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do > only if one's > heart > > is clean. > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no > further effort is > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite > for sadhana, not > many can do any sadhana. > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are > designed so that > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the > heart eventually. > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain > that one > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while > following certain > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect > back and head and > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in > the same place > facing the same direction and around the same time > everyday) will > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. > In the > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, > but as one > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start > to flow faster. > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to > do, along with > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious > result changes > > within a person should reflect, he should do good > and think good > then > > only a sadhana will be usefull. > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is > karma yoga. > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to > perform sadhana. > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and > bhakti yoga > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are > all valid paths > to purify oneself. > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if > necessary and it > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but > it's the intent > is > > more important. > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a > very low level > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. > Otherwise, it is > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My > advice is a > generic one for everyone. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Kursija, > > > Respected Narasimha Rao, > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > > (according to me) a trading community and > intersted > > with his own profit only whether the other lives > or > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media > of > > India doing the same in the matter of > > advertisement.The website is also a source of > > advertisement. There is no control and > responsibility > > on them. I will again go through the mail. > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go > about their work > as a business without any devotion or compassion and > have no > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us > not stereotype > the priest community. There are also priests who are > filled with > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness > and humility and > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is > never a good idea. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do > some sadhana or > the other at some level or the other. However, if > one who is in > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on > god, I can > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such > people, one can > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami > Vivekananda once > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the > universe is " . > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Sh.Bharat ji, Thanks for the detailed response and glad to know your philosophy of poverty. The people are poor because they have done Adharma in their previous life. Then why the people in America and Russia get minimums health care,lodging & boarding and food. Perhaps they have done Punya in their previous life, according to your philosophy.If I am not wrong that you are ignoring that you are living in materialistic world. You and me are responsible for their plight.We have accumulated more wealth than we need and their is no social responsibility on the rich. Sh Mukesh Ambani can become the richest person in the world in a day. What is his social responsibility? What is the social responsibility of Mandir. Masjid and Gurdwara etc? They have crore of rupees in their bank accounts. Why they are no utiliging their money in the construction of roads, wells, schools, hospitals and other necessities for the village around the location. So I feel that we are responsible for their economic plight. They are not committing suicide because their spiritual thinking is very high. The Sanskrit writer Bhan Bhutta, if I am not wrong, has wrote in " Shataka " that " it is better to die than to live as a poor person " With thanks and regards. --- kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > Dear Bharat, > > Caste system is a socio economic system that has > been automatically > developed in Post Mahabharat era. > > Prior to that, we only had Varna system which > comprised of 4 only Varnas. > > You will very well agree that a CEO's daughter will > not marry a sub staff's > son and in majority of the cases, this is seen odd. > So, you have already > created a sort of inequality among sections. This > happens, many a time > even if the boy has studied well and is working in > London and the girl is a > mere housewife. In other words, the socio economic > back ground has played > its role here. > > Same way, it can be seen that marrying across the > social strata is seen to > be bad for social welfare. > > As things would have had it, the Mahabharata war has > taken place with the > able bodied and security providing men dieing in > millions. The ladies were > abducted and there was a social chaos that followed > great war. There was a huge mixing of the varnas and > with time, it gave rise > to new social classes. > > More over, there was a rise of rural cottage > industries and every village > started becoming self sufficient. This led to > another set of socio economic > layers called caste system. If I were a pot maker, > my wife too helps me in > making pots. So, how would I adjust if I marry a > butcher's daughter? In > other words, I have no choice than to marry from my > own 'caste' in view of > the helping hand required from my household in my > livelihood. > > Similarly, if I were a brahmin, I need to keep > strict vigil over my habits > and there are rituals to be followed without fail > everyday and during the > month and year. If my wife is to be from a > kshatriya's family, then with in > no time I would lose my peace of mind since she > would not be able to help me > at all in keeping all those rituals going. > > Hence, the need for caste system to be intact. We > can not certainly say it > is evil or something but no doubt, it has to change > with times. > > Finally, let me ask one thing: if there is no caste > system in Europe(in > another form, of course), why there was a furore > when Diana, a commoner was > married to Royalty? > > Any replies? > > kishore patnaik > 9849270729 > > > > On 10/29/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > <astrologyhindu wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Kursija > > > > Sri M Pandit is a doctor and a surgeon. He is also > a writer of astrology > > books. He is been a member before I joined in. I > will let him give his > > introduction to you, but, surely he is not a > puja-pathi pandit in the > > derogatory sense that you have meant. Many > puja-pathi pandits, I know are > > doing amazing work. > > > > I would rather focus on some of the other comments > that you have made, > > please read responses in blue: > > > > Respected Pandit ji, > > I do not know which type of pandit your are. > highly > > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in > UK.Pandit > > living in UK must be having good source of > income.You > > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > > sleep without food at night, what you say of > clothing, > > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > > powers for which you are advocating India remain > slave > > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds > year > > under British empires.Where were your > super-natural > > power? Why these powers are not able to remove > poverty > > of India > > Whenever India has been invaded, it was due to > erosion of values and > > corrosion of our Dharma. Selfishness and > gratification took precedence > > before Dharma. Whenever, we have followed our > Dharma we have thrown out > > aggressors and also achieved major growth in terms > of worldly > > achievements. > > Chanakya used Dharma principles to drive out the > greeks. Gandhiji > > (inspired > > by Swami Vivekananda) and many others used Dharma > principles to drive out > > the British. > > > > Dharma protects and nourishes. Adharma erodes and > creates division, strife > > and poverty in society. Hence, do not blame > Religion for it. And do not > > mock > > at the spiritual activity/ meditativeness/ puja > vidhi for the ills of not > > following dharma. > > > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not > to > > public.The public will get food, health and > shelter > > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > > worship.The worship gives mental peace not > physical > > health.The physical health will come through yoga > and > > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is > to > > be healthy and earn money. > > I have seen poor people having more faith in the > Lord than many of the so > > called Rich. Instead of blaming the Lord for their > plight, they happily > > worship him for what the Lord has given them. > Perhaps they have a stronger > > understanding of the Law of Karma, than many of > the Vidvaans. They worship > > the lord as the karmaphaladata and also as friend > who listens to their > > happy > > and sad tales. Why should worship stop because one > does not have enough to > > eat? > > > > Let me also tell you a story of one of my student > in a school. When he was > > 12 years old his father suddenly passed away and > mother lost her balance > > of > > mind. This little boy took up work in a garage in > the evening and earned > > and > > paid his fees, while in day time he attended > School and also took care of > > his mother. He told his School principal that he > loved my sessions on > > Vedanta, cause it gave him strength to live. You > know I never thought I > > was > > making such an impact on someone so young and felt > my life was worthwhile > > if > > it gives hope to such a young and determined boy > who has been through a > > tragedy. > > > > Herein, Religion gave support, courage and will to > live when many could > > have > > perished under the circumstances. > > > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions > and > > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > > different state remove the hairs of their daughter > in > > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make > them > > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor > people > > in villages? > > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg > pardon > > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the > taste > > This is a new one. I have not heard of such a > thing. > > > > Social ills aren't connected to Hindu Dharma. Many > a times foolish people > > think that Hinduism promotes casteism. This is > utterly false. Those who do > > not understand Hindu Dharma and have become > irreligious promote casteism > > to > > gain person gains. Nowadays, it is the turn of > Politicians and some of the > > minorities to gain favors and power through > promoting casteism. > > > > Similarly, if you turn to the roots of a social > ill, it would turn out to > > be > > more of a ploy used irrelgiously to gain power, > money, etc. > > > > Instead of blaming or mocking on pujas, methods of > worship, if you were to > > focus on the root of the problems, things will be > seen with better > > clarity. > > > > Finally, all the threads on Hinduism started with > a foolish man saying > > rubbish about Lord Rama and his mother. That most > of you have lost focus > > to > > tackle him and instead question Hinduism and its > practice has left be > > astounded. Perhaps you can all focus on what the > problem was instead of > > increasing posts by erroneously attacking > " imagined hinduism " . > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Narsimha, Sadhna needs complete surrender only nothing else that ultimately cleans our inner/soul like Mirabai while she was facing acute agony even then she prays " PRABHU HARO JAN KI PEER " not self.In fact too much rituals or more if and but hinder the way of sadhna. God bless Shashie Shekhar Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: Dear Sri Lalit, > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next moment > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their deeds. > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for particular > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's heart > is clean. If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not many can do any sadhana. Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good then > only a sadhana will be usefull. Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths to purify oneself. > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent is > more important. If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a generic one for everyone. * * * Dear Sri Kursija, > Respected Narasimha Rao, > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > India doing the same in the matter of > advertisement.The website is also a source of > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > on them. I will again go through the mail. There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. * * * Dear Sri Bhaskar, Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------------- Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Kursija ji , This is true that those who are poor materialstically have done adharma in their previous lives. previous Life does have a bearing on this present Life. Otherwise how can one explain so many people being born with one hand, no eyesight, and other physical, social, or econimical disparities ? Why does one have a nagging wife and the neighbour a sweet and beautiful wife ? None of us are responsible for anyones plight. What one sows, so he reaps. Everyone is responsible for his own status whatever he is into. Not even God is responsible for ones plight or richness of wealth. (Except in cases of spiritual people like Soordaas or Sudama, Meerabai,Tulsidasji or His great Bhaktas etc.) It is clearly written in the Bhagavd Gita that God is not responsible but Mother nature has been given this task to perform. And God is not within us, but we are within Gods idea ( And not within God). we are just a part of this idea created by God. But this would be difficult to explain. It has to be known when one is sitting silently and alone somewhere , best of all at night when all are asleep , when one is alone, and mind is engrossed in such thoughts with a Good translation of Bhagavad Gita near one. Everyone is doing his social responsibilty in his own way (Most of them). Birlas after earning money have made so many beautiful temples, and are doing still, for this task was givn as an Order to them in the Senior Birlajis dreams. (Do not ask me more) These temples, mosques and Churches if they are not there, then how would people become religious ? One needs a idol to concentrate, till he becomes smart enough to see Nirvikaar Parmatma all around him. One can go to these temples have free food served outside these, for his whole life. What more service can we expect from them. Anil Ambani has strictly stated that his new Food Chains to be opened will not contain Non-Vegeterian for sale. This is how they are serving and mantaining social responsibility. Hats off to them. Those who had invested Money in Reliance Shares or Mutual Funds have become Lakhpatis and Karodpatis.What more do we require from them. ( I am not one of those lucky people). It is the job of the Governemnt to make roads,wells, hospitals etcetra because they collect taxes from us through various means including medicine which we buy for curing a headcahe. yet the temple authorities at several townships are constructiong hospitals to serve free to the needy. That Sankrit schoalr/poet you quoted, was right. It is better to die rather than live poor. Because poverty is a great " abhishaap " . But being a astrologer we all should know that the 10th house which shows Karma, will never allow a person to remain poor, if he works hard, Dhanyoga or not. The working hard is represented by Saturn who is Lord of the 10th Capricorn, and He Himself gives as Lord of the 11th aquarius to those who work hard. There is no question of one not acquiring the bare necessities of Life, like food, clothing and shelter, which all those who work hard, do Get. So wheres the question of remaining poor ? And richness has a relative definition. there is no Limit or demarcation line for richness. One very rich could be very poor in front of a wealthier person. we are nobody to remove anyones plight. we are nobody responsible for anybodys plight. To each his own. But we are certainly instruments in doing Gods work, whenever he chooses to use these instruments. Giving a loaf of bread to a beggar is being made use as a instrument by God. If we think " I have given him this Loaf of bread " one immediately looses the instrumentship, and EGO takes over, which has to be avoided. So let us work like instruments and thank God, whenever he chooses us to help some one or for a good cause. Please read Robert E Svobodas " Tantra " . you will understand perfectly the laws of cause and effect. You will also understand why the Americans are materialistically richer than us and why we poor. Thanks for reading this long mail. regards, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Sh.Bharat ji, > Thanks for the detailed response and glad to know your > philosophy of poverty. The people are poor because > they have done Adharma in their previous life. Then > why the people in America and Russia get minimums > health care,lodging & boarding and food. Perhaps they > have done Punya in their previous life, according to > your philosophy.If I am not wrong that you are > ignoring that you are living in materialistic world. > You and me are responsible for their plight.We have > accumulated more wealth than we need and their is no > social responsibility on the rich. Sh Mukesh Ambani > can become the richest person in the world in a day. > What is his social responsibility? What is the social > responsibility of Mandir. Masjid and Gurdwara etc? > They have crore of rupees in their bank accounts. Why > they are no utiliging their money in the construction > of roads, wells, schools, hospitals and other > necessities for the village around the location. So I > feel that we are responsible for their economic > plight. > They are not committing suicide because their > spiritual thinking is very high. The Sanskrit writer > Bhan Bhutta, if I am not wrong, has wrote in " Shataka " > that " it is better to die than to live as a poor > person " > With thanks and regards. > --- kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote: > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > Caste system is a socio economic system that has > > been automatically > > developed in Post Mahabharat era. > > > > Prior to that, we only had Varna system which > > comprised of 4 only Varnas. > > > > You will very well agree that a CEO's daughter will > > not marry a sub staff's > > son and in majority of the cases, this is seen odd. > > So, you have already > > created a sort of inequality among sections. This > > happens, many a time > > even if the boy has studied well and is working in > > London and the girl is a > > mere housewife. In other words, the socio economic > > back ground has played > > its role here. > > > > Same way, it can be seen that marrying across the > > social strata is seen to > > be bad for social welfare. > > > > As things would have had it, the Mahabharata war has > > taken place with the > > able bodied and security providing men dieing in > > millions. The ladies were > > abducted and there was a social chaos that followed > > great war. There was a huge mixing of the varnas and > > with time, it gave rise > > to new social classes. > > > > More over, there was a rise of rural cottage > > industries and every village > > started becoming self sufficient. This led to > > another set of socio economic > > layers called caste system. If I were a pot maker, > > my wife too helps me in > > making pots. So, how would I adjust if I marry a > > butcher's daughter? In > > other words, I have no choice than to marry from my > > own 'caste' in view of > > the helping hand required from my household in my > > livelihood. > > > > Similarly, if I were a brahmin, I need to keep > > strict vigil over my habits > > and there are rituals to be followed without fail > > everyday and during the > > month and year. If my wife is to be from a > > kshatriya's family, then with in > > no time I would lose my peace of mind since she > > would not be able to help me > > at all in keeping all those rituals going. > > > > Hence, the need for caste system to be intact. We > > can not certainly say it > > is evil or something but no doubt, it has to change > > with times. > > > > Finally, let me ask one thing: if there is no caste > > system in Europe(in > > another form, of course), why there was a furore > > when Diana, a commoner was > > married to Royalty? > > > > Any replies? > > > > kishore patnaik > > 9849270729 > > > > > > > > On 10/29/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > <astrologyhindu wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sri Kursija > > > > > > Sri M Pandit is a doctor and a surgeon. He is also > > a writer of astrology > > > books. He is been a member before I joined in. I > > will let him give his > > > introduction to you, but, surely he is not a > > puja-pathi pandit in the > > > derogatory sense that you have meant. Many > > puja-pathi pandits, I know are > > > doing amazing work. > > > > > > I would rather focus on some of the other comments > > that you have made, > > > please read responses in blue: > > > > > > Respected Pandit ji, > > > I do not know which type of pandit your are. > > highly > > > educated and learned pandit or puja-pathi pandit > > > (karma kandi pandit)According to my experience you > > > look like a puja-pathi pandita, living in > > UK.Pandit > > > living in UK must be having good source of > > income.You > > > may not be knowing that in India 70% of population > > > sleep without food at night, what you say of > > clothing, > > > shelter,medical help and education.With all these > > > powers for which you are advocating India remain > > slave > > > to Mugals for thousands of years and two hundreds > > year > > > under British empires.Where were your > > super-natural > > > power? Why these powers are not able to remove > > poverty > > > of India > > > Whenever India has been invaded, it was due to > > erosion of values and > > > corrosion of our Dharma. Selfishness and > > gratification took precedence > > > before Dharma. Whenever, we have followed our > > Dharma we have thrown out > > > aggressors and also achieved major growth in terms > > of worldly > > > achievements. > > > Chanakya used Dharma principles to drive out the > > greeks. Gandhiji > > > (inspired > > > by Swami Vivekananda) and many others used Dharma > > principles to drive out > > > the British. > > > > > > Dharma protects and nourishes. Adharma erodes and > > creates division, strife > > > and poverty in society. Hence, do not blame > > Religion for it. And do not > > > mock > > > at the spiritual activity/ meditativeness/ puja > > vidhi for the ills of not > > > following dharma. > > > > > > Every where you will find Mandirs and pandits > > > worshiping and clothing the beautiful images of > > > God.They can give you food and comforts, but not > > to > > > public.The public will get food, health and > > shelter > > > when they will get jobs.They will do Karma, not > > > worship.The worship gives mental peace not > > physical > > > health.The physical health will come through yoga > > and > > > medicine.If you wants to be happy, first thing is > > to > > > be healthy and earn money. > > > I have seen poor people having more faith in the > > Lord than many of the so > > > called Rich. Instead of blaming the Lord for their > > plight, they happily > > > worship him for what the Lord has given them. > > Perhaps they have a stronger > > > understanding of the Law of Karma, than many of > > the Vidvaans. They worship > > > the lord as the karmaphaladata and also as friend > > who listens to their > > > happy > > > and sad tales. Why should worship stop because one > > does not have enough to > > > eat? > > > > > > Let me also tell you a story of one of my student > > in a school. When he was > > > 12 years old his father suddenly passed away and > > mother lost her balance > > > of > > > mind. This little boy took up work in a garage in > > the evening and earned > > > and > > > paid his fees, while in day time he attended > > School and also took care of > > > his mother. He told his School principal that he > > loved my sessions on > > > Vedanta, cause it gave him strength to live. You > > know I never thought I > > > was > > > making such an impact on someone so young and felt > > my life was worthwhile > > > if > > > it gives hope to such a young and determined boy > > who has been through a > > > tragedy. > > > > > > Herein, Religion gave support, courage and will to > > live when many could > > > have > > > perished under the circumstances. > > > > > > I do not want to stretch socio-economic conditions > > and > > > customs prevailing in India.I have come to know > > > recentally to my surprise that some peoples from > > > different state remove the hairs of their daughter > > in > > > laws who become widow and leave them at Brindabad, > > > Mathra (a tourist spot with so many ashrams and > > > temples) at the mercy of the pandits. They make > > them > > > beg for their lively hood. What to say of poor > > people > > > in villages? > > > It is not my intention to hurt some one. I beg > > pardon > > > if I have said some thing harsh and not to the > > taste > > > This is a new one. I have not heard of such a > > thing. > > > > > > Social ills aren't connected to Hindu Dharma. Many > > a times foolish people > > > think that Hinduism promotes casteism. This is > > utterly false. Those who do > > > not understand Hindu Dharma and have become > > irreligious promote casteism > > > to > > > gain person gains. Nowadays, it is the turn of > > Politicians and some of the > > > minorities to gain favors and power through > > promoting casteism. > > > > > > Similarly, if you turn to the roots of a social > > ill, it would turn out to > > > be > > > more of a ploy used irrelgiously to gain power, > > money, etc. > > > > > > Instead of blaming or mocking on pujas, methods of > > worship, if you were to > > > focus on the root of the problems, things will be > > seen with better > > > clarity. > > > > > > Finally, all the threads on Hinduism started with > > a foolish man saying > > > rubbish about Lord Rama and his mother. That most > > of you have lost focus > > > to > > > tackle him and instead question Hinduism and its > > practice has left be > > > astounded. Perhaps you can all focus on what the > > problem was instead of > > > increasing posts by erroneously attacking > > " imagined hinduism " . > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Very true, I believe working with surrender to God is also a Sadhna. A person who does not have 'time after getting up every morning to do elaborate poojas, but works hard for subsistence of his family, remains honest in his dealings, and is otherwise generally good person comes in the category of a KarmaYogi which is also a part of result accruing Sadhana without any doubt. regards/Bhaskar , Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Mr.Narsimha, > Sadhna needs complete surrender only nothing else that ultimately cleans our inner/soul like Mirabai while she was facing acute agony even then she prays " PRABHU HARO JAN KI PEER " not self.In fact too much rituals or more if and but hinder the way of sadhna. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: > Dear Sri Lalit, > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next > moment > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their > deeds. > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for > particular > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's > heart > > is clean. > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not > many can do any sadhana. > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good > then > > only a sadhana will be usefull. > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths > to purify oneself. > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent > is > > more important. > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a > generic one for everyone. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Kursija, > > > Respected Narasimha Rao, > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > > India doing the same in the matter of > > advertisement.The website is also a source of > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > > on them. I will again go through the mail. > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dear Shashie Shekhar, I w'd like to know what happened in ur life, pls. quote that. regards, Lalit. , Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Mr.Narsimha, > Sadhna needs complete surrender only nothing else that ultimately cleans our inner/soul like Mirabai while she was facing acute agony even then she prays " PRABHU HARO JAN KI PEER " not self.In fact too much rituals or more if and but hinder the way of sadhna. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: > Dear Sri Lalit, > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next > moment > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their > deeds. > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for > particular > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's > heart > > is clean. > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not > many can do any sadhana. > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good > then > > only a sadhana will be usefull. > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths > to purify oneself. > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent > is > > more important. > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a > generic one for everyone. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Kursija, > > > Respected Narasimha Rao, > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > > India doing the same in the matter of > > advertisement.The website is also a source of > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > > on them. I will again go through the mail. > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 No Bhaskar Ji, Doing ur karma for subsistence of the family not necessarily makes you karma yogi, however desciplined you may be, more often you do so under the maya. i.e, for security and attachment or for some other reasons. You will be Karma Yogi when u are detached but still intgrated and when a time comes to decide ur priority, you prefer ur duties first, considering all attachements later, when u r like this, you are a karma yogi. Pls. try to see, maa's divine grace and her maya works togather on you like two forces, pulls you in different directions, it's how she enjoyes and gives you opportunity to enjoy, temptation in the world and inspiration for sadhana comes togather, now u start doing as per ur understanding. regards, Lalit. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Very true, > I believe working with surrender to God > is also a Sadhna. A person who does not have > 'time after getting up every morning to > do elaborate poojas, but works hard for > subsistence of his family, remains honest > in his dealings, and is otherwise generally > good person comes in the category of a KarmaYogi > which is also a part of result accruing Sadhana > without any doubt. > > regards/Bhaskar > > > > > > , Shashie Shekhar > <polite_astro@> wrote: > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Dear Mr.Narsimha, > > Sadhna needs complete surrender only nothing else that ultimately > cleans our inner/soul like Mirabai while she was facing acute agony > even then she prays " PRABHU HARO JAN KI PEER " not self.In fact too > much rituals or more if and but hinder the way of sadhna. > > > > God bless > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > Dear Sri Lalit, > > > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next > > moment > > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their > > deeds. > > > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for > > particular > > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's > > heart > > > is clean. > > > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is > > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not > > many can do any sadhana. > > > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that > > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. > > > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one > > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain > > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and > > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place > > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will > > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the > > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one > > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > > > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good > > then > > > only a sadhana will be usefull. > > > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. > > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. > > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga > > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths > > to purify oneself. > > > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent > > is > > > more important. > > > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level > > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is > > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a > > generic one for everyone. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sri Kursija, > > > > > Respected Narasimha Rao, > > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > > > India doing the same in the matter of > > > advertisement.The website is also a source of > > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > > > on them. I will again go through the mail. > > > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work > > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no > > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype > > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with > > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and > > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or > > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in > > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can > > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can > > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once > > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Bhaskar Bhai, Jai Ram Ji Ki, Maya-Desire & Karma-Action & Yoga-Having honesty and truth=Goal-Parmatma or Bhakti or Moksha.All the aforesaid things are needed to get the goal.If Maya is the part of God,how can we over look her?and if Almighty is the strongest, how can his Maya be weak?As to give birth to a new life we will have to cross the Maya and the new life will come into sight to pass the Maya but we will have to follow the path of aforesaid Karam Yoga for the said purpose and ultimately the new life the goal / matter of extreme satisfaction for us,we can achieve. Shashie Shekhar Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Very true, I believe working with surrender to God is also a Sadhna. A person who does not have 'time after getting up every morning to do elaborate poojas, but works hard for subsistence of his family, remains honest in his dealings, and is otherwise generally good person comes in the category of a KarmaYogi which is also a part of result accruing Sadhana without any doubt. regards/Bhaskar , Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > > Dear Mr.Narsimha, > Sadhna needs complete surrender only nothing else that ultimately cleans our inner/soul like Mirabai while she was facing acute agony even then she prays " PRABHU HARO JAN KI PEER " not self.In fact too much rituals or more if and but hinder the way of sadhna. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > Narasimha Rao wrote: > Dear Sri Lalit, > > > I have seen people who do even 5000 mantras in a day but next > moment > > behaves with cruality thinking their mantras will balance their > deeds. > > > > It's a prolonged blind belief that repeating mantras for > particular > > times will surely do good, it's wrong, it will do only if one's > heart > > is clean. > > If one's heart is already clean absolutely, no further effort is > needed. If having a " clean " heart is a prerequisite for sadhana, not > many can do any sadhana. > > Various spiritual practices, including mantras, are designed so that > they slowly purify the practitioner and clean the heart eventually. > > Call it " blind belief " or whatever, but I am certain that one > repeating a mantra for 2-3 hours everyday while following certain > rules (brahmacharya, sitting still with an erect back and head and > closed eyes while repeating the mantra, sitting in the same place > facing the same direction and around the same time everyday) will > make good progress regarding " cleaning " one's heart. In the > beginning, the sadhana will not yield much results, but as one > crosses a critical threshold, the results will start to flow faster. > > > It's not always sadhana that one is required to do, along with > > sadhana good acts are required to do, as an obious result changes > > within a person should reflect, he should do good and think good > then > > only a sadhana will be usefull. > > Well, good acts are a kind of sadhana too. It is karma yoga. > Repeating mantras as I suggested is only one way to perform sadhana. > The paths of jnaana yoga, karma yoga, raja yoga and bhakti yoga > (shown by fire, earth, air and water elements) are all valid paths > to purify oneself. > > > I need to do a mantra only for ones or twice if necessary and it > > works to expectation, so, it's not the count but it's the intent > is > > more important. > > If one has a sufficiently high level of purity and a very low level > of ego (self-awareness), small counts are enough. Otherwise, it is > better to do big counts and for a lot of time. My advice is a > generic one for everyone. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Kursija, > > > Respected Narasimha Rao, > > I mistook Dr.Manish as Karm-kandi pandit who are > > (according to me) a trading community and intersted > > with his own profit only whether the other lives or > > dies.All t.v. channels, news paper and other media of > > India doing the same in the matter of > > advertisement.The website is also a source of > > advertisement. There is no control and responsibility > > on them. I will again go through the mail. > > There may be a lot of profiteering priests who go about their work > as a business without any devotion or compassion and have no > spiritual purity to actually help anyone, but let us not stereotype > the priest community. There are also priests who are filled with > wisdom, compassion, devotion, sincerity, kindness and humility and > serve all by seeing god in all. Stereotyping is never a good idea. > > * * * > > Dear Sri Bhaskar, > > Nice words. Yes, as you wisely said, everyone can do some sadhana or > the other at some level or the other. However, if one who is in > physical distress is unable to focus the mind on god, I can > understand it. Apart from materially aiding such people, one can > perform sadhanas for such people too. Swami Vivekananda once > said, " I am not liberated until each soul in the universe is " . > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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