Ashtakavarga Question and Doubt?-To Chi.Ravindran Nair

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Namaste Sri.Gupta ji et al,

 

I attempted to run the method suggest by you, that add the BAV of 10H to

that of 12H, and compare it to 11H, unfortunately, as expected, even the charts

of major billionaires do not pass this test?

 

The latter one being the karma phala more than the karma itself, in 11H >10H

and <12H appeared to be in line in ancient teachings...

 

Kindly educate if there is an error in my understanding..

 

Gaurav

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/15/2007 5:52:18 P.M. India Standard Time,

gupta816 writes:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev

Astakavarga phalaâ€) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its

suitability or otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a

more precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate

cash flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th

house indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala†an earlier treaty says that the following could

be inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the

native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it

is an indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is

an indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev Astakavarga

phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its suitability or

otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote:

Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a

more precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is

an indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Guptaji,

 

Wants to be in touch with you frequently, so the post.

 

I have come across this concept in SJC notes and audios which give importance

to Arudha Lagna than lagna because that is what the public at large see about

our income and expenditure.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev Astakavarga

phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its suitability or

otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a more

precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is an

indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Chi.Ravi Nair,

My understanding of Ashtakavarga concept is that each graha exerts benefic /

malafic phala on various houses in relation with other graha including the graha

under question & Lagna.

We use Lagna as 1st house and from there on we count2,3,4 .... so on houses

 

Now I understand from you that each graha exerts benefic / malafic phala on

various houses in relation with other graha including the graha under question &

AL (instead of Lagna).

I presume you use AL as the 1st house and from there on you count 2,3,4 ....so

on houses.

 

This above referred later concept I am not aware of.

How ever I am of the opinion we can welcome any system, if it is result

oriented.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote:

Dear Guptaji,

 

Wants to be in touch with you frequently, so the post.

 

I have come across this concept in SJC notes and audios which give importance

to Arudha Lagna than lagna because that is what the public at large see about

our income and expenditure.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev

Astakavarga phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its

suitability or otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a

more precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is

an indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

Very interesting.

As per Guptaji's books [7 graha + Lagna to be used for Ashtavarga

calculations]of ref. 11H > 10H+12H = RAJA YOGA.

 

Under your books[7graha+AL to used for Ashtavarga calculations] of ref. A 11 >

A10+UL = Raja yoga.

Is it ok my understandings?Kindly make it clear.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote:

Dear Guptaji,

 

Wants to be in touch with you frequently, so the post.

 

I have come across this concept in SJC notes and audios which give importance

to Arudha Lagna than lagna because that is what the public at large see about

our income and expenditure.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev

Astakavarga phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its

suitability or otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a

more precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is

an indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Guptaji,

 

Lagna is self and AL is the perceived self, means what others see of you.

Suppose you have Mars in Lagna, basically you will be a short tempered man. But

if the AL is with Venus, then for the public at large you will be a very jolly

person whereas in fact you are a short tempered man. That is the difference

between Lagna and AL as I understood.

 

So for the purpose of assessing the income and expenditure which is judged at

public point of view, then 11th from AL shall show the income and 12th from AL

shall show expenses. In fact the real situation from lagna may be something

else but the public at large see as per the situation from AL.

 

Guptaji, hope I have expressed my point clearly.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravi Nair,

My understanding of Ashtakavarga concept is that each graha exerts benefic /

malafic phala on various houses in relation with other graha including the graha

under question & Lagna.

We use Lagna as 1st house and from there on we count2,3,4 .... so on houses

 

Now I understand from you that each graha exerts benefic / malafic phala on

various houses in relation with other graha including the graha under question &

AL (instead of Lagna).

I presume you use AL as the 1st house and from there on you count 2,3,4 ....so

on houses.

 

This above referred later concept I am not aware of.

How ever I am of the opinion we can welcome any system, if it is result

oriented.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

 

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Wants to be in touch with you frequently, so the post.

 

I have come across this concept in SJC notes and audios which give importance to

Arudha Lagna than lagna because that is what the public at large see about our

income and expenditure.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev Astakavarga

phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its suitability or

otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a more

precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is an

indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Karunam Raghavam,

 

My point is only to look at Guptaji's point of Ashtavarga calculation from

Aruda Lagna rather than Lagna. Lagna is the real self and it shall show the

reality, but the Aruda Lagna is the perceived self, means what others see of

you. So calculation of Ashtavarga as mentioned by Guptaji will be more ideal if

it is looked up from the public point of view i.e., Aruda Lagna, that is what

the public feel about your income and expenditure.

 

Suppose from lagna, if 10th and 12th ashtavarga points are equal to 11th, then

in fact you have no saving and is squared even. But from Aruda lagna, the 11th

house has more points, then the public at large have an impression about you of

having much savings whereas it is not the reality but the perceived impression

about yourself in pubic.

 

Hope I have made my point clear.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

KARUNAAKARAM RAAGHAVAM <munisevitham wrote:

Namaste,

Very interesting.

As per Guptaji's books [7 graha + Lagna to be used for Ashtavarga

calculations]of ref. 11H > 10H+12H = RAJA YOGA.

 

Under your books[7graha+AL to used for Ashtavarga calculations] of ref. A 11 >

A10+UL = Raja yoga.

Is it ok my understandings?Kindly make it clear.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Wants to be in touch with you frequently, so the post.

 

I have come across this concept in SJC notes and audios which give importance to

Arudha Lagna than lagna because that is what the public at large see about our

income and expenditure.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Chi.Ravindran Nair,

[how are you Sir,]

The concept of Arudha Lagna was not discussed in the book ( “Ramadev Astakavarga

phala”) To begin with we may now try it academically and find its suitability or

otherwise.

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

" A. Ravindran Nair " <rain13club wrote: Dear Guptaji,

 

Nice information. Rajayoga concept of summing up 10H+12H v/s 11H is a good

information for me.

 

Would it be better if we take reference from Arudha Lagna which will give a more

precise estimate of what he can achieve.

 

Regards

 

Ravi Nair

 

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 wrote:

Dear Sir,

 

I am of the opinion that one of the functions the 2nd house is to indicate cash

flow before accounting for the incidental and over head expences;11th house

indicates the individuals net worth position – creditor / debtor.

“Ramadev Astakavarga phala” an earlier treaty says that the following could be

inferred from ‘charvaangka ashtakavarga’:-

(1) In BAV, if the points in the 11th house are in excess of the summed up

points in the 10th and 12th houses, would indicate ‘Raajayoga’ to the native.

(2) In BAV, if the 12th house points are higher than that of 11th house it is an

indication of excessive expenses.

(3) In the BAV, if the 12th house points are in excess of the 10th house is an

indication of no laabha in the under taken trade.

 

With regards,

D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

 

planck12 <planck12 wrote: Hello members,

There is basic doubt about ashtavarga lingering in my mind. In a lot of

books it states that if the points in the 11th house are more than 12th

house in BAV then a person has more saving as compared to expenses.

 

What I cannot seem to reason out is why should that be the case, infact

house 2 deals with savings and position of bank and money so infact

shouldn't house two have more points than house 12th for that to be

true. House 11 is just for gains, which could be of any nature. If

house 11 has more points that house 12. I would assume that a person

would gain however, it does not mean the person would save necessarily

because the condition of house 2 is required for savings.

 

So I feel in order for a person to save it would make more sense to say

that house 2 (and not 11) should have more BAV points than house 12

(expenses)

 

regards

 

 

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Check outnew cars at Autos.