Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Dear Manasa, The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! Manas - m2sangeeth jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM A blessing in disguise Dear Group, There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'? rgds, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Beautiful words...:-) Regards, Krishna jyotishi <jyotishi wrote: Dear Manasa, The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! Manas - m2sangeeth jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM A blessing in disguise Dear Group, There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'? rgds, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Dear Manas, Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years, it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if they're fortunate. This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, psychological etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manasa, The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! Manas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Dear Manasa, ///Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'?/// This is a legitimate question which does deserve a legitimate response. Let's see first what other members might be able to contribute before I comment :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 18, 2008 9:45 AM A blessing in disguise Dear Group, There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'? rgds, manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manas, //When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!!// I agree with your above statement which is quite true. But this i feel you are talking from Philosophical view/approach. If everybody understands and follows as you mentioned, then in my opinion we do not need Astrology... Manasa has asked from Astrolological angle //I just came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results and malefic results.// My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with troublesome marriage!!! Regards Chann jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Dear Manasa, > > The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " > It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. > For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. > > When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! > > Manas > - > m2sangeeth > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:45 PM > A blessing in disguise > > > Dear Group, > > There is this popular saying " whatever that happens in life, happens > for good " . All could be conceived as a blessing in disguise. I just > came across this wonderful thought reading about 8th house and its > significations. Through the struggles caused by the planets > influencing eight house, an individual grows spiritually and attains > moksha. Could one relate similar experience to other houses? or in > other words, a planet influencing a house could give benefic results > and malefic results. At times, though malefic results are anticipated > it yields good results.Could any of the learnt members write on how > one could determine ' A blessing in disguise'? > > rgds, > manasa > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manas, Yes I do agree with your view, but partially. I also have read other versions of the same like, " Whatever happens, happens for a reason " . Be it for a reason or purpose, ultimately it all do something good. Your example of pain clearly says it. Now the concept of rebirth; I do believe in it,but in a different way. The Upanishad does say that integral part of human being is Brahman (subtler version is Atman or soul) and that is eternal. So there is no question of death and rebirth. What dies is our body and what is reborn is another physical entity. I believe that all sufferings are physical in nature and if one could let go of such thoughts, he achieves enlightenment. As I understand, Life as a human being is a golden chance to experience Brahman. A few strived for it and achieved it. That is why, those men were different and they wrote Vedas and Puranas. Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Wendyji, Thank you. I am eagerly waiting to read all the responses. Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear chann, //My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with troublesome marriage!!!// could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra and navamsa and the same regarding mars. Thank you. Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manasa, As per Lahiri Ayanamasa Rahu in Scorpio 13° 52' 49 " Anuradha Pada: 4 Aries Lagna I would also like to know is Rahu (nodes per se) also considered as Vergottama? if they are placed in same sign in D-1 and D-9 charts.. And what are the indications... appreciate your inputs Regards Chann jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote: > > Dear chann, > > //My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in > 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with troublesome marriage!!!// > > could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra and > navamsa and the same regarding mars. > > Thank you. > Manasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manasa, Sorry i missed some points here's the details.. As per Lahiri Ayanamasa D-1 Aries Lagna Rahu in Scorpio 13° 52' 49 " Anuradha Pada: 4 Mars in 9th House Dhanu 20° 47' 32 " Poorvashada Pada: 3 D-9 Taurus Lagna Rahu in Scorpio!!! Mars in Libra I would also like to know is Rahu (nodes per se) also considered as Vergottama? if they are placed in same sign in D-1 and D-9 charts.. And what are the genaral indications/results... Appreciate your inputs Regards Chann jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote: > > Dear chann, > > //My personal experiece, i have Rahu in 8th House HL Mars placed in > 9th House.. i got into Astrology during Rahu-Kuja period whilst with > troublesome marriage!!!// > > could you write to me more? like rahu in which rasi, nakshathra and > navamsa and the same regarding mars. > > Thank you. > Manasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Chann, As I understand 8th house is the mystery house.. It tells one about the hidden facts that helps in self transformation or Moksha. But for that, one should let go off something, that's why 8th house is said as the house of loss too.So let's look into your chart now: From what you have written, your lagna is aries and 8th house has rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn (dharma) and 9th house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus(moksha).As you know rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the planet it relates with; in this case saturn. Saturn by nature is Reserved, authoritative and strict disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a person, when it comes to relationships? Since saturn has full aspect on 10th house,so 4th house is indirectly affected in this case.Though you strive to maintain everything under control and in order, you are sober at the end. Rahu in 8th has been linked to depression and most probably you suffered from it when your marriage was in trouble. Note the navamsa of 8th lord in 7th house.But the good part of this is that 8th lord in nakshatra of purvashada grants moksha or freedom. So it's very much possible in that you would decline your saturn approach to transform yourself into a totally new person. Regards, Manasa. p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach to interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I never said it was going to be easy! The problem would never have arisen if that were the case :-) - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manas, Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years, it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if they're fortunate. This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, psychological etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manasa, The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! Manas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Wendy, In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)? Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to fathom. Thanks - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manas, Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years, it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if they're fortunate. This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, psychological etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 18, 2008 10:51 AM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manasa, The version I had read was, " Whatever happens, happens for a purpose! " It did not have a value, good or bad and it did not limit itself to " life " , meaning the experiential slice limited by birth and death. For all I know, we probably spend more time between death and birth than vice versa -- assuming that you believe in rebirth, the infrastructure of jyotish. When our reflex-reaction to pain (any kind) stops being anger and aggression and we recognize, realize that pain was created as a protective mechanism (to warn us from continuing with the destructive behaviour or activity), we begin to see it as a friend, as a firm restraining hand of a friend who does not want us to get in more trouble -- something shifts! Paradigm!! Manas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manas, ///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain?/// Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't you agree? No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be a chronic (health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to; First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the native's general health and well-being. Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic conditions. Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics MA/SA we might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds etc; surgery also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and, Saturn, as we well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we well know, this can be chronic and severe. Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is no " One Size Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be assessed on its own merits. ///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)?/// Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and (again) the influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'. I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't speak English very well so it's difficult to communicate with him...he's from Iran. He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of dismissing sufferers with platitudes. ///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to fathom./// Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain on the physical level. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM Re: A blessing in disguise Wendy, In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)? Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to fathom. Thanks - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manas, Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years, it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if they're fortunate. This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, psychological etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Wendy & Manasa, Namaste. May i write a few lines!!? You may be aware of the story of Ahalya/Akalika who was transformed into a stone by her husband Sage Gautama. This transformation occurred through the medium of a curse pronounced by the Sage Gautama. Ahalya could not distinguish between Sage Gautama and Indra who had come in disguise as Sage Gautama. For a momentary lapse she was cursed by the sage. However the sage also mentioned that the Holy dust of Sri Rama pada/paduka would remove this curse. When one is assured of receiving the Holy dust of Sri Rama pada/Paduka it is difficult for us to consider the curse as curse - is it not a blessing in disguise! Let us see it through Jyotish angle. Guru and Buda get dig bala in lagna. Let us take Buda(rajasic) who pulls one down to the plane of shareera/earth. This Buda is the primary karaka of 10th house. When the Mercurian force compels one the gates of Indrapuri(10th house)/indriyas/senses open up. The natural 10th house falls in the sign of Makara which is the Kali rasi where Guru gets debilitated and Mars is exalted(survival of fittest). Having fallen into the net of indrapuri, the future(5th from Makara) is the earthy Vrishaba. Venus the natural 7th & 2nd lords is now ready to curse(kalatra saapa/curse). The natural 7th rasi is chara(moveable). When the 7th Lord curses(Husband/Gautama) a transformation(2nd is 8th from 7th - 8th stands for transformation)has to take place. She/Akalya becomes a stone(sthira - unmoved/frozen). The natural 2nd house is Vrishaba rasi which has the potency to exalt Moon(the lord of 4th - awareness). The sage now says this curse would be removed when the Holy dust of Sri Rama pada/paduka touches the stone she would come back. This means that Godly awareness is not as a result of individual effort but that of Iswara Kripa/mercy.! But behind the curse there is blessing - dark tunnel definitely leads to bright opening!!! The message here is when one who has erred accepts his mistake and is ready to receive the correction treatment he/she is assured of ultimate success. When one comes across a curse in the chart one has to peep through it to understand the lesson that one has to assimilate. Now see the karaka of 2nd house. It is Guru. Guru is the lord of natural 9th and 12th houses. As Lord of 9th house Guru has only a secondary argala on the 2nd house. This means Guru(Viswamitra) cannot do this directly. He has to bring SriRama - the heart of the sage Viswamitra(4th is the natural heart - 4th from 9th is 12th). How do we open the gates of 12th house. This can be done only through Sani who is the primary karaka of 12th house. This Sani requires Tapas as his fees to open up the inner chambers of 12th house. This tapas consumes Kala - which is the period of suffering/anubhava/processing/churning. No sooner Sani opens up the inner chambers, than Sri Rama emerges. This Meena which is the natural 12th house is the primary argala for the 2nd house. When Sani the lord of wind carries the Holy dust of SriRama pada/paduka on to the 2nd/stony Ahalya she regains her Self awareness. Kala is the natural ripener. Sani is the Lord of Kala while Guru is the Lord of space. When these two combine events unfold. Debilated Guru in Makara is indeed Ma Tara who helps one in crossing the oceans of Samsara. i am extremely sorry for the length of the mail. i hope this helps. Best wishes. May Mother Bless. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote: > > Dear Wendyji, > > Thank you. I am eagerly waiting to read all the responses. > > Regards, > > Manasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-) You wrote: " He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of dismissing sufferers with platitudes. " Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may make a great mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great mentor in any case (I know I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger), BUT think for a second! It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and imagining a lot of things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going about with his imaginary friends and foes may actually not be suffering all that much subjectively! Does that make sense to you or to anyone? Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we lose sight of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a personal journey to course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed or crossed, if you know what I mean but have no ability to express. I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet. Manas - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Friday, January 18, 2008 10:23 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manas, ///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain?/// Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't you agree? No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be a chronic (health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to; First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the native's general health and well-being. Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic conditions. Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics MA/SA we might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds etc; surgery also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and, Saturn, as we well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we well know, this can be chronic and severe. Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is no " One Size Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be assessed on its own merits. ///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)?/// Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and (again) the influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'. I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't speak English very well so it's difficult to communicate with him...he's from Iran. He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of dismissing sufferers with platitudes. ///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to fathom./// Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain on the physical level. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM Re: A blessing in disguise Wendy, In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)? Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are difficult to fathom. Thanks - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Dear Manas, Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many years, it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome friend...no-one truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if they're fortunate. This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, psychological etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Ramanarayanji, Thank you so much for the explicit writing on Blessings in disguise. I whole-heartedly appreciate your response to my query. I been a little worried thinking whether my query would go unnoticed. You have literally given new life to the thread. Thank you so much. Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manas, Unless we live in his shoes, none of us would ever know... If you are interested in the subject and experience of paranoid schizophrenia, I would recommend that you see the movie and read the book, A Beautiful Mind and if you have a database like Astrodatabank, look into the horoscope of the scientist given there and read the biography there which *differes* from what was shown in the movie! About movies, in general, a comment if this old geezer may be allowed on this youthful forum! Movies are the products of the nodes or strongly associated with those! Nodes can " round-up " things or even " round-out " in some cases! Anyway, where nodes get involved, I would exercise caution! Case in point: Gandhi (The blockbuster movie). RR jyotish-vidya , " jyotishi " <jyotishi wrote: > > Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-) > You wrote: > " He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at > all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown > talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish > I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. > I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening > (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). > No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering > from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. > There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of > dismissing sufferers with platitudes. " > > Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may make a great mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great mentor in any case (I know I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger), BUT think for a second! > > It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and imagining a lot of things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going about with his imaginary friends and foes may actually not be suffering all that much subjectively! Does that make sense to you or to anyone? > > Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we lose sight of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a personal journey to course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed or crossed, if you know what I mean but have no ability to express. > > I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet. > > Manas > > > - > Wendy Vasicek > jyotish-vidya > Friday, January 18, 2008 10:23 PM > Re: A blessing in disguise > > > Dear Manas, > > ///what have you found as the horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic > pain?/// > > Common-sense alone should point us in the right direction, don't you agree? > No doubt, for a native to suffer chronic pain, there needs to be a chronic > (health) condition causing it. To assess this we need to; > > First: Consider lagna...are there indications there affecting the native's > general health and well-being. > > Second: 8th house will indicate the potential for chronic conditions. > > Third: If we find such indications associated with the malefics MA/SA we > might assume some inflamatory condition i.e., fistulas, wounds etc; surgery > also a possible indication due to the influence of Mars; and, Saturn, as we > well know, is an indicator of pain. In certain conditions, as we well know, > this can be chronic and severe. > > Unfortunately, although there are certain pointers, there is no " One Size > Fits All " in jyotish. Every horoscope is unique and must be assessed on its > own merits. > > ///Are there different indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical > depression, for instance)?/// > > Absolutely! In this instance Moon would have to be assessed and (again) the > influence of Saturn resulting in mental 'pain'. > > I have a neighbour, a very gentle man who, unfortunately, doesn't speak > English very well so it's difficult to communicate with him...he's from > Iran. > He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at > all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown > talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish > I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. > I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening > (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). > No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering > from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. > There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of > dismissing sufferers with platitudes. > > ///Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are > difficult to fathom./// > > Yes, there is a great difference between spiritual pain and pain on the > physical level. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " jyotishi " <jyotishi > <jyotish-vidya > > Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:44 AM > Re: A blessing in disguise > > Wendy, > > In your long years of experience with astrology, what have you found as the > horoscopic signature or signatures of chronic pain? Are there different > indicators for physical vs mental pain (clinical depression, for instance)? > Let us leave the soul-pain, soul-angst for the time being as those are > difficult to fathom. > > Thanks > > - > Wendy Vasicek > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:52 PM > Re: A blessing in disguise > > Dear Manas, > > Nice words, yes; however, for someone suffering chronic pain for many > years, > it would be difficult (for them) to greet this as a welcome > friend...no-one > truly wants to suffer (on any level). Acceptance of one's karma (surrender > to the " Will of God " ) is the blessing chronic sufferers might receive, if > they're fortunate. > > This refers to all sorts of pain, of course; physical, emotional, > psychological etc.. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Manas, Just a quick word, if I may, whilst I'm still at the computer:-) Believe me 'Paranoid Schizophrenia' is a very serious illness affecting normal brain functioning. In most, if not all cases, the patient does most certainly (at certain stages of the illness) suffer greatly from his perceived fear and persecution. Violence against others in an attempt to protect themselves from imaginary danger, and suicide, as an ultimate relief from their fear, is common for sufferers of this disease. Believe me, my neighbour is not happy and content in his imaginary world. He's a very fearful, lonely and unhappy man. I see the fear in his eyes when I catch his gaze and I KNOW this poor man is suffering greatly. When I went to my car the other day, he shouted loudly; " Danger! People! " . I acted as though I hadn't heard and, turning to him with a smile, said; " Good morning, how are you today " and he responded; " Good morning, how are you today... " I knew this was about the limit of his ability to converse in English so I just said, 'well thank you' and drove off in my car. But I know this man suffers and it's naive to think he's happy in his imaginary world...he's tortured by fear! Now I really must go and enjoy some of my weekend away from the computer :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " jyotishi " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:06 PM Re: A blessing in disguise Will you allow me to be a brat, this once? May I, please :-) You wrote: " He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia and, at the moment, is not well at all. He spends a lot of time (day and night) outside in his dressing gown talking loudly to someone who's not there. I feel so sorry for him and wish I could help, but the language barrier makes it difficult. I've contacted his family and they're aware that his condition is worsening (probably due to not taking his medication as advised). No doubt (both) mental and physical pain are very real and no one suffering from either would be likely to welcome their pain as a friend. There is a lot of suffering in this world and we need to be careful of dismissing sufferers with platitudes. " Wendy, obviously you are a very decent and kind lady, one who may make a great mother, grandmother or even sister -- I feel, a great mentor in any case (I know I know, a BIG assumption from a stranger), BUT think for a second! It is you who is suffering and feeling sad and thinking and imagining a lot of things while this 'paranoid' gentleman while going about with his imaginary friends and foes may actually not be suffering all that much subjectively! Does that make sense to you or to anyone? Sometimes in our attempt to normalize and harmonize the universe we lose sight of the fact that each of us is an INDIVIDUAL and has a personal journey to course. It is best if our maps do not get mixed or crossed, if you know what I mean but have no ability to express. I shall be a good boy now and keep absolutely quiet. Manas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Manasa, //p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach to interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments.// Honestly, good attempt and congrats for your first approach. i do believe this is how one learns even if he/she's has half century of experience in astrology!! Now please note whatever i am writing below is ONLY for learning purpose...so please don't mistake me. I assume that you have not made these comments on studying the complete chart so let me also stick to the planets and placements in discussion only... then i will come to the core subject the " blessing in disguise " //8th house has rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn dharma) and 9th house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus (moksha)// I agree to some extent but not completely though Saturn is for Justice and Dharma what about his other -ve qualties like cunning, etc? This is what i found even with most experienced astrologers that almost all use the planet's or signs traits/qualities as per their convinience to match their belief OR just to defend their predictions. Here i am not saying you are defending what you wrote in your begining of the Subject Blessing in disguise. I read Ketu is a Moksha karaka not the Venus kindly correct me if i am wrong. //As you know rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the planet it relates with; in this case saturn.// I think here you are giving more weight-age on the Nakshatra lord then the sign lord (Mars) in where Rahu is placed..do you mean Rahu is behaving more of a saturn then the Mars in this case? I read Rahu takes half the power of the sign lord where he is placed..Then how do we consider this while deciding on Rahu's effects on any given chart not only this chart... And to tell you the Practical life events since i passed the Rahu MD it was one the BEST Dasa that i enjoyed career/finance/health/wealth Except in the begining of the end of Sri Rahu Dasa:-) (Note: Rahu in Scorpio is Deblitad according to Vedic Astrology and Deblitad nodes are more malevolent!!!)when i got into the marriage and soon after the end of Rahu Dasa troubles started...I heard the saying " Whatever one gets in Rahu Dasa will loose everthing once the dasa is over " But still wife is with me:-(:-) Though it lead me to the study of Astrology and lean towards spirituality and get relief to some extent, I do not agree that whatever Rahu gives he takes away.... And attaining the Moksha in my personal opinion, one does not know before hand as to how he/she will attain the same...i think even by studying and understanding his/her own chart. Since we do not know what we did in the Past. Only when we face problems, and start studying the chart and ultimately comes to know that, this is all (Problems) happening due to our past Karma and this X and Y Planet's placements indicates that etc etc.. //Saturn by nature is Reserved, authoritative and strict disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a person, when it comes to relationships?// I do enjoy being authoritative But in relationship, i am more of freedom loving/minded at the same time i do expect the same from the other person, Yes with some curtesy/diciplane... Appreciate your effort and time, and thank you Regards Chann jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote: > > Dear Chann, > > As I understand 8th house is the mystery house.. It tells > one about the hidden facts that helps in self transformation or > Moksha. But for that, one should let go off something, that's why 8th > house is said as the house of loss too.So let's look into your chart > now: > > From what you have written, your lagna is aries and 8th house has > rahu in vargottama in nakshathra ruled by saturn (dharma) and 9th > house has 8th lord in nakshtra ruled by venus(moksha).As you know > rahu is a shadowy planet that takes the nature of the planet it > relates with; in this case saturn. Saturn by nature is Reserved, > authoritative and strict disciplinarian. Are you this kind of a > person, when it comes to relationships? Since saturn has full aspect > on 10th house,so 4th house is indirectly affected in this case.Though > you strive to maintain everything under control and in order, you are > sober at the end. Rahu in 8th has been linked to depression and most > probably you suffered from it when your marriage was in trouble. Note > the navamsa of 8th lord in 7th house.But the good part of this is > that 8th lord in nakshatra of purvashada grants moksha or freedom. So > it's very much possible in that you would decline your saturn > approach to transform yourself into a totally new person. > > Regards, > > Manasa. > > p.s. I have made this comment based on my limited knowledge. Other > learnt members here could point more. This was my first approach to > interpreting someone's horoscope. Do write to me your comments. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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