Vargottama: traditional view

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" manasa sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

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Monday, August 27, 2007 9:43 PM

Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Mrs.Wendy,

Thank you for the input on Vargottama.

Based on what you wrote if a planet is in vargottama in kendra does it give

the same results as mahapurusha yoga. I was told by a very knowledgeable

person that such planets are supposed to give these yogas in sukshma.Do you

support this view?

Rgds,

Manasa

August 28, 2007

Dear List,

Mars in Aries, in 4th house, from Lagna gives a kind of result. Mars

in Aries, in10th house, from Lagna would certainly differ in giving

its result. Both are termed as the Ruchaka yoga. Thus Mars produces

twelve different kinds of Ruchaka Yoga. All twelve positions

certainly go under the name of Mahapurusha Yoga. Still the results

will differ from each other. But the basic requirement is that the

Mars should be placed in a Kendra from Lagna and that Kendra should

be either Aries or Scorpio or Capricorn.

Likewise Vargottama planets do act in a chart. One should carefully

consider how a planet attains vargottama status in a chart. There

are subtle differences involved in this process. The difference is

so subtle to notice and so are the results. A planet can be in any

sign and in any house in Rasi chart. It is to be seen where that

planet moves in Navamsa, the sign may be the same, but in which house

from Navamsa Lagna. There is no requirement of houses attached

here.

Swamy.

August 28, 2007

Dear Swamy,

///It is to be seen where that planet moves in Navamsa, the sign may be the

same, but in which house from Navamsa Lagna. There is no requirement of

houses attached here.///

This is correct, in fact there is widespread consensus that bhavas apply to

Rasi only...not to vargas (navamsha etc).

I, personally, am still undecided on this...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:18 PM

Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear List,

Mars in Aries, in 4th house, from Lagna gives a kind of result. Mars

in Aries, in10th house, from Lagna would certainly differ in giving

its result. Both are termed as the Ruchaka yoga. Thus Mars produces

twelve different kinds of Ruchaka Yoga. All twelve positions

certainly go under the name of Mahapurusha Yoga. Still the results

will differ from each other. But the basic requirement is that the

Mars should be placed in a Kendra from Lagna and that Kendra should

be either Aries or Scorpio or Capricorn.

Likewise Vargottama planets do act in a chart. One should carefully

consider how a planet attains vargottama status in a chart. There

are subtle differences involved in this process. The difference is

so subtle to notice and so are the results. A planet can be in any

sign and in any house in Rasi chart. It is to be seen where that

planet moves in Navamsa, the sign may be the same, but in which house

from Navamsa Lagna. There is no requirement of houses attached

here.

Swamy.

August 28, 2007

Dear Wendy,

Thanks for making your stand clear. That reminds me of one more

such issue where the astrologers are divided. It is about

reading aspects in varga charts. Some are of the firm opinion

that aspects should be seen only in Rasi charts as aspects are

manifestation of physical positions of the planets. And,

conversely, it is incorrect to consider aspects in the varga

charts.

Please give your opinion on this subject.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Swamy,

>

> ///It is to be seen where that planet moves in Navamsa, the

> sign may be the

> same, but in which house from Navamsa Lagna. There is no

> requirement of

> houses attached here.///

>

> This is correct, in fact there is widespread consensus that

> bhavas apply to

> Rasi only...not to vargas (navamsha etc).

>

> I, personally, am still undecided on this...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

> <muthukumaraswamydesigar

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:18 PM

> Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> Dear List,

>

> Mars in Aries, in 4th house, from Lagna gives a kind of

> result. Mars

> in Aries, in10th house, from Lagna would certainly differ in

> giving

> its result. Both are termed as the Ruchaka yoga. Thus Mars

> produces

> twelve different kinds of Ruchaka Yoga. All twelve positions

> certainly go under the name of Mahapurusha Yoga. Still the

> results

> will differ from each other. But the basic requirement is

> that the

> Mars should be placed in a Kendra from Lagna and that Kendra

> should

> be either Aries or Scorpio or Capricorn.

>

> Likewise Vargottama planets do act in a chart. One should

> carefully

> consider how a planet attains vargottama status in a chart.

> There

> are subtle differences involved in this process. The

> difference is

> so subtle to notice and so are the results. A planet can be

> in any

> sign and in any house in Rasi chart. It is to be seen where

> that

> planet moves in Navamsa, the sign may be the same, but in

> which house

> from Navamsa Lagna. There is no requirement of houses

> attached

> here.

>

> Swamy.

>

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August 28, 2007

Dear Krishna,

///Please give your opinion on this subject.///

Certainly, just bear with me for a bit...busy off-line at the moment :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:08 PM

Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Wendy,

Thanks for making your stand clear. That reminds me of one more

such issue where the astrologers are divided. It is about

reading aspects in varga charts. Some are of the firm opinion

that aspects should be seen only in Rasi charts as aspects are

manifestation of physical positions of the planets. And,

conversely, it is incorrect to consider aspects in the varga

charts.

Please give your opinion on this subject.

Regards,

Krishna

August 28, 2007

Dear Krishna,

I recall some references (in BPHS) to varga aspects. Here is one:

BPHS Ch.39

**13-14. If the six divisions (shadvargas) of the ascendant is occupied or

aspected by one and the same planet, a Raja yoga is doubtlessly formed.

According to the aspect is full, half, or one-fourth, results will be in

order full, medium, and negligible.**

There are more references but no time to locate at the moment. Perhaps

others can point to them...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://jyotishvidya.com/ch39.htm

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<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:08 PM

Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Wendy,

Thanks for making your stand clear. That reminds me of one more

such issue where the astrologers are divided. It is about

reading aspects in varga charts. Some are of the firm opinion

that aspects should be seen only in Rasi charts as aspects are

manifestation of physical positions of the planets. And,

conversely, it is incorrect to consider aspects in the varga

charts.

Please give your opinion on this subject.

Regards,

Krishna

August 29, 2007

Dear Wendy,

A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written on the

interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like this

is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects in

varga charts in the entire BPHS.

There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought back to

Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should be

seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And, the

aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

eventually there was no conclusion reached.

At the same time, we have seen that many great contemporary

Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing is the

lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS (except

for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

What is the truth? Only time will tell.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> I recall some references (in BPHS) to varga aspects. Here is

> one:

>

> BPHS Ch.39

> **13-14. If the six divisions (shadvargas) of the ascendant is

> occupied or

> aspected by one and the same planet, a Raja yoga is

> doubtlessly formed.

> According to the aspect is full, half, or one-fourth, results

> will be in

> order full, medium, and negligible.**

>

> There are more references but no time to locate at the moment.

> Perhaps

> others can point to them...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:08 PM

> Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Thanks for making your stand clear. That reminds me of one

> more

> such issue where the astrologers are divided. It is about

> reading aspects in varga charts. Some are of the firm opinion

> that aspects should be seen only in Rasi charts as aspects are

> manifestation of physical positions of the planets. And,

> conversely, it is incorrect to consider aspects in the varga

> charts.

>

> Please give your opinion on this subject.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

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August 29, 2007

Dear Krishna,

///Looks like this is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects

in

varga charts in the entire BPHS.///

I could be wrong, of course, but I do have it in the back of my mind that I

have seen other references. Unfortunately I've had rather a busy day here

(off-list) and lack the energy to do an extensive search. Will try to do so

tomorrow, God willing.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://jyotishvidya.com/ch39.htm

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:20 PM

Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Wendy,

A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written on the

interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like this

is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects in

varga charts in the entire BPHS.

There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought back to

Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should be

seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And, the

aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

eventually there was no conclusion reached.

At the same time, we have seen that many great contemporary

Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing is the

lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS (except

for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

What is the truth? Only time will tell.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> I recall some references (in BPHS) to varga aspects. Here is

> one:

>

> BPHS Ch.39

> **13-14. If the six divisions (shadvargas) of the ascendant is

> occupied or

> aspected by one and the same planet, a Raja yoga is

> doubtlessly formed.

> According to the aspect is full, half, or one-fourth, results

> will be in

> order full, medium, and negligible.**

>

> There are more references but no time to locate at the moment.

> Perhaps

> others can point to them...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:08 PM

> Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Thanks for making your stand clear. That reminds me of one

> more

> such issue where the astrologers are divided. It is about

> reading aspects in varga charts. Some are of the firm opinion

> that aspects should be seen only in Rasi charts as aspects are

> manifestation of physical positions of the planets. And,

> conversely, it is incorrect to consider aspects in the varga

> charts.

>

> Please give your opinion on this subject.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

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August 30, 2007

Dear Krishna,

I thought I might pass on a passage from James Braha's book " Ancient Hindu

Astrology... " (bearing in mind that this book is a compilation of notes

taken in discussion with such eminent astrologers as R. Santhanam etc.)

Quote:

**One must bear in mind, however, that the navamsha is not an actual

horoscope but a calculated one based on the original (janma kundali).

Therefore aspects and conjunctions in this chart should never be used,

despite the fact that some astrologers attempt to do so. Also, planets are

positioned in signs in the navamsha (not bhavas) and there are no degrees

for them.**

This, in fact, was my original teaching which I adhered to. However, with so

many contemporary astrologers promoting another view, one begins to

question...??

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:20 PM

Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Wendy,

A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written on the

interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like this

is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects in

varga charts in the entire BPHS.

There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought back to

Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should be

seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And, the

aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

eventually there was no conclusion reached.

At the same time, we have seen that many great contemporary

Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing is the

lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS (except

for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

What is the truth? Only time will tell.

Regards,

Krishna

August 31, 2007

Dear Wendy,

Thanks for clarifying your stand.

//However, with so many contemporary astrologers promoting

another view, one begins to question...? ?//

Me too in the same frame of mind. I wonder this can be somehow

explained using proper harmonic theory.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishna,

>

> I thought I might pass on a passage from James Braha's book

> " Ancient Hindu

> Astrology... " (bearing in mind that this book is a compilation

> of notes

> taken in discussion with such eminent astrologers as R.

> Santhanam etc.)

>

> Quote:

> **One must bear in mind, however, that the navamsha is not an

> actual

> horoscope but a calculated one based on the original (janma

> kundali).

> Therefore aspects and conjunctions in this chart should never

> be used,

> despite the fact that some astrologers attempt to do so. Also,

> planets are

> positioned in signs in the navamsha (not bhavas) and there are

> no degrees

> for them.**

>

> This, in fact, was my original teaching which I adhered to.

> However, with so

> many contemporary astrologers promoting another view, one

> begins to

> question...??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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> <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:20 PM

> Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written on

> the

> interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like this

> is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects in

> varga charts in the entire BPHS.

>

> There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

> suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought back

> to

> Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should be

> seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And, the

> aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

>

> Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

> eventually there was no conclusion reached.

>

> At the same time, we have seen that many great contemporary

> Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing is

> the

> lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS (except

> for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

>

> What is the truth? Only time will tell.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

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August 31, 2007

Dear Paresh,

Many thanks for your contribution!

With so many controversial topics within the jyotish community, it's

comforting to find some agreement (on one topic, at least).

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Friday, August 31, 2007 2:42 PM

Re: Vargottama: traditional view

dear wendy,

this is my first mail to the group.

i totally agree with the text in your mail.navmas chart shows only

strength of planets.it is calculated from the original position of

planets.

paresh vaidya

August 31, 2007

Dear Krishnaji,

Regardless of the kilometres of email exchanges

taken place on another forum regarding this subject,

there is no substantial argument or authentic proof,

to suggest the actual truth which should be.

Personally I think there can be no aspects or

glances bewteen imaginary positions, they can

only be on degreecal longitudes,and so do the

contemporary astrologers say and write in their

translations, yet at the same time, in their

illustrations we find them making

extensive use of aspects in divisional charts.

What should one make out of this ? Contrary

writing and contrarian actions ? Irony !!!

I feel there is more to it, than meets the

eye. Those who do postmartems on dead bodies,

ie, who astrologically connect the chart with

known persons, and known events, of the past,

make use of such aspects to accentuate their

observations, but if one asks them, to

predict the future ,for any event,

using the aspects in D Charts,they would be found

glancing sideways,with nothing to produce.

I can prove that many personalities, like

BV Raman, Santhanam and also KN Rao, have mentioned

that that there can be no aspects in D Charts, but

at the same time, i find them using these, in

postmartems of Notable personalities.

I am utterly disillusioned on this point but

I do not allow my mind to be clouded to the other

truths available in astrology which are crystal clear,

and the great literautre written by these

great men on the various topics on astrology ,

cannot be entirely ignored..

So I let be it, as it is..........

regards,

bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> Thanks for clarifying your stand.

>

> //However, with so many contemporary astrologers promoting

> another view, one begins to question...? ?//

>

> Me too in the same frame of mind. I wonder this can be somehow

> explained using proper harmonic theory.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > I thought I might pass on a passage from James Braha's book

> > " Ancient Hindu

> > Astrology... " (bearing in mind that this book is a compilation

> > of notes

> > taken in discussion with such eminent astrologers as R.

> > Santhanam etc.)

> >

> > Quote:

> > **One must bear in mind, however, that the navamsha is not an

> > actual

> > horoscope but a calculated one based on the original (janma

> > kundali).

> > Therefore aspects and conjunctions in this chart should never

> > be used,

> > despite the fact that some astrologers attempt to do so. Also,

> > planets are

> > positioned in signs in the navamsha (not bhavas) and there are

> > no degrees

> > for them.**

> >

> > This, in fact, was my original teaching which I adhered to.

> > However, with so

> > many contemporary astrologers promoting another view, one

> > begins to

> > question...??

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > jyotish-vidya

> > ___

> >

> > -

> > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:20 PM

> > Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional view

> >

> > Dear Wendy,

> >

> > A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written on

> > the

> > interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like this

> > is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects in

> > varga charts in the entire BPHS.

> >

> > There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

> > suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought back

> > to

> > Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should be

> > seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And, the

> > aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

> >

> > Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

> > eventually there was no conclusion reached.

> >

> > At the same time, we have seen that many great contemporary

> > Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing is

> > the

> > lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS (except

> > for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

> >

> > What is the truth? Only time will tell.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

>

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August 31, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Thanks for painting the realistic picture. I am sure we are

going to get answers for all these controversies one day.

Regards,

Krishna

--- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Dear Krishnaji,

>

> Regardless of the kilometres of email exchanges

> taken place on another forum regarding this subject,

> there is no substantial argument or authentic proof,

> to suggest the actual truth which should be.

>

> Personally I think there can be no aspects or

> glances bewteen imaginary positions, they can

> only be on degreecal longitudes,and so do the

> contemporary astrologers say and write in their

> translations, yet at the same time, in their

> illustrations we find them making

> extensive use of aspects in divisional charts.

> What should one make out of this ? Contrary

> writing and contrarian actions ? Irony !!!

>

> I feel there is more to it, than meets the

> eye. Those who do postmartems on dead bodies,

> ie, who astrologically connect the chart with

> known persons, and known events, of the past,

> make use of such aspects to accentuate their

> observations, but if one asks them, to

> predict the future ,for any event,

> using the aspects in D Charts,they would be found

> glancing sideways,with nothing to produce.

>

> I can prove that many personalities, like

> BV Raman, Santhanam and also KN Rao, have mentioned

> that that there can be no aspects in D Charts, but

> at the same time, i find them using these, in

> postmartems of Notable personalities.

>

> I am utterly disillusioned on this point but

> I do not allow my mind to be clouded to the other

> truths available in astrology which are crystal clear,

> and the great literautre written by these

> great men on the various topics on astrology ,

> cannot be entirely ignored..

>

> So I let be it, as it is..........

>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Wendy,

> >

> > Thanks for clarifying your stand.

> >

> > //However, with so many contemporary astrologers promoting

> > another view, one begins to question...? ?//

> >

> > Me too in the same frame of mind. I wonder this can be

> somehow

> > explained using proper harmonic theory.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Krishna,

> > >

> > > I thought I might pass on a passage from James Braha's

> book

> > > " Ancient Hindu

> > > Astrology... " (bearing in mind that this book is a

> compilation

> > > of notes

> > > taken in discussion with such eminent astrologers as R.

> > > Santhanam etc.)

> > >

> > > Quote:

> > > **One must bear in mind, however, that the navamsha is not

> an

> > > actual

> > > horoscope but a calculated one based on the original

> (janma

> > > kundali).

> > > Therefore aspects and conjunctions in this chart should

> never

> > > be used,

> > > despite the fact that some astrologers attempt to do so.

> Also,

> > > planets are

> > > positioned in signs in the navamsha (not bhavas) and there

> are

> > > no degrees

> > > for them.**

> > >

> > > This, in fact, was my original teaching which I adhered

> to.

> > > However, with so

> > > many contemporary astrologers promoting another view, one

> > > begins to

> > > question...??

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > jyotish-vidya

> > > ___

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998

> > > <jyotish-vidya >

> > > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:20 PM

> > > Re: Re: Vargottama: traditional

> view

> > >

> > > Dear Wendy,

> > >

> > > A few weeks back, miles and miles of e-mails were written

> on

> > > the

> > > interpetation of this shloka in another group. Looks like

> this

> > > is the only shloka where there is a reference to aspects

> in

> > > varga charts in the entire BPHS.

> > >

> > > There was one group arguing that the meaning of the shloka

> > > suggests that the the lagnas in vargas should be brought

> back

> > > to

> > > Rasi chart (Rasi tulya varga?) and then the aspects should

> be

> > > seen using the planetary positions in the Rasi chart. And,

> the

> > > aspects should not be seen in the varga chart directly.

> > >

> > > Both 'for' and 'against' groups stuck to their guns and

> > > eventually there was no conclusion reached.

> > >

> > > At the same time, we have seen that many great

> contemporary

> > > Astrologers do use aspects in vargas. What is intriguing

> is

> > > the

> > > lack of reference to reading aspects in vargas in BPHS

> (except

> > > for just the shloka that you have pointed out).

> > >

> > > What is the truth? Only time will tell.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> >

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dear wendy,

further i would like to writ something more on this topic

this is from the article of Kundalika Shastri.

( with due respect to her & her article i am mentioning some points here )

Why is the Navamsa so important? Well, the 9th house in any horoscope

is considered the most auspicious house, its lord is considered the

greatest benefic to a chart. The 9th is the house of fortune, of luck,

and of Dharma. A strong 9th house can often go a long way in

countering the other malefic aspects in a horoscope. The house whose

lord is placed in 9th house usually prospers. The Navamsa is therefore

the " fortune " chart. It can make or break your luck. A strong Rasi

chart has to be backed by a strong Navamsa, or it may not live up to

its potential. The Rasi chart is like a radio. A strong Navamsa is

like a strong signal, which ensures that you hear your favourite

station. A weak Navamsa is like a weak signal, even if your radio is

of excellent make, you can't hear anything!

paresh vaidya

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Paresh,

>

> Many thanks for your contribution!

>

> With so many controversial topics within the jyotish community, it's

> comforting to find some agreement (on one topic, at least).

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " paresh.vaidya " <paresh.vaidya

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, August 31, 2007 2:42 PM

> Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> dear wendy,

> this is my first mail to the group.

> i totally agree with the text in your mail.navmas chart shows only

> strength of planets.it is calculated from the original position of

> planets.

>

> paresh vaidya

>

August 31, 2007

Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

Can you kindly enlighten me where KN Rao has mentioned that there can

be no aspects in D Charts please?

Yours sincerely,

Swamy.

PS: Anatomy is to be taught and is being taught to medical students

only through postmartems not on living humans.

> I can prove that many personalities, like

> BV Raman, Santhanam and also KN Rao, have mentioned

> that that there can be no aspects in D Charts, but

> at the same time, i find them using these, in

> postmartems of Notable personalities.

>

>>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

August 31, 2007

Dear Mr. Muthu,

1) I am sorry, I am already through all this. Do

not wish to go again in this ruck. I will not

voluntarily spend my time searching for what you

have asked me, but the day it comes in front

of me, I will surely relate you. This proving

business I have done a lot on the other

Forums too, but nothing comes out eventually,even

after the Context is cited with the Page number of

the Book.

2) We do not have to pick statements from ones mail.

But the essence has to be understood.

3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

all again start teaching ? And doing postmartems ?

Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

do future predicting and show case the proof

of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

enable one to mantain faith in same.

I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

serve any purpose..

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

<muthukumaraswamydesigar wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

>

> Can you kindly enlighten me where KN Rao has mentioned that there can

> be no aspects in D Charts please?

>

> Yours sincerely,

> Swamy.

>

> PS: Anatomy is to be taught and is being taught to medical students

> only through postmartems not on living humans.

>

> > I can prove that many personalities, like

> > BV Raman, Santhanam and also KN Rao, have mentioned

> > that that there can be no aspects in D Charts, but

> > at the same time, i find them using these, in

> > postmartems of Notable personalities.

> >

> >>

> > regards,

> > bhaskar.

> >

>

August 31, 2007

Dear Bhaskar,

Thank you. I thought you have some personal association with those

gentlemen you have mentioned in your message as the way you spoke so

authoritatively about them.

I have wasted my time.

Yours sincerely

Swamy.

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Muthu,

>

> 1) I am sorry, I am already through all this. Do

> not wish to go again in this ruck. I will not

> voluntarily spend my time searching for what you

> have asked me, but the day it comes in front

> of me, I will surely relate you. This proving

> business I have done a lot on the other

> Forums too, but nothing comes out eventually,even

> after the Context is cited with the Page number of

> the Book.

>

> 2) We do not have to pick statements from ones mail.

> But the essence has to be understood.

>

> 3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

> all again start teaching ? And doing postmartems ?

> Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

> have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

> astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

> it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

> do future predicting and show case the proof

> of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

> enable one to mantain faith in same.

>

> I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

> serve any purpose..

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya , " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

> <muthukumaraswamydesigar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhaskar,

> >

> > Can you kindly enlighten me where KN Rao has mentioned that there

can

> > be no aspects in D Charts please?

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> > Swamy.

> >

> > PS: Anatomy is to be taught and is being taught to medical

students

> > only through postmartems not on living humans.

> >

> > > I can prove that many personalities, like

> > > BV Raman, Santhanam and also KN Rao, have mentioned

> > > that that there can be no aspects in D Charts, but

> > > at the same time, i find them using these, in

> > > postmartems of Notable personalities.

> > >

> > >>

> > > regards,

> > > bhaskar.

> > >

> >

>

September 1, 2007

Dear Bhaskar,

///I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

serve any purpose..///

It's wrong to nip a healthy discussion in the bud as soon as it begins.

This, after all IS a discussion forum where, hopefully, we might reach a

consensus through presenting our thoughts on various topics. If a consensus

is not reached, that's okay; at least we might have been given some food for

thought.

///3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

all again start teaching ? And doing postmortems ?

Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

do future predicting and show case the proof

of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

enable one to mantain faith in same.///

Medical students learn through post mortems, textbooks, lectures and

discussions. Then, when qualified to do so, they open a clinic and put into

practice what they have learnt. It's good to remember that Jyotish-Vidya is

a discussion forum serving those interested in increasing their

understanding of jyotish through healthy discussion. It is not the intention

of this group to offer a service (open a clinic) to the general public who

have no real interest in studying jyotish.

Astrologers who wish, and feel they're competent enough, to offer such a

service, should set up their own practice or participate in groups designed

specifically for this. Certainly members can put their charts forward for

discussion, however, they should demonstrate their desire to learn by

participating in the discussions.

I understand it can sometimes take a little while (after participating on

other groups) to adjust to the guidelines set out for this group. However,

I'm hopeful that, given time, members can make the adjustment. We're all

here to learn...myself included :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:38 PM

Re: Vargottama: traditional view

Dear Mr. Muthu,

1) I am sorry, I am already through all this. Do

not wish to go again in this ruck. I will not

voluntarily spend my time searching for what you

have asked me, but the day it comes in front

of me, I will surely relate you. This proving

business I have done a lot on the other

Forums too, but nothing comes out eventually,even

after the Context is cited with the Page number of

the Book.

2) We do not have to pick statements from ones mail.

But the essence has to be understood.

3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

all again start teaching ? And doing postmartems ?

Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

do future predicting and show case the proof

of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

enable one to mantain faith in same.

I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

serve any purpose..

regards,

Bhaskar.

September 1, 2007

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Thanks.I understand your point.

I just wished to avoid any heat,

if per chance it may crop on prolonged

discussions, that is why I offered

to close the thread, otherwise I

am on for healthy discussions.

I respect mr.Muthu and do not wish to

argue with him,or develop any ill will,

was the only reason,

to be honest.

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> ///I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

> serve any purpose..///

>

> It's wrong to nip a healthy discussion in the bud as soon as it begins.

> This, after all IS a discussion forum where, hopefully, we might

reach a

> consensus through presenting our thoughts on various topics. If a

consensus

> is not reached, that's okay; at least we might have been given some

food for

> thought.

>

> ///3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

> all again start teaching ? And doing postmortems ?

> Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

> have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

> astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

> it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

> do future predicting and show case the proof

> of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

> enable one to mantain faith in same.///

>

> Medical students learn through post mortems, textbooks, lectures and

> discussions. Then, when qualified to do so, they open a clinic and

put into

> practice what they have learnt. It's good to remember that

Jyotish-Vidya is

> a discussion forum serving those interested in increasing their

> understanding of jyotish through healthy discussion. It is not the

intention

> of this group to offer a service (open a clinic) to the general

public who

> have no real interest in studying jyotish.

>

> Astrologers who wish, and feel they're competent enough, to offer

such a

> service, should set up their own practice or participate in groups

designed

> specifically for this. Certainly members can put their charts

forward for

> discussion, however, they should demonstrate their desire to learn by

> participating in the discussions.

>

> I understand it can sometimes take a little while (after

participating on

> other groups) to adjust to the guidelines set out for this group.

However,

> I'm hopeful that, given time, members can make the adjustment. We're

all

> here to learn...myself included :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:38 PM

> Re: Vargottama: traditional view

>

> Dear Mr. Muthu,

>

> 1) I am sorry, I am already through all this. Do

> not wish to go again in this ruck. I will not

> voluntarily spend my time searching for what you

> have asked me, but the day it comes in front

> of me, I will surely relate you. This proving

> business I have done a lot on the other

> Forums too, but nothing comes out eventually,even

> after the Context is cited with the Page number of

> the Book.

>

> 2) We do not have to pick statements from ones mail.

> But the essence has to be understood.

>

> 3) Do all the medical students when become Doctors,

> all again start teaching ? And doing postmartems ?

> Do not some of them also become worthy of what they

> have learnt and also put it in practise ? Same way

> astrologers if all do only postmartems,all the time,

> it does not make any sense. We expect them also to

> do future predicting and show case the proof

> of the predictive skills, in the area taught, to

> enable one to mantain faith in same.

>

> I hope this thread is not continued as it would not

> serve any purpose..

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

September 1, 2007

Dear Paresh,

///A weak Navamsa is like a weak signal, even if your radio is

of excellent make, you can't hear anything!///

Perhaps I might offer my own experience of this.

In my case Jupiter is exalted in Rasi and fallen in Navamsha. Jupiter, along

with Rahu, occupies 7th house whilst their star lord gets exalted in 9th.

Although the promise of marriage and children did fructify during Jupiter

dasa, some negativity in regards to Jupiter's lordship of 12th (Rasi)

undoubtedly surfaced.

Rahu's bhukti (in Jupiter dasa) brought great change/fortune and was,

without doubt, the most exalted (blessed) period of my life...significations

of 12th/3rd flourished.

Both Rahu and Jupiter occupy Capricorn navamsha whilst lagnesh Saturn gets

exalted (in this chart).

Many have promoted the notion that yogas (aspects, conjunctions etc) apply

equally to navamsha as to Rasi and I too have gone along with this as

certainly it went a long way in explaining the excellent results during

JU/RA period.

No doubt the study/understanding of jyotish is an ongoing

exercise...spanning a lifetime, if not many :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy