Bhrigu Jyotish & what we think we know about it

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Om Datta Guru

 

Dear Sunil,

I again repeat this thread (nakshatra help) has reached a dead end for

me so I must request u to kindly excuse me

But before leaving some reply

 

> Brigu reading is superior and we r egerly waiting for your reserch

as u

> know i also doing some reserch in nadis .

 

SJ: Bhrighu Jyotish has Nothing to do with Bhrigu reading gotten from

Samhita or Bhrigu Nadis. I say this humbly since i know what i am

talking about . Most do not know this fact. Bhrigu Jyotish is far

different than Brighu Nadis or even any other nadis, the people who

follow Bhrighu Jyotish are called Bhrigoos, they never reveal their

methods max a glimpse can be gotten. I can write lot of things here

giving a hint on what is Bhrighu Jyotish but thats waste of time, let me

just tell something thats not revelant to Bhrighu Jyotish but a very

small insignificant part of Bhrighu Jyotish that is predicting names. My

friend an ex-SJC mumbai member had chance to meet such a Bhrigoo, upon

seeing his chart the Bhrigoo predicted his name, his mothers name &

fathers name, the natives name he predicted what was as given on his

birth and not what he changed it to later. When friend asked if this was

through Siddhi, he true Jyotish has no Siddhi but only methods (lets

note this). The Bhrigoos are a hidden lot and will never share their

system unless instructed from above as they cannot share with unworthy

students who have ego, hatred, jealousy, one man upship in them.

 

When i raised the question of predicting names, Sreenadh ridiculed me,

then i used it on a chart of member of that very group and predicted

that he would get job in so & so month & the name of the company would

be S (among other variables). This was posted in Sreenadhs forum where u

are a member. This was done 2 months after that discussion with Sreenadh

 

Another incident on the superiority (or maybe Ego) of Bhrigoos. Once a

Lama went to meet the Bhrigoos, this Lama was far superior in Jyotish

and had predicted about the Iraq War (91) one year in advance to a

European astrologer who is a member of this group (if he wishes he may

write more here) . The Bhrigoos started discussing charts with the Lama

and Lama started predicting but they were so smart that they showed him

charts where predictions will go wrong. The Lama was no ordinary as he

knew that particular combination in charts which makes predictions go

wrong in charts so he told them straight away show me charts where such

and such combination is there

 

Now ask our current breed of scholars to mention 20 such combinations

(which works) where predictions will fail they cant, they do not even

know about this concept. I will not reveal this combination here on the

list or in private as i am on oath but what i can do is to point to

another combination like this which appeared in the Star teller magazine

of 1997 or 98 if i remember the year well or was it 96.

 

I hate writing about Bhrigoos as I do not want Ego astrologers who do

jyotish for fame or money even searching for Bhrigoos, I thought twice

whether to reply to this mail or not as in the past i have always

avoided to write. Fame & money in Jyotish are bi-products and not the

main reason why we should do jyotish as the Book of a Yogi says but then

who wants to understand that.

 

> As as talibanism in jyothish concerned --now many are superflous in

> knowlwdge and always propound new theorey ,same questions being asked

by

> many pro and anti ppl of each system .For eg -lal kitab ( again using

> example is not running away from subjuct ) i ask then straight away u

> prove me on 100 charts and i will blve ,y i waist my valuable time on

> some thing unless proved or i should feel its rite .Who in the world

> can see and certify all systems .

 

SJ: Due to our limited closed mind cum knowledge we call other systems

theories as we are not well read enough nor do we understand sanskrit

nor we have those books, what we have is not even 1% of that knowledge

which existed. There are two approaches in life & also Jyotish, either

we say prove it on 100 charts or we learn it n do it ourselves. Experts

of their systems says they dont care to prove it on 100 charts, if u

want to learn then learn or bye bye as they dont care about our egos.

This is the same attitude of those who do not believe in astrology and

call us idiots as we so called believers in astrology cannot take their

test of proving on 100 charts by predicting the month of marriage then

do we have a right to ask other sub systems in astrology to prove on 100

charts. isnt that hypocracy or double standards on our part.

 

This thread is dead and I have no time to continue this

best

SJ

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Hare rama krishna,

>

> dear sunil .

>

> I do hav open mind to learn ,but the problem is quality of books

> availbale in market and problem of contamination of subjuct by various

> people ,and i don think i can or any can clean this mess .

>

> Yes in india various 108 systems were using and same system each

> school of thought may be using in differrent way .

>

> What i told is -i am not worried abt moons atmospherical climate or

> whether its oxygen or hydregen in moon .what i am concerned is its

> significations recommended by rishis ,it applied to all discussions

> whether nakshatra or anything .

>

> I heard lot abt that man is using differerently and this man is

using

> differrently .intead of we also trumpetting it ,did we asked him to

try

> it on 100 charts we may provide .

>

> As far as K N rao or his team is concerned they put their theoreys in

> frnt of all astrological communities or a lot of highly educated

creamy

> reserch students and lacs are testing the result of his resrch and no

> vedic rishi will complaint abt it .

>

> And he is never adament that u shud use this way only .

>

> As as talibanism in jyothish concerned --now many are superflous in

> knowlwdge and always propound new theorey ,same questions being asked

by

> many pro and anti ppl of each system .For eg -lal kitab ( again using

> example is not running away from subjuct ) i ask then straight away u

> prove me on 100 charts and i will blve ,y i waist my valuable time on

> some thing unless proved or i should feel its rite .Who in the world

> can see and certify all systems .

>

> Brigu reading is superior and we r egerly waiting for your reserch

as u

> know i also doing some reserch in nadis .

>

> And i find each may approach a subjuct with differrent methds and

each

> methods instead of contradicting its leading to same results .

>

> But what i mentioned is we r not seeing the physical properites of a

> planet or nakshatra or any name mentioned in astronomy we r concerned

> the predictiv part means how its giving result in actual life .

>

> Before some months sani is in leo according to astronomy but in

cancer

> according vedanga jyothish and all our prashna is also showing the

> result of sani in cancer only so the prathyakhsa anybhavam is my guru

> ,were as many who argue who does not go tru this fire like this in

> real life like a professional astrologers like me can say anything

> .That is the point were my talibanism starts and cannot support any

new

> theoreys as so long as one gives result why i shud worry abt it .

>

> And tomorrow many may argue that in space crores of planet is there

> and we should include each every thing instead of 7 planets (rahu and

> ketu ,gulika are simply mathematical points ) so what can i say ?

>

> Atleast i can say our 5 lacs astro writers only a hand few has good

> prediction skills and so u know y i rejected some one .

>

> One famous writer and astologer says abt aroodha lagna in dustan (

> jaimini astrology)and its results in his books and according to any

> calculations i cannot find aroodha lagna in dustana --a very famous

one

> --do i need to study it also?If ask this forum to vote he will get

100%

> vote and i will hav to accept popular verdict as in demo-crazy.

>

> regrds sunil nair .

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah/

>

> http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

>

> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

>

>

> , " suniljohn_2002 "

> suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> >

> > OM Datta Guru

> >

> > Hi Sunil,

> > Long mail so i read few lines and am responding to it. Pls forgive

> >

> > What I meant by the meaning of the word succinct is sticking to the

> > point of discussion at hand & not getting into diverse topics like

> > Yogini, NASA etc etc but then i can be wrong also

> >

> > > I dont know what P S sastry says and his book and i must say so

long

> > as

> > > i am concerned abt this very basics ,even if any one come out with

> any

> > > more confusing theorey ,i dont need to take it as astrology is

> > anubhava

> > > and anumana and phalm as its only a predictive science .

> >

> > > Now i almost explain abt this ,but dont ask me why P S SASTRI

write

> > it

> > > as first of all i dont hav that book abd secondly i am not

> interested

> > to

> > > read it and confuse my mind which happened in earlier period my

> > > jyothisha profession and if he himself cannot prove by his one

book

> > then

> > > how u expect me to prove in some mails .

> >

> > SJ: P S Sastri was a far superior astrologer than anyone on this

> forum,

> > maybe one can refer to what KNRao had to say about him in this very

> > forum which does not mean everything what Sastri said was true or

> should

> > be accepted. Nobody is asking anybody to accept, what i was asking

if

> > someone can explain what he wrote as i could not grasp his english

> which

> > is not his limitation but mine and i accepted that and hence asked

the

> > concerned member if he can explain i would be most happy to

understand

> > then decide what he wrote is correct or wrong as per my

understanding.

> > If one has not read that book nor is willing to read it or anything

> with

> > an open mind, i can only say humbly be my guest but what use is in

> > jumping on a thread where that question was the base question.If one

> > cant answer it then why divert with long lectures is what i always

> think

> > while replying on threads. Members of this forum did not start

> astrology

> > yesterday morning so i avoid basics that is already repeated 1000s

of

> > times in all books.

> >

> > > Think abt yogini where the details we use other than vimshottary

> > dasa

> > > and y its a dasa of 36 years .

> >

> > SJ: Most use yogini dasa of 36 yrs then the question of whether the

> > events will be repeated every 36 yrs, V.P.Goel from KNRao school

> answers

> > that in his book with a new research which no software gives

> > unfortunately, i wonder which Rishi sanctioned that research. If one

> > says that oral tradition is the only thing then why bring Rishis

into

> > discussion model when tradition can give different calculations than

> > books written by Rishis, then question did Rishis write everything

in

> > their books, did they survive. Then in Yogini dasa there is another

> > tradition very few know which Late Wing Commander Singh learnt it

from

> a

> > Sanyasi of UttarKashi where the dasa yrs changes in every chart. He

> > didnt teach it as he did not find a competent student

> >

> > But again now i am thinking why did yogini dasa come into this

> > discussion of nakshatra length or did we dilute the topic

> >

> > > Because of oval ness of universe moon may take more time or less

> > time

> > > but mathematicaly atleast for bharatheeya astrologers one

nakshatra

> is

> > > 13 degree and 20 minits ,nothing less .nothing more .

> >

> > SJ: That nothing less nothing more exists in what Sastri said

(maybe)

> > if we try to understand what he said, before we read we cant comment

> or

> > rather before we read and understand it. Bharateeya jyotishis says

> many

> > things one just needs to travel over india and meet rare good

quality

> > jyotishis to find out that some of them use nak lordship of a nak

much

> > different to what we internet or city astrologers use. Without that

> > experience everything is bharateeya jyotish. On this Different nak

> > lordship and even different pada lordship (than what we know) one

Mr.

> > Shandalya from Nagpur has written in 1970s astrological magazine of

B

> V

> > Raman, once on this article of Shandalya i had interacted with

> ex-member

> > of this list Chandrashekhar Sharma if he knew about him as he was

from

> > Nagpur too.

> >

> > >

> > > Here atleast i am not running away from any discussions ,and if i

> > > mistake i dont hav any problems in admitting it .But what i dont

> like

> > is

> > > we need approval from NASA and some authorities for a theorey

which

> > last

> > > 15000 years indians were using where as they started their lesson

> from

> > > indian astronomy .

> >

> > SJ: Here is my concern with current breed of indians (am indian too

> lol)

> > and that is we tend to think after spending few yrs in jyotish that

we

> > know everything what our sages said, what they did 15000 yrs ago,

what

> > technique they used 15000 yrs ago. We tend to display superiority

> > complex & ego. Alas we do not know head or tail of the most

fantastic

> > predictive thing in Jyotish which is Bhrigu Jyotish, not a single

> thing

> > on it that is worthy enough has come out. The dasas and transits in

it

> > are so different then we will question how is Sage Bhrigu following

a

> > different transit than what we are following. Ok Bhrighu is long

back

> > lets come recent, lets take Varahamihira the transit system he used

is

> > codefied in a verse in Brhat Jataka and a member that once Pradeep

or

> > Sriram here mentioned discussed it in this list, thank God people

did

> > not notice then we will think that Varahamihira was mad, the

question

> we

> > must think is when Mihira or Kalyan Varma said Mer aspecting Sun how

> is

> > that possible what Transit rotation they are using is it the normal

> > transit they are referring. (one of these days i will write on

Bhrigu

> > Jyotish & predicting name)

> >

> > I prefer running away from discussions which are useless and time

> > consuming as in that time i can spend time reading on jyotish.

> >

> > > if u like it,pls study it, apply it and come out with ur experince

> > were

> > > we are ready to accept any new theoreys .

> > SJ: This is not for u Sunil, speaking in general i for one do not

> > believe that new theories & researches should be shared very openly,

i

> > use the word very since i feel most jyotishis today are Grandfathers

> of

> > Parasara, no one wants to learn, everyone wants to teach & become

> Gurus

> > unfortunately. Its better to do ones research quietly test it on

> > hundreds of charts over years and share to one person who is a true

> > seeker. its more satisfying than sharing it with 'We know everything

> > Men'

> >

> > > hope i am not objucting u and u will understand my strictness

> towards

> > > the subjuct which is primary concern than our frndship

> > >

> > SJ:Ofcourse our friendship is never effected, i do not mind anyones

> > strictness provided that person has an open mind, i always asked

those

> > hardcore Talibanists of Jyotish, how did KNRao have the guts to go

> > against the sages and do his research e.g the MB degrees research,

the

> > Chara Dasha research, why did KNR not be strict in his approach of

the

> > fundamentals that Rishis had written, at the end i think who was

wiser

> > the KNRs or the Talibanists of Jyotish, who did greater work the

ones

> > who stuck behind the frocks weaved out of books we do not understand

> or

> > the KNR who went beyond the books and created a path for us.

> >

> > Anyways long mail from me which is too boring I must quit from this

> > thread as its no use for me, sorry i got to be selfish in Jyotish if

i

> > have to converse my time in understanding it with my limited

> > intelligence

> >

> > best

> > SJ

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > >

> > > dear sunil .

> > >

> > > Moon in purticular area is called nakshatra and other planets

> > also

> > > has to hav sit in some nakshatra area and its is used in phala

> > jyothish

> > > ,nadi and evem Kp goes further divide sub lords and sub lords

which

> is

> > > also in nadis .

> > >

> > > So moon movement in a purticular area called moola is called moola

> > > nakshatra and if some born in that purticular day while moon

> > > transversing is known take birth in moola janma nakshatra ,and

ruler

> > of

> > > its named as ketu and his begining dasa will be calculated as ketu

> > > mahadasa

> > >

> > > There no confusion here ,its a mathematical area

> > >

> > > I dont know what P S sastry says and his book and i must say so

long

> > as

> > > i am concerned abt this very basics ,even if any one come out with

> any

> > > more confusing theorey ,i dont need to take it as astrology is

> > anubhava

> > > and anumana and phalm as its only a predictive science .

> > >

> > > Now u say i am going away from sub juct

> > >

> > > Think abt yogini where the details we use other than vimshottary

> > dasa

> > > and y its a dasa of 36 years .

> > >

> > > so when i use it i must use it as it is ,otherwise i can always

ask

> > why

> > > d-9 for marriage and d-7 for kids like this where as in rasi we

see

> > 7th

> > > house for marriage and 5th house for kids,Many of reasoning may be

> > lost

> > > or still hidden in oral traditions and no amount books can

> supplement

> > it

> > > .

> > >

> > > I used NASA means so many signification cannot explained by NASA

and

> > why

> > > u r so purticular abt this only .Some context some nakshatras are

> ugra

> > > some teekshna like this ,each using at purticular time of usage

and

> > > occassions.

> > >

> > > Because of oval ness of universe moon may take more time or less

> > time

> > > but mathematicaly atleast for bharatheeya astrologers one

nakshatra

> is

> > > 13 degree and 20 minits ,nothing less .nothing more .

> > >

> > > Only abhijit nakhsatra is calculated differrent way( again not a

> > part

> > > of vimshottarry dasa scheme)

> > >

> > > Now i almost explain abt this ,but dont ask me why P S SASTRI

write

> > it

> > > as first of all i dont hav that book abd secondly i am not

> interested

> > to

> > > read it and confuse my mind which happened in earlier period my

> > > jyothisha profession and if he himself cannot prove by his one

book

> > then

> > > how u expect me to prove in some mails .

> > >

> > > if u like it,pls study it, apply it and come out with ur experince

> > were

> > > we are ready to accept any new theoreys .

> > >

> > > Here atleast i am not running away from any discussions ,and if i

> > > mistake i dont hav any problems in admitting it .But what i dont

> like

> > is

> > > we need approval from NASA and some authorities for a theorey

which

> > last

> > > 15000 years indians were using where as they started their lesson

> from

> > > indian astronomy .

> > >

> > > Atleast we hav recordical proofs much before their many theoreys .

> > >

> > > hope i am not objucting u and u will understand my strictness

> towards

> > > the subjuct which is primary concern than our frndship

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > >

> > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Datta Guru

> > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > >

> > > > 1) I think we all know that oval shaped brhmanda is no beginging

> no

> > > end

> > > >

> > > > > More than this how i can explain it .The moon movement in that

> > > > > purticular mathematical area is nakshatra and rishis called in

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > (its an area only )

> > > >

> > > > 2) I am confused on the moons movement part that u explain,

> without

> > > moon

> > > > also other areas where other planets are there there is a

> nakshatra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Now tell me were i am missing and i dont know why u r so

> > purticular

> > > > > abt astronomical accuracy as rishis called some nakshatra as

> males

> > > > ,Now

> > > > > shud we wait nasa to approve it? Or do we use our anubhava.

> > > > 3) The male or female part is the behavior and thats used in

> phalit

> > > not

> > > > in astronomy, my question was related to astronomy I repeat

twice

> > now,

> > > > if u are calling the astronomical part as male then u must ask

> NASA

> > > its

> > > > common sense i think, what i meant by diluting the topic was

this

> > part

> > > > only of wanting to ask NASA if a nak is male or female ) thats

> not

> > > > discussion but provocation as some may interpret.

> > > >

> > > > This thread looks dead and waste of time unless u or someone can

> > > discuss

> > > > or rather is capable of discussing what P.S.Sastri wrote in his

> book

> > > > Textbook of Scientific astrology as i could not understand what

he

> > was

> > > > talking.

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > > SJ

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sunil ,

> > > > >

> > > > > No body is diluting the topic .Naksatra is an area in this

oval

> > > shaped

> > > > > brhma anda so its a chapa dairghya degree ,not begining or end

> of

> > > any

> > > > > physical thing >

> > > > >

> > > > > More than this how i can explain it .The moon movement in that

> > > > > purticular mathematical area is nakshatra and rishis called in

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > (its an area only )

> > > > >

> > > > > Now tell me were i am missing and i dont know why u r so

> > purticular

> > > > > abt astronomical accuracy as rishis called some nakshatra as

> males

> > > > ,Now

> > > > > shud we wait nasa to approve it? Or do we use our anubhava.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > >

> > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > I think topic gets diluted if we deviate from our main point

> at

> > > hand

> > > > > by

> > > > > > bringing in other areas of discussion unless we remain

> succinct

> > in

> > > > our

> > > > > > discussion is what i have observed on lists over the years.

My

> > > reply

> > > > > on

> > > > > > that below :- SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sunil.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The problem of astronomy is handled by sidhnthi jyothishis

> who

> > r

> > > > > > > panchanga makers and i find only differrence is time taken

> by

> > > moon

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > transverse one nakshatra ,as the area in space is fixed

> > 13degree

> > > > 20

> > > > > > > minit and its a division of convenence not any purticular

> > reason

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > than their anubhava or reserch of rishis .so some

nakshatras

> > may

> > > > 58

> > > > > > > ghatikas and some may taken 65 ghatikas moon may take as

> moon

> > > > stithi

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > nakhsatra ,phala bhaga is unaffected ,only differrence is

> > which

> > > > > > > ayanamsa u use (use correct ayanamsa and subsequent rules

> -if

> > > use

> > > > KP

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > KP rules ,nadi nadi rules etc)

> > > > > > > SJ: My reason for writing was that i have not understood

> what

> > > > > > P.S.Sastri wrote in his book, n was asking if someone can

> > explain

> > > > what

> > > > > > he has written otherwise i know such discussions become non

> > > > > conclusive.

> > > > > > i think someone wrote about a source of 13.19 as duration of

a

> > > nak,

> > > > i

> > > > > > wait for that reference. Basic phalabhaga Can be from

> astronomy

> > > > > whether

> > > > > > we add ayanamsa that becomes our way of phalabhaga, as i

said

> > only

> > > > > when

> > > > > > we see the difference in phalabhaga minutely between the 2

> > > different

> > > > > > conditions raised in previous mail then we can come to some

> > > > conclusion

> > > > > > before that its just point of views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find the tamil panchanga gives a previous nakshatra and

> > lahiri

> > > > > > wallas

> > > > > > > gives a differrent nakhshatra if the time almost in end

part

> > of

> > > > > > > nakshatra and now a days the delination for each is not

> > properly

> > > > > > > followed ,as tamil panchanga generaly used for nadi

purpose

> > also

> > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > SJ: I recently experimented with the Vakhya panchang ,

though

> i

> > > was

> > > > > very

> > > > > > excited about it until i read a point made by B V Raman in

his

> > > > address

> > > > > > to the conference of Panchangas which made me not so sure if

> our

> > > > > > panchangas are calculated appropriately. But my point in my

> mail

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > ayanamsa or panchangs as thats secondary from the point of

> view

> > of

> > > > > > discussion at hand, the first point was the nak duration in

> sky,

> > > > > > ayanamsa comes much later.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > So we r as jyothishishis concerned abt results and we

cannot

> > go

> > > by

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > physical scince as nakshatra is a area or mandala which is

> 13

> > > > degree

> > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > minits -so we cannot go by modern scince -as they may say

to

> > day

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > planet is planet and otherdays not ,do we hav any logic

why

> > > rishis

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > swa ,moola ,ucha ,neecha kshetras ,astronomicaly what

> > relevence

> > > > > ?Also

> > > > > > > for them sani may be a gaseous planet ,is it is so for us

?

> > > > > > > SJ: I am not to sure how the above discussion came into

this

> > > point

> > > > > > that we were discussing, but since we talk of rishis i

always

> > > > wondered

> > > > > > why they had different views on say a particular point Ven

in

> > 12H,

> > > > Sat

> > > > > > in 7H etc etc. My explanation is observation for why Rishis

> > > thought

> > > > > > about ucha etc since they observed that to be so.

> > > > > > Infact if Shani is a gaseous planet thats a great info to

know

> > to

> > > > > > predict the results of shani some learned would say. I asked

> > this

> > > > > > question to someone far superior than our known jyotishs and

> he

> > > said

> > > > > to

> > > > > > me and my friend, the answer to this is to read Padma Purana

> and

> > > > then

> > > > > > think a lot, answer would come. My two cents if someone

wants

> to

> > > go

> > > > > > ahead with padma purana and understand the chapter on

creation

> &

> > > > then

> > > > > > co-relate it to the gaseous planet or hot lava on Mars , I

do

> > not

> > > > > know.

> > > > > > People do not explain full for various reasons which i

respect

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > so phala bhaga is more what i am concerned and not

astronomy

> .

> > > > > > > SJ: I think the discussion was on astronomy and not

> > phalabhaga,

> > > > > > ofcourse i can be wrong in my assumptions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be other jyothishis failing is their lack of knowledge

> in

> > a

> > > > > > subjuct

> > > > > > > and jyothisha is not simply understanding and digesting a

> > > subjuct

> > > > ,i

> > > > > > > find best knowledgeable persons fail in other subjuct also

> > .here

> > > > > > > jyothisha is also a scince u need guru s blessing and god

s

> > > grace

> > > > ,i

> > > > > > > think even if u r a doctor u need all this .

> > > > > > > SJ: Ofcourse we all know the above & has been repeated by

> all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here i am following time tested and may a parampara of

15000

> > > years

> > > > > > > experince which our gurukula tradition has .

> > > > > > > SJ: I thought Jyotish was beyond 15000 yrs. But I am not

too

> > > sure

> > > > of

> > > > > > paramparas as results of what planets would give results 100

> > back

> > > > > might

> > > > > > be different than what it is giving now. I do not know if

all

> > the

> > > > > > shlokas given in BPHS (some 1400 or 3000 yrs back whatever

one

> > > wants

> > > > > to

> > > > > > date ) are working to the T in todays charts, so i feel we

> have

> > an

> > > > > > uphill task of not learning from even our modern day Rishis

&

> > > still

> > > > > > sticking to Parampara of what we know minuscule. As I repeat

> > here

> > > i

> > > > am

> > > > > > yet to meet a parampara astrologer who would be given 100

> charts

> > > to

> > > > > time

> > > > > > marriage month and he being successful on 100 charts, if 50

> > still

> > > i

> > > > > > would be most impressed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > SJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1) If we take astronomically vs Phalit then thats not

the

> > > > question

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > since first we need to agree if astronomically its

> different

> > > > from

> > > > > > > > 13.20 which so far to my knowledge P.S.Sastri has

pointed

> > out

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Whether results i.e Phalit part is in tune with the

> > > > > astronomical

> > > > > > > > points we would need to decide that next after the first

> > point

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > established

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3) The problem with current breed of jyotishis is hardly

> 1%

> > > are

> > > > > > > > astronomers & then the question of good quality

> astronomers

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4) The tatparya of what my questions were if a nakshatra

> is

> > of

> > > > 10

> > > > > > > > degrees instead of 13.20 degrees then if we are taking a

> > > planet

> > > > in

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > Moola nakshatras 11 degree its actually not in Moola but

> in

> > > > P.Asha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > the results will vary drastically.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and i even heard astronomicaly rasi may be differrent

in

> > > > lenghth

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5) If we presume the nakshatras to form the Rasis then

if

> > the

> > > > > > > > nakshatras are of different length then 'Obviously' the

> > Rasis

> > > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > of different length.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lets not forget that many seasoned astrologers fail in

> > Simple

> > > > > > Exercise

> > > > > > > > of interpreting results of a planet could this be the

> > reason,

> > > i

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > know but speaking aloud what i have posted here before

in

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this nakshatra duration.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kind regards

> > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we are concenrend is only nakshatras and one

> > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > be take long time to pass by moon and some may be less

> as

> > > > cosmos

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > oval in shape ,but 60 ghatikas(24 hours) is average

> ,even

> > > > though

> > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > > degree 20 min is considered for each nakshatra -which

> > > consist

> > > > of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > grp

> > > > > > > > > of stars and giving a purticular shape and

promininetly

> > some

> > > 4

> > > > > or

> > > > > > 6

> > > > > > > > > nakhsatra may be viscible .But we are covering an area

> of

> > 13

> > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 20 minit of cosmos tru that nakshatra mandala,so 27

> > > nakshatras

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > giv

> > > > > > > > > 360 degress.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And lord ship in considered same for each three

> nakshatras

> > > of

> > > > 9

> > > > > > > groups

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > like ashwini ,makha ,moola is ketu is lord in

> vimshottarry

> > > > > scheme

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The poets and epics say moon is travelling tru his

wifes

> > > > > quatrers

> > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > day and each nakshatra is wife of moon .and rohini is

> > > favrite

> > > > > > among

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > <but astronomicaly may be differrent and i am least

> > > concerned

> > > > as

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > not come into phala bhaga as jyothish is a predictive

> > > sceince

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > astronomy is a physical science .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Imagine rahu and ketu ,astromicaly there is no rahu

ketu

> > > > ,gulika

> > > > > > > > > ,mandi etc as physical bodies nor viscible or feel and

> we

> > r

> > > > > using

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > delinating results and crores of planets are there we

> take

> > > > only

> > > > > 7

> > > > > > > > > planets and 27 nakshatras in calculating the results

> along

> > > > with

> > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > rasis

> > > > > > > > > and i even heard astronomicaly rasi may be differrent

in

> > > > lenghth

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > > > > > > > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " suniljohn_2002 "

> > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > OM Datta Guru

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini,

> > > > > > > > > > This is an interesting topic and for long i have

> pursued

> > > it

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > getting a clear cut guidance. Shri P.S.Sastri in his

> > book

> > > > > > > > 'Scientific

> > > > > > > > > > Text Book of Astrology' gives us different sizes for

> > each

> > > > > > > nakshatra,

> > > > > > > > > (If

> > > > > > > > > > i remember well) if we follow that then the nak

> lordship

> > > is

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > changed dramatically at times

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Have u or anyone gone deeper in this and found some

> > source

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The size of 13.19 can you kindly quote the reference

> for

> > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > studies

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil John

> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" ashwinikumaras "

> > > > > > > > > > ashwinikumaras@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " pranesh_joshi2003 "

> > > > > > > > > > > pranesh_joshi2003@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am looking for a reference from a classic

where

> it

> > > is

> > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > that each nakshatra is of an equal size (13.33

> > > degrees).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > PJ

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know for two size in rashi for each nakshatras:

> > > > > > > > > > > 1-13.20 degrees, with this size K.N.Rao is agreed.

> > > > > > > > > > > 2-13.19 from another texts

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > ashwini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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