Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Dear Kumar, Dispositorship refers to Rasi... Vargottama simply supports (or diminishes) a planet's strength in a particular sign which will be evident during the dasa of that planet. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Kumar Arumugam " <kumar58 <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:02 PM Final Dispositor in Vargottama In a situation where the final dispositor ends in Vargottama, eg. Me in Ar, Mar in Aq, Sa in Sg, Ju in Li, and Ve in Pi. Venus and Jupiter are in Vargottama. In this situation, which planet will be the final dispositor for Mercury? Venus or Jupiter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Dear Wendy, I am very new to astrology. Can you please clarify this further. In a vargottama situation, Venus and Jupiter in this case, aren't the two planets dispositors of each other? Thanks Kumar jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Kumar, > > Dispositorship refers to Rasi... > Vargottama simply supports (or diminishes) a planet's strength in a > particular sign which will be evident during the dasa of that planet. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Kumar Arumugam " <kumar58 > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:02 PM > Final Dispositor in Vargottama > > > In a situation where the final dispositor ends in Vargottama, eg. Me in > Ar, Mar in Aq, Sa in Sg, Ju in Li, and Ve in Pi. Venus and Jupiter are > in Vargottama. In this situation, which planet will be the final > dispositor for Mercury? Venus or Jupiter? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, You wrote: > Vargottama simply supports (or diminishes) a planet's strength in a > particular sign which will be evident during the dasa of that planet. What would be the case for planet in vargottama in its inimical sign? weakening its strength? Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Dear Manasa, A planet without strength in both rasi and navamsha is doubly afflicted. A planet with full strength in both charts is doubly blessed. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:45 PM Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama Dear Mrs.Wendy, You wrote: > Vargottama simply supports (or diminishes) a planet's strength in a > particular sign which will be evident during the dasa of that planet. What would be the case for planet in vargottama in its inimical sign? weakening its strength? Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 The final dispositor, one planet control theory (MC Jain, unless I am remembering wrongly) refers to the planet which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting. In your example Venus. If it is vargottama (or other significant roles such as atmakaraka or lagnesha, dashamesha etc) that gives it additional attributes but even without those it remains the final dispositor. It is good to have the final dispositor strong and benefic on several counts, since it is carrying a lot of responsibility. A weak final dispositor, logically would represent problems. Just being in own sign, is not enough to make a planet strong and beneficial. A vargottama planet is more transparent. Since it is sattwika. jyotish-vidya , " Kumar Arumugam " <kumar58 wrote: > > In a situation where the final dispositor ends in Vargottama, eg. Me in > Ar, Mar in Aq, Sa in Sg, Ju in Li, and Ve in Pi. Venus and Jupiter are > in Vargottama. In this situation, which planet will be the final > dispositor for Mercury? Venus or Jupiter? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Dear Manas, Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the work of Jain, except for some critical comments I've read that say the bulk of his work was not his own but copied from other sources such as Isadore Kozminsky, Raphael, Mohan Koparkar etc.. I personally cannot comment on this, of course, not having read any of his books. However, I do know that the sages themselves have given us adequate guidelines regarding the use of dispositors. Yogas such as Parvata, Kakala, Parijatha, Kalpadruma, Mridanga etc being clear examples. See BPHS below... 33-34. KALPADRUMA YOGA: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch36.htm *Note the following four planets: a) the ascendant lord, b) the dispositor of the ascendant lord, c) the dispositor of the planet at " b " , d) the Navamsa dispositor of the planet at " c " . If all these are disposed in angles and trines from the ascendant, or be exalted, Kalpadruma yoga exists. One with this yoga will be endowed with all kinds of wealth, be a king, pious, strong, fond of war, and merciful.* Just from this yoga alone, which incorporates the dispositor of ascendant lord's dispositor etc; we can logically follow the same principle in regards to other house lords. In Ernst Wilhelm's 'Core Yogas' we read: *The first four dispositor yogas given: Parvata Yoga, Kahala Yoga, Parijatha Yoga, and Kalpadruma Yoga are all centered on the lagna lord, therefore, they further the native in life. The principles illustrated by these four yogas, however, may be extended to other house lords as well; these other houses being furthered and a benefit to the native in the event that their lord's dispositors are well situated as illustrated by these yogas.* I think it would be wrong therefore to claim this to be a (new) theory put forward by any modern author. Perhaps Jain has been responsible for popularising/modernising this principle, but not, I feel, for developing the principle/theory itself. You've mentioned Jain several times here. Can you tell me what impresses you about his work? ///The final dispositor, one planet control theory refers to the planet which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting./// It can be of course that there is not one final dispositor. I was looking at a tentative chart for Heath Ledger, the actor who died recently at the age of 28. In this chart, JU is final dispositor of all except MO & ME who are their own final dispositor...neither of which occupy their own sign... In fact no planet occupies own sign in this chart (including Jupiter). Comments welcome :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Jyotish Volunteers " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:11 PM Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama The final dispositor, one planet control theory (MC Jain, unless I am remembering wrongly) refers to the planet which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting. In your example Venus. If it is vargottama (or other significant roles such as atmakaraka or lagnesha, dashamesha etc) that gives it additional attributes but even without those it remains the final dispositor. It is good to have the final dispositor strong and benefic on several counts, since it is carrying a lot of responsibility. A weak final dispositor, logically would represent problems. Just being in own sign, is not enough to make a planet strong and beneficial. A vargottama planet is more transparent. Since it is sattwika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hi Wendy, I think Rick Houk was very taken by M.C. Jain as he mentioned him quite a bit in his article in the 36 Teachers series that came out in 90s (the Charubel -- degrees of zodiac simplified approach of MC Jain) and I think I read some posts in Finn Wandahl's posts that someone sent me from an archieved jyotish proto-list. And absolutely! Final dispositor does not have to be only the planet that is in own sign! We have recently seen an example here where there was a loop at the end -- such as would be the case if jupiter were in libra and venus in pisces as final dispositors! Interestingly, they remind me not as the spear-point that some think a final dispositor is, but more like a lasoo or more morbidly the final noose ;-) Please pardon my levity, I know I am in the presence of senior and serious company and must behave! - Wendy Vasicek jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:50 AM Re: Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama Dear Manas, Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the work of Jain, except for some critical comments I've read that say the bulk of his work was not his own but copied from other sources such as Isadore Kozminsky, Raphael, Mohan Koparkar etc.. I personally cannot comment on this, of course, not having read any of his books. However, I do know that the sages themselves have given us adequate guidelines regarding the use of dispositors. Yogas such as Parvata, Kakala, Parijatha, Kalpadruma, Mridanga etc being clear examples. See BPHS below... 33-34. KALPADRUMA YOGA: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch36.htm *Note the following four planets: a) the ascendant lord, b) the dispositor of the ascendant lord, c) the dispositor of the planet at " b " , d) the Navamsa dispositor of the planet at " c " . If all these are disposed in angles and trines from the ascendant, or be exalted, Kalpadruma yoga exists. One with this yoga will be endowed with all kinds of wealth, be a king, pious, strong, fond of war, and merciful.* Just from this yoga alone, which incorporates the dispositor of ascendant lord's dispositor etc; we can logically follow the same principle in regards to other house lords. In Ernst Wilhelm's 'Core Yogas' we read: *The first four dispositor yogas given: Parvata Yoga, Kahala Yoga, Parijatha Yoga, and Kalpadruma Yoga are all centered on the lagna lord, therefore, they further the native in life. The principles illustrated by these four yogas, however, may be extended to other house lords as well; these other houses being furthered and a benefit to the native in the event that their lord's dispositors are well situated as illustrated by these yogas.* I think it would be wrong therefore to claim this to be a (new) theory put forward by any modern author. Perhaps Jain has been responsible for popularising/modernising this principle, but not, I feel, for developing the principle/theory itself. You've mentioned Jain several times here. Can you tell me what impresses you about his work? ///The final dispositor, one planet control theory refers to the planet which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting./// It can be of course that there is not one final dispositor. I was looking at a tentative chart for Heath Ledger, the actor who died recently at the age of 28. In this chart, JU is final dispositor of all except MO & ME who are their own final dispositor...neither of which occupy their own sign... In fact no planet occupies own sign in this chart (including Jupiter). Comments welcome :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Jyotish Volunteers " <jyotishi <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:11 PM Re: Final Dispositor in Vargottama The final dispositor, one planet control theory (MC Jain, unless I am remembering wrongly) refers to the planet which is one in own sign and ends up being the last planet in the dispositor counting. In your example Venus. If it is vargottama (or other significant roles such as atmakaraka or lagnesha, dashamesha etc) that gives it additional attributes but even without those it remains the final dispositor. It is good to have the final dispositor strong and benefic on several counts, since it is carrying a lot of responsibility. A weak final dispositor, logically would represent problems. Just being in own sign, is not enough to make a planet strong and beneficial. A vargottama planet is more transparent. Since it is sattwika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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