Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Note: forwarded message attached. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Respected Kumaria Ji, I also had a similar experience, albeit with devastating effects. My native chart (1-Jupiter, 3-Saturn, 5-Mars/Merc/Sun, 6-Ven/Rah, 7-Moon, 12-Ketu) had the following varshphal for last year: 1-Mars/Sun/Mercury 5-Ketu 6-Venus/Rahu 8-Moon 9-Saturn 11-Jupiter I was told to do the following upayes by a Lal Kitab astrologer: 1. Bury 6 blue flowers at crossroads 2. Bury honey in cemetary 3. Wear a pukhraj 4. Tilak of saffron for 43 days I did all of these upayes with utmost care, respect and sincerity. After doing the first upaye, my sexual energies began to weaken and I also had further problems in securing a compatible partner for marriage. Whatever girls I was speaking with simply stopped communicating with me all of a sudden. I also was not able to find a job that was satisfactory, and instead only received work which was 30% less in compensation than before I did the upayes. After completing upaye #2, I began to feel increased anxiety and my blood pressure elevated. So much so, that I was admitted into hospital because of severe blood pressure. I also had arguments and falling out with my brother, as well as lack of support from superior officers at work and overall disagreements and disputes with my mother. After completing upaye #3, I became very depressed and after wearing the pukhraj for a few days I felt like forsaking everything and becoming a sadhu in the forest. All happiness in my life had depleted and I felt suicidal. After completing upaye #4, I got some reprieve, but not before I lost two pairs of black glasses and also a pair of shiny black shoes. Each time I completed the upayes but didn't get the positive effects, I was also questioned by my astrologer (name withheld) that there was no way his remedies or analysis could be wrong. In some cases, I was accused of having lied or having done other upayes that I had withheld. All of this was not the case, as I whole-heartedly relied only on the astrologer's advice. He assured me that per Lal Kitab, all the remedies were correct and that perhaps my time of birth was wrong!! He even advised me that according to Lal Kitab, pukhraj was most suitable for me. To this day, despite searching the original and translated versions, I cannot find his supporting evidence. Shocked, saddenned and totally disillusioned with the Lal Kitab astrologer, I felt like I should try to de-toxify my body and spirit and so I removed the pukhraj. Immediately, I started feeling better and things began to stablize for me. Interestingly, when I went to sell this stone, it was worth only 10% of what the astrologer had charged me for it (55,000 rupees), despite the fact that since then over 5 other Lal Kitab astrologers have advised me that to wear pukhraj would not suit me and be detrimental for me. The point of this narration is that I had the following so-called "benefits" from an astrologer who practices Lal Kitab: 1. Loss of a high-level executive job paying in six figures (USD) 2. Severe high blood pressure and overall bad health 3. Time in jail 4. Problems with family, especially brother and mother 5. Delay in finding a suitable partner for marriage The point of me sharing these most intimate and painful memories with you, is that in many cases people will accuse you of doing things when their analysis is wrong or when their upayes fail miserably. Some people cannot admit they are wrong. Their ego gets the better of them. Have faith in yourself and your truthfulness. There is something called Hubris, which in Ancient Greek writings and plays was used to describe the actions by people when they place themselves above God, and feel they cannot be wrong ever. This "Munh" or ego will lead to their downfall. Be wary of people who act this way - if the remedies you have done, or any analysis you have been given is incorrect, simply have the courage to walk away. Nobody is above God, and anyone who treats you in such a manner will pay the dire consequences thrice over. I am here to support you, and if I can help you, I am at your service. There is a chorus of people who use astrology as a front for a business - Lal Kitab was not meant to be that way. It was designed to be accurate and simple and for the benefit of all simple folk. The person analyzing using Lal Kitab could be inaccurate, but Lal Kitab itself is like a Gospel. Had it not been for the love and support I had received from people from this board, I would not have been able to get through these very tragic experiences. Learn from my experience, and have trust in the mighty Lal Kitab and your own god-given gift as an astrologer inside you: Par Par Alam Kazal Hoya Kithe Apnay Aap Noo Puryahee Nahin Ja Ja Varda Mandir Maseetha Kithe Apnay Andir Thoo Varyahee Nahin (Paraphrased from Bulle Shah) Subko Sadar Pranam, Iqbal Toronto, Canada "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote: Respected Shukla jiWell with all due regards your analysis was far away from realty and my birth time is correct and verified by other astrologers. Also I do'nt think that my previous answers matched with your previous questions/analysis exactly and its your interpretation that you are correct..Infact some of my answers do not match at all with your previous analysis. Also I do not see you making any future predcitions at all and you just keep insisting on intoxications, meats etc., and now surprizingly you want me to acknowledge that also, when you say, "But this possibility cant be here becoz here isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept"...So all this is due to your analysis going wrong SOFAR and now you are getting desperate to get some acknowledgment from myside that you are right and I am wrong...THE FACT IS THAT I DO NOT TAKE DRINKS AND DO NOT EAT ANY MEATS, GOAT MEATS ETC ETC AND THAT I AM A VEGETARIAN... since you are using the red fonts repeatedly on internet and so i am forced to say all this, since i know that hundreds of people are reading these interactions.So its time(with all due regards) for you to do your analyis again and come up with some future predictions or some past predictions with dates, otherwise its hard for me to acknowledge that you are right. You can take it as a challenge, if you have time, and ofcourse I am seriously hurt by your style of making me acknowledge wrong things about myself(just to prove that you are right when infact nothing is right here sofar), so your words like " Plz don mind" are actually an insult after writing same things again and again in red fonts. Any serious person in my place will be hurt by your style and I am not above all here. Please put yourself in my place and try to read all you red font sentences again and I am sure that you will understand my viewpoint(finally you simply said that may be birthtime is not correct and yet continue writing in red fonts all the time, as if you are avoiding any responsibility from your own analysis and simply walking away!!!). yes i am seriously hurt here. I am not hurt by your sentences or by your analysis but really hurt by your repeated insistence on same thing in every email and that too on the internet, where hundreds are reading these messages. OM NAMO SHIVAY AND JAI MATA DI.Thanks and RegardsRajesh Kumarialalkitab , lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> Respected Kumaria Ji> I analyzed ur kundli properly as i promissed with u,If any other opinion of other experts i welcome.Otherwise one person is wrong between both of us.But this possibility cant be here becoz here isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept.So it may be possible that ur time of birth or ur situation at present may be differ.My analyzations r specially in the perview of ur debts & the situation of as a starveling about u.I think then at present is nt like this situation of u.Ok but remedials r as it is.If u want to continue then u can.At other side i want to say that except the remedy of elephant all r possible in each country.some problem may be about the remedy of goat also.So if u r sure about ur birthtime & date u can do remedies suggested by me otherwise not.At next step with some hasitation i want to say that people demand the remedies which should be easiest to do according to lalkitab.But it is my personal experience in my practice that when person suffers from the> worst condition of health & fate ,he does all with all efforts.Bcoz he has no option & even he has no thought to think any option.Otherwise agar uskaa life systyem jaise taise chaltaa hai to chalaane ki koshish hi kartaa hai use proper karne ki nahi.Ab agar kisi doctor se koi medicine lene jaaye aur bole ki medicine meri marzi ke anusaar likho to aap khud jaan saktey ho ki doctor per kyaa beetegi.I think lalkitab se SST (sasti ,sunder, Tikaoo "Durable") remedies aur kahin available nahi hain.> Plz don mind> With regards> Lalkitabee (Private Counsellor)> > > > > > for Good> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 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Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Respected Iqbal Ji, First of all, I want to express my gratitude and thanks for supporting me through this complex analysis which really hurt my feelings and shocked me tremendously. I agree with your view points and I am also shocked to learn that you had to go through so much hardships based on wrong analysis by some astrologers. Actually wrong analysis can happen by anyone but the point is when the astrologer does not admit it and the client gets hurt tremendously (financially, healthwise and mentally) then it becomes more shocking. Also I always feel that the astrologer should be polite in his/her analysis and not become too strong on some wrong points which have no link with reality. Also red fonts and bold red fonts only hurt people and are reserved for school papers only. When one is requesting an astrologer than obviously that person has real problems and is in pain, yet some people have taken me as master puzzle creator etc and what not. So its a double insult that on one side one is suffering financially and physically , yet on the other side the astrologer is simply not ready to believe it...what else can be more painful. I have seen several people's chart and tried to help them astrologically without making any accusations, impositions etc., on their food habits etc., If I am wrong in my analysis, I will recalcuate everything and try to undersatnd it again, rather than mentioing that the birth time is wrong and as I am a Great Guru. Even Great Gurus can go wrong several times due to several factors and circumstances beyond their control. I think LALKITAB must have great logic and astrological background(divine power) behind it and these harsh predictions are just an astrologer's own limitations. I have to send this email throigh other lalkitab groups since looks like the moderator of lalkitab group is not allowing my last email to be published. So RESPECTED UMESH JI Please pardon me for this email, since this has nothing to do with your GREAT EFFORTS and your services. Iqbal ji, I wish you better financial and health times and all the best. Thanks for your support again Sir. JAI MATA DI and OM NAMO SHIVAY WITH REGARDS Rajesh Kumaria. lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote: > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > Respected Kumaria Ji, > > I also had a similar experience, albeit with devastating effects. My native chart (1-Jupiter, 3-Saturn, 5-Mars/Merc/Sun, 6-Ven/Rah, 7- Moon, 12-Ketu) had the following varshphal for last year: > > 1-Mars/Sun/Mercury > 5-Ketu > 6-Venus/Rahu > 8-Moon > 9-Saturn > 11-Jupiter > > I was told to do the following upayes by a Lal Kitab astrologer: > > 1. Bury 6 blue flowers at crossroads > 2. Bury honey in cemetary > 3. Wear a pukhraj > 4. Tilak of saffron for 43 days > > I did all of these upayes with utmost care, respect and sincerity. After doing the first upaye, my sexual energies began to weaken and I also had further problems in securing a compatible partner for marriage. Whatever girls I was speaking with simply stopped communicating with me all of a sudden. I also was not able to find a job that was satisfactory, and instead only received work which was 30% less in compensation than before I did the upayes. > > After completing upaye #2, I began to feel increased anxiety and my blood pressure elevated. So much so, that I was admitted into hospital because of severe blood pressure. I also had arguments and falling out with my brother, as well as lack of support from superior officers at work and overall disagreements and disputes with my mother. > > After completing upaye #3, I became very depressed and after wearing the pukhraj for a few days I felt like forsaking everything and becoming a sadhu in the forest. All happiness in my life had depleted and I felt suicidal. > > After completing upaye #4, I got some reprieve, but not before I lost two pairs of black glasses and also a pair of shiny black shoes. > > Each time I completed the upayes but didn't get the positive effects, I was also questioned by my astrologer (name withheld) that there was no way his remedies or analysis could be wrong. In some cases, I was accused of having lied or having done other upayes that I had withheld. All of this was not the case, as I whole-heartedly relied only on the astrologer's advice. He assured me that per Lal Kitab, all the remedies were correct and that perhaps my time of birth was wrong!! He even advised me that according to Lal Kitab, pukhraj was most suitable for me. To this day, despite searching the original and translated versions, I cannot find his supporting evidence. > > Shocked, saddenned and totally disillusioned with the Lal Kitab astrologer, I felt like I should try to de-toxify my body and spirit and so I removed the pukhraj. Immediately, I started feeling better and things began to stablize for me. Interestingly, when I went to sell this stone, it was worth only 10% of what the astrologer had charged me for it (55,000 rupees), despite the fact that since then over 5 other Lal Kitab astrologers have advised me that to wear pukhraj would not suit me and be detrimental for me. > > The point of this narration is that I had the following so- called " benefits " from an astrologer who practices Lal Kitab: > > 1. Loss of a high-level executive job paying in six figures (USD) > 2. Severe high blood pressure and overall bad health > 3. Time in jail > 4. Problems with family, especially brother and mother > 5. Delay in finding a suitable partner for marriage > > The point of me sharing these most intimate and painful memories with you, is that in many cases people will accuse you of doing things when their analysis is wrong or when their upayes fail miserably. Some people cannot admit they are wrong. Their ego gets the better of them. Have faith in yourself and your truthfulness. There is something called Hubris, which in Ancient Greek writings and plays was used to describe the actions by people when they place themselves above God, and feel they cannot be wrong ever. This " Munh " or ego will lead to their downfall. Be wary of people who act this way - if the remedies you have done, or any analysis you have been given is incorrect, simply have the courage to walk away. Nobody is above God, and anyone who treats you in such a manner will pay the dire consequences thrice over. > > I am here to support you, and if I can help you, I am at your service. There is a chorus of people who use astrology as a front for a business - Lal Kitab was not meant to be that way. It was designed to be accurate and simple and for the benefit of all simple folk. The person analyzing using Lal Kitab could be inaccurate, but Lal Kitab itself is like a Gospel. > > Had it not been for the love and support I had received from people from this board, I would not have been able to get through these very tragic experiences. Learn from my experience, and have trust in the mighty Lal Kitab and your own god-given gift as an astrologer inside you: > > Par Par Alam Kazal Hoya > Kithe Apnay Aap Noo Puryahee Nahin > Ja Ja Varda Mandir Maseetha > Kithe Apnay Andir Thoo Varyahee Nahin > (Paraphrased from Bulle Shah) > > Subko Sadar Pranam, > > Iqbal > Toronto, Canada > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > Respected Shukla ji > Well with all due regards your analysis was far away from realty and > my birth time is correct and verified by other astrologers. Also I > do'nt think that my previous answers matched with your previous > questions/analysis exactly and its your interpretation that you are > correct..Infact some of my answers do not match at all with your > previous analysis. Also I do not see you making any future > predcitions at all and you just keep insisting on intoxications, > meats etc., and now surprizingly you want me to acknowledge that > also, when you say, " But this possibility cant be here becoz here > isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept " ...So all > this is due to your analysis going wrong SOFAR and now you are > getting desperate to get some acknowledgment from myside that you > are right and I am wrong...THE FACT IS THAT I DO NOT TAKE DRINKS AND > DO NOT EAT ANY MEATS, GOAT MEATS ETC ETC AND THAT I AM A > VEGETARIAN... since you are using the red fonts repeatedly on > internet and so i am forced to say all this, since i know that > hundreds of people are reading these interactions. > > > So its time(with all due regards) for you to do your analyis again > and come up with some future predictions or some past predictions > with dates, otherwise its hard for me to acknowledge that you are > right. You can take it as a challenge, if you have time, and > ofcourse I am seriously hurt by your style of making me acknowledge > wrong things about myself(just to prove that you are right when > infact nothing is right here sofar), so your words like " Plz don > mind " are actually an insult after writing same things again and > again in red fonts. Any serious person in my place will be hurt by > your style and I am not above all here. Please put yourself in my > place and try to read all you red font sentences again and I am sure > that you will understand my viewpoint(finally you simply said that > may be birthtime is not correct and yet continue writing in red > fonts all the time, as if you are avoiding any responsibility from > your own analysis and simply walking away!!!). yes i am seriously > hurt here. I am not hurt by your sentences or by your analysis but > really hurt by your repeated insistence on same thing in every email > and that too on the internet, where hundreds are reading these > messages. OM NAMO SHIVAY AND JAI MATA DI. > Thanks and Regards > Rajesh Kumaria > > lalkitab , lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote: > > Respected Kumaria Ji > > I analyzed ur kundli properly as i promissed with u,If any other > opinion of other experts i welcome.Otherwise one person is wrong > between both of us.But this possibility cant be here becoz here isnt > such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept.So it may be > possible that ur time of birth or ur situation at present may be > differ.My analyzations r specially in the perview of ur debts & the > situation of as a starveling about u.I think then at present is nt > like this situation of u.Ok but remedials r as it is.If u want to > continue then u can.At other side i want to say that except the > remedy of elephant all r possible in each country.some problem may > be about the remedy of goat also.So if u r sure about ur birthtime & > date u can do remedies suggested by me otherwise not.At next step > with some hasitation i want to say that people demand the remedies > which should be easiest to do according to lalkitab.But it is my > personal experience in my practice that when person suffers from the > > worst condition of health & fate ,he does all with all > efforts.Bcoz he has no option & even he has no thought to think any > option.Otherwise agar uskaa life systyem jaise taise chaltaa hai to > chalaane ki koshish hi kartaa hai use proper karne ki nahi.Ab agar > kisi doctor se koi medicine lene jaaye aur bole ki medicine meri > marzi ke anusaar likho to aap khud jaan saktey ho ki doctor per kyaa > beetegi.I think lalkitab se SST (sasti ,sunder, Tikaoo " Durable " ) > remedies aur kahin available nahi hain. > > Plz don mind > > With regards > > Lalkitabee (Private Counsellor) > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. 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Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Respected Rajesh Bhai, Thank you for your kind words of support. Like you, I have also been prevented by posting this exact note on the lalkitab forum by Punit Pandey, for he said that it was not constructive to the overall forum. Despite my tragedies, I kept a brave face and used humble words in describing my experiences, and the moderators of the forum prevented me from even expressing my pain on the forum. You will not believe perhaps, but the person in question is also Shri. Vipin Shukla Ji from Ambala, known as Lalkitabee. He treated me in the same manner as he treated you, only worse. Firstly, he sold me a pukhraj stone which he said according to Lal Kitab was suitable for people with Jupiter in lagna. He said it would help bring about speedy marriage, and then sold it to me for 55,000 rupees. He called it Ganpati Pukhraj, and said that it was most rare. You already know the results, but interestingly, there is no mention of wearing Pukhraj for either Jupiter in lagna or for speedy marriage in Lal Kitab in any of the versions or translations I have read. Secondly, when I confronted Lalkitabee about all of these incidents and experiences, he treated me the exact same way as he did to you. He told me he was a businessman FIRST and astrologer second, and that even though he promised to return my money for the pukhraj he said now he could not. He told me my date of birth or even the day was wrong, as his predictions could never be wrong - can you believe this? When I got the stone appraised, it was only worth between 5000 to 10000 K rupees, and that according to Toronto's top-most jewellers who also laughed when I told him Lalkitabee said it was a Ganpati pukhraj. The jeweller said it was a "Ganpati for this Lalkitabee from Ambala" as he ripped you off. On top of all this, he told me his business was so swift in Ambala and that his lalkitabee name was so profitable for him, that he didn't even care if people reported his inaccuracies or the way he treated me. I called Shukla Ji my bada bhai and treated him like the older brother I never had. I have spent over one lakh rupees in just phone bills in trying to speak with him, contact him and ask him what to do when all of the remedies he told me had the opposite effects. On top of it all, the day I was released from hospital for severe blood pressure, I called him to ask when he would return my money. Rajesh bhai, he YELLED at me on the phone and told me I was a Befkoof if I thought he would return my money. This is when he told me that for him, Lal Kitab was a business. That night, I had tears in my eyes as I could not believe how someone I called my brother and for whom I had so much affection and I looked up to, could turn around and treat me this way. Not only that, but looking at my situation, and the total losses for the year which had piled up to thousands of $USD, I felt saddenned more by the way he treated me without any regard for my health, my situation or the fact that I am a fellow human being. In his note to you on the lalkitab forum, he wrote that he prescribed sasti aur sunder remedies. Bhai, I think you can see that my experiences were anything but sasti aur sunder, and that I had one of the worst possible years of my life because of Lalkitabee's remedies of Lal Kitab. On the other forum, there is a Lal Kitab Company, which includes some of the moderators. They are hopeful to start selling more gems, stones and come out with other websites. Was this the Lal Kitab samaj seva that Pandit ji had envisioned? I am humble, and granted I do not know much - As far as I am concerned I am the dust on the feet of all the learned practitioners of Lal Kitab on these forums. What I do know without a shadow of a doubt however, is that I was treated like a dog by Lalkitabee and he did not show any compassion or regard for the results of me carrying out his remedies. In case anyone would like further information about my experiences, they can feel free to write me on my email. While I swallowed the hurt and pain of my own experience, when I saw that you were also getting the same treatment I could not allow myself to permit Lalkitabee to treat you the same way. Funny enough, he tried sending me private messages only yesterday when he saw that I was speaking up about my pain and suffering. But rest assured, the appropriate authorities at the highest levels know about this case in the appropriate jurisdictions. I feel that the points you mentioned were valid - Even through these painful experiences, I feel closer to you and am glad that we are guru-bhais in terms of Lal Kitab. Let us work together to prevent other victims in having to experience this mental trauma or negative effect of improper gemstones, as nobody should be treated uncompassionately and without a sense of politeness and decorum. I am looking forward to our new friendship ... thank you Umesh Bhai for providing a forum where we can share our experiences openly and without the censorship of the Lal Kitab Company. Affectionately, Iqbal Toronto, Canada"Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote: Respected Iqbal Ji,First of all, I want to express my gratitude and thanks for supporting me through this complex analysis which really hurt my feelings and shocked me tremendously. I agree with your view points and I am also shocked to learn that you had to go through so much hardships based on wrong analysis by some astrologers. Actually wrong analysis can happen by anyone but the point is when the astrologer does not admit it and the client gets hurt tremendously(financially, healthwise and mentally) then it becomes more shocking. Also I always feel that the astrologer should be polite in his/her analysis and not become too strong on some wrong points which have no link with reality. Also red fonts and bold red fonts only hurt people and are reserved for school papers only. When one is requesting an astrologer than obviously that person has real problems and is in pain, yet some people have taken me as master puzzle creator etc and what not. So its a double insult that on one side one is suffering financially and physically , yet on the other side the astrologer is simply not ready to believe it...what else can be more painful. I have seen several people's chart and tried to help them astrologically without making any accusations, impositions etc., on their food habits etc., If I am wrong in my analysis, I will recalcuate everything and try to undersatnd it again, rather than mentioing that the birth time is wrong and as I am a Great Guru. Even Great Gurus can go wrong several times due to several factors and circumstances beyond their control. I think LALKITAB must have great logic and astrological background(divine power) behind it and these harsh predictions are just an astrologer's own limitations. I have to send this email throigh other lalkitab groups since looks like the moderator of lalkitab group is not allowing my last email to be published. So RESPECTED UMESH JI Please pardon me for this email, since this has nothing to do with your GREAT EFFORTS and your services. Iqbal ji, I wish you better financial and health times and all the best. Thanks for your support again Sir. JAI MATA DI and OM NAMO SHIVAYWITH REGARDSRajesh Kumaria.lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> > > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > > for Good> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > Respected Kumaria Ji,> > I also had a similar experience, albeit with devastating effects. My native chart (1-Jupiter, 3-Saturn, 5-Mars/Merc/Sun, 6-Ven/Rah, 7-Moon, 12-Ketu) had the following varshphal for last year:> > 1-Mars/Sun/Mercury> 5-Ketu> 6-Venus/Rahu> 8-Moon> 9-Saturn> 11-Jupiter> > I was told to do the following upayes by a Lal Kitab astrologer:> > 1. Bury 6 blue flowers at crossroads> 2. Bury honey in cemetary> 3. Wear a pukhraj> 4. Tilak of saffron for 43 days> > I did all of these upayes with utmost care, respect and sincerity. After doing the first upaye, my sexual energies began to weaken and I also had further problems in securing a compatible partner for marriage. Whatever girls I was speaking with simply stopped communicating with me all of a sudden. I also was not able to find a job that was satisfactory, and instead only received work which was 30% less in compensation than before I did the upayes.> > After completing upaye #2, I began to feel increased anxiety and my blood pressure elevated. So much so, that I was admitted into hospital because of severe blood pressure. I also had arguments and falling out with my brother, as well as lack of support from superior officers at work and overall disagreements and disputes with my mother.> > After completing upaye #3, I became very depressed and after wearing the pukhraj for a few days I felt like forsaking everything and becoming a sadhu in the forest. All happiness in my life had depleted and I felt suicidal.> > After completing upaye #4, I got some reprieve, but not before I lost two pairs of black glasses and also a pair of shiny black shoes.> > Each time I completed the upayes but didn't get the positive effects, I was also questioned by my astrologer (name withheld) that there was no way his remedies or analysis could be wrong. In some cases, I was accused of having lied or having done other upayes that I had withheld. All of this was not the case, as I whole-heartedly relied only on the astrologer's advice. He assured me that per Lal Kitab, all the remedies were correct and that perhaps my time of birth was wrong!! He even advised me that according to Lal Kitab, pukhraj was most suitable for me. To this day, despite searching the original and translated versions, I cannot find his supporting evidence.> > Shocked, saddenned and totally disillusioned with the Lal Kitab astrologer, I felt like I should try to de-toxify my body and spirit and so I removed the pukhraj. Immediately, I started feeling better and things began to stablize for me. Interestingly, when I went to sell this stone, it was worth only 10% of what the astrologer had charged me for it (55,000 rupees), despite the fact that since then over 5 other Lal Kitab astrologers have advised me that to wear pukhraj would not suit me and be detrimental for me.> > The point of this narration is that I had the following so-called "benefits" from an astrologer who practices Lal Kitab:> > 1. Loss of a high-level executive job paying in six figures (USD)> 2. Severe high blood pressure and overall bad health> 3. Time in jail> 4. Problems with family, especially brother and mother> 5. Delay in finding a suitable partner for marriage> > The point of me sharing these most intimate and painful memories with you, is that in many cases people will accuse you of doing things when their analysis is wrong or when their upayes fail miserably. Some people cannot admit they are wrong. Their ego gets the better of them. Have faith in yourself and your truthfulness. There is something called Hubris, which in Ancient Greek writings and plays was used to describe the actions by people when they place themselves above God, and feel they cannot be wrong ever. This "Munh" or ego will lead to their downfall. Be wary of people who act this way - if the remedies you have done, or any analysis you have been given is incorrect, simply have the courage to walk away. Nobody is above God, and anyone who treats you in such a manner will pay the dire consequences thrice over.> > I am here to support you, and if I can help you, I am at your service. There is a chorus of people who use astrology as a front for a business - Lal Kitab was not meant to be that way. It was designed to be accurate and simple and for the benefit of all simple folk. The person analyzing using Lal Kitab could be inaccurate, but Lal Kitab itself is like a Gospel.> > Had it not been for the love and support I had received from people from this board, I would not have been able to get through these very tragic experiences. Learn from my experience, and have trust in the mighty Lal Kitab and your own god-given gift as an astrologer inside you:> > Par Par Alam Kazal Hoya> Kithe Apnay Aap Noo Puryahee Nahin> Ja Ja Varda Mandir Maseetha> Kithe Apnay Andir Thoo Varyahee Nahin> (Paraphrased from Bulle Shah)> > Subko Sadar Pranam,> > Iqbal> Toronto, Canada> > > > "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> Respected Shukla ji> Well with all due regards your analysis was far away from realty and > my birth time is correct and verified by other astrologers. Also I > do'nt think that my previous answers matched with your previous > questions/analysis exactly and its your interpretation that you are > correct..Infact some of my answers do not match at all with your > previous analysis. Also I do not see you making any future > predcitions at all and you just keep insisting on intoxications, > meats etc., and now surprizingly you want me to acknowledge that > also, when you say, "But this possibility cant be here becoz here > isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept"...So all > this is due to your analysis going wrong SOFAR and now you are > getting desperate to get some acknowledgment from myside that you > are right and I am wrong...THE FACT IS THAT I DO NOT TAKE DRINKS AND > DO NOT EAT ANY MEATS, GOAT MEATS ETC ETC AND THAT I AM A > VEGETARIAN... since you are using the red fonts repeatedly on > internet and so i am forced to say all this, since i know that > hundreds of people are reading these interactions.> > > So its time(with all due regards) for you to do your analyis again > and come up with some future predictions or some past predictions > with dates, otherwise its hard for me to acknowledge that you are > right. You can take it as a challenge, if you have time, and > ofcourse I am seriously hurt by your style of making me acknowledge > wrong things about myself(just to prove that you are right when > infact nothing is right here sofar), so your words like " Plz don > mind" are actually an insult after writing same things again and > again in red fonts. Any serious person in my place will be hurt by > your style and I am not above all here. Please put yourself in my > place and try to read all you red font sentences again and I am sure > that you will understand my viewpoint(finally you simply said that > may be birthtime is not correct and yet continue writing in red > fonts all the time, as if you are avoiding any responsibility from > your own analysis and simply walking away!!!). yes i am seriously > hurt here. I am not hurt by your sentences or by your analysis but > really hurt by your repeated insistence on same thing in every email > and that too on the internet, where hundreds are reading these > messages. OM NAMO SHIVAY AND JAI MATA DI.> Thanks and Regards> Rajesh Kumaria> > lalkitab , lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> > Respected Kumaria Ji> > I analyzed ur kundli properly as i promissed with u,If any other > opinion of other experts i welcome.Otherwise one person is wrong > between both of us.But this possibility cant be here becoz here isnt > such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept.So it may be > possible that ur time of birth or ur situation at present may be > differ.My analyzations r specially in the perview of ur debts & the > situation of as a starveling about u.I think then at present is nt > like this situation of u.Ok but remedials r as it is.If u want to > continue then u can.At other side i want to say that except the > remedy of elephant all r possible in each country.some problem may > be about the remedy of goat also.So if u r sure about ur birthtime & > date u can do remedies suggested by me otherwise not.At next step > with some hasitation i want to say that people demand the remedies > which should be easiest to do according to lalkitab.But it is my > personal experience in my practice that when person suffers from the> > worst condition of health & fate ,he does all with all > efforts.Bcoz he has no option & even he has no thought to think any > option.Otherwise agar uskaa life systyem jaise taise chaltaa hai to > chalaane ki koshish hi kartaa hai use proper karne ki nahi.Ab agar > kisi doctor se koi medicine lene jaaye aur bole ki medicine meri > marzi ke anusaar likho to aap khud jaan saktey ho ki doctor per kyaa > beetegi.I think lalkitab se SST (sasti ,sunder, Tikaoo "Durable") > remedies aur kahin available nahi hain.> > Plz don mind> > With regards> > Lalkitabee (Private Counsellor)> > > > > > > > > > > > for Good> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Respected Forum Members, In case there is anybody else who has also suffered fraud or who is OWED money like me from Shukla Ji (LALKITABEE) please let me know the details and we can provide your details/experiences or contracts (written/oral) as an addendum to the current written record. Regards. Iqbal "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote: Respected Iqbal Ji,First of all, I want to express my gratitude and thanks for supporting me through this complex analysis which really hurt my feelings and shocked me tremendously. I agree with your view points and I am also shocked to learn that you had to go through so much hardships based on wrong analysis by some astrologers. Actually wrong analysis can happen by anyone but the point is when the astrologer does not admit it and the client gets hurt tremendously(financially, healthwise and mentally) then it becomes more shocking. Also I always feel that the astrologer should be polite in his/her analysis and not become too strong on some wrong points which have no link with reality. Also red fonts and bold red fonts only hurt people and are reserved for school papers only. When one is requesting an astrologer than obviously that person has real problems and is in pain, yet some people have taken me as master puzzle creator etc and what not. So its a double insult that on one side one is suffering financially and physically , yet on the other side the astrologer is simply not ready to believe it...what else can be more painful. I have seen several people's chart and tried to help them astrologically without making any accusations, impositions etc., on their food habits etc., If I am wrong in my analysis, I will recalcuate everything and try to undersatnd it again, rather than mentioing that the birth time is wrong and as I am a Great Guru. Even Great Gurus can go wrong several times due to several factors and circumstances beyond their control. I think LALKITAB must have great logic and astrological background(divine power) behind it and these harsh predictions are just an astrologer's own limitations. I have to send this email throigh other lalkitab groups since looks like the moderator of lalkitab group is not allowing my last email to be published. So RESPECTED UMESH JI Please pardon me for this email, since this has nothing to do with your GREAT EFFORTS and your services. Iqbal ji, I wish you better financial and health times and all the best. Thanks for your support again Sir. JAI MATA DI and OM NAMO SHIVAYWITH REGARDSRajesh Kumaria.lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote:> > > Note: forwarded message attached.> > > > for Good> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > Respected Kumaria Ji,> > I also had a similar experience, albeit with devastating effects. My native chart (1-Jupiter, 3-Saturn, 5-Mars/Merc/Sun, 6-Ven/Rah, 7-Moon, 12-Ketu) had the following varshphal for last year:> > 1-Mars/Sun/Mercury> 5-Ketu> 6-Venus/Rahu> 8-Moon> 9-Saturn> 11-Jupiter> > I was told to do the following upayes by a Lal Kitab astrologer:> > 1. Bury 6 blue flowers at crossroads> 2. Bury honey in cemetary> 3. Wear a pukhraj> 4. Tilak of saffron for 43 days> > I did all of these upayes with utmost care, respect and sincerity. After doing the first upaye, my sexual energies began to weaken and I also had further problems in securing a compatible partner for marriage. Whatever girls I was speaking with simply stopped communicating with me all of a sudden. I also was not able to find a job that was satisfactory, and instead only received work which was 30% less in compensation than before I did the upayes.> > After completing upaye #2, I began to feel increased anxiety and my blood pressure elevated. So much so, that I was admitted into hospital because of severe blood pressure. I also had arguments and falling out with my brother, as well as lack of support from superior officers at work and overall disagreements and disputes with my mother.> > After completing upaye #3, I became very depressed and after wearing the pukhraj for a few days I felt like forsaking everything and becoming a sadhu in the forest. All happiness in my life had depleted and I felt suicidal.> > After completing upaye #4, I got some reprieve, but not before I lost two pairs of black glasses and also a pair of shiny black shoes.> > Each time I completed the upayes but didn't get the positive effects, I was also questioned by my astrologer (name withheld) that there was no way his remedies or analysis could be wrong. In some cases, I was accused of having lied or having done other upayes that I had withheld. All of this was not the case, as I whole-heartedly relied only on the astrologer's advice. He assured me that per Lal Kitab, all the remedies were correct and that perhaps my time of birth was wrong!! He even advised me that according to Lal Kitab, pukhraj was most suitable for me. To this day, despite searching the original and translated versions, I cannot find his supporting evidence.> > Shocked, saddenned and totally disillusioned with the Lal Kitab astrologer, I felt like I should try to de-toxify my body and spirit and so I removed the pukhraj. Immediately, I started feeling better and things began to stablize for me. Interestingly, when I went to sell this stone, it was worth only 10% of what the astrologer had charged me for it (55,000 rupees), despite the fact that since then over 5 other Lal Kitab astrologers have advised me that to wear pukhraj would not suit me and be detrimental for me.> > The point of this narration is that I had the following so-called "benefits" from an astrologer who practices Lal Kitab:> > 1. Loss of a high-level executive job paying in six figures (USD)> 2. Severe high blood pressure and overall bad health> 3. Time in jail> 4. Problems with family, especially brother and mother> 5. Delay in finding a suitable partner for marriage> > The point of me sharing these most intimate and painful memories with you, is that in many cases people will accuse you of doing things when their analysis is wrong or when their upayes fail miserably. Some people cannot admit they are wrong. Their ego gets the better of them. Have faith in yourself and your truthfulness. There is something called Hubris, which in Ancient Greek writings and plays was used to describe the actions by people when they place themselves above God, and feel they cannot be wrong ever. This "Munh" or ego will lead to their downfall. Be wary of people who act this way - if the remedies you have done, or any analysis you have been given is incorrect, simply have the courage to walk away. Nobody is above God, and anyone who treats you in such a manner will pay the dire consequences thrice over.> > I am here to support you, and if I can help you, I am at your service. There is a chorus of people who use astrology as a front for a business - Lal Kitab was not meant to be that way. It was designed to be accurate and simple and for the benefit of all simple folk. The person analyzing using Lal Kitab could be inaccurate, but Lal Kitab itself is like a Gospel.> > Had it not been for the love and support I had received from people from this board, I would not have been able to get through these very tragic experiences. Learn from my experience, and have trust in the mighty Lal Kitab and your own god-given gift as an astrologer inside you:> > Par Par Alam Kazal Hoya> Kithe Apnay Aap Noo Puryahee Nahin> Ja Ja Varda Mandir Maseetha> Kithe Apnay Andir Thoo Varyahee Nahin> (Paraphrased from Bulle Shah)> > Subko Sadar Pranam,> > Iqbal> Toronto, Canada> > > > "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:> Respected Shukla ji> Well with all due regards your analysis was far away from realty and > my birth time is correct and verified by other astrologers. Also I > do'nt think that my previous answers matched with your previous > questions/analysis exactly and its your interpretation that you are > correct..Infact some of my answers do not match at all with your > previous analysis. Also I do not see you making any future > predcitions at all and you just keep insisting on intoxications, > meats etc., and now surprizingly you want me to acknowledge that > also, when you say, "But this possibility cant be here becoz here > isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept"...So all > this is due to your analysis going wrong SOFAR and now you are > getting desperate to get some acknowledgment from myside that you > are right and I am wrong...THE FACT IS THAT I DO NOT TAKE DRINKS AND > DO NOT EAT ANY MEATS, GOAT MEATS ETC ETC AND THAT I AM A > VEGETARIAN... since you are using the red fonts repeatedly on > internet and so i am forced to say all this, since i know that > hundreds of people are reading these interactions.> > > So its time(with all due regards) for you to do your analyis again > and come up with some future predictions or some past predictions > with dates, otherwise its hard for me to acknowledge that you are > right. You can take it as a challenge, if you have time, and > ofcourse I am seriously hurt by your style of making me acknowledge > wrong things about myself(just to prove that you are right when > infact nothing is right here sofar), so your words like " Plz don > mind" are actually an insult after writing same things again and > again in red fonts. Any serious person in my place will be hurt by > your style and I am not above all here. Please put yourself in my > place and try to read all you red font sentences again and I am sure > that you will understand my viewpoint(finally you simply said that > may be birthtime is not correct and yet continue writing in red > fonts all the time, as if you are avoiding any responsibility from > your own analysis and simply walking away!!!). yes i am seriously > hurt here. I am not hurt by your sentences or by your analysis but > really hurt by your repeated insistence on same thing in every email > and that too on the internet, where hundreds are reading these > messages. OM NAMO SHIVAY AND JAI MATA DI.> Thanks and Regards> Rajesh Kumaria> > lalkitab , lalkitabee <lalkitabee> wrote:> > Respected Kumaria Ji> > I analyzed ur kundli properly as i promissed with u,If any other > opinion of other experts i welcome.Otherwise one person is wrong > between both of us.But this possibility cant be here becoz here isnt > such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept.So it may be > possible that ur time of birth or ur situation at present may be > differ.My analyzations r specially in the perview of ur debts & the > situation of as a starveling about u.I think then at present is nt > like this situation of u.Ok but remedials r as it is.If u want to > continue then u can.At other side i want to say that except the > remedy of elephant all r possible in each country.some problem may > be about the remedy of goat also.So if u r sure about ur birthtime & > date u can do remedies suggested by me otherwise not.At next step > with some hasitation i want to say that people demand the remedies > which should be easiest to do according to lalkitab.But it is my > personal experience in my practice that when person suffers from the> > worst condition of health & fate ,he does all with all > efforts.Bcoz he has no option & even he has no thought to think any > option.Otherwise agar uskaa life systyem jaise taise chaltaa hai to > chalaane ki koshish hi kartaa hai use proper karne ki nahi.Ab agar > kisi doctor se koi medicine lene jaaye aur bole ki medicine meri > marzi ke anusaar likho to aap khud jaan saktey ho ki doctor per kyaa > beetegi.I think lalkitab se SST (sasti ,sunder, Tikaoo "Durable") > remedies aur kahin available nahi hain.> > Plz don mind> > With regards> > Lalkitabee (Private Counsellor)> > > > > > > > > > > > for Good> > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Respected Iqbal ji After going thru your detailed email, I am even more surprized and shocked at the arrogant behaviour directed towards your problems by this " great guru " of LalKitab. You have rightly said, " But rest assured, the appropriate authorities at the highest levels know about this case in the appropriate jurisdictions. " ...so let us leave all such people to SUPREME GOD's justice since they have made it a habit to talk in arrogant and hurting manner. I think such people talk compassionately only when they have to face people like me , who are facing hardships like myself and yet are strong in character...I have seen his tone calms down when confonted with strong opinions. May be such people have a mindset which says that they are perfect in everything in life and the rest of the world is immoral and non-genuine. I do not know what's the fun in demoralizing people with such complicated astrological analysis and arrogance, when the astrologer is NOT sure of his/her own analysis. Actually I am having my own financial problems and struggles(and I have no time to create puzzles), yet after reading your expereinces and after my own hars experience, I feel that indirectly GOD has designated us to expose the arrogant behaviour of such astrologers. Now SHUKLA JI may be really a GREAT GURU who is successful in INDIA where people are very obedient and have tolerated his arrogance, in the hope that this great guru will provide them the ultimate solution to all their problems(financial, health etc)., and that's what happens also when you meet some GREAT ARROGANT SADHUS in INDIA who talk with same arrogance and yet are gentle in their hearts..they just want to teach some quick lessons and go away with whatever QUICK DAKSHINA they get, yet they are not inclined to make money all the time.. so I think his arrogance is similar to those SADHUS(OR GENERATED IN THEIR STYLE), but DID HE PROVIDE ANY SOLUTIONS ALSO, LIKE THOSE SADHUS DO? IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT YOU GOT ANY BENEFIT DESPITE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY AND ACTUALLY GOT MORE PROBLEMS AND TROUBLES...AND WHAT DID I GET? WELL I WAS NOT A PROFESSIONAL CLIENT BUT YET I GOT RIDCULED ON THE INTERNET FOR NO REASON AND WRONG ANALYSIS MADE IN MY CASE AND WHEN I REQUESTED HIM FOR SOME DATES ETC., HE IS ASKING ME FOR ANALYSIS!!!...its like the astrologer is asking the jatak for a solution in a reverse way? well if i could really understand everything then why would i request someone for their guidance and wait for 3 months!!! I SUPPORT YOU IQBAL BHAI AND UNDERSTAND YOUR PAINS...we are in this world just to live compassionately and happily, if possible...after all ALEXANDER THE GREAT had to leave this world empty handed and whoever can think that they can become rich in this style of arrogant astrology, which simply does not produce the desired results and generates even more arrogance ? some people may think that we are jealous of him and prejudiced against him, yet i have no such intentions and i am simply surprized why did i request for analysis three months ago(wish only if i knew this would happen to me)..i wish him all the luck and i have no bad intentions for anyone in this world. I now think that may be he was designated to give me some punishments on the NET due to my past life karma and that's all happened. Hope this punishment is over now. OM NAMO SHIVAY and JAI MATA DI. WITH BEST REGARDS AND BEST WISHES FOR ALL rajesh kumaria -- In lalkitab , Iqbal <punjabilovebug> wrote: > Respected Rajesh Bhai, > > Thank you for your kind words of support. > > Like you, I have also been prevented by posting this exact note on the lalkitab forum by Punit Pandey, for he said that it was not constructive to the overall forum. Despite my tragedies, I kept a brave face and used humble words in describing my experiences, and the moderators of the forum prevented me from even expressing my pain on the forum. > > You will not believe perhaps, but the person in question is also Shri. Vipin Shukla Ji from Ambala, known as Lalkitabee. He treated me in the same manner as he treated you, only worse. > > Firstly, he sold me a pukhraj stone which he said according to Lal Kitab was suitable for people with Jupiter in lagna. He said it would help bring about speedy marriage, and then sold it to me for 55,000 rupees. He called it Ganpati Pukhraj, and said that it was most rare. You already know the results, but interestingly, there is no mention of wearing Pukhraj for either Jupiter in lagna or for speedy marriage in Lal Kitab in any of the versions or translations I have read. > > Secondly, when I confronted Lalkitabee about all of these incidents and experiences, he treated me the exact same way as he did to you. He told me he was a businessman FIRST and astrologer second, and that even though he promised to return my money for the pukhraj he said now he could not. He told me my date of birth or even the day was wrong, as his predictions could never be wrong - can you believe this? When I got the stone appraised, it was only worth between 5000 to 10000 K rupees, and that according to Toronto's top-most jewellers who also laughed when I told him Lalkitabee said it was a Ganpati pukhraj. The jeweller said it was a " Ganpati for this Lalkitabee from Ambala " as he ripped you off. > > On top of all this, he told me his business was so swift in Ambala and that his lalkitabee name was so profitable for him, that he didn't even care if people reported his inaccuracies or the way he treated me. > > I called Shukla Ji my bada bhai and treated him like the older brother I never had. I have spent over one lakh rupees in just phone bills in trying to speak with him, contact him and ask him what to do when all of the remedies he told me had the opposite effects. > > On top of it all, the day I was released from hospital for severe blood pressure, I called him to ask when he would return my money. Rajesh bhai, he YELLED at me on the phone and told me I was a Befkoof if I thought he would return my money. This is when he told me that for him, Lal Kitab was a business. That night, I had tears in my eyes as I could not believe how someone I called my brother and for whom I had so much affection and I looked up to, could turn around and treat me this way. Not only that, but looking at my situation, and the total losses for the year which had piled up to thousands of $USD, I felt saddenned more by the way he treated me without any regard for my health, my situation or the fact that I am a fellow human being. > > In his note to you on the lalkitab forum, he wrote that he prescribed sasti aur sunder remedies. Bhai, I think you can see that my experiences were anything but sasti aur sunder, and that I had one of the worst possible years of my life because of Lalkitabee's remedies of Lal Kitab. > > On the other forum, there is a Lal Kitab Company, which includes some of the moderators. They are hopeful to start selling more gems, stones and come out with other websites. Was this the Lal Kitab samaj seva that Pandit ji had envisioned? > > I am humble, and granted I do not know much - As far as I am concerned I am the dust on the feet of all the learned practitioners of Lal Kitab on these forums. What I do know without a shadow of a doubt however, is that I was treated like a dog by Lalkitabee and he did not show any compassion or regard for the results of me carrying out his remedies. > > In case anyone would like further information about my experiences, they can feel free to write me on my email. While I swallowed the hurt and pain of my own experience, when I saw that you were also getting the same treatment I could not allow myself to permit Lalkitabee to treat you the same way. Funny enough, he tried sending me private messages only yesterday when he saw that I was speaking up about my pain and suffering. But rest assured, the appropriate authorities at the highest levels know about this case in the appropriate jurisdictions. > > I feel that the points you mentioned were valid - Even through these painful experiences, I feel closer to you and am glad that we are guru-bhais in terms of Lal Kitab. Let us work together to prevent other victims in having to experience this mental trauma or negative effect of improper gemstones, as nobody should be treated uncompassionately and without a sense of politeness and decorum. > > I am looking forward to our new friendship ... thank you Umesh Bhai for providing a forum where we can share our experiences openly and without the censorship of the Lal Kitab Company. > > Affectionately, > > Iqbal > > Toronto, Canada > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > Respected Iqbal Ji, > > First of all, I want to express my gratitude and thanks for > supporting me through this complex analysis which really hurt my > feelings and shocked me tremendously. I agree with your view points > and I am also shocked to learn that you had to go through so much > hardships based on wrong analysis by some astrologers. Actually > wrong analysis can happen by anyone but the point is when the > astrologer does not admit it and the client gets hurt tremendously > (financially, healthwise and mentally) then it becomes more > shocking. Also I always feel that the astrologer should be polite in > his/her analysis and not become too strong on some wrong points > which have no link with reality. Also red fonts and bold red fonts > only hurt people and are reserved for school papers only. When one > is requesting an astrologer than obviously that person has real > problems and is in pain, yet some people have taken me as master > puzzle creator etc and what not. So its a double insult that on one > side one is suffering financially and physically , yet on the other > side the astrologer is simply not ready to believe it...what else > can be more painful. > I have seen several people's chart and tried to help them > astrologically without making any accusations, impositions etc., on > their food habits etc., If I am wrong in my analysis, I will > recalcuate everything and try to undersatnd it again, rather than > mentioing that the birth time is wrong and as I am a Great Guru. > Even Great Gurus can go wrong several times due to several factors > and circumstances beyond their control. I think LALKITAB must have > great logic and astrological background(divine power) behind it and > these harsh predictions are just an astrologer's own limitations. > > I have to send this email throigh other lalkitab groups since looks > like the moderator of lalkitab group is not allowing my last email > to be published. So RESPECTED UMESH JI Please pardon me for this > email, since this has nothing to do with your GREAT EFFORTS and your > services. Iqbal ji, I wish you better financial and health times > and all the best. Thanks for your support again Sir. JAI MATA DI and > OM NAMO SHIVAY > WITH REGARDS > Rajesh Kumaria. > lalkitab , Iqbal > <punjabilovebug> wrote: > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > for Good > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > Respected Kumaria Ji, > > > > I also had a similar experience, albeit with devastating effects. > My native chart (1-Jupiter, 3-Saturn, 5-Mars/Merc/Sun, 6-Ven/Rah, 7- > Moon, 12-Ketu) had the following varshphal for last year: > > > > 1-Mars/Sun/Mercury > > 5-Ketu > > 6-Venus/Rahu > > 8-Moon > > 9-Saturn > > 11-Jupiter > > > > I was told to do the following upayes by a Lal Kitab astrologer: > > > > 1. Bury 6 blue flowers at crossroads > > 2. Bury honey in cemetary > > 3. Wear a pukhraj > > 4. Tilak of saffron for 43 days > > > > I did all of these upayes with utmost care, respect and sincerity. > After doing the first upaye, my sexual energies began to weaken and > I also had further problems in securing a compatible partner for > marriage. Whatever girls I was speaking with simply stopped > communicating with me all of a sudden. I also was not able to find a > job that was satisfactory, and instead only received work which was > 30% less in compensation than before I did the upayes. > > > > After completing upaye #2, I began to feel increased anxiety and > my blood pressure elevated. So much so, that I was admitted into > hospital because of severe blood pressure. I also had arguments and > falling out with my brother, as well as lack of support from > superior officers at work and overall disagreements and disputes > with my mother. > > > > After completing upaye #3, I became very depressed and after > wearing the pukhraj for a few days I felt like forsaking everything > and becoming a sadhu in the forest. All happiness in my life had > depleted and I felt suicidal. > > > > After completing upaye #4, I got some reprieve, but not before I > lost two pairs of black glasses and also a pair of shiny black shoes. > > > > Each time I completed the upayes but didn't get the positive > effects, I was also questioned by my astrologer (name withheld) that > there was no way his remedies or analysis could be wrong. In some > cases, I was accused of having lied or having done other upayes that > I had withheld. All of this was not the case, as I whole-heartedly > relied only on the astrologer's advice. He assured me that per Lal > Kitab, all the remedies were correct and that perhaps my time of > birth was wrong!! He even advised me that according to Lal Kitab, > pukhraj was most suitable for me. To this day, despite searching the > original and translated versions, I cannot find his supporting > evidence. > > > > Shocked, saddenned and totally disillusioned with the Lal Kitab > astrologer, I felt like I should try to de-toxify my body and spirit > and so I removed the pukhraj. Immediately, I started feeling better > and things began to stablize for me. Interestingly, when I went to > sell this stone, it was worth only 10% of what the astrologer had > charged me for it (55,000 rupees), despite the fact that since then > over 5 other Lal Kitab astrologers have advised me that to wear > pukhraj would not suit me and be detrimental for me. > > > > The point of this narration is that I had the following so- > called " benefits " from an astrologer who practices Lal Kitab: > > > > 1. Loss of a high-level executive job paying in six figures (USD) > > 2. Severe high blood pressure and overall bad health > > 3. Time in jail > > 4. Problems with family, especially brother and mother > > 5. Delay in finding a suitable partner for marriage > > > > The point of me sharing these most intimate and painful memories > with you, is that in many cases people will accuse you of doing > things when their analysis is wrong or when their upayes fail > miserably. Some people cannot admit they are wrong. Their ego gets > the better of them. Have faith in yourself and your truthfulness. > There is something called Hubris, which in Ancient Greek writings > and plays was used to describe the actions by people when they place > themselves above God, and feel they cannot be wrong ever. > This " Munh " or ego will lead to their downfall. Be wary of people > who act this way - if the remedies you have done, or any analysis > you have been given is incorrect, simply have the courage to walk > away. Nobody is above God, and anyone who treats you in such a > manner will pay the dire consequences thrice over. > > > > I am here to support you, and if I can help you, I am at your > service. There is a chorus of people who use astrology as a front > for a business - Lal Kitab was not meant to be that way. It was > designed to be accurate and simple and for the benefit of all simple > folk. The person analyzing using Lal Kitab could be inaccurate, but > Lal Kitab itself is like a Gospel. > > > > Had it not been for the love and support I had received from > people from this board, I would not have been able to get through > these very tragic experiences. Learn from my experience, and have > trust in the mighty Lal Kitab and your own god-given gift as an > astrologer inside you: > > > > Par Par Alam Kazal Hoya > > Kithe Apnay Aap Noo Puryahee Nahin > > Ja Ja Varda Mandir Maseetha > > Kithe Apnay Andir Thoo Varyahee Nahin > > (Paraphrased from Bulle Shah) > > > > Subko Sadar Pranam, > > > > Iqbal > > Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > " Rajesh M. Kumaria " <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > Respected Shukla ji > > Well with all due regards your analysis was far away from realty > and > > my birth time is correct and verified by other astrologers. Also I > > do'nt think that my previous answers matched with your previous > > questions/analysis exactly and its your interpretation that you > are > > correct..Infact some of my answers do not match at all with your > > previous analysis. Also I do not see you making any future > > predcitions at all and you just keep insisting on intoxications, > > meats etc., and now surprizingly you want me to acknowledge that > > also, when you say, " But this possibility cant be here becoz here > > isnt such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept " ...So all > > this is due to your analysis going wrong SOFAR and now you are > > getting desperate to get some acknowledgment from myside that you > > are right and I am wrong...THE FACT IS THAT I DO NOT TAKE DRINKS > AND > > DO NOT EAT ANY MEATS, GOAT MEATS ETC ETC AND THAT I AM A > > VEGETARIAN... since you are using the red fonts repeatedly on > > internet and so i am forced to say all this, since i know that > > hundreds of people are reading these interactions. > > > > > > So its time(with all due regards) for you to do your analyis again > > and come up with some future predictions or some past predictions > > with dates, otherwise its hard for me to acknowledge that you are > > right. You can take it as a challenge, if you have time, and > > ofcourse I am seriously hurt by your style of making me > acknowledge > > wrong things about myself(just to prove that you are right when > > infact nothing is right here sofar), so your words like " Plz don > > mind " are actually an insult after writing same things again and > > again in red fonts. Any serious person in my place will be hurt by > > your style and I am not above all here. Please put yourself in my > > place and try to read all you red font sentences again and I am > sure > > that you will understand my viewpoint(finally you simply said that > > may be birthtime is not correct and yet continue writing in red > > fonts all the time, as if you are avoiding any responsibility from > > your own analysis and simply walking away!!!). yes i am seriously > > hurt here. I am not hurt by your sentences or by your analysis but > > really hurt by your repeated insistence on same thing in every > email > > and that too on the internet, where hundreds are reading these > > messages. OM NAMO SHIVAY AND JAI MATA DI. > > Thanks and Regards > > Rajesh Kumaria > > > > lalkitab , lalkitabee <lalkitabee> > wrote: > > > Respected Kumaria Ji > > > I analyzed ur kundli properly as i promissed with u,If any other > > opinion of other experts i welcome.Otherwise one person is wrong > > between both of us.But this possibility cant be here becoz here > isnt > > such a matter that we will feel ashamed to accept.So it may be > > possible that ur time of birth or ur situation at present may be > > differ.My analyzations r specially in the perview of ur debts & > the > > situation of as a starveling about u.I think then at present is nt > > like this situation of u.Ok but remedials r as it is.If u want to > > continue then u can.At other side i want to say that except the > > remedy of elephant all r possible in each country.some problem may > > be about the remedy of goat also.So if u r sure about ur birthtime > & > > date u can do remedies suggested by me otherwise not.At next step > > with some hasitation i want to say that people demand the remedies > > which should be easiest to do according to lalkitab.But it is my > > personal experience in my practice that when person suffers from > the > > > worst condition of health & fate ,he does all with all > > efforts.Bcoz he has no option & even he has no thought to think > any > > option.Otherwise agar uskaa life systyem jaise taise chaltaa hai > to > > chalaane ki koshish hi kartaa hai use proper karne ki nahi.Ab agar > > kisi doctor se koi medicine lene jaaye aur bole ki medicine meri > > marzi ke anusaar likho to aap khud jaan saktey ho ki doctor per > kyaa > > beetegi.I think lalkitab se SST (sasti ,sunder, Tikaoo " Durable " ) > > remedies aur kahin available nahi hain. > > > Plz don mind > > > With regards > > > Lalkitabee (Private Counsellor) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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