Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Mr Bhaskarji You have good yogas like Budha Aditya in the 11th house and Mahabhagya yoga which must have given good comfortable and to certain extent luxurious life. The person with Mahabhagya Yoga will be immensely popular. They will be generous with good reputation. Even your Ravi Dasa in 1984 being Lagnadhipathi in 11 with 32points in SAV for the 11th house should have bestowed you with honour and good position.during that period. We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas formed in good houses. At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are only on paper and be elated without any result. These yogas also fructify in their Dasas. Pl offer your views on Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga which are contrary to each other. regards savithri Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Gentlemen, Can anyone tell me what should be the next move, once we have seen the Yogas present in a chart ? Can a normal person make them fructify the same with conscious efforts ? Or does he wait for them to show their results ? Can a person better than the normal make them fructify when they are bound to happen, or do they fructify on their own ? Is it possible to time the Yogas fructification to within a week or fortnights time.( Now those who answer in the affirmative , I am going to request them to please check my Chart for the 3 best Yogas, and time them ). Verification of Yogas in a chart, for Balarishta etc, when a child is born and when the Doctors say is critical for next 48 hours or so, is understandable. But the verification of Yogas in a chart just for elation sake, somehow intrigues me. I remember when I was much younger, and had purchased the book of 300 Yogas by Shri BV Raman, I had sat down to search for respective Yogas in my Horoscope. In those days we never had access to the software's of today which just give us the Yogas present in a chart, at the click of a button on the PC screen. Even today I check the Yogas manually, lest I forget what I learnt from my Brihat Jataka Teacher. Anyway I searched and found many Yogas, in my Chart. Some frightened me , with the results mentioned therein, while the others gave me a high.and joy. I remember Budhi aditya yoga which we commonly know, in my chart was in Gemini, with Mercury and the Lagna Lord Sun therein the same sign, in the 11th house. Okay . And the other Yoga was Mahabhagya Yoga, where in a day birth one has to have the ascendant,Sun and Moon, all in odd signs which I did have. (Lagna-Leo,Sun in Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius). This gave me a big high. But subsequently what else could I do after knowing these Yogas ? Nothing. Except feeling happy and waiting for my fortunes to rise, which never did, except perhaps for a son to carry on the family name, which among 5 brothers, only I had. This was Gods grace and I translated the Mahabhagya into this result. But where was the conscious effort to translate these Yogas into reality from my side ? None. Therefore I feel ultimately, searching for very many Yogas, and talking much about these, would not be the right thing apparently, if one has to utilize his time on astrological knowledge. Looking at the Yogas in ones own chart, with unattached emotions , and then moving ahead would be the right attitude. BUT, for the serious seeker of astro knowledge, Yogas are actually the combinations which give a constant result, and have been formed on certain parameters based on common effects realised among various natives, and experienced , by the ancient seers, and cannot be overlooked, or waived off in the air , if one has to search for clues in his chart for the not so apparent pointers for many important factors in ones LIfe. But for a ordinary common person, who is not a astrologer, it is always better to leave all such stuff,after a point of conclusion reached, instead of dragging it on continous discussions,which may take his own time and others time.personally I would not answer the query if any native asks me to search for the Yogas present in his chart and relate to him. This was just a personal opinion, and not related to anyone on the List. regards, Bhaskar. Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Savithriji, // At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are only on paper and be elated // Some mistake in understanding perhaps, or my relaying what I wished to say. I never meant that these Yogas are meant for paper only, or they do not have value, or do not have weight, or they do not fructify, or they do not mean anything. In fact I say the opposite, if the second last para in my above quoted mail is given credence. All along I meant, to speak about the subject-native, that is it worth spending time in identifying Yogas in a natives chart, just to make him feel happy, when in reality he may not be able to do much about it, apart from feeling joyous,happy or elated in vain that " I have this RajYoga " " I have this Panchmahapurusha Yoga, a pundit told me " " I have this DhanaYoga I was told by a astrologer " or " I have Gajakesari Yoga' etcetra. I meant,on Forums, if someone would ask us to check all the Yogas in his chart,do you think it is worthwhile for both sides ? Whatever you have mentioned about me, from your analysis, has been right, but I have not given the Yogas anything from my side. So I wonder if the others are like me, or are they able to contribute some thing from their own side, to these Yogas, once they have identified them. ? The other views requested, I shall share later on.Have to go for lunch and lots of pending work too. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > You have good yogas like Budha Aditya in the 11th house and Mahabhagya yoga which must have given good comfortable and to certain extent luxurious life. The person with Mahabhagya Yoga will be immensely popular. They will be generous with good reputation. > > Even your Ravi Dasa in 1984 being Lagnadhipathi in 11 with 32points in SAV for the 11th house should have bestowed you with honour and good position.during that period. > > We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas formed in good houses. > > At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are only on paper and be elated > without any result. > > These yogas also fructify in their Dasas. > > Pl offer your views on Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga which are contrary to each other. > > regards > savithri > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Gentlemen, > > Can anyone tell me what should be the next > move, once we have seen the Yogas present in > a chart ? Can a normal person make them > fructify the same with conscious efforts ? > Or does he wait for them to show their > results ? Can a person better than the normal > make them fructify when they are bound to > happen, or do they fructify on their own ? > Is it possible to time the Yogas fructification > to within a week or fortnights time.( Now those > who answer in the affirmative , I am going to > request them to please check my Chart for > the 3 best Yogas, and time them ). > > Verification of Yogas in a chart, for Balarishta > etc, when a child is born and when the Doctors > say is critical for next 48 hours or so, is > understandable. But the verification of Yogas > in a chart just for elation sake, somehow > intrigues me. > > I remember when I was much younger, and had > purchased the book of 300 Yogas by Shri > BV Raman, I had sat down to search for respective > Yogas in my Horoscope. In those days we never > had access to the software's of today which > just give us the Yogas present in a chart, at the > click of a button on the PC screen. Even today > I check the Yogas manually, lest > I forget what I learnt from my Brihat Jataka > Teacher. Anyway I searched and found many Yogas, > in my Chart. Some frightened me , with the > results mentioned therein, while the others gave > me a high.and joy. I remember Budhi aditya yoga > which we commonly know, in my chart was in Gemini, > with Mercury and the Lagna Lord Sun therein the > same sign, in the 11th house. Okay . And the other > Yoga was Mahabhagya Yoga, where in a day birth > one has to have the ascendant,Sun and Moon, all > in odd signs which I did have. (Lagna-Leo,Sun in > Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius). This gave me a > big high. > > But subsequently what else could I > do after knowing these Yogas ? Nothing. Except > feeling happy and waiting for my fortunes to rise, > which never did, except perhaps for a > son to carry on the family name, which among > 5 brothers, only I had. This was Gods grace and > I translated the Mahabhagya into this result. > > But where was the conscious effort to translate > these Yogas into reality from my side ? None. > > Therefore I feel ultimately, searching for > very many Yogas, and talking much about these, > would not be the right thing apparently, if one > has to utilize his time on astrological knowledge. > Looking at the Yogas in ones own chart, with > unattached emotions , and then moving ahead > would be the right attitude. > > BUT, for the serious seeker of astro knowledge, > Yogas are actually the combinations which give > a constant result, and have been formed on certain > parameters based on common effects realised > among various natives, and experienced , by > the ancient seers, and cannot be overlooked, > or waived off in the air , if one has to > search for clues in his chart for the not > so apparent pointers for many important > factors in ones LIfe. > > But for a ordinary common person, who is not > a astrologer, it is always better to leave > all such stuff,after a point of conclusion > reached, instead of dragging it on continous > discussions,which may take his own time and > others time.personally I would not answer the > query if any native asks me to search for the > Yogas present in his chart and relate to him. > > This was just a personal opinion, and not > related to anyone on the List. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Mr Bhaskarji As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and tell the other person that he has so and so yogas. If it is there I mean if really good yogas are there we may tell so. I have also come across people who go around and say they have so many yogas in their charts as told by an Astrologer. Perhaps it gives them hope and encouragement that there is light at the end of the tunnel as the saying goes. savithri Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Savithriji, // At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are only on paper and be elated // Some mistake in understanding perhaps, or my relaying what I wished to say. I never meant that these Yogas are meant for paper only, or they do not have value, or do not have weight, or they do not fructify, or they do not mean anything. In fact I say the opposite, if the second last para in my above quoted mail is given credence. All along I meant, to speak about the subject-native, that is it worth spending time in identifying Yogas in a natives chart, just to make him feel happy, when in reality he may not be able to do much about it, apart from feeling joyous,happy or elated in vain that " I have this RajYoga " " I have this Panchmahapurusha Yoga, a pundit told me " " I have this DhanaYoga I was told by a astrologer " or " I have Gajakesari Yoga' etcetra. I meant,on Forums, if someone would ask us to check all the Yogas in his chart,do you think it is worthwhile for both sides ? Whatever you have mentioned about me, from your analysis, has been right, but I have not given the Yogas anything from my side. So I wonder if the others are like me, or are they able to contribute some thing from their own side, to these Yogas, once they have identified them. ? The other views requested, I shall share later on.Have to go for lunch and lots of pending work too. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > You have good yogas like Budha Aditya in the 11th house and Mahabhagya yoga which must have given good comfortable and to certain extent luxurious life. The person with Mahabhagya Yoga will be immensely popular. They will be generous with good reputation. > > Even your Ravi Dasa in 1984 being Lagnadhipathi in 11 with 32points in SAV for the 11th house should have bestowed you with honour and good position.during that period. > > We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas formed in good houses. > > At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are only on paper and be elated > without any result. > > These yogas also fructify in their Dasas. > > Pl offer your views on Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga which are contrary to each other. > > regards > savithri > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Gentlemen, > > Can anyone tell me what should be the next > move, once we have seen the Yogas present in > a chart ? Can a normal person make them > fructify the same with conscious efforts ? > Or does he wait for them to show their > results ? Can a person better than the normal > make them fructify when they are bound to > happen, or do they fructify on their own ? > Is it possible to time the Yogas fructification > to within a week or fortnights time.( Now those > who answer in the affirmative , I am going to > request them to please check my Chart for > the 3 best Yogas, and time them ). > > Verification of Yogas in a chart, for Balarishta > etc, when a child is born and when the Doctors > say is critical for next 48 hours or so, is > understandable. But the verification of Yogas > in a chart just for elation sake, somehow > intrigues me. > > I remember when I was much younger, and had > purchased the book of 300 Yogas by Shri > BV Raman, I had sat down to search for respective > Yogas in my Horoscope. In those days we never > had access to the software's of today which > just give us the Yogas present in a chart, at the > click of a button on the PC screen. Even today > I check the Yogas manually, lest > I forget what I learnt from my Brihat Jataka > Teacher. Anyway I searched and found many Yogas, > in my Chart. Some frightened me , with the > results mentioned therein, while the others gave > me a high.and joy. I remember Budhi aditya yoga > which we commonly know, in my chart was in Gemini, > with Mercury and the Lagna Lord Sun therein the > same sign, in the 11th house. Okay . And the other > Yoga was Mahabhagya Yoga, where in a day birth > one has to have the ascendant,Sun and Moon, all > in odd signs which I did have. (Lagna-Leo,Sun in > Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius). This gave me a > big high. > > But subsequently what else could I > do after knowing these Yogas ? Nothing. Except > feeling happy and waiting for my fortunes to rise, > which never did, except perhaps for a > son to carry on the family name, which among > 5 brothers, only I had. This was Gods grace and > I translated the Mahabhagya into this result. > > But where was the conscious effort to translate > these Yogas into reality from my side ? None. > > Therefore I feel ultimately, searching for > very many Yogas, and talking much about these, > would not be the right thing apparently, if one > has to utilize his time on astrological knowledge. > Looking at the Yogas in ones own chart, with > unattached emotions , and then moving ahead > would be the right attitude. > > BUT, for the serious seeker of astro knowledge, > Yogas are actually the combinations which give > a constant result, and have been formed on certain > parameters based on common effects realised > among various natives, and experienced , by > the ancient seers, and cannot be overlooked, > or waived off in the air , if one has to > search for clues in his chart for the not > so apparent pointers for many important > factors in ones LIfe. > > But for a ordinary common person, who is not > a astrologer, it is always better to leave > all such stuff,after a point of conclusion > reached, instead of dragging it on continous > discussions,which may take his own time and > others time.personally I would not answer the > query if any native asks me to search for the > Yogas present in his chart and relate to him. > > This was just a personal opinion, and not > related to anyone on the List. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Savithriji, // As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and tell the other person that he has so and so yogas.// Again I am misunderstood,and misinterpreted the 2nd or 3rd time by your goodself. I never said it is wrong to count and tell the Yogas to a person. I will re-frame my question exactly the way I wished to, but did not,previously. Is it right for a native to ask astrologers to check for the yogas present in his/her chart, ON THE FORUMS , and is it right if the astrologers spend MUCH time on the same ? I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FORUMS. AND THE LIMIT OF IDENTIFYING YOGAS BY ANY ASTROLOGER ON THE FORUM, AND THE SENSIBILITY OF THE QUERIST WHO IS ASKING THUS, AND WHETHER THIS KNOWLEDGE COULD BE USED BY HIM/HER FOR ANY CONSCIOUS EFFORT IN MAKING THOSE YOGAS ACTIVE ? regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and tell the other person that he has so and so yogas. > > If it is there I mean if really good yogas are there we may tell so. > > I have also come across people who go around and say they have so many yogas in their charts as told by an Astrologer. Perhaps it gives them hope and encouragement that there is light at the end of the tunnel as the saying goes. > > savithri > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Savithriji, > > // At least I don't agree with the view that > these good yogas are only on paper and be elated // > > Some mistake in understanding perhaps, or > my relaying what I wished to say. > I never meant that these Yogas are meant for > paper only, or they do not have value, or do > not have weight, or they do not fructify, > or they do not mean anything. In fact I say > the opposite, if the second last para in my > above quoted mail is given credence. > > All along I meant, to speak about the > subject-native, that is it worth spending > time in identifying Yogas in a natives chart, > just to make him feel happy, when in reality > he may not be able to do much about it, > apart from feeling joyous,happy or elated > in vain that " I have this RajYoga " > " I have this Panchmahapurusha Yoga, a pundit > told me " " I have this DhanaYoga I was told > by a astrologer " or " I have Gajakesari Yoga' > etcetra. > > I meant,on Forums, if someone would ask us to > check all the Yogas in his chart,do you think > it is worthwhile for both sides ? > > Whatever you have mentioned about me, from > your analysis, has been right, but I have not > given the Yogas anything from my side. So > I wonder if the others are like me, or are > they able to contribute some thing from their > own side, to these Yogas, once they have > identified them. ? > > The other views requested, I shall share later > on.Have to go for lunch and lots of pending work > too. > > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH > <savithri_mahesh2000@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > > > You have good yogas like Budha Aditya in the 11th house and > Mahabhagya yoga which must have given good comfortable and to certain > extent luxurious life. The person with Mahabhagya Yoga will be > immensely popular. They will be generous with good reputation. > > > > Even your Ravi Dasa in 1984 being Lagnadhipathi in 11 with > 32points in SAV for the 11th house should have bestowed you with > honour and good position.during that period. > > > > We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas > formed in good houses. > > > > At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are > only on paper and be elated > > without any result. > > > > These yogas also fructify in their Dasas. > > > > Pl offer your views on Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga which are > contrary to each other. > > > > regards > > savithri > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > > > Can anyone tell me what should be the next > > move, once we have seen the Yogas present in > > a chart ? Can a normal person make them > > fructify the same with conscious efforts ? > > Or does he wait for them to show their > > results ? Can a person better than the normal > > make them fructify when they are bound to > > happen, or do they fructify on their own ? > > Is it possible to time the Yogas fructification > > to within a week or fortnights time.( Now those > > who answer in the affirmative , I am going to > > request them to please check my Chart for > > the 3 best Yogas, and time them ). > > > > Verification of Yogas in a chart, for Balarishta > > etc, when a child is born and when the Doctors > > say is critical for next 48 hours or so, is > > understandable. But the verification of Yogas > > in a chart just for elation sake, somehow > > intrigues me. > > > > I remember when I was much younger, and had > > purchased the book of 300 Yogas by Shri > > BV Raman, I had sat down to search for respective > > Yogas in my Horoscope. In those days we never > > had access to the software's of today which > > just give us the Yogas present in a chart, at the > > click of a button on the PC screen. Even today > > I check the Yogas manually, lest > > I forget what I learnt from my Brihat Jataka > > Teacher. Anyway I searched and found many Yogas, > > in my Chart. Some frightened me , with the > > results mentioned therein, while the others gave > > me a high.and joy. I remember Budhi aditya yoga > > which we commonly know, in my chart was in Gemini, > > with Mercury and the Lagna Lord Sun therein the > > same sign, in the 11th house. Okay . And the other > > Yoga was Mahabhagya Yoga, where in a day birth > > one has to have the ascendant,Sun and Moon, all > > in odd signs which I did have. (Lagna-Leo,Sun in > > Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius). This gave me a > > big high. > > > > But subsequently what else could I > > do after knowing these Yogas ? Nothing. Except > > feeling happy and waiting for my fortunes to rise, > > which never did, except perhaps for a > > son to carry on the family name, which among > > 5 brothers, only I had. This was Gods grace and > > I translated the Mahabhagya into this result. > > > > But where was the conscious effort to translate > > these Yogas into reality from my side ? None. > > > > Therefore I feel ultimately, searching for > > very many Yogas, and talking much about these, > > would not be the right thing apparently, if one > > has to utilize his time on astrological knowledge. > > Looking at the Yogas in ones own chart, with > > unattached emotions , and then moving ahead > > would be the right attitude. > > > > BUT, for the serious seeker of astro knowledge, > > Yogas are actually the combinations which give > > a constant result, and have been formed on certain > > parameters based on common effects realised > > among various natives, and experienced , by > > the ancient seers, and cannot be overlooked, > > or waived off in the air , if one has to > > search for clues in his chart for the not > > so apparent pointers for many important > > factors in ones LIfe. > > > > But for a ordinary common person, who is not > > a astrologer, it is always better to leave > > all such stuff,after a point of conclusion > > reached, instead of dragging it on continous > > discussions,which may take his own time and > > others time.personally I would not answer the > > query if any native asks me to search for the > > Yogas present in his chart and relate to him. > > > > This was just a personal opinion, and not > > related to anyone on the List. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Savithriji, You are absolutely right that knowledge of Yogas does give the troubled people some hope to live for. No harm to make and keep them happy by relaying this information. But once told, once listened, it should be over. Continous harpering on Yogas by any native is going to cause irritation to any astrologer, is it not? By the way, I am the first person who tells his natives who come for chart readings, all the prominent Yogas present in his chart within 5 minutes, and beyond that I do not allow any talk on Yogas neither give him any false hopes, because of the simple reason that, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HARD WORK, CAN NEVER BE AND NEVER WAS. I DO NOT WISH THOSE WHO COEM TO ME,TO DEVELOP ANY FATALISTIC ATTITUDE FOR THESE POSITIVE YOGAS, AND TURN LETHARGIC IN THE DELIVERANCE OF THEIR DUTIES OR STRAY AWAY FROM ACTION. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and tell the other person that he has so and so yogas. > > If it is there I mean if really good yogas are there we may tell so. > > I have also come across people who go around and say they have so many yogas in their charts as told by an Astrologer. Perhaps it gives them hope and encouragement that there is light at the end of the tunnel as the saying goes. > > savithri > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Savithriji, > > // At least I don't agree with the view that > these good yogas are only on paper and be elated // > > Some mistake in understanding perhaps, or > my relaying what I wished to say. > I never meant that these Yogas are meant for > paper only, or they do not have value, or do > not have weight, or they do not fructify, > or they do not mean anything. In fact I say > the opposite, if the second last para in my > above quoted mail is given credence. > > All along I meant, to speak about the > subject-native, that is it worth spending > time in identifying Yogas in a natives chart, > just to make him feel happy, when in reality > he may not be able to do much about it, > apart from feeling joyous,happy or elated > in vain that " I have this RajYoga " > " I have this Panchmahapurusha Yoga, a pundit > told me " " I have this DhanaYoga I was told > by a astrologer " or " I have Gajakesari Yoga' > etcetra. > > I meant,on Forums, if someone would ask us to > check all the Yogas in his chart,do you think > it is worthwhile for both sides ? > > Whatever you have mentioned about me, from > your analysis, has been right, but I have not > given the Yogas anything from my side. So > I wonder if the others are like me, or are > they able to contribute some thing from their > own side, to these Yogas, once they have > identified them. ? > > The other views requested, I shall share later > on.Have to go for lunch and lots of pending work > too. > > Bhaskar. > > jyotish-vidya , SAVITHRI MAHESH > <savithri_mahesh2000@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > > > You have good yogas like Budha Aditya in the 11th house and > Mahabhagya yoga which must have given good comfortable and to certain > extent luxurious life. The person with Mahabhagya Yoga will be > immensely popular. They will be generous with good reputation. > > > > Even your Ravi Dasa in 1984 being Lagnadhipathi in 11 with > 32points in SAV for the 11th house should have bestowed you with > honour and good position.during that period. > > > > We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas > formed in good houses. > > > > At least I don't agree with the view that these good yogas are > only on paper and be elated > > without any result. > > > > These yogas also fructify in their Dasas. > > > > Pl offer your views on Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga which are > contrary to each other. > > > > regards > > savithri > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > > > Can anyone tell me what should be the next > > move, once we have seen the Yogas present in > > a chart ? Can a normal person make them > > fructify the same with conscious efforts ? > > Or does he wait for them to show their > > results ? Can a person better than the normal > > make them fructify when they are bound to > > happen, or do they fructify on their own ? > > Is it possible to time the Yogas fructification > > to within a week or fortnights time.( Now those > > who answer in the affirmative , I am going to > > request them to please check my Chart for > > the 3 best Yogas, and time them ). > > > > Verification of Yogas in a chart, for Balarishta > > etc, when a child is born and when the Doctors > > say is critical for next 48 hours or so, is > > understandable. But the verification of Yogas > > in a chart just for elation sake, somehow > > intrigues me. > > > > I remember when I was much younger, and had > > purchased the book of 300 Yogas by Shri > > BV Raman, I had sat down to search for respective > > Yogas in my Horoscope. In those days we never > > had access to the software's of today which > > just give us the Yogas present in a chart, at the > > click of a button on the PC screen. Even today > > I check the Yogas manually, lest > > I forget what I learnt from my Brihat Jataka > > Teacher. Anyway I searched and found many Yogas, > > in my Chart. Some frightened me , with the > > results mentioned therein, while the others gave > > me a high.and joy. I remember Budhi aditya yoga > > which we commonly know, in my chart was in Gemini, > > with Mercury and the Lagna Lord Sun therein the > > same sign, in the 11th house. Okay . And the other > > Yoga was Mahabhagya Yoga, where in a day birth > > one has to have the ascendant,Sun and Moon, all > > in odd signs which I did have. (Lagna-Leo,Sun in > > Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius). This gave me a > > big high. > > > > But subsequently what else could I > > do after knowing these Yogas ? Nothing. Except > > feeling happy and waiting for my fortunes to rise, > > which never did, except perhaps for a > > son to carry on the family name, which among > > 5 brothers, only I had. This was Gods grace and > > I translated the Mahabhagya into this result. > > > > But where was the conscious effort to translate > > these Yogas into reality from my side ? None. > > > > Therefore I feel ultimately, searching for > > very many Yogas, and talking much about these, > > would not be the right thing apparently, if one > > has to utilize his time on astrological knowledge. > > Looking at the Yogas in ones own chart, with > > unattached emotions , and then moving ahead > > would be the right attitude. > > > > BUT, for the serious seeker of astro knowledge, > > Yogas are actually the combinations which give > > a constant result, and have been formed on certain > > parameters based on common effects realised > > among various natives, and experienced , by > > the ancient seers, and cannot be overlooked, > > or waived off in the air , if one has to > > search for clues in his chart for the not > > so apparent pointers for many important > > factors in ones LIfe. > > > > But for a ordinary common person, who is not > > a astrologer, it is always better to leave > > all such stuff,after a point of conclusion > > reached, instead of dragging it on continous > > discussions,which may take his own time and > > others time.personally I would not answer the > > query if any native asks me to search for the > > Yogas present in his chart and relate to him. > > > > This was just a personal opinion, and not > > related to anyone on the List. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Savithri, Bhaskar and All, I think (perhaps) the point Bhaskar is trying to make is that the Yogas we find in text books are, generally speaking, a guide only as there can be many (other) conditions that may nullify these yogas. It therefore behoves responsible astrologers to guide novice students towards a deeper study of their (and other's) charts in order to assess the application of specific yogas. Savithri Wrote: ///We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas formed in good houses./// It should be understood that this is, first and foremost, a discussion forum for astrologers and students of astrology. The intention of Jyotish-Vidya is to share our knowledge with one another so that all can deepen their understanding of this Divine science (jyotish). We can do this best by discussing various charts (openly) and explaining the astrological reasoning behind our findings. I have to make it perfectly clear that the intention of this group is not, like some, to offer readings to querists who have no interest in learning jyotish. Members who are in doubt as to the group's intention are advised to read the welcome message at: jyotish-vidya/ Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000 <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:46 PM Re: Re: Yogas ? Should time be spent on them ? Dear Mr Bhaskarji As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and tell the other person that he has so and so yogas. If it is there I mean if really good yogas are there we may tell so. I have also come across people who go around and say they have so many yogas in their charts as told by an Astrologer. Perhaps it gives them hope and encouragement that there is light at the end of the tunnel as the saying goes. savithri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I exactly meant to say what you said. 1) I do not underestimate the value or usage of Yogas. At the same time, I would not give much relevance to them vis a vis in communications with the native in whose chart, these Yogas have been identified,because I may not have the knowledge to see the Bhanga of these Yogas, or may not know all the factors, which may reduce the auspicious effects of the same, therefore I would just mention them to the native , in a cursory manner, giving him only the required happiness till the limit I feel right, and not a iota more, so as not to form a very exalted hope in the mind of native who would be misled into hoping against hope, in future, of some great breakhtroughs in his life, where none may exist. At the same time, looking through the eyes and mind of a astrologer, personally I would certainly go through the chart and mark the Yogas present there, so as to form some opinion in my mind about the strength of the chart . 2) On Forums, if one asks one to check all Yogas present in her/his chart it sounds simply unreasonable.Because why should anyone be expected to spend time on looking for such in anyones chart, without any considerations,of any kind, including knowledge,or some research orientation, and that too for general matters, unless it is a specific Life and death, or very important matter, or just a beautiful jyotish discussion between few astrologers known to exchanging such topics and subjects , with each other. 3) There are hundreds of charts we see every year, wherein there are present Dhana Yogas, Great Rajyogas, and PanchMahapurush or others, but the native owning such charts, seem to be remotely connected to these in real Life. This itself means that all is not what appears to be. The Yogas may 100% be true in results , as mentioned by the Seers and savants, but we may not be aware of other subtelities, like the planets which form the Yogas, may have moved away from the combination in the divisional charts, or else the Yoga may be there, but the native may never see the Mahadasha/antar when this Yoga fructifies, and many such other points too. I am sorry if I have been misunderstood by the members,but these definitely serve as a guide and good tool,but not as final resultant Yogas to one and all, when present in the Natal Charts, which come for inspection. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Savithri, Bhaskar and All, > > I think (perhaps) the point Bhaskar is trying to make is that the Yogas we > find in text books are, generally speaking, a guide only as there can be > many (other) conditions that may nullify these yogas. It therefore behoves > responsible astrologers to guide novice students towards a deeper study of > their (and other's) charts in order to assess the application of specific > yogas. > > Savithri Wrote: > ///We cannot underestimate and write off a chart with good yogas > formed in good houses./// > > It should be understood that this is, first and foremost, a discussion forum > for astrologers and students of astrology. The intention of Jyotish-Vidya is > to share our knowledge with one another so that all can deepen their > understanding of this Divine science (jyotish). > We can do this best by discussing various charts (openly) and explaining the > astrological reasoning behind our findings. > > I have to make it perfectly clear that the intention of this group is not, > like some, to offer readings to querists who have no interest in learning > jyotish. > > Members who are in doubt as to the group's intention are advised to read the > welcome message at: jyotish-vidya/ > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000 > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:46 PM > Re: Re: Yogas ? Should time be spent on them ? > > > Dear Mr Bhaskarji > > As a matured professional you ask is it worthwhile to count the Yogas and > tell the other person that he has so and so yogas. > > If it is there I mean if really good yogas are there we may tell so. > > I have also come across people who go around and say they have so many > yogas in their charts as told by an Astrologer. Perhaps it gives them hope > and encouragement that there is light at the end of the tunnel as the saying > goes. > > savithri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Mr Bhaskar, You made some good points by your messages titled " yogas " ? But all your points just lead to one thing ? BE PESSIMISTIC. I wonder if that is you who really are. There is no point in forcing your view on others by the way.If you don't wish to point out yogas in any chart be that mine or others, just ignore the concerned messages. If some good yogas are there in the chart let that person leave with a little hope. I strongly believe that hope is the basis of life. I wrote the whole thing because your essays on " yogas ? should we spent time on them? " came after I posted yogas in my chart please verify. You may not be knowledgeable of any yogas that nullify the effects of the said yogas. But if others are knowledgeable, they may post it on the forum and let others learn it too. Why can't you think that way? If you got offended by what I wrote, kindly acknowledge the fact that most things that you wrote were offensive to many like me. Thank you for the patient reading. Regards, manasa Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Manasa, Thank you for your honest exposition of what you felt. Believe me I have nothing against any native, but just against astrologers who spend time in looking for yoga,relaying them to the natives, which never fructify, and then the blame going to astrological sciences, which is what I despise. I have seen in many Forums, where natives keep on sending mails on Yogas by the dozen, everyday, and my mail was not the least directed at you. I am sorry if you felt that way. Yes my mail did indeed arrive subsequent to your thread on Yogas, but you are not the only one. There would be takers everywhere, where there are givers, I am happy, that though I do not know you, you at least are knowledgable on astrology, and we did discuss together, on some mails prior to this thread on Yogas,so I did not very much mind when you put that Mail on asking for Yogas. I have my own method of judging the Yogas whether they would work or not,but that may not be acceptable to many, so I do not put it on Forums normally. I have already put certain queries on Yogas. I expect those who are knowledgeable (Except Mrs.Wendy) to reply, and am awaiting for the same. I add 2 more Queries to that List. 1) Those Yogas which are identified in a chart. Would they all work ? 2) If few do not, or majority do not, then why would they not ? I also thank you for your patience, which has not gone unnoticed.You have taken a long time to come back at me ,( after my Posting on Yogas) which I do admire. This would me my last mail on this thread. kind regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , manasa sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote: > > > Dear Mr Bhaskar, > > You made some good points by your messages titled " yogas " ? > But all your points just lead to one thing ? BE PESSIMISTIC. I wonder if that is you who really are. There is no point in forcing your view on others by the way.If you don't wish to point out yogas in any chart be that mine or others, just ignore the concerned messages. If some good yogas are there in the chart let that person leave with a little hope. I strongly believe that hope is the basis of life. > > I wrote the whole thing because your essays on " yogas ? should we spent time on them? " came after I posted yogas in my chart please verify. You may not be knowledgeable of any yogas that nullify the effects of the said yogas. But if others are knowledgeable, they may post it on the forum and let others learn it too. Why can't you think that way? > > If you got offended by what I wrote, kindly acknowledge the fact that most things that you wrote were offensive to many like me. > > Thank you for the patient reading. > Regards, > manasa > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Manasa, I remember (now) you did ask me to check the yogas in your chart. Unfortunately I've been somewhat preoccupied off-list the last couple of days and have to confess it did slip my mind...a tendency I have, I'm afraid :-( You Wrote: ///I was trying to correlate the findings in my chart to definition of the said yogas parijata and Dheemantah. I thought that for a yoga to be powerful one should see from Lagna,sun, moon and Aruda lagna. That's why I mixed up all the findings. Don't know which belongs to which section. But, could you tell me whether I have these two yogas? Before joining the group I thought I have only one parivartana yoga, but in discussions I have been said that i don't have the yoga 'coz of conjunction with malefics. So I was kinda desperate to find any good yogas in my chart, yesterday my eye caught sight of this yoga and I wished this findings to be verified by you honourable members of the group. Any thoughts on my findings will be greatly appreciated./// To the best of my knowledge, dheemantah yoga is formed when lagna lord is associated (in some way) with the 3rd, 5th and 6th bhavas - denoting that the native will have a strong desire to obtain knowledge. For you, although lagnesh Sun in 5th does not seem to reflect this yoga strongly, there are indications that you will be drawn strongly to the pursuit of knowledge. Note: 5th lord Jupiter hemmed-in (in lagna) between 9th lord Mars and Rahu, whilst his (Jupiter's) nakshatra lord owns 3rd and occupies 6th, is a strong indication that you will be drawn very much towards the pursuit of knowledge. You also have a maha-parivartana yoga formed by the exchange of 1st/5th lords. Of course the influence of MA/RA adds another dimension to your basic nature. Sometimes quick to jump in where angels fear to tread, I'd venture to say. You Wrote: ///But all your points just lead to one thing ? BE PESSIMISTIC. I wonder if that is you who really are./// The ever-present danger on these forums is that we can easily mistake the intentions of others. I think initially it's best to give each other the benefit of the doubt, don't you? Calling another names such as pessimistic etc., amounts to a personal attack. This we really should avoid :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " manasa sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:23 PM Re: Re: Yogas ? Should time be spent on them ? Dear Mr Bhaskar, You made some good points by your messages titled " yogas " ? But all your points just lead to one thing ? BE PESSIMISTIC. I wonder if that is you who really are. There is no point in forcing your view on others by the way.If you don't wish to point out yogas in any chart be that mine or others, just ignore the concerned messages. If some good yogas are there in the chart let that person leave with a little hope. I strongly believe that hope is the basis of life. I wrote the whole thing because your essays on " yogas ? should we spent time on them? " came after I posted yogas in my chart please verify. You may not be knowledgeable of any yogas that nullify the effects of the said yogas. But if others are knowledgeable, they may post it on the forum and let others learn it too. Why can't you think that way? If you got offended by what I wrote, kindly acknowledge the fact that most things that you wrote were offensive to many like me. Thank you for the patient reading. Regards, manasa Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail at http://mrd.mail./try_beta?.intl=ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Mrs Wendy, You Wrote: // The ever-present danger on these forums is that we can easily mistake the intentions of others. I think initially it's best to give each other the benefit of the doubt, don't you? Calling another names such as pessimistic etc., amounts to a personal attack. This we really should avoid :-)// From now on, I would give due respect to what you said... Regards, manasa. .. <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> __ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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