The experience of transcendence

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" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:45 PM

The experience of transcendence

Wendy ji,

I have been thinking a bit about what you said on Feb

13, namely:

///The experience of transcendence (beyond mind)

belongs to the moksha houses.///

Transcendence involves the body, the mind and the

soul. The body is the 1st house, the mind is the 5th,

and the soul can be seen, I believe, from the 9th.

Are the moksha houses associated with these in this

order? Does the 4th transcend the 1st, the 8th the

5th, and the 12th the 9th?

In other words, if I may take some examples from

http://www.jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm does belief

[4th] transcend the self [1st], does intuition [8th]

transcend knowledge [5th], and enlightenment [12th]

transcend religion [9th]?

Or am I reading this wrong?

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February 20, 2008

Manasa ji,

///With the practise of dharma/ religion (9th) one

achieves enlightenment( 12th); with the wisdom gained

from this (5th) one surpass intuitions and one's fears

(8th)and once all fear is lost we strongly gets

attached to Atman (1st) and then comes

transcendence.///

A wonderful way of putting it! I think that the moksha

houses and the trines complement each other.

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February 20, 2008

Wendy ji,

///But I will get back to this as soon as I can :-)///

Please do whenever you are free! :-) Also, maybe, you

could corelate what I and Manasa ji have said.

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February 24, 2008

Dear Balaji,

///Transcendence involves the body, the mind and the

soul. The body is the 1st house, the mind is the 5th,

and the soul can be seen, I believe, from the 9th.//

I think there's been some misunderstanding regarding the following

statement.

>The experience of transcendence (beyond mind)

belongs to the moksha houses.<

I was simply referring to the fact that deep meditation allows one to

(effortlessly) experience transcendence...the state of 'No Mind' (according

to Buddhism)...

Any leaning towards (and progress) in regards to moksha would, no doubt, be

reflected through the moksha houses...this is common-sense, don't you agree?

///does belief [4th] transcend the self [1st], does intuition [8th]

transcend knowledge [5th], and enlightenment [12th] transcend religion

[9th]?///

I would simply look to the moksha houses to determine how (or if) one might

be drawn towards pursuing moksha. If I'm not mistaken, there are three main

paths i.e;

Bhakti yoga = path of devotion (obviously seen from 4th)

Gnana yoga = path of discrimination/intuition (seen from 8th?)

Karma yoga = path of renunciation...detachment from fruits of action (seen

from 12th?)

Of course if lagna and/or lagna karaka is influenced by a moksha lord and/or

MokshaKaraka (Ketu) it would be fair to assume that native would, at least,

be drawn towards the pursuit of moksha in this lifetime...progress, of

course, depending on the strength of planets involved :-)

I welcome other's comments regarding the specific paths indicated by each

(moksha) bhava.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

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Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:45 PM

The experience of transcendence

Wendy ji,

I have been thinking a bit about what you said on Feb

13, namely:

///The experience of transcendence (beyond mind)

belongs to the moksha houses.///

Transcendence involves the body, the mind and the

soul. The body is the 1st house, the mind is the 5th,

and the soul can be seen, I believe, from the 9th.

Are the moksha houses associated with these in this

order? Does the 4th transcend the 1st, the 8th the

5th, and the 12th the 9th?

In other words, if I may take some examples from

http://www.jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm does belief

[4th] transcend the self [1st], does intuition [8th]

transcend knowledge [5th], and enlightenment [12th]

transcend religion [9th]?

Or am I reading this wrong?

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Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

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February 24, 2008

PS: It's said that Dhyana yoga (yoga of meditation) is the supreme path, and

the ultimate goal of all others...

See (http://jyotishvidya.com/gita6.htm)

Krishna concludes that the Yogi - one who has attained union with the

Supreme Lord - is superior to the ascetics, to the men of book knowledge and

the men of action, as the latter have not transcended ignorance and merged

in the Self...

18. When the perfectly controlled mind rests in the Self only, free from

longing for the objects of desire, then it is said: " He is united. "

19. As a lamp placed in a windless spot does not flicker-to such is compared

the Yogi of controlled mind, practising Yoga in the Self (or absorbed in the

Yoga of the Self).

20. When the mind, restrained by the practice of Yoga, attains to quietude,

and when, seeing the Self by the Self, he is satisfied in his own Self,

21. When he (the Yogi) feels that infinite bliss which can be grasped by the

(pure) intellect and which transcends the senses, and, established wherein

he never moves from the Reality,

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Dear Balaji,

///Transcendence involves the body, the mind and the

soul. The body is the 1st house, the mind is the 5th,

and the soul can be seen, I believe, from the 9th.//

I think there's been some misunderstanding regarding the following

statement.

>The experience of transcendence (beyond mind)

belongs to the moksha houses.<

I was simply referring to the fact that deep meditation allows one to

(effortlessly) experience transcendence...the state of 'No Mind' (according

to Buddhism)...

Any leaning towards (and progress) in regards to moksha would, no doubt, be

reflected through the moksha houses...this is common-sense, don't you agree?

///does belief [4th] transcend the self [1st], does intuition [8th]

transcend knowledge [5th], and enlightenment [12th] transcend religion

[9th]?///

I would simply look to the moksha houses to determine how (or if) one might

be drawn towards pursuing moksha. If I'm not mistaken, there are three main

paths i.e;

Bhakti yoga = path of devotion (obviously seen from 4th)

Gnana yoga = path of discrimination/intuition (seen from 8th?)

Karma yoga = path of renunciation...detachment from fruits of action (seen

from 12th?)

Of course if lagna and/or lagna karaka is influenced by a moksha lord and/or

MokshaKaraka (Ketu) it would be fair to assume that native would, at least,

be drawn towards the pursuit of moksha in this lifetime...progress, of

course, depending on the strength of planets involved :-)

I welcome other's comments regarding the specific paths indicated by each

(moksha) bhava.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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February 25, 2008

Wendy ji,

///I was simply referring to the fact that deep

meditation allows one to (effortlessly) experience

transcendence///

But, doesn't meditation come under the 5th house?

Thank you also for the comments from the Gita.

///Any leaning towards (and progress) in regards to

moksha would, no doubt, be reflected through the

moksha houses...this is common-sense, don't you

agree?///

Completely! Of course, association of the moksha

bhavas with the 5th/9th and their lords will

definitely prove helpful.

While I agree with your logic concerning Bhakti, Gnana

and Karma and the 4th, 8th and the 12th respectively,

I would like to offer another thought--when one

experiences loss [12th], one gets transformed [8th]

and experiences moksha [4th - end of undertakings].

Of course, this is just a thought! :-)

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February 25, 2008

Dear friend,

Let me try to put it to you in this way. I think, I was not able to

make you understand, what I wanted to convey. The first four houses

of a chart represent the basic quality of a man's attitude towards

Bakthi. The very ordinary man starts from " Bakthi " i.e. Bakthi

Yoga.

What is Bakthi? He starts the activity first by his gross body, the

first house. He goes to a temple, he fetches flowers from the

garden, cleans the sanctum sanctorum, he helps in preparation of food

offered to the deity, and starts do all kind of errand etc. etc. He

speaks of the attributes of deity of his choice, he sings; he praises

the deity by way " stotras " , the second house. Then the third house

comes into play of communication with others about the choice of his

deity. He hears the stories, purnas etc. At this stage, he even

starts writing about his deity and even start preaching to others.

Then the fourth house comes into play, the culmination of Bakthi. He

fully immersed himself mentally in Bakthi. He attains the so called

Moksha.

The second category of persons with the help of his Purva punya,

starts his " Sadhana " from where he left. He may start his activity

straight from the 5th house of chanting " Mantras " and " Mantra

Siddhi " . It goes on and so on with other houses. Hence you see this

branch, from 5th house to 8th house, the Gyan Yoga.

Likewise the next branch starts from 9th house to 12th house, the

Karma Yoga. A person becomes a Teacher or Guru from 9th and does all

his karmas with out attaching himself to the fruits of his Karmas and

renunciates everything in 12th.

It is a way to judge the houses in relation to spiritual attitude of

a person. Everybody reaches Him. The ways may be different.

Regads, C.S. Ravindramani.

February 25, 2008

Dear Sri Ravindramani,

Beautifully explained! i felt very nice after reading your this post..

Thank you for sharing..

With regards

Chan

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani "

<ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Let me try to put it to you in this way. I think, I was not able

to

> make you understand, what I wanted to convey. The first four

houses

> of a chart represent the basic quality of a man's attitude towards

> Bakthi. The very ordinary man starts from " Bakthi " i.e. Bakthi

> Yoga.

>

> What is Bakthi? He starts the activity first by his gross body, the

> first house. He goes to a temple, he fetches flowers from the

> garden, cleans the sanctum sanctorum, he helps in preparation of

food

> offered to the deity, and starts do all kind of errand etc. etc.

He

> speaks of the attributes of deity of his choice, he sings; he

praises

> the deity by way " stotras " , the second house. Then the third

house

> comes into play of communication with others about the choice of

his

> deity. He hears the stories, purnas etc. At this stage, he even

> starts writing about his deity and even start preaching to others.

>

> Then the fourth house comes into play, the culmination of Bakthi.

He

> fully immersed himself mentally in Bakthi. He attains the so

called

> Moksha.

>

> The second category of persons with the help of his Purva punya,

> starts his " Sadhana " from where he left. He may start his activity

> straight from the 5th house of chanting " Mantras " and " Mantra

> Siddhi " . It goes on and so on with other houses. Hence you see

this

> branch, from 5th house to 8th house, the Gyan Yoga.

>

> Likewise the next branch starts from 9th house to 12th house, the

> Karma Yoga. A person becomes a Teacher or Guru from 9th and does

all

> his karmas with out attaching himself to the fruits of his Karmas

and

> renunciates everything in 12th.

>

> It is a way to judge the houses in relation to spiritual attitude

of

> a person. Everybody reaches Him. The ways may be different.

>

> Regads, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

February 25, 2008

Dear Balaji,

///But, doesn't meditation come under the 5th house?///

Actually each of the trikonas/dharmasthanas are linked (in their own way) to

meditation.

An important point to note in respect to earlier comment...

>>It's said that Dhyana yoga (yoga of meditation) is the supreme path, and

>>the ultimate goal of all others...<<

.... no surprise then that the moksha bhavas are 12th from the trikonas.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Monday, February 25, 2008 6:36 PM

Re: The experience of transcendence

Wendy ji,

///I was simply referring to the fact that deep

meditation allows one to (effortlessly) experience

transcendence///

But, doesn't meditation come under the 5th house?

Thank you also for the comments from the Gita.

///Any leaning towards (and progress) in regards to

moksha would, no doubt, be reflected through the

moksha houses...this is common-sense, don't you

agree?///

Completely! Of course, association of the moksha

bhavas with the 5th/9th and their lords will

definitely prove helpful.

While I agree with your logic concerning Bhakti, Gnana

and Karma and the 4th, 8th and the 12th respectively,

I would like to offer another thought--when one

experiences loss [12th], one gets transformed [8th]

and experiences moksha [4th - end of undertakings].

Of course, this is just a thought! :-)

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor