Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Dear Wendy, If I may intervene, different historians have put different birth years for Tippu Sultan ranging from 1749 to 1753. Wikipidia gives the date as Nov. 20, 1750. B.V Raman uses Dec. 1, 1751 and so on. B.V Raman also puts a tag (N.S.) for the date indicating he is Not Sure about the correctness of the date. Hence, it may not be a good idea to depend on this particular chart unless Vishwanath can claim his source to be very authentic. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > PS: Apologies, I was called away before I could add the > reference from > Parashara regarding yoga for ascetism... > > BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga > for ascetism > is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a > single bhava. > Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support > this for it to > come to fruition. > > It would be interesting to compare the two charts :-) > ___________ > > > Viswanath, > > I'm sure you won't mind sharing the data for tipu sultan to > enable a > comparison of the two charts. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Astrologer_vishy Nair " > <astrologervishy_nair > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:20 PM > Re: Re: Help needed with married life > problems > > > 5 planets in one house does not make one a sanyasi. Please > see the chart of > tipu sultan. He was not a sanyasin. > > regrds > viswanath > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Thank you for that, Krishna :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:16 PM Re: Tippu's chart Dear Wendy, If I may intervene, different historians have put different birth years for Tippu Sultan ranging from 1749 to 1753. Wikipidia gives the date as Nov. 20, 1750. B.V Raman uses Dec. 1, 1751 and so on. B.V Raman also puts a tag (N.S.) for the date indicating he is Not Sure about the correctness of the date. Hence, it may not be a good idea to depend on this particular chart unless Vishwanath can claim his source to be very authentic. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear all In the chart of Tipu there are 4-5 planets in one house. In the chart of Osho Rajneesh there are 4 or 5 planets in one house. But in the chart of many saints, there are no 4 or 5 planets in one house, still they became saint. Please take the planetary position of Feb 1962.(I do not remember the date). Sun, Mars, Mer, Venu, Sat, Jup were in Capricorn. I know atleast two persons, who are not saints, but are merely working in office / factory, etc. It is too general to say about the rule. In BPHS and Saravali the rule of 4 planets is being said, but when I checked many charts, the rule does not tally. In Vedic astrology this is the case. In BPHS maharaja yogam (MY) is being mentioned. In the chart of Akbar the Great and Atal Behari Vajpaee MY is seen. But when I checked all the 43 US Presidents right from George Washington to George Bush, the rule does not tally. But in some cases it is correct. Hence Vedic astrology rules some times miserably fails. regards MK Viswanath mob 9440 346 285 www.venusmatrimony.com Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Thank you for that, Krishna :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:16 PM Re: Tippu's chart Dear Wendy, If I may intervene, different historians have put different birth years for Tippu Sultan ranging from 1749 to 1753. Wikipidia gives the date as Nov. 20, 1750. B.V Raman uses Dec. 1, 1751 and so on. B.V Raman also puts a tag (N.S.) for the date indicating he is Not Sure about the correctness of the date. Hence, it may not be a good idea to depend on this particular chart unless Vishwanath can claim his source to be very authentic. Regards, Krishna 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear All, Before accepting or rejecting anything, we have to validate it properly with as many charts as possible. The dictum says these 4 planets should be in strength. We can not ignore this. We chave to check if all the 4 planets in a house are in strength or not before coming to a conclusion. Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > Dear all > > In the chart of Tipu there are 4-5 planets in one house. In > the chart of Osho Rajneesh there are 4 or 5 planets in one > house. But in the chart of many saints, there are no 4 or 5 > planets in one house, still they became saint. Please take > the planetary position of Feb 1962.(I do not remember the > date). Sun, Mars, Mer, Venu, Sat, Jup were in Capricorn. I > know atleast two persons, who are not saints, but are merely > working in office / factory, etc. > > It is too general to say about the rule. In BPHS and Saravali > the rule of 4 planets is being said, but when I checked many > charts, the rule does not tally. > > In Vedic astrology this is the case. > > In BPHS maharaja yogam (MY) is being mentioned. In the chart > of Akbar the Great and Atal Behari Vajpaee MY is seen. > > But when I checked all the 43 US Presidents right from George > Washington to George Bush, the rule does not tally. But in > some cases it is correct. > > Hence Vedic astrology rules some times miserably fails. > > regards > MK Viswanath > mob 9440 346 285 > www.venusmatrimony.com > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Thank you for that, Krishna :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:16 PM > Re: Tippu's chart > > Dear Wendy, > > If I may intervene, different historians have put different > birth years for Tippu Sultan ranging from 1749 to 1753. > Wikipidia gives the date as Nov. 20, 1750. B.V Raman uses > Dec. > 1, 1751 and so on. B.V Raman also puts a tag (N.S.) for the > date > indicating he is Not Sure about the correctness of the date. > > Hence, it may not be a good idea to depend on this particular > chart unless Vishwanath can claim his source to be very > authentic. > > Regards, > Krishna > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear friends, Dear List, Cast the following data. Male Feb 05 1962 01:05 AM New Delhi. Male Feb 06 1962 07:38 AM New Delhi Female Feb 06 1962 18:43 hours 6:43 PM Kanchipuram They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination towards spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human beings like you and me. Those who are interested to go through the charts do so and see/guess what could be their profession. One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a doctor in a well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier Jyotish Vidya, I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, unfortunately that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – the discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The conditions are not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in one place. They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between those lines very carefully. The participating planets should not be combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary war, by one another. It is simply not that a person is having four or 5 planets in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a greatman. All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have enough strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and the combination should take place in a Benefic House. The Navamsa and Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and Moon have a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not overlook the general principles of astrology and concentrating only on the combination taking place in one single house. One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or a Kona, a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the combination was in 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described as Yoga Brashta. See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may find the combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per those rules described in the classics. There are other combinations leads them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from their position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. One factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the connection with 8th. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: I am not against any Saints or Sanyasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: 1. > Male > Feb 05 1962 > 01:05 AM > New Delhi. Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck further on the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga becoming applicable to this case. 2. > Male > Feb 06 1962 > 07:38 AM > New Delhi Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is not applicable to this case as well. 3. > Female > > Feb 06 1962 > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > Kanchipuram Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of planets in a house and come to any conclusion. Regards, Krishna --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > Dear friends, > > Dear List, > > Cast the following data. > > Male > Feb 05 1962 > 01:05 AM > New Delhi. > > > Male > Feb 06 1962 > 07:38 AM > New Delhi > > > Female > > Feb 06 1962 > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > Kanchipuram > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > towards > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > beings like > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the charts > do so > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a doctor > in a > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier Jyotish > Vidya, > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > unfortunately > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – the > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > conditions are > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in one > place. > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > those > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > be > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary war, > by one > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or 5 > planets > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > greatman. > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have enough > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and the > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The Navamsa > and > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > Moon have > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not overlook > the > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on the > combination taking place in one single house. > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or a > Kona, > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the combination > was in > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described > as Yoga > Brashta. > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may find > the > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > those > rules described in the classics. There are other combinations > leads > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from > their > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. > One > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the > connection with 8th. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > PS: I am not against any Saints or Sanyasis. > > > ______________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 dear krishna But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. Regards MK Viswanath Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Ravindramani, Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: 1. > Male > Feb 05 1962 > 01:05 AM > New Delhi. Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck further on the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga becoming applicable to this case. 2. > Male > Feb 06 1962 > 07:38 AM > New Delhi Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is not applicable to this case as well. 3. > Female > > Feb 06 1962 > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > Kanchipuram Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of planets in a house and come to any conclusion. Regards, Krishna --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > Dear friends, > > Dear List, > > Cast the following data. > > Male > Feb 05 1962 > 01:05 AM > New Delhi. > > > Male > Feb 06 1962 > 07:38 AM > New Delhi > > > Female > > Feb 06 1962 > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > Kanchipuram > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > towards > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > beings like > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the charts > do so > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a doctor > in a > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier Jyotish > Vidya, > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > unfortunately > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – the > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > conditions are > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in one > place. > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > those > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > be > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary war, > by one > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or 5 > planets > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > greatman. > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have enough > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and the > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The Navamsa > and > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > Moon have > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not overlook > the > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on the > combination taking place in one single house. > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or a > Kona, > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the combination > was in > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described > as Yoga > Brashta. > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may find > the > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > those > rules described in the classics. There are other combinations > leads > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from > their > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. > One > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the > connection with 8th. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > PS: I am not against any Saints or Sanyasis. > > > ________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Vishwantah, What I have understood is when Ketu, Venus and Saturn in trines to each other, the person wil become spiritual. Though such a combination exists in all the three cases cited, both Venus and Saturn are combust and hence becomes ineffective. What I understand is that Ketu alone can not make a person a Sanyasi. There should be other factors contributing. Please do correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > dear krishna > > But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: > > 1. > > > Male > > Feb 05 1962 > > 01:05 AM > > New Delhi. > > Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets are > combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck further > on > the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga > becoming applicable to this case. > > 2. > > Male > > Feb 06 1962 > > 07:38 AM > > New Delhi > > Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is > not > applicable to this case as well. > > 3. > > Female > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > Kanchipuram > > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. > > It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of > planets in a house and come to any conclusion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > Dear List, > > > > Cast the following data. > > > > Male > > Feb 05 1962 > > 01:05 AM > > New Delhi. > > > > > > Male > > Feb 06 1962 > > 07:38 AM > > New Delhi > > > > > > Female > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > > towards > > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > > beings like > > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the > charts > > do so > > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a > doctor > > in a > > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier > Jyotish > > Vidya, > > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > > unfortunately > > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – the > > > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > > conditions are > > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in > one > > place. > > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > > those > > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > > be > > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary > war, > > by one > > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or 5 > > planets > > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > > greatman. > > > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have enough > > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and the > > > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The > Navamsa > > and > > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > > Moon have > > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not overlook > > the > > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on > the > > combination taking place in one single house. > > > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or > a > > Kona, > > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the > combination > > was in > > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described > > as Yoga > > Brashta. > > > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may > find > > the > > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > > those > > rules described in the classics. There are other > combinations > > leads > > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from > > their > > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. > > > One > > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the > > connection with 8th. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > PS: I am not against any Saints or Sanyasis. > > > > > > > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, > your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims./ > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Krisha ji I agree that Ketu cannot alone make one a sanyasi. But Venus-Saturn combust does not make one's sanyasin pursuits ineffective. Regards MK Viswanath Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Vishwantah, What I have understood is when Ketu, Venus and Saturn in trines to each other, the person wil become spiritual. Though such a combination exists in all the three cases cited, both Venus and Saturn are combust and hence becomes ineffective. What I understand is that Ketu alone can not make a person a Sanyasi. There should be other factors contributing. Please do correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > dear krishna > > But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: > > 1. > > > Male > > Feb 05 1962 > > 01:05 AM > > New Delhi. > > Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets are > combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck further > on > the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga > becoming applicable to this case. > > 2. > > Male > > Feb 06 1962 > > 07:38 AM > > New Delhi > > Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is > not > applicable to this case as well. > > 3. > > Female > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > Kanchipuram > > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. > > It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of > planets in a house and come to any conclusion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > Dear List, > > > > Cast the following data. > > > > Male > > Feb 05 1962 > > 01:05 AM > > New Delhi. > > > > > > Male > > Feb 06 1962 > > 07:38 AM > > New Delhi > > > > > > Female > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > > towards > > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > > beings like > > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the > charts > > do so > > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a > doctor > > in a > > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier > Jyotish > > Vidya, > > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > > unfortunately > > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – the > > > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > > conditions are > > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in > one > > place. > > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > > those > > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > > be > > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary > war, > > by one > > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or 5 > > planets > > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > > greatman. > > > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have enough > > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and the > > > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The > Navamsa > > and > > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > > Moon have > > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not overlook > > the > > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on > the > > combination taking place in one single house. > > > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or > a > > Kona, > > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the > combination > > was in > > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described > > as Yoga > > Brashta. > > > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may > find > > the > > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > > those > > rules described in the classics. There are other > combinations > > leads > > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall from > > their > > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic life. > > > One > > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or the > > connection with 8th. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > > PS: I am not against any Saints or Sanyasis. > > > > > > > > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, > your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. > http://sims./ > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Vishwanath ji, I am not sure what is the basis for your statement. On the contrary, Varahamihira and Parashara both think otherwise. 1. Varahamihira - (Ch. 15 Sh. 2) If powerful pravrajya yoga causing planets are combust with the Sun then the person born will not take up sanyasa 2. Parashara - (Ch 79. Sh. 4) If strong Grahas, capable of leading to ascetism, be obscure by Surya’s rays (that is they be combust), the person born, in spite of having reverence for the holy order, will not become initiated in that holy order. Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > Dear Krisha ji > > I agree that Ketu cannot alone make one a sanyasi. But > Venus-Saturn combust does not make one's sanyasin pursuits > ineffective. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Vishwantah, > > What I have understood is when Ketu, Venus and Saturn in > trines > to each other, the person wil become spiritual. Though such a > combination exists in all the three cases cited, both Venus > and > Saturn are combust and hence becomes ineffective. > > What I understand is that Ketu alone can not make a person a > Sanyasi. There should be other factors contributing. > > Please do correct me if I am wrong. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair > wrote: > > > dear krishna > > > > But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: > > > > 1. > > > > > Male > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > 01:05 AM > > > New Delhi. > > > > Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets > are > > combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck > further > > on > > the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga > > becoming applicable to this case. > > > > 2. > > > Male > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 07:38 AM > > > New Delhi > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is > > not > > applicable to this case as well. > > > > 3. > > > Female > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > Kanchipuram > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. > > > > It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of > > planets in a house and come to any conclusion. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > Cast the following data. > > > > > > Male > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > 01:05 AM > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > > > > Male > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 07:38 AM > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > Female > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > > > towards > > > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > > > beings like > > > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the > > charts > > > do so > > > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > > > > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a > > doctor > > > in a > > > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier > > Jyotish > > > Vidya, > > > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > > > unfortunately > > > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – > the > > > > > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > > > > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > > > conditions are > > > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in > > one > > > place. > > > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > > > those > > > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > > > be > > > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary > > war, > > > by one > > > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or > 5 > > > planets > > > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > > > greatman. > > > > > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have > enough > > > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and > the > > > > > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The > > Navamsa > > > and > > > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > > > Moon have > > > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not > overlook > > > the > > > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on > > the > > > combination taking place in one single house. > > > > > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra > or > > a > > > Kona, > > > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the > > combination > > > was in > > > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is > described > > > as Yoga > > > Brashta. > > > > > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may > > find > > > the > > > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > > > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > > > those > > > rules described in the classics. There are other > > combinations > > > leads > > > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall > from > > > their > > > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic > life. > > > > > One > > > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or > the > > > connection with 8th. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, You Wrote: ///One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra or a Kona, a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the combination was in 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is described as Yoga Brashta./// I Wrote: ///For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses?/// I think we were in the process of writing (the above) thoughts at the same time. You Wrote: ///One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a doctor in a well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier Jyotish Vidya, I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, unfortunately that data I lost - Mrs Wendy may have in her data base - the discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar./// Unfortunately I too have lost a lot of data. I did manage to save some old mails from 2004 but I think that was after Chandrasekhar left the group. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 dear sir my concept is simple. In Vedic there are no specific rules. regards MK Viswanath Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Vishwanath ji, I am not sure what is the basis for your statement. On the contrary, Varahamihira and Parashara both think otherwise. 1. Varahamihira - (Ch. 15 Sh. 2) If powerful pravrajya yoga causing planets are combust with the Sun then the person born will not take up sanyasa 2. Parashara - (Ch 79. Sh. 4) If strong Grahas, capable of leading to ascetism, be obscure by Surya’s rays (that is they be combust), the person born, in spite of having reverence for the holy order, will not become initiated in that holy order. Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > Dear Krisha ji > > I agree that Ketu cannot alone make one a sanyasi. But > Venus-Saturn combust does not make one's sanyasin pursuits > ineffective. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Vishwantah, > > What I have understood is when Ketu, Venus and Saturn in > trines > to each other, the person wil become spiritual. Though such a > combination exists in all the three cases cited, both Venus > and > Saturn are combust and hence becomes ineffective. > > What I understand is that Ketu alone can not make a person a > Sanyasi. There should be other factors contributing. > > Please do correct me if I am wrong. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair > wrote: > > > dear krishna > > > > But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by one: > > > > 1. > > > > > Male > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > 01:05 AM > > > New Delhi. > > > > Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets > are > > combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck > further > > on > > the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa yoga > > becoming applicable to this case. > > > > 2. > > > Male > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 07:38 AM > > > New Delhi > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga is > > not > > applicable to this case as well. > > > > 3. > > > Female > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > Kanchipuram > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. > > > > It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number of > > planets in a house and come to any conclusion. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > Cast the following data. > > > > > > Male > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > 01:05 AM > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > > > > Male > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 07:38 AM > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > Female > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much inclination > > > towards > > > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > > > beings like > > > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the > > charts > > > do so > > > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > > > > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a > > doctor > > > in a > > > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier > > Jyotish > > > Vidya, > > > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > > > unfortunately > > > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – > the > > > > > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > > > > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > > > conditions are > > > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira in > > one > > > place. > > > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read between > > > those > > > lines very carefully. The participating planets should not > > > be > > > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary > > war, > > > by one > > > another. It is simply not that a person is having four or > 5 > > > planets > > > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > > > greatman. > > > > > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have > enough > > > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and > the > > > > > combination should take place in a Benefic House. The > > Navamsa > > > and > > > Drekanna play an important role in this. Mars, Saturn and > > > Moon have > > > a greater say in this sanyasa yogas. One should not > overlook > > > the > > > general principles of astrology and concentrating only on > > the > > > combination taking place in one single house. > > > > > > One more condition is that they should happen in a Kendra > or > > a > > > Kona, > > > a benefic house. In Acharya Rajneesh's chart, the > > combination > > > was in > > > 8th house of intrigues and uncertainties. That is > described > > > as Yoga > > > Brashta. > > > > > > See even in the known charts of living sanyasis. One may > > find > > > the > > > combination is not intact what is said in BPHS or as per > > > Varahamihira. It is very difficult to get a chart as per > > > those > > > rules described in the classics. There are other > > combinations > > > leads > > > them to take the life of sanyasa and some of them fall > from > > > their > > > position too in one time or the other in their ascetic > life. > > > > > One > > > factor which I observe is that 5th lord in 8th house or > the > > > connection with 8th. > === message truncated === ________ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 I can only smile and move forward... Regards, Krishna --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > dear sir > > my concept is simple. In Vedic there are no specific rules. > > regards > MK Viswanath > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Vishwanath ji, > > I am not sure what is the basis for your statement. On the > contrary, Varahamihira and Parashara both think otherwise. > > 1. Varahamihira - (Ch. 15 Sh. 2) > > If powerful pravrajya yoga causing planets are combust with > the > Sun then the person born will not take up sanyasa > > 2. Parashara - (Ch 79. Sh. 4) > > If strong Grahas, capable of leading to ascetism, be obscure > by > Surya’s rays (that is they be combust), the person born, in > spite of having reverence for the holy order, will not become > initiated in that holy order. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair > wrote: > > > Dear Krisha ji > > > > I agree that Ketu cannot alone make one a sanyasi. But > > Venus-Saturn combust does not make one's sanyasin pursuits > > ineffective. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Vishwantah, > > > > What I have understood is when Ketu, Venus and Saturn in > > trines > > to each other, the person wil become spiritual. Though such > a > > combination exists in all the three cases cited, both Venus > > and > > Saturn are combust and hence becomes ineffective. > > > > What I understand is that Ketu alone can not make a person a > > Sanyasi. There should be other factors contributing. > > > > Please do correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair > > wrote: > > > > > dear krishna > > > > > > But I heard that Ketu is spiritual and moksha. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > Thanks for sharing these charts. Let me analyse one by > one: > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > Male > > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > > 01:05 AM > > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn all five planets > > are > > > combust and Sun is eclipsed by Ketu. No need to cehck > > further > > > on > > > the strength of planets. Hence, no question of sanyasa > yoga > > > becoming applicable to this case. > > > > > > 2. > > > > Male > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > > 07:38 AM > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > > eclipsed by Ketu. No need to check further. Sanyasi Yoga > is > > > not > > > applicable to this case as well. > > > > > > 3. > > > > Female > > > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn are combust and Sun is > > > eclipsed by Ketu. Same as above case. > > > > > > It is evident that it is not sufficient to see the number > of > > > planets in a house and come to any conclusion. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > Cast the following data. > > > > > > > > Male > > > > Feb 05 1962 > > > > 01:05 AM > > > > New Delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Male > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > > 07:38 AM > > > > New Delhi > > > > > > > > > > > > Female > > > > > > > > Feb 06 1962 > > > > 18:43 hours 6:43 PM > > > > Kanchipuram > > > > > > > > > > > > They are not saints nor do they show too much > inclination > > > > towards > > > > spirituality or their religion. They are ordinary human > > > > beings like > > > > you and me. Those who are interested to go through the > > > charts > > > > do so > > > > and see/guess what could be their profession. > > > > > > > > One such a chart ( a person born on 5th Feb, 1962 is a > > > doctor > > > > in a > > > > well known hospital in Delhi) was discussed in earlier > > > Jyotish > > > > Vidya, > > > > I myself posted that chart in the list at that time, > > > > unfortunately > > > > that data I lost – Mrs Wendy may have in her data base – > > the > > > > > > > discussion took place between me, Chandrasekhar. > > > > > > > > More conditions are attached with Sanyasa Yogas. The > > > > conditions are > > > > not in one place of BPHS; or not given by Varahamihira > in > > > one > > > > place. > > > > They have to be clubbed together. You have to read > between > > > > those > > > > lines very carefully. The participating planets should > not > > > > be > > > > combust, and no planet should be defeated in a planetary > > > war, > > > > by one > > > > another. It is simply not that a person is having four > or > > 5 > > > > planets > > > > in a house and he is going to take sanyasa or becoming a > > > > greatman. > > > > > > > > All the planets (at the least) 4 of them should have > > enough > > > > strength. The tenth lord should have enough strength and > > the > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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