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Dear Manasa,

 

The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! "

It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " ,

meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice

versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish.

 

When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and

we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn

us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see

it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to

get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

 

Manas

-

m2sangeeth

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM

A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Group,

 

There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens

for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just

came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its

significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets

influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains

moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in

other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results

and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated

it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how

one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?

 

rgds,

manasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beautiful words...:-)

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

jyotishi <jyotishi wrote:

Dear Manasa,

 

The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! "

It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " ,

meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice

versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish.

 

When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and

we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn

us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see

it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to

get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

 

Manas

-

m2sangeeth

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM

A blessing in disguise

 

Dear Group,

 

There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens

for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just

came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its

significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets

influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains

moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in

other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results

and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated

it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how

one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?

 

rgds,

manasa

 

 

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Dear Manas,

 

Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years,

it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one

truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender

to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if

they're fortunate.

 

This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

psychological etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Manasa,

 

The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! "

It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " ,

meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than

vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of

jyotish.

 

When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression

and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism

(to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we

begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does

not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

 

Manas

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Dear Manasa,

 

///Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in

other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results

and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated

it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how

one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?///

 

This is a legitimate question which does deserve a legitimate response.

Let's see first what other members might be able to contribute before I

comment :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, January 18, 2008 9:45 AM

A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Group,

 

There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens

for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just

came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its

significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets

influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains

moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in

other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results

and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated

it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how

one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?

 

rgds,

manasa

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Dear Manas,

 

//When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and

aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a

protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the

destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend,

as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get

in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!//

 

I agree with your above statement which is quite true. But this i

feel you are talking from Philosophical view/approach.

 

If everybody understands and follows as you mentioned, then in my

opinion we do not need Astrology...

 

Manasa has asked from Astrolological angle

 

//I just came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house

and its significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets

influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains

moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in

other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results

and malefic results.//

 

My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in

9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with

troublesome marriage!!!

 

Regards

 

Chann

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi

wrote:

>

> Dear Manasa,

>

> The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a

purpose! "

> It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself

to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

> For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and

birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the

infrastructure of jyotish.

>

> When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and

aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a

protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the

destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend,

as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get

in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

>

> Manas

> -

> m2sangeeth

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM

> A blessing in disguise

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life,

happens

> for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I

just

> came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and

its

> significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets

> influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and

attains

> moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or

in

> other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic

results

> and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are

anticipated

> it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on

how

> one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?

>

> rgds,

> manasa

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Manas,

 

Yes I do agree with your view, but partially. I also have read other

versions of the same like, " Whatever happens, happens for a reason " .

Be it for a reason or purpose, ultimately it all do something good.

Your example of pain clearly says it.

 

Now the concept of rebirth; I do believe in it,but in a different way.

The Upanishad does say that integral part of human being is Brahman

(subtler version is Atman or soul) and that is eternal. So there is

no question of death and rebirth. What dies is our body and what is

reborn is another physical entity. I believe that all sufferings are

physical in nature and if one could let go of such thoughts, he

achieves enlightenment.

 

As I understand, Life as a human being is a golden chance to

experience Brahman. A few strived for it and achieved it. That is

why, those men were different and they wrote Vedas and Puranas.

 

Regards,

Manasa

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Dear chann,

 

//My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in

9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with

troublesome marriage!!!//

 

could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra and

navamsa and the same regarding mars.

 

Thank you.

Manasa

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Dear Manasa,

 

As per Lahiri Ayanamasa

 

Rahu in Scorpio 13° 52' 49 " Anuradha Pada: 4

 

Aries Lagna

 

I would also like to know is Rahu (nodes per se) also considered as

Vergottama? if they are placed in same sign in D-1 and D-9 charts..

 

And what are the indications... appreciate your inputs

 

Regards

 

Chann

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear chann,

>

> //My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in

> 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst

with troublesome marriage!!!//

>

> could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra

and

> navamsa and the same regarding mars.

>

> Thank you.

> Manasa

>

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Dear Manasa,

 

Sorry i missed some points here's the details..

 

As per Lahiri Ayanamasa

 

D-1 Aries Lagna

 

Rahu in Scorpio 13° 52' 49 " Anuradha Pada: 4

Mars in 9th House Dhanu 20° 47' 32 " Poorvashada Pada: 3

 

D-9 Taurus Lagna

 

Rahu in Scorpio!!!

Mars in Libra

 

I would also like to know is Rahu (nodes per se) also considered as

Vergottama? if they are placed in same sign in D-1 and D-9 charts..

 

And what are the genaral indications/results...

 

Appreciate your inputs

 

Regards

 

Chann

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear chann,

>

> //My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in

> 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst

with

> troublesome marriage!!!//

>

> could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra

and

> navamsa and the same regarding mars.

>

> Thank you.

> Manasa

>

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Dear Chann,

 

As I understand 8th house is the mystery house.. It tells

one about the hidden facts that helps in self transformation or

Moksha. But for that, one should let go off something, that's why 8th

house is said as the house of loss too.So let's look into your chart

now:

 

From what you have written, your lagna is aries and 8th house has

rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn (dharma) and 9th

house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus(moksha).As you know

rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the planet it

relates with; in this case saturn. Saturn by nature is Reserved,

authoritative and strict disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a

person, when it comes to relationships? Since saturn has full aspect

on 10th house,so 4th house is indirectly affected in this case.Though

you strive to maintain everything under control and in order, you are

sober at the end. Rahu in 8th has been linked to depression and most

probably you suffered from it when your marriage was in trouble. Note

the navamsa of 8th lord in 7th house.But the good part of this is

that 8th lord in nakshatra of purvashada grants moksha or freedom. So

it's very much possible in that you would decline your saturn

approach to transform yourself into a totally new person.

 

Regards,

 

Manasa.

 

p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other

learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach to

interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments.

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I never said it was going to be easy! The problem would never have arisen if

that were the case :-)

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years,

it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one

truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender

to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if

they're fortunate.

 

This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

psychological etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

Dear Manasa,

 

The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! "

It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " ,

meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than

vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of

jyotish.

 

When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression

and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism

(to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we

begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does

not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

 

Manas

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wendy,

 

In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the

horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different

indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)? Let

us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to

fathom.

 

Thanks

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years,

it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one

truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender

to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if

they're fortunate.

 

This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

psychological etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

Dear Manasa,

 

The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! "

It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " ,

meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death.

For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than

vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of

jyotish.

 

When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression

and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism

(to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we

begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does

not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!

 

Manas

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Manas,

 

///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic

pain?///

 

Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't you agree?

No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be a chronic

(health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to;

 

First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the native's

general health and well-being.

 

Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic conditions.

 

Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics MA/SA we

might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds etc; surgery

also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and, Saturn, as we

well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we well know,

this can be chronic and severe.

 

Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is no " One Size

Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be assessed on its

own merits.

 

///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical

depression, for instance)?///

 

Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and (again) the

influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'.

 

I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't speak

English very well so it's difficult to communicate with him...he's from

Iran.

He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at

all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown

talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish

I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening

(probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering

from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of

dismissing sufferers with platitudes.

 

///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are

difficult to fathom.///

 

Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain on the

physical level.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Wendy,

 

In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the

horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different

indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)?

Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are

difficult to fathom.

 

Thanks

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many

years,

it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome

friend...no-one

truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender

to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if

they're fortunate.

 

This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

psychological etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Wendy & Manasa,

 

Namaste. May i write a few lines!!?

 

You may be aware of the story of Ahalya/Akalika who was transformed

into a stone by her husband Sage Gautama. This transformation occurred

through the medium of a curse pronounced by the Sage Gautama. Ahalya

could not distinguish between Sage Gautama and Indra who had come in

disguise as Sage Gautama. For a momentary lapse she was cursed by the

sage. However the sage also mentioned that the Holy dust of Sri Rama

pada/paduka would remove this curse. When one is assured of receiving

the Holy dust of Sri Rama pada/Paduka it is difficult for us to

consider the curse as curse - is it not a blessing in disguise!

 

Let us see it through Jyotish angle. Guru and Buda get dig bala in

lagna. Let us take Buda(rajasic) who pulls one down to the plane of

shareera/earth. This Buda is the primary karaka of 10th house. When

the Mercurian force compels one the gates of Indrapuri(10th

house)/indriyas/senses open up. The natural 10th house falls in the

sign of Makara which is the Kali rasi where Guru gets debilitated and

Mars is exalted(survival of fittest). Having fallen into the net of

indrapuri, the future(5th from Makara) is the earthy Vrishaba. Venus

the natural 7th & 2nd lords is now ready to curse(kalatra

saapa/curse). The natural 7th rasi is chara(moveable). When the 7th

Lord curses(Husband/Gautama) a transformation(2nd is 8th from 7th -

8th stands for transformation)has to take place. She/Akalya becomes a

stone(sthira - unmoved/frozen). The natural 2nd house is Vrishaba rasi

which has the potency to exalt Moon(the lord of 4th - awareness).

 

The sage now says this curse would be removed when the Holy dust of

Sri Rama pada/paduka touches the stone she would come back. This means

that Godly awareness is not as a result of individual effort but that

of Iswara Kripa/mercy.! But behind the curse there is blessing - dark

tunnel definitely leads to bright opening!!! The message here is when

one who has erred accepts his mistake and is ready to receive the

correction treatment he/she is assured of ultimate success. When one

comes across a curse in the chart one has to peep through it to

understand the lesson that one has to assimilate.

 

Now see the karaka of 2nd house. It is Guru. Guru is the lord of

natural 9th and 12th houses. As Lord of 9th house Guru has only a

secondary argala on the 2nd house. This means Guru(Viswamitra) cannot

do this directly. He has to bring SriRama - the heart of the sage

Viswamitra(4th is the natural heart - 4th from 9th is 12th). How do we

open the gates of 12th house. This can be done only through Sani who

is the primary karaka of 12th house. This Sani requires Tapas as his

fees to open up the inner chambers of 12th house. This tapas consumes

Kala - which is the period of suffering/anubhava/processing/churning.

No sooner Sani opens up the inner chambers, than Sri Rama emerges.

This Meena which is the natural 12th house is the primary argala for

the 2nd house. When Sani the lord of wind carries the Holy dust of

SriRama pada/paduka on to the 2nd/stony Ahalya she regains her Self

awareness.

 

Kala is the natural ripener. Sani is the Lord of Kala while Guru is

the Lord of space. When these two combine events unfold. Debilated

Guru in Makara is indeed Ma Tara who helps one in crossing the oceans

of Samsara.

 

i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail.

 

i hope this helps.

 

Best wishes.

 

May Mother Bless.

 

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> Dear Wendyji,

>

> Thank you. I am eagerly waiting to read all the responses.

>

> Regards,

>

> Manasa

>

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Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-)

You wrote:

" He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at

all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown

talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish

I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening

(probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering

from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of

dismissing sufferers with platitudes. "

 

Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may make a great

mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great mentor in any case (I know

I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger), BUT think for a second!

 

It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and imagining a lot of

things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going about with his imaginary

friends and foes may actually not be suffering all that much subjectively! Does

that make sense to you or to anyone?

 

Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we lose sight

of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a personal journey to

course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed or crossed, if you know what I

mean but have no ability to express.

 

I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet.

 

Manas

 

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Friday, January 18, 2008 10:23 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Dear Manas,

 

///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic

pain?///

 

Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't you agree?

No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be a chronic

(health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to;

 

First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the native's

general health and well-being.

 

Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic conditions.

 

Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics MA/SA we

might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds etc; surgery

also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and, Saturn, as we

well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we well know,

this can be chronic and severe.

 

Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is no " One Size

Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be assessed on its

own merits.

 

///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical

depression, for instance)?///

 

Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and (again) the

influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'.

 

I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't speak

English very well so it's difficult to communicate with him...he's from

Iran.

He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at

all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown

talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish

I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening

(probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering

from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of

dismissing sufferers with platitudes.

 

///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are

difficult to fathom.///

 

Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain on the

physical level.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

Wendy,

 

In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the

horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different

indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)?

Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are

difficult to fathom.

 

Thanks

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

Dear Manas,

 

Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many

years,

it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome

friend...no-one

truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender

to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if

they're fortunate.

 

This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

psychological etc..

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ramanarayanji,

 

Thank you so much for the explicit writing on Blessings in disguise.

I whole-heartedly appreciate your response to my query. I been a

little worried thinking whether my query would go unnoticed. You have

literally given new life to the thread.

 

Thank you so much.

 

Manasa

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Dear Manas,

 

Unless we live in his shoes, none of us would ever know...

 

If you are interested in the subject and experience of paranoid

schizophrenia, I would recommend that you see the movie and read the

book, A Beautiful Mind and if you have a database like Astrodatabank,

look into the horoscope of the scientist given there and read the

biography there which *differes* from what was shown in the movie!

 

About movies, in general, a comment if this old geezer may be allowed

on this youthful forum! Movies are the products of the nodes or

strongly associated with those! Nodes can " round-up " things or

even " round-out " in some cases! Anyway, where nodes get involved, I

would exercise caution! Case in point: Gandhi (The blockbuster movie).

 

RR

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote:

>

> Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-)

> You wrote:

> " He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not

well at

> all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his

dressing gown

> talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him

and wish

> I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

> I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is

worsening

> (probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

> No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one

suffering

> from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

> There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful

of

> dismissing sufferers with platitudes. "

>

> Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may

make a great mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great

mentor in any case (I know I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger),

BUT think for a second!

>

> It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and

imagining a lot of things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going

about with his imaginary friends and foes may actually not be

suffering all that much subjectively! Does that make sense to you or

to anyone?

>

> Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we

lose sight of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a

personal journey to course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed

or crossed, if you know what I mean but have no ability to express.

>

> I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet.

>

> Manas

>

>

> -

> Wendy Vasicek

> jyotish-vidya

> Friday, January 18, 2008 10:23 PM

> Re: A blessing in disguise

>

>

> Dear Manas,

>

> ///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures

of chronic

> pain?///

>

> Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't

you agree?

> No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be

a chronic

> (health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to;

>

> First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the

native's

> general health and well-being.

>

> Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic

conditions.

>

> Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics

MA/SA we

> might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds

etc; surgery

> also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and,

Saturn, as we

> well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we

well know,

> this can be chronic and severe.

>

> Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is

no " One Size

> Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be

assessed on its

> own merits.

>

> ///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain

(clinical

> depression, for instance)?///

>

> Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and

(again) the

> influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'.

>

> I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't

speak

> English very well so it's difficult to communicate with

him...he's from

> Iran.

> He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not

well at

> all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his

dressing gown

> talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for

him and wish

> I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

> I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is

worsening

> (probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

> No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one

suffering

> from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

> There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be

careful of

> dismissing sufferers with platitudes.

>

> ///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as

those are

> difficult to fathom.///

>

> Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain

on the

> physical level.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

> -

> " jyotishi " <jyotishi

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM

> Re: A blessing in disguise

>

> Wendy,

>

> In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you

found as the

> horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there

different

> indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for

instance)?

> Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as

those are

> difficult to fathom.

>

> Thanks

>

> -

> Wendy Vasicek

> jyotish-vidya

> Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM

> Re: A blessing in disguise

>

> Dear Manas,

>

> Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for

many

> years,

> it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome

> friend...no-one

> truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma

(surrender

> to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might

receive, if

> they're fortunate.

>

> This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional,

> psychological etc..

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Manas,

 

Just a quick word, if I may, whilst I'm still at the computer:-)

 

Believe me 'Paranoid Schizophrenia' is a very serious illness affecting

normal brain functioning. In most, if not all cases, the patient does most

certainly (at certain stages of the illness) suffer greatly from his

perceived fear and persecution. Violence against others in an attempt to

protect themselves from imaginary danger, and suicide, as an ultimate relief

from their fear, is common for sufferers of this disease.

 

Believe me, my neighbour is not happy and content in his imaginary world.

He's a very fearful, lonely and unhappy man. I see the fear in his eyes when

I catch his gaze and I KNOW this poor man is suffering greatly.

 

When I went to my car the other day, he shouted loudly; " Danger! People! " . I

acted as though I hadn't heard and, turning to him with a smile, said; " Good

morning, how are you today " and he responded; " Good morning, how are you

today... "

 

I knew this was about the limit of his ability to converse in English so I

just said, 'well thank you' and drove off in my car.

 

But I know this man suffers and it's naive to think he's happy in his

imaginary world...he's tortured by fear!

 

Now I really must go and enjoy some of my weekend away from the computer :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

___

 

 

-

" jyotishi " <jyotishi

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:06 PM

Re: A blessing in disguise

 

 

Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-)

You wrote:

" He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at

all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown

talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish

I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult.

I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening

(probably due to not taking his medication as advised).

No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering

from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend.

There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of

dismissing sufferers with platitudes. "

 

Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may make a

great mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great mentor in any

case (I know I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger), BUT think for a

second!

 

It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and imagining a lot

of things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going about with his

imaginary friends and foes may actually not be suffering all that much

subjectively! Does that make sense to you or to anyone?

 

Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we lose

sight of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a personal

journey to course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed or crossed, if

you know what I mean but have no ability to express.

 

I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet.

 

Manas

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Dear Manasa,

 

//p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other

learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach to

interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments.//

 

Honestly, good attempt and congrats for your first approach. i do

believe this is how one learns even if he/she's has half century of

experience in astrology!!

 

Now please note whatever i am writing below is ONLY for learning

purpose...so please don't mistake me.

 

I assume that you have not made these comments on studying the

complete chart so let me also stick to the planets and placements in

discussion only... then i will come to the core subject

the " blessing in disguise "

 

//8th house has rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn

dharma) and 9th house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus

(moksha)//

 

I agree to some extent but not completely though Saturn is for

Justice and Dharma what about his other -ve qualties like cunning,

etc? This is what i found even with most experienced astrologers

that almost all use the planet's or signs traits/qualities as per

their convinience to match their belief OR just to defend their

predictions. Here i am not saying you are defending what you wrote

in your begining of the Subject Blessing in disguise.

 

I read Ketu is a Moksha karaka not the Venus kindly correct me if i

am wrong.

 

//As you know rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the

planet it relates with; in this case saturn.//

 

I think here you are giving more weight-age on the Nakshatra lord

then the sign lord (Mars) in where Rahu is placed..do you mean Rahu

is behaving more of a saturn then the Mars in this case?

 

I read Rahu takes half the power of the sign lord where he is

placed..Then how do we consider this while deciding on Rahu's

effects on any given chart not only this chart...

 

And to tell you the Practical life events since i passed the Rahu MD

it was one the BEST Dasa that i enjoyed career/finance/health/wealth

Except in the begining of the end of Sri Rahu Dasa:-) (Note: Rahu in

Scorpio is Deblitad according to Vedic Astrology and Deblitad nodes

are more malevolent!!!)when i got into the marriage and soon after

the end of Rahu Dasa troubles started...I heard the saying " Whatever

one gets in Rahu Dasa will loose everthing once the dasa is over "

But still wife is with me:-(:-)

 

Though it lead me to the study of Astrology and lean towards

spirituality and get relief to some extent, I do not agree that

whatever Rahu gives he takes away....

 

And attaining the Moksha in my personal opinion, one does not know

before hand as to how he/she will attain the same...i think even by

studying and understanding his/her own chart. Since we do not know

what we did in the Past. Only when we face problems, and start

studying the chart and ultimately comes to know that, this is all

(Problems) happening due to our past Karma and this X and Y Planet's

placements indicates that etc etc..

 

//Saturn by nature is Reserved, authoritative and strict

disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a person, when it comes to

relationships?//

 

I do enjoy being authoritative But in relationship, i am more of

freedom loving/minded at the same time i do expect the same from the

other person, Yes with some curtesy/diciplane...

 

Appreciate your effort and time, and thank you

 

Regards

 

Chann

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth

wrote:

>

> Dear Chann,

>

> As I understand 8th house is the mystery house.. It

tells

> one about the hidden facts that helps in self transformation or

> Moksha. But for that, one should let go off something, that's why

8th

> house is said as the house of loss too.So let's look into your

chart

> now:

>

> From what you have written, your lagna is aries and 8th house has

> rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn (dharma) and 9th

> house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus(moksha).As you know

> rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the planet it

> relates with; in this case saturn. Saturn by nature is Reserved,

> authoritative and strict disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a

> person, when it comes to relationships? Since saturn has full

aspect

> on 10th house,so 4th house is indirectly affected in this

case.Though

> you strive to maintain everything under control and in order, you

are

> sober at the end. Rahu in 8th has been linked to depression and

most

> probably you suffered from it when your marriage was in trouble.

Note

> the navamsa of 8th lord in 7th house.But the good part of this is

> that 8th lord in nakshatra of purvashada grants moksha or freedom.

So

> it's very much possible in that you would decline your saturn

> approach to transform yourself into a totally new person.

>

> Regards,

>

> Manasa.

>

> p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other

> learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach

to

> interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments.

>

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