Marriage, Dharma and more - Sri Prafulla

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Namaste Prafullaji

 

The view that you have suggested is a more modern view. Perhaps it is

shedding light on the happenings in today's world. When I try to take a

view, I depend upon the Upanishads for the same. Jyotish as a subject, being

a Vedanga, has to be in line with the Upanishadic teaching. Therefore, a

traditional view holds much more importance for me. It helps me see a chart

from that perspective.

 

The main role of marriage is to identify with an another. This breaks the

egocentric view and nurtures acceptance. That is why family (first

identification) and wife and her family (2nd identification) are very

important steps in one's life in the spiritual journey. The Vedas give great

significance to the human birth. It is a celebration. It is a god gift to

overcome ignorance and be free from all assumed bindings. They view each and

every ashrama of life in that manner. Similarly, when 7th house is viewed as

a house of identification, it makes sense to me. Malefics will not let you

identify and instead become very controlling as if in a master-slave

relationship. While viewing the 7th house, it is also better to look at 9th

house. This will show whether or not that person understands the dharma. If

the 9th house and 9th lord are afflicted, we would have a genuine major

problem at hand as regards marriage, especially if 7th is afflicted too.

Generally, when I come across such a combination, I check the other two

trikona sthanas and see if the person gets some support.

 

So the principle of Dharma-Artha-Kama becomes relevant. The principle states

that Artha and Kama are to be pursued keeping Dharma in mind. By following

Dharma, one becomes free of likes and dislikes and is able to perform karma

that burns it and does not create fresh karma. This brings forth a

meditative mind fit for knowledge and mukumshatvam. It is for this reason,

in our four purusharthas Dharma comes first and foremost. It is to reaffirm

its importance. The same principle when applied to Jyotish, can help us

check clearly, whether a problem is with pursuing kama with right means or

wrong means.

 

When we talk of modern happenings, we are referring to an experience. An

experience is defined as subject-object relationship. The subject is

oneself. Each subject has a different level of knowledge and hence a

different interpretation of the same happening. Therefore, the experience

depends upon the knowledge of the subject. If two subjects, husband and

wife, are experiencing some problems in marriage, check their thinking and

maturity. How are they interpreting their happenings? This is how every

graha is responsible directly or indirectly to the happenings of the 7th

house. Again, we get the subject-object knowledge from the Vedas and can

apply it to Jyotish.

 

I did read Sri Mridula Trivedi's comments in one of her books, but, did not

agree to it. It is more of a " populist " statement rather than a deep

thought-out reply to someone's question. I hope you understand what I mean.

 

Coming back to our topic, if we take the principles of Chakra from Tantra,

we can very quickly check the diseases that can afflict a

person. Traditional views, in my view, open avenues for research, rethinking

and loads of knowledge.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 7/20/07, Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat ji and Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Though Parashar has rferred 7th house for marriage, but Uttarkalammrit

> has hinted 7th house to0 decide construction and sensitivity of his

> sexual organs.

>

> Mridula Trivedi has once gave an interesting view on 7th house as

> marriage house:

>

> marriage has strong relationship with social discipline born out of an

> individual need for companionship and love and the urge to procreate.

> It is the middle house in horoscope sandwitched between house of enemy

> and death. After marriage, native enters into another realm of life. A

> host of factors compel him to view his life from different

> perspective. The family must be protected, nurtured, flourished and

> saved from a host of enemies (so man has to gear up to a defensive

> posture for social, economic and external factors). Ans he has to keep

> his stance up throughout his life and is liberated only after his death.

>

> if one looks at swyamwar marriage, king has to fight with enemies to

> get his bride; and failure might mean his death.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> >

> > There is no authority which has explained why this is so. However as

> you

> > asked me to throw some light on this, I shall give my opinion on why

> > this is so.

> >

> > Marriage in true hindu sense is when two individual not only marry but

> > get transformed into each other's image. That is why lagna and 7th

> bhava

> > are opposite each other and though opposing they are complimentary. So

> > after marriage the groom gives up some of his likes and dislikes and so

> > does the bride. They also accept each other's traits. That is when they

> > merge. Once the merger takes place the marriage is complete in real

> > sense. We see that occupants of both the bhavas aspect each other by

> > full 7th house aspect and thus are capable of mutual influence. having

> > merged, it becomes necessary to find the initiation of rasi dasha by

> > finding out which is the stronger of the two bhavas as both become

> > material but the one that has changed the least will be the guiding

> > light for events to unfold in future.

> >

> > These are my personal views on the subject and others could view it

> in a

> > different manner.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji

> > >

> > > Can you please expand upon it and give me a deeper understanding?

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > >

> > > > You may also like to think about the fact that in rasi dashas, the

> > > > stronger between the Lagna and the 7th bhava is considered to

> give the

> > > > first dasha. So they do represent each other as do two partners in

> > > > marriage.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji

> > > > >

> > > > > True, I misread his email.

> > > > >

> > > > > 7th house interpretation bugged me for a long time : Why would

> Rishis

> > > > > call the house of marriage also as the house of markesh. One

> day this

> > > > came

> > > > > as a thought to me, which made sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > >

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bharat,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think Venkatachala asked, in the original thread, what

> constitutes

> > > > > > marriage in astrology in the modern days. I do not remember he

> > > writing

> > > > > > about how marriage should be lived, or if he did then that

> question

> > > > > > should go to the Dharma shastra lists if any.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your point of the reason for 7th being marakesha and also

> bhava of

> > > > > > spouse is an interesting interpretation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji and Sri Venkatachalaji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The role of marriage is to expand from the lower I thinking

> > > > (egoistic,

> > > > > > > individualistic and selfish thinking) to a slightly bigger I

> > > > (wherein

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > " I " encompasses both the person and his/her spouse). The

> > > > > > > identification with

> > > > > > > another breaks the singular individuality into a slightly

> larger

> > > > > > > " duality " .

> > > > > > > The purpose of a human life is to understand the whole as

> true

> > > " I " .

> > > > > > > Marriage

> > > > > > > becomes a very important step in the same. I agree with Sri

> > > > > > > Venkatachalaji's

> > > > > > > thinking that the marriage needs to " lived " successfully

> to be

> > > known

> > > > > > > so. It

> > > > > > > is this that would serve the true purpose of a marriage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps, because of its killing of " individuality " nature,

> it is

> > > > given

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same house as is the markesh.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just the desire to have a long marriage would not suffice for

> > > > marriage

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > one does not renounce one's likes and dislikes and follow what

> > > > > needs to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > done and what needs to be accepted OR does not perform actions

> > > > > > supporting

> > > > > > > one's desires. Maybe we can alter by saying - That the

> desire is

> > > > there

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > the understanding of the necessity of action and acceptance,

> > > > wherever

> > > > > > > required.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I may be wrong too

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 7/18/07, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > >

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > >

> > >

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk><chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Venkatachala Pathi,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am younger than you and if my response pleases you it is

> > > my good

> > > > > > > > fortune. I am yet a student of this divine science and

> hope to

> > > > > remain

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > till the end of my life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have replied, in the way that I did, for a very specific

> > > reason.

> > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > query was about how to look at marriage as understood by

> Vedic

> > > > > > scholars

> > > > > > > > with reference to the present day scenario, or words to that

> > > > effect.

> > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > then though Kanyaa is given in Dana the Putra is not and

> both do

> > > > get

> > > > > > > > married. So I think the loss and gain part may not be

> > > universally

> > > > > > > > applicable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then how to relate this to the modern trend of live-in

> partners

> > > > and

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > sex marriages? The last two of the variety of them can not

> > > begin a

> > > > > > > > Kutumba at all. And then there are casual relationships

> that are

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > > on income to one and loss to other. So I would not think

> > > > > that2nd, 11th

> > > > > > > > and 7th need necessarily have to be involved in

> marriages in the

> > > > > > modern

> > > > > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As you say, the marriage begins when they live together, no

> > > doubt

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > that. But then the question is whether we consider a

> > > marriage that

> > > > > > > > breaks within a week or a day as a marriage or an affair?

> > > This is

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > because in modern days some may live for some days together

> > > > > purely on

> > > > > > > > financial consideration and with no intention of getting

> > > married.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is why, I think the necessary element is the desire to

> > > > > spend life

> > > > > > > > together has to be there at the time of marriage of living

> > > > together,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > that to be considered as a marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think this definition is more appropriate as the

> jataka and

> > > > Spouse

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > in 1 and 7 bhava and these two bhava cause a sort of

> merger or

> > > > > > exchange

> > > > > > > > of habits over a sufficiently long period spent

> together. So the

> > > > > > husband

> > > > > > > > gives up some of his dislikes and likes and accepts

> those of the

> > > > > wife

> > > > > > > > and vice-a-versa. The lagna is the bhava of birth which

> is the

> > > > state

> > > > > > > > after death and the 7th is the Maraka sthana so

> equivalent of

> > > > death,

> > > > > > > > which leads to beginning of the process of birth. Or if the

> > > > > > terminology

> > > > > > > > is too harsh, lagna is the rise of Sun, that has to set at

> > > the 7th

> > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > and the 7th bhava is the setting of Sun that has to rise

> in the

> > > > > Lagna.

> > > > > > > > So the bhavas have to merge and so do the parties to the

> > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So in the example provided by you, if the person did not

> > > have any

> > > > > > > > intention to remain with his partner for life, I would

> not treat

> > > > > that

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > marriage, but an affair. Some astrologers prefer to look at

> > > > affairs

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > A7 and spouse from UL. I think they are right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course these are my personal views and I could be wrong.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr. Chandrasekarji,

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is a great day in my 78 years of age to have a

> > > message from

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > great astrologer like you.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your reply is 'partially' correct. While in Vedic

> > > Astrology, the

> > > > > > term

> > > > > > > > > 'marriage' is the 'Union " of two people of opposite

> sex to be

> > > > > > traced.

> > > > > > > > > (now a days we also have to look into variety of 'unions'

> > > > > crept into

> > > > > > > > > modern society - and, is it possible to find in Vedic

> > > Astrology

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > these strange 'unions'?). this is referred to by one

> of us as

> > > > > > 'Kannika

> > > > > > > > > Dhan'.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 'Dhan' itself is loss ( or moving away from ones

> ownership) to

> > > > one

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > gain to other. That is the reason along with 2nd house

> > > (Kudumba)

> > > > +

> > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > House (Partnership) and 11 house the house of gain is

> > > 'largely'

> > > > > > > > > considered. But that DOES NOT COMPLETE THE MARRIAGE.

> > > > > > > > > The 'marriage' is complete only when they 'live' together,

> > > > 'unite'

> > > > > > > > > together' and 'progress' together. So the ceremony of

> > > > > 'marriage' and

> > > > > > > > > in any religion it is a formal declaration and not

> 'complete'

> > > > > in all

> > > > > > > > > respects as quoted above.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My request is if these three segments are necessary to

> > > > > 'complete' a

> > > > > > > > > marriage, how you find these together to happen on the

> given

> > > > > time in

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > horoscope, and what are the contributions by position, by

> > > > > portfolio,

> > > > > > > > > and by inter relationship among Planets, Star Zone etc in

> > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > as reached in DP,BP,SP,ASP to arrive at it?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is because, one male involved in one segment of three

> > > > listed

> > > > > > > > > above and claimed that he is not married. I explained his

> > > > > period of

> > > > > > > > > involvement and the troubles he will experience (which

> has

> > > been

> > > > > > proved

> > > > > > > > > beyond any iota of doubt) in last 1 year 2 months. His

> parent

> > > > > > (unaware

> > > > > > > > > of this) is planning for his marriage. In my parlance his

> > > > > 'marriage'

> > > > > > > > > or 'marriages' are over (and one segment of said

> > > 'marriage' will

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > to continue) and only the spouse could not be 'fixed',

> and the

> > > > > > result

> > > > > > > > > of the (2nd house portfolio) could not be fulfilled.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, I am greatly involved in further deductions to him,

> > > and look

> > > > > > > > > forward to all in this forum to help me how further

> this could

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > analyzed. (I think the details of horoscope is not

> > > necessary, as

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > a 'generalized' analysis). I will take this thereon

> from your

> > > > > guide

> > > > > > > > lines.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry to take your precious time, and your advise will

> be of

> > > > great

> > > > > > > > > help to all in this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pathi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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