What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

[Guest guest]

Jai ji

 

My interest in astrology started with some astrologer giving me predictions

about personal life which somehow my mind could not accept.

Out of curiosity I saw 2 more astrologers, but they again said some new things

which contradicted other astrologers.

 

Out of thirst and some fear I started learning astro myself around 5-6 years

back from borrowed books and internet.

Now I have atleast 20-25 books on astro which I bought over time.

 

I think anyone can learn basic astrology, but to able to be a master, or to be

able to visualize the person whose chart is being studied will take a lot of

time and devotion is needed.

 

The time spent studying charts and comparing with persons should slowly create

intuitive insights, where you can start to see the effects of planets in persons

Daily life, Friends, Resources, Mental Inclinations, Wealth, Health, Outlook,

Style, Communication etc.

The reverse also start to become apparent, deducing a persons chart from

observation of the person.

 

Hunger, Time and Effort is needed to master any field.

 

Apart from all this, a certain humility is the backdrop in being a good

astrologer.

 

Regards

-m-

 

 

 

 

jaidixit74 <jaidixit74

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, 6 July, 2008 10:10:58 AM

What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Jyotishis,

 

I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search for

a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was fortunate

enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji. I'm

indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest in

this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because one

Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO YOU

CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

 

I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

 

What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to learn

Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

 

Thanks,

Jai

 

Birth data:

Aug 2 1974

5:00 PM

Bangalore, India

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

All that's required is the desire to learn, and no-one should discourage

you from this. Especially as your current dasa lord Rahu's dispositor is

well-placed in 9th house...this is an excellent time for the study of

jyotish.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" jaidixit74 " <jaidixit74

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:40 PM

What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Jyotishis,

 

I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search for

a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was fortunate

enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji. I'm

indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest in

this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because one

Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO YOU

CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

 

I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

 

What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to learn

Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

 

 

Thanks,

Jai

 

Birth data:

Aug 2 1974

5:00 PM

Bangalore, India

[Guest guest]

Hello Jai,

 

If you are really interested in the Jyotishi, go for it.

 

It is the ATMANN (The Soul) that propels or (compels). AS a spiritual

development, I believe the vidhya can not be traded, But this is a different

age.

 

But you have already started or else you would not be here.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

 

jaidixit74

Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

jyotish-vidya

What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Jyotishis,

 

I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search for

a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was fortunate

enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji. I'm

indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest in

this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because one

Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO YOU

CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

 

I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

 

What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to learn

Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

 

Thanks,

Jai

 

Birth data:

Aug 2 1974

5:00 PM

Bangalore, India

 

 

[Guest guest]

Indicators to be a Jyotishi -

 

Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are the

key planets in the making of a good or bad

astrologer.

 

Ascendant and 9th house connected with Saturn

and Mars will make one a good astrologer.

Saturn and Moon in House 1,3,9 or 10 will give

desire to learn astrology.

Mercury forming good aspects with Moon will a

astrologer good intuition

and ability to word his predictions impressively.

Mercury and saturn forming good aspects

will willl make the astrologer methodical, analtyical

and reasoning abilty.

Moon in cancer will make a native a good astrologer.

One with Moon in satabisha Nakshatra can also learn

astrology.

 

Mercury in 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,11, and venus and mercury in

2nd and 3rd can make a person a good astrologer.

Gemini Lagna with Jupiter in 2nd or 2nd lord being

strong can also make an native a good astrologer.

 

If Mercury is in lagna or 4 or 7 or 10th,or Lord of

2nd is exalted or if venus is in gemini or

Virgo or Sagittarius or in Exalted position , then too

the native will become an astrologer.

 

I have not taken the 5th and 8th houses in

consideration, and neither is this List exhaustive.

But one can use discretion , for

example if Jupiter in 8th and aspecting the 2nd

house which is its own sign, does make the 2nd

house strong. Or if Mars is in the 8th then

both houses viz the 2nd and the 8th become

strong for the Aries ascendant. thus one

may expand for the 5th house and

the 2nd house,or the 8th too.

 

The 2nd house/Lord strong gives Vaka patuta or

a speech ridden with truth - whatever a person speaks.

The Jupiter influencing the 5th house

is also a good indicator for a person to be a

astrologer. The 9th and the 12th houses active show

that the native would give consultations to all.

Why the 5th house is important for others to

benefit , is, because , it is the 11th house

of gains for the opposite person , judged from the

7th House. Thus if Jupiter is there in

my 5th House , those coming in touch with me,

would be able to gain from the tattva of Jupiter

in My Chart, which is also indicating astrology.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> jaidixit74

> Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

>

>

> Dear Jyotishis,

>

> I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

for

> a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

fortunate

> enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

Manasaji. I'm

> indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

interest in

> this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

because one

> Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom

I

> deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

YOU

> CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But

he

> also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

pictures " .

>

> I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

>

> What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

learn

> Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

>

> Thanks,

> Jai

>

> Birth data:

> Aug 2 1974

> 5:00 PM

> Bangalore, India

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Namaste.

 

Thank you once again for yet another detail systemic analysis for

ablity to become a jyotish..

 

According to your checklist, there is still hope for me in this field

of knowledge..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Indicators to be a Jyotishi -

>

> Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are the

> key planets in the making of a good or bad

> astrologer.

>

> Ascendant and 9th house connected with Saturn

> and Mars will make one a good astrologer.

> Saturn and Moon in House 1,3,9 or 10 will give

> desire to learn astrology.

> Mercury forming good aspects with Moon will a

> astrologer good intuition

> and ability to word his predictions impressively.

> Mercury and saturn forming good aspects

> will willl make the astrologer methodical, analtyical

> and reasoning abilty.

> Moon in cancer will make a native a good astrologer.

> One with Moon in satabisha Nakshatra can also learn

> astrology.

>

> Mercury in 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,11, and venus and mercury in

> 2nd and 3rd can make a person a good astrologer.

> Gemini Lagna with Jupiter in 2nd or 2nd lord being

> strong can also make an native a good astrologer.

>

> If Mercury is in lagna or 4 or 7 or 10th,or Lord of

> 2nd is exalted or if venus is in gemini or

> Virgo or Sagittarius or in Exalted position , then too

> the native will become an astrologer.

>

> I have not taken the 5th and 8th houses in

> consideration, and neither is this List exhaustive.

> But one can use discretion , for

> example if Jupiter in 8th and aspecting the 2nd

> house which is its own sign, does make the 2nd

> house strong. Or if Mars is in the 8th then

> both houses viz the 2nd and the 8th become

> strong for the Aries ascendant. thus one

> may expand for the 5th house and

> the 2nd house,or the 8th too.

>

> The 2nd house/Lord strong gives Vaka patuta or

> a speech ridden with truth - whatever a person speaks.

> The Jupiter influencing the 5th house

> is also a good indicator for a person to be a

> astrologer. The 9th and the 12th houses active show

> that the native would give consultations to all.

> Why the 5th house is important for others to

> benefit , is, because , it is the 11th house

> of gains for the opposite person , judged from the

> 7th House. Thus if Jupiter is there in

> my 5th House , those coming in touch with me,

> would be able to gain from the tattva of Jupiter

> in My Chart, which is also indicating astrology.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> > jaidixit74

> > Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

> > jyotish-vidya

> > What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

> >

> >

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

search

> for

> > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> fortunate

> > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

> Manasaji. I'm

> > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

> interest in

> > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

> because one

> > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )

whom

> I

> > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart

NO

> YOU

> > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!.

But

> he

> > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

> pictures " .

> >

> > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> >

> > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> learn

> > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jai

> >

> > Birth data:

> > Aug 2 1974

> > 5:00 PM

> > Bangalore, India

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HaHa.

 

Namaste Sheevaniji. So this mail of mines gives

hope to at least 1 person, shows my time was

well spent.

In any case No jyotishi is perfect and Jyotish

is never to be taken fatalistically. I would not

wait to see any spiritual combinations in my

chart, but move ahead if I wish to be

spiritual. Who knows tomorrow when

I meet God, he may say that your birth was few

seconds before than your recorded time, and

that makes your chart very much spiritual. So

its good that you did not wait to see spiritual

combinations in Your chart, but kept moving

ahead.

Sheevaniji for me it has always been-

1) faith in oneself, ones Karma.

2) faith in God I worship.

3) faith in Jyotish ( Astrology ).

 

In that order.

 

regards,

bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Thank you once again for yet another detail systemic analysis for

> ablity to become a jyotish..

>

> According to your checklist, there is still hope for me in this

field

> of knowledge..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Indicators to be a Jyotishi -

> >

> > Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are the

> > key planets in the making of a good or bad

> > astrologer.

> >

> > Ascendant and 9th house connected with Saturn

> > and Mars will make one a good astrologer.

> > Saturn and Moon in House 1,3,9 or 10 will give

> > desire to learn astrology.

> > Mercury forming good aspects with Moon will a

> > astrologer good intuition

> > and ability to word his predictions impressively.

> > Mercury and saturn forming good aspects

> > will willl make the astrologer methodical, analtyical

> > and reasoning abilty.

> > Moon in cancer will make a native a good astrologer.

> > One with Moon in satabisha Nakshatra can also learn

> > astrology.

> >

> > Mercury in 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,11, and venus and mercury in

> > 2nd and 3rd can make a person a good astrologer.

> > Gemini Lagna with Jupiter in 2nd or 2nd lord being

> > strong can also make an native a good astrologer.

> >

> > If Mercury is in lagna or 4 or 7 or 10th,or Lord of

> > 2nd is exalted or if venus is in gemini or

> > Virgo or Sagittarius or in Exalted position , then too

> > the native will become an astrologer.

> >

> > I have not taken the 5th and 8th houses in

> > consideration, and neither is this List exhaustive.

> > But one can use discretion , for

> > example if Jupiter in 8th and aspecting the 2nd

> > house which is its own sign, does make the 2nd

> > house strong. Or if Mars is in the 8th then

> > both houses viz the 2nd and the 8th become

> > strong for the Aries ascendant. thus one

> > may expand for the 5th house and

> > the 2nd house,or the 8th too.

> >

> > The 2nd house/Lord strong gives Vaka patuta or

> > a speech ridden with truth - whatever a person speaks.

> > The Jupiter influencing the 5th house

> > is also a good indicator for a person to be a

> > astrologer. The 9th and the 12th houses active show

> > that the native would give consultations to all.

> > Why the 5th house is important for others to

> > benefit , is, because , it is the 11th house

> > of gains for the opposite person , judged from the

> > 7th House. Thus if Jupiter is there in

> > my 5th House , those coming in touch with me,

> > would be able to gain from the tattva of Jupiter

> > in My Chart, which is also indicating astrology.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > jaidixit74

> > > Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

> > > jyotish-vidya

> > > What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotishis,

> > >

> > > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

> search

> > for

> > > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > fortunate

> > > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

> > Manasaji. I'm

> > > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

> > interest in

> > > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

> > because one

> > > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )

> whom

> > I

> > > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my

chart

> NO

> > YOU

> > > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!.

> But

> > he

> > > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

> > pictures " .

> > >

> > > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> > >

> > > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint

to

> > learn

> > > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Jai

> > >

> > > Birth data:

> > > Aug 2 1974

> > > 5:00 PM

> > > Bangalore, India

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

 

///Sheevaniji for me it has always been-

> 1) faith in oneself, ones Karma.

> 2) faith in God I worship.

> 3) faith in Jyotish ( Astrology )///.

 

 

Without faith, one is walking on thin ice..

 

One has to have faith in oneself and in God, only then one can move

forward in life,,, Without faith, we have nothing to 'hold-on to' in

this uncertain journey called life..

 

Also one can only give what we have,, if you have no faith in self,

how can u have faith in anything/anyone or humanity at large?

 

On spirituality, I think the very first step is being aware of

yourself, especially your own thoughts, slowly work towards removing

the negative thoughts by analysing why you think the way you do and

replace those thought processes with positive ones.. It generates

hope, peace of mind and contentment.. After all, whatever the mind

can conceive, it will manifest in your life sooner or later..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> HaHa.

>

> Namaste Sheevaniji. So this mail of mines gives

> hope to at least 1 person, shows my time was

> well spent.

> In any case No jyotishi is perfect and Jyotish

> is never to be taken fatalistically. I would not

> wait to see any spiritual combinations in my

> chart, but move ahead if I wish to be

> spiritual. Who knows tomorrow when

> I meet God, he may say that your birth was few

> seconds before than your recorded time, and

> that makes your chart very much spiritual. So

> its good that you did not wait to see spiritual

> combinations in Your chart, but kept moving

> ahead.

> Sheevaniji for me it has always been-

> 1) faith in oneself, ones Karma.

> 2) faith in God I worship.

> 3) faith in Jyotish ( Astrology ).

>

> In that order.

>

> regards,

> bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Thank you once again for yet another detail systemic analysis for

> > ablity to become a jyotish..

> >

> > According to your checklist, there is still hope for me in this

> field

> > of knowledge..

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Indicators to be a Jyotishi -

> > >

> > > Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are the

> > > key planets in the making of a good or bad

> > > astrologer.

> > >

> > > Ascendant and 9th house connected with Saturn

> > > and Mars will make one a good astrologer.

> > > Saturn and Moon in House 1,3,9 or 10 will give

> > > desire to learn astrology.

> > > Mercury forming good aspects with Moon will a

> > > astrologer good intuition

> > > and ability to word his predictions impressively.

> > > Mercury and saturn forming good aspects

> > > will willl make the astrologer methodical, analtyical

> > > and reasoning abilty.

> > > Moon in cancer will make a native a good astrologer.

> > > One with Moon in satabisha Nakshatra can also learn

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > > Mercury in 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,11, and venus and mercury in

> > > 2nd and 3rd can make a person a good astrologer.

> > > Gemini Lagna with Jupiter in 2nd or 2nd lord being

> > > strong can also make an native a good astrologer.

> > >

> > > If Mercury is in lagna or 4 or 7 or 10th,or Lord of

> > > 2nd is exalted or if venus is in gemini or

> > > Virgo or Sagittarius or in Exalted position , then too

> > > the native will become an astrologer.

> > >

> > > I have not taken the 5th and 8th houses in

> > > consideration, and neither is this List exhaustive.

> > > But one can use discretion , for

> > > example if Jupiter in 8th and aspecting the 2nd

> > > house which is its own sign, does make the 2nd

> > > house strong. Or if Mars is in the 8th then

> > > both houses viz the 2nd and the 8th become

> > > strong for the Aries ascendant. thus one

> > > may expand for the 5th house and

> > > the 2nd house,or the 8th too.

> > >

> > > The 2nd house/Lord strong gives Vaka patuta or

> > > a speech ridden with truth - whatever a person speaks.

> > > The Jupiter influencing the 5th house

> > > is also a good indicator for a person to be a

> > > astrologer. The 9th and the 12th houses active show

> > > that the native would give consultations to all.

> > > Why the 5th house is important for others to

> > > benefit , is, because , it is the 11th house

> > > of gains for the opposite person , judged from the

> > > 7th House. Thus if Jupiter is there in

> > > my 5th House , those coming in touch with me,

> > > would be able to gain from the tattva of Jupiter

> > > in My Chart, which is also indicating astrology.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > jaidixit74

> > > > Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

> > > > jyotish-vidya

> > > > What does it take to become a

> Jyotishi ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyotishis,

> > > >

> > > > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

> > search

> > > for

> > > > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I

was

> > > fortunate

> > > > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

> > > Manasaji. I'm

> > > > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

> > > interest in

> > > > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

> > > because one

> > > > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on

boloji.com )

> > whom

> > > I

> > > > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my

> chart

> > NO

> > > YOU

> > > > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME

WRONG!.

> > But

> > > he

> > > > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but

one

> > > > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

> > > pictures " .

> > > >

> > > > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an

an

> > > > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> > > >

> > > > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish

standpoint

> to

> > > learn

> > > > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Jai

> > > >

> > > > Birth data:

> > > > Aug 2 1974

> > > > 5:00 PM

> > > > Bangalore, India

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendiji,

 

That is true person has keen desire to learn but if there is no planetary favor

to person then what? Everyone on this earth wanna be millionaire but they can't

? So what u think about that.

 

Rick

 

 

RP

 

--- On Sun, 7/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, July 6, 2008, 2:14 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jai,

 

All that's required is the desire to learn, and no-one should discourage

you from this. Especially as your current dasa lord Rahu's dispositor is

well-placed in 9th house...this is an excellent time for the study of

jyotish.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

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" jaidixit74 " <jaidixit74 >

<jyotish-vidya>

Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:40 PM

What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

Dear Jyotishis,

 

I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search for

a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was fortunate

enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji. I'm

indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest in

this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because one

Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO YOU

CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

 

I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

 

What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to learn

Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

 

Thanks,

Jai

 

Birth data:

Aug 2 1974

5:00 PM

Bangalore, India

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bhaskarji and everyone for your response. I have come to the

right place as a seeker and a learner. I see Jyotish as a valuable tool

in realizing one's Karma and understanding one's intrinsic nature. It

provides an insight to the apparent randomness and anomalies we see in

our day-to-day lives.

 

Where does one start learning Jyotish especially where are so many

different schools, Ayanamshas, consideration of trans-saturnine planets

etc. ?

 

Regards,

Jai

 

jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

>

> ///Sheevaniji for me it has always been-

> > 1) faith in oneself, ones Karma.

> > 2) faith in God I worship.

> > 3) faith in Jyotish ( Astrology )///.

>

>

> Without faith, one is walking on thin ice..

>

> One has to have faith in oneself and in God, only then one can move

> forward in life,,, Without faith, we have nothing to 'hold-on to' in

> this uncertain journey called life..

>

> Also one can only give what we have,, if you have no faith in self,

> how can u have faith in anything/anyone or humanity at large?

>

> On spirituality, I think the very first step is being aware of

> yourself, especially your own thoughts, slowly work towards removing

> the negative thoughts by analysing why you think the way you do and

> replace those thought processes with positive ones.. It generates

> hope, peace of mind and contentment.. After all, whatever the mind

> can conceive, it will manifest in your life sooner or later..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

> wrote:

> >

> > HaHa.

> >

> > Namaste Sheevaniji. So this mail of mines gives

> > hope to at least 1 person, shows my time was

> > well spent.

> > In any case No jyotishi is perfect and Jyotish

> > is never to be taken fatalistically. I would not

> > wait to see any spiritual combinations in my

> > chart, but move ahead if I wish to be

> > spiritual. Who knows tomorrow when

> > I meet God, he may say that your birth was few

> > seconds before than your recorded time, and

> > that makes your chart very much spiritual. So

> > its good that you did not wait to see spiritual

> > combinations in Your chart, but kept moving

> > ahead.

> > Sheevaniji for me it has always been-

> > 1) faith in oneself, ones Karma.

> > 2) faith in God I worship.

> > 3) faith in Jyotish ( Astrology ).

> >

> > In that order.

> >

> > regards,

> > bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Thank you once again for yet another detail systemic analysis for

> > > ablity to become a jyotish..

> > >

> > > According to your checklist, there is still hope for me in this

> > field

> > > of knowledge..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Indicators to be a Jyotishi -

> > > >

> > > > Mercury, Saturn and Jupiter are the

> > > > key planets in the making of a good or bad

> > > > astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > Ascendant and 9th house connected with Saturn

> > > > and Mars will make one a good astrologer.

> > > > Saturn and Moon in House 1,3,9 or 10 will give

> > > > desire to learn astrology.

> > > > Mercury forming good aspects with Moon will a

> > > > astrologer good intuition

> > > > and ability to word his predictions impressively.

> > > > Mercury and saturn forming good aspects

> > > > will willl make the astrologer methodical, analtyical

> > > > and reasoning abilty.

> > > > Moon in cancer will make a native a good astrologer.

> > > > One with Moon in satabisha Nakshatra can also learn

> > > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Mercury in 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,11, and venus and mercury in

> > > > 2nd and 3rd can make a person a good astrologer.

> > > > Gemini Lagna with Jupiter in 2nd or 2nd lord being

> > > > strong can also make an native a good astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > If Mercury is in lagna or 4 or 7 or 10th,or Lord of

> > > > 2nd is exalted or if venus is in gemini or

> > > > Virgo or Sagittarius or in Exalted position , then too

> > > > the native will become an astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > I have not taken the 5th and 8th houses in

> > > > consideration, and neither is this List exhaustive.

> > > > But one can use discretion , for

> > > > example if Jupiter in 8th and aspecting the 2nd

> > > > house which is its own sign, does make the 2nd

> > > > house strong. Or if Mars is in the 8th then

> > > > both houses viz the 2nd and the 8th become

> > > > strong for the Aries ascendant. thus one

> > > > may expand for the 5th house and

> > > > the 2nd house,or the 8th too.

> > > >

> > > > The 2nd house/Lord strong gives Vaka patuta or

> > > > a speech ridden with truth - whatever a person speaks.

> > > > The Jupiter influencing the 5th house

> > > > is also a good indicator for a person to be a

> > > > astrologer. The 9th and the 12th houses active show

> > > > that the native would give consultations to all.

> > > > Why the 5th house is important for others to

> > > > benefit , is, because , it is the 11th house

> > > > of gains for the opposite person , judged from the

> > > > 7th House. Thus if Jupiter is there in

> > > > my 5th House , those coming in touch with me,

> > > > would be able to gain from the tattva of Jupiter

> > > > in My Chart, which is also indicating astrology.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jaidixit74

> > > > > Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:40 AM

> > > > > jyotish-vidya

> > > > > What does it take to become a

> > Jyotishi ?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotishis,

> > > > >

> > > > > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

> > > search

> > > > for

> > > > > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I

> was

> > > > fortunate

> > > > > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

> > > > Manasaji. I'm

> > > > > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

> > > > interest in

> > > > > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

> > > > because one

> > > > > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on

> boloji.com )

> > > whom

> > > > I

> > > > > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my

> > chart

> > > NO

> > > > YOU

> > > > > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME

> WRONG!.

> > > But

> > > > he

> > > > > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but

> one

> > > > > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

> > > > pictures " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an

> an

> > > > > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish

> standpoint

> > to

> > > > learn

> > > > > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Jai

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth data:

> > > > > Aug 2 1974

> > > > > 5:00 PM

> > > > > Bangalore, India

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rick,

 

Please note I pointed out to Jai that since the dispositor of his dasa

lord was well-placed in 9th, this would be a good time to study jyotish.

If the desire is there and the dasas are favourable, of course the native

will move in that direction.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:39 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Wendiji,

 

That is true person has keen desire to learn but if there is no planetary

favor to person then what? Everyone on this earth wanna be millionaire

but they can't ? So what u think about that.

 

Rick

 

 

RP

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

If I am permitted to write a line over here, Jai is enjoying the

dahsa of Ra/Mo/Mercury. The dasha of Mercury is the best to learn

astrology. My opinion is the dasha of 5th or the planets connected

to 5th are again good for learning or starting astrology. Rahu is in

the constellation of Mercury. Mercury receives the aspect of Moon

from the 2nd house. Rahu is in the 5th house of Navamsa. ). Saturn

the 2nd lord is transiting over his 5th lord on the 9th house. Hence

there is no surprise the gentleman expresses his wishes to learn

astrology. The dasha is quite favourable for learning astrology.

 

In my opinion, His Moon is strong, Shukla Paksha Poornima though she

is placed uncomfortably in the instant chart. (But earlier, one of

the members of the List commented his Moon is weak, I don't know why.

 

Unfortunately, Mercury is placed in 8th house from lagna with 9th

lord Sun in Cancer, a movable sign. One of the good yoga

combinations for Sagittarius is taking place in 8th. Moreover, Mars

the 5th lord is debilitated in Navamsa with Mercury in the 10th.

Mercury is the 9th lord in Navamsa. Hence, he has to put sincere

efforts to continue learning astrology.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Rick,

>

> Please note I pointed out to Jai that since the dispositor of his

dasa

> lord was well-placed in 9th, this would be a good time to study

jyotish.

> If the desire is there and the dasas are favourable, of course the

native

> will move in that direction.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

In an earlier mail Jai mentioned that a certain well-known astrologer

(RR) stated categorically that he could never become a jyotishi. However

I see the placements in his chart more as an indication that he may have

to dig a little deeper in order to progress. For some the journey can be

relatively effortless whilst for others the journey might be a bit more

uphill at times.

 

For my part both 9th karaka Jupiter and his star lord (9th lord Mercury)

smoothed the way for me... Guru appeared exactly when needed, the right

book or course appeared exactly when needed, solutions appeared exactly

when needed, I looked in exactly the right direction precisely when

needed etc, etc.. But the point I wish to make is that whether the

journey is smooth or difficult, it's a journey well, well, well worth

taking :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, July 07, 2008 1:02 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

If I am permitted to write a line over here, Jai is enjoying the

dahsa of Ra/Mo/Mercury. The dasha of Mercury is the best to learn

astrology. My opinion is the dasha of 5th or the planets connected

to 5th are again good for learning or starting astrology. Rahu is in

the constellation of Mercury. Mercury receives the aspect of Moon

from the 2nd house. Rahu is in the 5th house of Navamsa. ). Saturn

the 2nd lord is transiting over his 5th lord on the 9th house. Hence

there is no surprise the gentleman expresses his wishes to learn

astrology. The dasha is quite favourable for learning astrology.

 

In my opinion, His Moon is strong, Shukla Paksha Poornima though she

is placed uncomfortably in the instant chart. (But earlier, one of

the members of the List commented his Moon is weak, I don't know why.

 

Unfortunately, Mercury is placed in 8th house from lagna with 9th

lord Sun in Cancer, a movable sign. One of the good yoga

combinations for Sagittarius is taking place in 8th. Moreover, Mars

the 5th lord is debilitated in Navamsa with Mercury in the 10th.

Mercury is the 9th lord in Navamsa. Hence, he has to put sincere

efforts to continue learning astrology.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

>>>In an earlier mail Jai mentioned that a certain well-known

astrologer (RR) stated categorically that he could never become a

jyotishi.>>>

 

Becoming jyotishi is one thing and learning a subject is different.

Anyways.... it was his opinion....(RR).... ( I just read that mail.)

One should encourage a person who wants to put a step in the right

direction.

 

Yes. I agree with you. Some toils much... and gets rewarded

relatively less....except great souls... nobody lives beyond their

charts.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

=============================================================

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> However

> I see the placements in his chart more as an indication that he may

have

> to dig a little deeper in order to progress. For some the journey

can be

> relatively effortless whilst for others the journey might be a bit

more

> uphill at times.

>

> For my part both 9th karaka Jupiter and his star lord (9th lord

Mercury)

> smoothed the way for me... Guru appeared exactly when needed, the

right

> book or course appeared exactly when needed, solutions appeared

exactly

> when needed, I looked in exactly the right direction precisely when

> needed etc, etc.. But the point I wish to make is that whether the

> journey is smooth or difficult, it's a journey well, well, well

worth

> taking :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Here I too agree. Learning may be a part of

doing Karma or Action, which one

undertakes as per his wishes, just like

spending the day watching movies,

playing with children in the park,

doing nothing, or working, or drinking

a glass of juice or eating fruits

whatever, but this is the area of

the 10th house where lots of freewill

is allowed, I guess. Whether the ambitions

would be achieved due to this doing of karma

is a seperate matter ( Learning and

becoming a Jyotishi ) , but certainly God

and destiny does not interfere in area of

naveen Karma ( New actions ) uptil a good

level, unless it may tru to supercede, what

the destiny has set in store for the native,

in this birth.

 

karma and achievement is also seen

numerically through the SAV of the 10th and

11th house, and whenever the 11th has more

number than the 10th its a sure case of the

person being fortunate in matters of gains,

and specially if the difference is more

because this native would have gains without

pains , for instance I know a native with

30 points in the 10th and 45 in the 11th.

This man has earnt crores of rupees in

the share market, just doing 2-3 deals daily,

and the rest of the day he is free, and

even these 2-3 deals he does on the phone.

I know his real younger brother who has very less

difference in the 10th and the 11th, who is also

doing Share markets seperately

with a seperate broker, but has to sit 3-4

hours daily doing this work, and not

earning much like the elder brother, but just

mediocore earnings. Incidentally the elder

brother with more SAV in the 11th is also a very

highly diabetic and delicate chap, most

of the times he is on the bed and living life

luxuriously.

I find that in cases where people are big men

moneywise, their 6th house is strong

and so is their ill health. The 6th has everything

to do with money too as shows money received

from people you transact with ( 12th or expenditure

house for the opposite party represented by the 7th

which is its Lagna).

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani "

<ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> >>>In an earlier mail Jai mentioned that a certain well-known

> astrologer (RR) stated categorically that he could never become a

> jyotishi.>>>

>

> Becoming jyotishi is one thing and learning a subject is different.

> Anyways.... it was his opinion....(RR).... ( I just read that

mail.)

> One should encourage a person who wants to put a step in the right

> direction.

>

> Yes. I agree with you. Some toils much... and gets rewarded

> relatively less....except great souls... nobody lives beyond their

> charts.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> =============================================================

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

> <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ravindramani,

> >

> > However

> > I see the placements in his chart more as an indication that he

may

> have

> > to dig a little deeper in order to progress. For some the journey

> can be

> > relatively effortless whilst for others the journey might be a

bit

> more

> > uphill at times.

> >

> > For my part both 9th karaka Jupiter and his star lord (9th lord

> Mercury)

> > smoothed the way for me... Guru appeared exactly when needed, the

> right

> > book or course appeared exactly when needed, solutions appeared

> exactly

> > when needed, I looked in exactly the right direction precisely

when

> > needed etc, etc.. But the point I wish to make is that whether

the

> > journey is smooth or difficult, it's a journey well, well, well

> worth

> > taking :-)

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

 

I already examined his chart from AV. :-) In SAV, he has 32 points in

10th house and in 11th 28 points. Saturn transits in his 8th from

Moon.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

>>>karma and achievement is also seen numerically through the SAV of

the 10th and 11th house, and whenever the 11th has more number than

the 10th its a sure case of the person being fortunate in matters of

gains, and specially if the difference is more because this native

would have gains without pains>>>

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramaniji,

 

I am not aware about whose chart you are talking.

In Anycase The SAV is supposed to be a nutshell

of Life, i suppose. We cannot link it to any particular

event of Life.

 

The 10th strong also means a famous personality,a

person who attains recognition in his circles,

in his area or field of activity.

And its not necesary that when the 10th house

is strong, the 11th also must be. Because

in cases where the 10th is strong and not the 11th,

the native is happy and contented with his

profession, respected and known, but money wise

only middle level results would accrue.

While those with good 10th and also good 11th

would have both name and fame.

The 10th when strong isolated, spoils the effects

of the 11th , as 12th to the 11th show

expenditure house for the 11th,.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

would have

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani "

<ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> I already examined his chart from AV. :-) In SAV, he has 32 points

in

> 10th house and in 11th 28 points. Saturn transits in his 8th from

> Moon.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

>

> >>>karma and achievement is also seen numerically through the SAV

of

> the 10th and 11th house, and whenever the 11th has more number

than

> the 10th its a sure case of the person being fortunate in matters

of

> gains, and specially if the difference is more because this native

> would have gains without pains>>>

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

 

Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should (at

best) simply state a very strong probability.

 

Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the Sun

and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in the

8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is Cancer,

So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

 

The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a successful

one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in the

8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

 

Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde. Therefore

it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate is

being left up to his decisions and actions in his current incarnation.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

 

> Dear Jyotishis,

>

> I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

> for

> a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> fortunate

> enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji.

> I'm

> indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest

> in

> this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because

> one

> Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

> deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

> YOU

> CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

> also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

>

> I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

>

> What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> learn

> Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Jai

>

> Birth data:

> Aug 2 1974

> 5:00 PM

> Bangalore, India

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

 

I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of Siddhi

which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in. I'm still

familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for getting a

cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything without

putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

 

Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who has

written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has immense

respect for him and was very worried about me after going through his

analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different things in a

chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in divisions,

strengths etc.

 

Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and traits.

 

Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my side.But I'm

presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a desire

for correct knowledge.

 

 

Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in future

because of this

 

That is called bhandhak Yoga

12th lord aspects neech rahu

in 12th

 

8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life for him.

No marital compatability

he may undergo surgery in his ankles

he may get black scars in his facre

his legs are weak

hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

Overall his horoscope is not that strong

 

 

My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of stamina

)inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my Prakruthi!

 

But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is neech.

 

Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret for my

mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective issue.

 

Kind regards,

Jai

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

>

> Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

> probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should (at

> best) simply state a very strong probability.

>

> Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the Sun

> and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in the

> 8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is Cancer,

> So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

> receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

> 8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

> crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

> dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

> it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

> Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

> benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

>

> The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

> intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a successful

> one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in the

> 8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

> propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

>

> Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde. Therefore

> it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

> your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

> make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate is

> being left up to his decisions and actions in his current incarnation.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

>

> On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

>

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

> > for

> > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > fortunate

> > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji.

> > I'm

> > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest

> > in

> > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because

> > one

> > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom

I

> > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

> > YOU

> > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But

he

> > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

pictures " .

> >

> > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> >

> > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> > learn

> > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jai

> >

> > Birth data:

> > Aug 2 1974

> > 5:00 PM

> > Bangalore, India

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

I haven't looked at my chart in a long time - I thought I had Sun in

the 8th for some reason... duh! My sun is in the 7th (yikes) and Ketu

is instead in the 8th with Mercury and Venus in Leo.

 

I should dye my hair blonde, because i am quite absent minded! =)

 

I think astrology is probabilities even if you are " tri-kala-jna " even

Brigu himself must calculate probabilities. Because Jiva souls have

freewill. Destiny is not written in stone, it is fluid, like a river

moving in a somewhat predictable direction, but always able to change

it's course.

 

 

> I've found that different Jyotishis see different things in a

> chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

> divisions,

> strengths etc.

 

We all bring our biases to everything we preceive. " Atmavan manyate

jagat " . I agree. Some astrologers are better than others. And then

even amongst the best you have astrologers who see things differently

- again this is because the future is not fixed.

 

 

> Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and traits.

 

They are very helpful members of this forum.

 

> 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life for

> him.

 

Not sure about this Jai. Unless you are using " marital " in a very

broad sense. 2nd deals with the family, not specifically the spouse.

8th Lord in the second house, BTW is good for the 8th house, could you

figure out why?

 

> But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is neech.

 

Is this a question? If so, please rephrase it. Thanks.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai and others,

No doubt Astrology subject needs a methodical probe into Ascendant,Moon Sign and

SunSigns chart if one has to come up with meaningful predictions.progression of

the planets in shadvargas and the position of dasanath to encourage the native

and give results.

unfortunately the day to day information being provided through various TV

channels misguides in mundane affairs.

Jyotish certainly is having established and convincing base.Interested and

people ready to invest time and help society have lot to convincingly put issues

for understanding good and bad fortunes of the natives.

For that we need to learn sevral lessons from living modern astrologers like

Shri.K.N.Rao,S.N.kapoor and others devoted to the subject of jyotish.

Certainly reading analysis made out from the various charts and topics like

technical difficulties solved in AM would definetely promote interests and

encourage many to venture for making predictions.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, jaidixit74 <jaidixit74 wrote:

 

jaidixit74 <jaidixit74

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

jyotish-vidya

Monday, July 7, 2008, 6:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

 

I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of Siddhi

which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in. I'm still

familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for getting a

cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything without

putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

 

Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who has

written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has immense

respect for him and was very worried about me after going through his

analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different things in a

chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in divisions,

strengths etc.

 

Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and traits.

 

Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my side.But I'm

presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a desire

for correct knowledge.

 

Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in future

because of this

 

That is called bhandhak Yoga

12th lord aspects neech rahu

in 12th

 

8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life for him.

No marital compatability

he may undergo surgery in his ankles

he may get black scars in his facre

his legs are weak

hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

Overall his horoscope is not that strong

 

My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of stamina

)inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my Prakruthi!

 

But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is neech.

 

Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret for my

mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective issue.

 

Kind regards,

Jai

 

jyotish-vidya, Vic D <vicdicara@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

>

> Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

> probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should (at

> best) simply state a very strong probability.

>

> Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the Sun

> and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in the

> 8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is Cancer,

> So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

> receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

> 8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

> crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

> dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

> it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

> Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

> benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

>

> The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

> intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a successful

> one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in the

> 8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

> propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

>

> Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde. Therefore

> it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

> your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

> make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate is

> being left up to his decisions and actions in his current incarnation.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicast rologer.net

>

> On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

>

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

> > for

> > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > fortunate

> > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji.

> > I'm

> > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest

> > in

> > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because

> > one

> > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom

I

> > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

> > YOU

> > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But

he

> > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

pictures " .

> >

> > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> >

> > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> > learn

> > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jai

> >

> > Birth data:

> > Aug 2 1974

> > 5:00 PM

> > Bangalore, India

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

I have a suggestion to you. The astrologers who gave you prediction

are not members of this forum. They are not able to defend why they

came to a particular conclusion on your chart.

 

Getting a right answer needs a right question.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: RR is no way related to me. It is good you feel for a moment it

is unethical on your part to disclose them here.

 

===================================================================

 

jyotish-vidya , " jaidixit74 " <jaidixit74

wrote:

>

> Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

>

> I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

> probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of Siddhi

> which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in. I'm

still

> familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for

getting a

> cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

> From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything

without

> putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

>

> Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who has

> written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has immense

> respect for him and was very worried about me after going through

his

> analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different things

in a

> chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

divisions,

> strengths etc.

>

> Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and

traits.

>

> Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my

side.But I'm

> presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a

desire

> for correct knowledge.

>

>

> Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

> from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

> 12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in future

> because of this

>

> That is called bhandhak Yoga

> 12th lord aspects neech rahu

> in 12th

>

> 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life for

him.

> No marital compatability

> he may undergo surgery in his ankles

> he may get black scars in his facre

> his legs are weak

> hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

> Overall his horoscope is not that strong

>

>

> My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

> I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of

stamina

> )inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my

Prakruthi!

>

> But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is neech.

>

> Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret for

my

> mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective

issue.

>

> Kind regards,

> Jai

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicji,

 

You should be happy that Your Sun is in the

7th in Cancer. That gives you a Loving wife.

So the major problems in Life are over for

You, compared to many.

Mercury in 8th as the 6th lord causes

Vipareet Raj Yoga..

Ketu if between 13.20degrees to 26.40,

then its good for both professional Life ,

as well as spiritual meditations.

 

So alls not bad as you may think......

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> I haven't looked at my chart in a long time - I thought I had Sun

in

> the 8th for some reason... duh! My sun is in the 7th (yikes) and

Ketu

> is instead in the 8th with Mercury and Venus in Leo.

>

> I should dye my hair blonde, because i am quite absent minded! =)

>

> I think astrology is probabilities even if you are " tri-kala-jna "

even

> Brigu himself must calculate probabilities. Because Jiva souls

have

> freewill. Destiny is not written in stone, it is fluid, like a

river

> moving in a somewhat predictable direction, but always able to

change

> it's course.

>

>

> > I've found that different Jyotishis see different things in a

> > chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

> > divisions,

> > strengths etc.

>

> We all bring our biases to everything we preceive. " Atmavan

manyate

> jagat " . I agree. Some astrologers are better than others. And then

> even amongst the best you have astrologers who see things

differently

> - again this is because the future is not fixed.

>

>

> > Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and

traits.

>

> They are very helpful members of this forum.

>

> > 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life

for

> > him.

>

> Not sure about this Jai. Unless you are using " marital " in a very

> broad sense. 2nd deals with the family, not specifically the

spouse.

> 8th Lord in the second house, BTW is good for the 8th house, could

you

> figure out why?

>

> > But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is

neech.

>

> Is this a question? If so, please rephrase it. Thanks.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic

 

I may be saying the same thing you have said, but would like to put it like

this.

 

Retrograde effect may be to deny the fruits initially but later on in life the

person can many times over compensate for the same.

Like a Jupiter retrograde person may find knowledge and spirituality hard to

come by initially, or may not find it interesting to spend time on,

but at a later stage he could run much ahead of others and over-compensate for

the initial slack.

 

Same for houses which Jupiter® might be governing in someones chart.

If Jupiter Governs lagna also, then self expression (needed for astrology) may

not be strong in early years, but that would be a dominant focus inside persons

mind, and the person may over-compensate and eventually make it his strength.

 

Such a person should also focus on other significations of jupiter and 1st house

(not just spirituality or self expression) and it will be seen that by focusing

on all significations of jup and 1st house woudl simultaneously lead to

development of spirituality and self expression also.

 

It may be more easily put that what is retrograde is not an in-born strength or

a dormant strength for that person and has to be developed or focused on or made

to manifest externally.

 

======

 

Martin: So, retrograde planets are not stronger than forward-moving planets,

even though they are considered stronger in shad bala?

 

James: That's right. But I have to qualify my answer. A retrograde planet

has a certain kind of extra strength because when a planet is retrograde, it is

closer to the Earth. This

causes the energy or vibrations of the retrograde planet to be an underlying

prevalent force in the person's awareness and thinking process throughout his or

her

entire life. The statement that a retrograde planet is more powerful is

misleading, however, if you expect that planet to readily and

powerfully manifest its results in the outer world.

 

Martin: Then how does this underlying force of a retrograde planet affect a

person?

 

James: Well,

a person with a retrograde Venus, for example, spends his or her life

constantly analyzing, processing, and thinking about love matters. A

person with a retrograde Jupiter is continually approaching matters

from a philosophical and ideological context.

 

Martin: So, the planet is more powerful on an internal level?

 

James: Yes.

The energy of the retrograde planet is an intense force within the

person's consciousness and internal processes. It creates a distinct

psychological reality in the person.

On

the outer level, the manifest level, a retrograde planet is never

strong and active. It is neutral or passive. Of course, the planet has

the potential to produce powerful effects if, and this is one large if,

the person consciously decides to activate the energy of the planet.

I'll give you some examples. And later on, you can test what I am

teaching now. But don't do a test with only two or three charts. Use

fifteen or so.

Let's say a person has an unafflicted benefic, like Venus or Jupiter, in the 5th

house. You�re thinking, wow, this person is going to have wonderful children.

If the ruler of the 5th house is retrograde, however, having children is not a

foregone conclusion. It's not that the retrograde 5th house ruler has prevented

children or harmed the childbearing process, but that the 5th house energy is

latent. The 5th house energy must be consciously activated.

======

 

Regards

-m-

 

 

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Monday, 7 July, 2008 11:41:15 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Jai,

 

Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

 

Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should (at

best) simply state a very strong probability.

 

Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the Sun

and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in the

8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is Cancer,

So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

 

The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a successful

one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in the

8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

 

Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde. Therefore

it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate is

being left up to his decisions and actions in his current incarnation.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

 

> Dear Jyotishis,

>

> I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

> for

> a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> fortunate

> enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji.

> I'm

> indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest

> in

> this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because

> one

> Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

> deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

> YOU

> CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

> also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

>

> I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

>

> What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> learn

> Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Jai

>

> Birth data:

> Aug 2 1974

> 5:00 PM

> Bangalore, India

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic

 

I may be saying the same thing you have said, but would like to put it like

this.

 

Retrograde effect may be to deny the fruits initially but later on in life the

person can many times over compensate for the same.

Like a Jupiter retrograde person may find knowledge and spirituality hard to

come by initially, or may not find it interesting to spend time on,

but at a later stage he could run much ahead of others and over-compensate for

the initial slack.

 

Same for houses which Jupiter® might be governing in someones chart.

If Jupiter Governs lagna also, then self expression (needed for astrology) may

not be strong in early years, but that would be a dominant focus inside persons

mind, and the person may over-compensate and eventually make it his strength.

 

Such a person should also focus on other significations of jupiter and 1st house

(not just spirituality or self expression) and it will be seen that by focusing

on all significations of jup and 1st house woudl simultaneously lead to

development of spirituality and self expression also.

 

It may be more easily put that what is retrograde is not an in-born strength or

a dormant strength for that person and has to be developed or focused on or made

to manifest externally.

 

======

 

Martin: So, retrograde planets are not stronger than forward-moving planets,

even though they are considered stronger in shad bala?

 

James: That's right. But I have to qualify my answer. A retrograde planet

has a certain kind of extra strength because when a planet is retrograde, it is

closer to the Earth. This

causes the energy or vibrations of the retrograde planet to be an underlying

prevalent force in the person's awareness and thinking process throughout his or

her

entire life. The statement that a retrograde planet is more powerful is

misleading, however, if you expect that planet to readily and

powerfully manifest its results in the outer world.

 

Martin: Then how does this underlying force of a retrograde planet affect a

person?

 

James: Well,

a person with a retrograde Venus, for example, spends his or her life

constantly analyzing, processing, and thinking about love matters. A

person with a retrograde Jupiter is continually approaching matters

from a philosophical and ideological context.

 

Martin: So, the planet is more powerful on an internal level?

 

James: Yes.

The energy of the retrograde planet is an intense force within the

person's consciousness and internal processes. It creates a distinct

psychological reality in the person.

 

 

On

the outer level, the manifest level, a retrograde planet is never

strong and active. It is neutral or passive.

 

Of course, the planet has

the potential to produce powerful effects if, and this is one large if,

the person consciously decides to activate the energy of the planet.

 

 

I'll give you some examples. And later on, you can test what I am

teaching now. But don't do a test with only two or three charts. Use

fifteen or so.

Let's say a person has an unafflicted benefic, like Venus or Jupiter, in the 5th

house. You�re thinking, wow, this person is going to have wonderful children.

If the ruler of the 5th house is retrograde, however, having children is not a

foregone conclusion. It's not that the retrograde 5th house ruler has prevented

children or harmed the childbearing process, but that the 5th house energy is

latent. The 5th house energy must be consciously activated.

======

 

Regards

-m-

 

 

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Monday, 7 July, 2008 11:41:15 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Jai,

 

Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

 

Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should (at

best) simply state a very strong probability.

 

Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the Sun

and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in the

8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is Cancer,

So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

 

The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a successful

one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in the

8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

 

Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde. Therefore

it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate is

being left up to his decisions and actions in his current incarnation.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

 

> Dear Jyotishis,

>

> I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple search

> for

> a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> fortunate

> enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and Manasaji.

> I'm

> indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an interest

> in

> this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply because

> one

> Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )whom I

> deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart NO

> YOU

> CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!. But he

> also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent pictures " .

>

> I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

>

> What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> learn

> Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

>

>

> Thanks,

> Jai

>

> Birth data:

> Aug 2 1974

> 5:00 PM

> Bangalore, India

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Monica,

 

Would you guide us please

as to last week your id was originating

from Calcutta, and today its operating

from Maharashtra. Are you using softwares

for changing the IP addresses ? Or have

you made a journey to this part

of India.

 

The members who may be spending

their energies on replying to newcomers,

have a right to know about such intracasies

which put a question mark on authenticities.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , monica Astro

<monicaastro80 wrote:

>

> Dear Vic

>

> I may be saying the same thing you have said, but would like to put

it like this.

>

> Retrograde effect may be to deny the fruits initially but later on

in life the person can many times over compensate for the same.

> Like a Jupiter retrograde person may find knowledge and

spirituality hard to come by initially, or may not find it

interesting to spend time on,

> but at a later stage he could run much ahead of others and over-

compensate for the initial slack.

>

> Same for houses which Jupiter® might be governing in someones

chart.

> If Jupiter Governs lagna also, then self expression (needed for

astrology) may not be strong in early years, but that would be a

dominant focus inside persons mind, and the person may over-

compensate and eventually make it his strength.

>

> Such a person should also focus on other significations of jupiter

and 1st house (not just spirituality or self expression) and it will

be seen that by focusing on all significations of jup and 1st house

woudl simultaneously lead to development of spirituality and self

expression also.

>

> It may be more easily put that what is retrograde is not an in-born

strength or a dormant strength for that person and has to be

developed or focused on or made to manifest externally.

>

> ======

>

> Martin: So, retrograde planets are not stronger than forward-

moving planets, even though they are considered stronger in shad bala?

>

> James: That's right. But I have to qualify my answer. A

retrograde planet has a certain kind of extra strength because when a

planet is retrograde, it is closer to the Earth. This

> causes the energy or vibrations of the retrograde planet to be an

underlying prevalent force in the person's awareness and thinking

process throughout his or her

> entire life. The statement that a retrograde planet is more

powerful is

> misleading, however, if you expect that planet to readily and

> powerfully manifest its results in the outer world.

>

> Martin: Then how does this underlying force of a retrograde

planet affect a person?

>

> James: Well,

> a person with a retrograde Venus, for example, spends his or her

life

> constantly analyzing, processing, and thinking about love matters. A

> person with a retrograde Jupiter is continually approaching matters

> from a philosophical and ideological context.

>

> Martin: So, the planet is more powerful on an internal level?

>

> James: Yes.

> The energy of the retrograde planet is an intense force within the

> person's consciousness and internal processes. It creates a distinct

> psychological reality in the person.

>

>

> On

> the outer level, the manifest level, a retrograde planet is never

> strong and active. It is neutral or passive.

>

> Of course, the planet has

> the potential to produce powerful effects if, and this is one large

if,

> the person consciously decides to activate the energy of the

planet.

>

>

> I'll give you some examples. And later on, you can test what I am

> teaching now. But don't do a test with only two or three charts. Use

> fifteen or so.

> Let's say a person has an unafflicted benefic, like Venus or

Jupiter, in the 5th house. You�re thinking, wow, this person is

going to have wonderful children. If the ruler of the 5th house is

retrograde, however, having children is not a foregone conclusion.

It's not that the retrograde 5th house ruler has prevented children

or harmed the childbearing process, but that the 5th house energy is

latent. The 5th house energy must be consciously activated.

> ======

>

> Regards

> -m-

>

>

>

>

> Vic D <vicdicara

> jyotish-vidya

> Monday, 7 July, 2008 11:41:15 PM

> Re: What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

>

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

>

> Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

> probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should

(at

> best) simply state a very strong probability.

>

> Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the

Sun

> and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in

the

> 8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is

Cancer,

> So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

> receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

> 8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

> crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

> dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

> it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

> Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

> benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

>

> The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

> intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a

successful

> one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in

the

> 8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

> propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

>

> Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde.

Therefore

> it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

> your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

> make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate

is

> being left up to his decisions and actions in his current

incarnation.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicast rologer.net

>

> On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

>

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

search

> > for

> > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > fortunate

> > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

Manasaji.

> > I'm

> > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

interest

> > in

> > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

because

> > one

> > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )

whom I

> > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart

NO

> > YOU

> > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!.

But he

> > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

pictures " .

> >

> > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> >

> > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> > learn

> > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jai

> >

> > Birth data:

> > Aug 2 1974

> > 5:00 PM

> > Bangalore, India

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >