Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be judged from this chart. 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict whether a yoga will fructify or not. There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM Why do yogas fail ? 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be judged from this chart. 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict whether a yoga will fructify or not. There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear madam The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) You may draw your own conclusions. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM Why do yogas fail ? 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be judged from this chart. 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict whether a yoga will fructify or not. There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Viswanath, No need to address me as madam. I do sincerely hope that we're able to get beyond gender here and consider one another as astrologers (only). I am an astrologer, you are an astrologer...that is enough, don't you agree :-) Yes, yogas do fail, and part of this vast study of jyotish is to find the reason why a particular yoga has failed in a particular horoscope... The whole point, Viswanath, is not that the yogas 'don't work' but that there can be many things that may nullify a specific yoga. One needs to assess each yoga along with the intention of the kundali as a whole. Regarding leadership potential, it seems quite obvious that, if lagna lord and/or 10th lord are afflicted, one will not obtain the level of leadership indicated by (any) specific yoga. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:46 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear madam The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) You may draw your own conclusions. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear Viswanath, An example of other factors that might modify GKY can be found in my own horoscope with Moon in 10th whilst exalted Jupiter occupies 7th (10th from Moon). Note 10th lord Moon's dispositor (Venus) in retrograde motion and closely combust 8th lord... However some results are still evident if we consider a community in the same light as a town or village. Jyotish-Vidya, a community of astrologers, was indeed created/built by myself :-) You Wrote: ///The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc./// I think we have to be able to adjust our interpretation of the yogas to current circumstances i.e., Desh, Kala and Patra. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:46 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear madam The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) You may draw your own conclusions. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM Why do yogas fail ? 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be judged from this chart. 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict whether a yoga will fructify or not. There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Dear vishy, i will agree with your view. So much is talked about gajkesari yog frankly speaking i have seen about 30 charts with gajkesari yog & believe me they all are financially very average. what i found in common was that some time or the other before the age of 45 they all were doing some kind of social work with holding some office position. yet i have not come to any conclusion whether to give importance to this yog or not. Paresh Vaidya jyotish-vidya , Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear madam > > The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. > > Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. > > I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) > > You may draw your own conclusions. > Regards > MK Viswanath > > > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Group, > > Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of > the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. > The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one > of the three kama (desire) houses. > > Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in > the house of his enemy, Sun... > > The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with > Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage > are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his > dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's > clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is > detrimental for his marriage. > > As said in previous post: > ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for > ascetism > is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. > Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to > come to fruition./// > > It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these > planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we > know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all > desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's > chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to > occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? > > Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is > aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this > Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. > > As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its > own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not > apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion > regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in > BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible > outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth > <jyotish-vidya > > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM > Why do yogas fail ? > > 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. > 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic > considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana > yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. > 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well > placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be > judged from this chart. > 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is > also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict > whether a yoga will fructify or not. > > There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning > astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I > wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 hii What I feel about Yogas failing to frutify is that .... 1.The Gochara might be very bad.The good effects that was to be enjoyed in ADs of of the yoga giving planets might have been eclipsed by a power Sadesati/Kandashani. 2 .The Yoga giving planets might be too severely afflicted in either Rasi/Navamsa. 3.OR its even possible that we had suffered/enjoyed the yoga in a subtle way ....but we failed to perceive it. 4. " Astrological Magazine " gives a method of quantifying the extent of manifestation of GajaKesari Yogam. looking forward to hear from you the rules which govern fruition of Parivartana Yoga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Mrs Wendy All said and done, I have seen high level profession in many horoscopes when Jupiter is in 10th from Moon in natl chart. I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed? If Jupiter in CAncer, he may place himself in Punarvasu, Pushya, Aslesha owned by Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury respectively. In that case Jupiter will give the result of Jupiter or Saturn or Mercury only. This is one of the reasons why vedic astrology fails. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Viswanath, An example of other factors that might modify GKY can be found in my own horoscope with Moon in 10th whilst exalted Jupiter occupies 7th (10th from Moon). Note 10th lord Moon's dispositor (Venus) in retrograde motion and closely combust 8th lord... However some results are still evident if we consider a community in the same light as a town or village. Jyotish-Vidya, a community of astrologers, was indeed created/built by myself :-) You Wrote: ///The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc./// I think we have to be able to adjust our interpretation of the yogas to current circumstances i.e., Desh, Kala and Patra. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:46 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear madam The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) You may draw your own conclusions. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM Why do yogas fail ? 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be judged from this chart. 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict whether a yoga will fructify or not. There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Mrs Wendy Thanks for your mail, and noted the contents. Let me introduce myself as student of astrology. I have done one year course in vedic astrology. Not satisfied with it, I went to an astro-college and done a course in KP astrology. I am now getting results slowly, especially in horary charts. I do write articles in KP E Zine magazines. This magazine can be downloaded free upto end of the month from www.loger.com. We have been talking about yoga and nullifying the yoga, for quite some time, but unable to see any rules created by any one. Many rules / yogas in vedic astrology does not fructify. I am saying from my personal experience. I have no contempt for anyone or any system. The rule for Ascetic or any yoga does not really work in many charts. BPHS or Saravalli can be read just for reading sake and understanding the basics. Chart reading could be based on the personal experise of the astrologer and partly his intutions. We shall continue to talk Regards Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Viswanath, No need to address me as madam. I do sincerely hope that we're able to get beyond gender here and consider one another as astrologers (only). I am an astrologer, you are an astrologer...that is enough, don't you agree :-) Yes, yogas do fail, and part of this vast study of jyotish is to find the reason why a particular yoga has failed in a particular horoscope... The whole point, Viswanath, is not that the yogas 'don't work' but that there can be many things that may nullify a specific yoga. One needs to assess each yoga along with the intention of the kundali as a whole. Regarding leadership potential, it seems quite obvious that, if lagna lord and/or 10th lord are afflicted, one will not obtain the level of leadership indicated by (any) specific yoga. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:46 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear madam The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc. Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, as some astrologer interpret.) You may draw your own conclusions. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Group, Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord Sun. The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is one of the three kama (desire) houses. Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is in the house of his enemy, Sun... The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is detrimental for his marriage. As said in previous post: ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for ascetism is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to come to fruition./// It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As we know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, all desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this native's chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction to occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, is aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on its own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Viswanath, ///I have done one year course in vedic astrology. Not satisfied with it, I went to an astro-college and done a course in KP astrology./// One year study is not nearly enough to grasp (even) the most basic fundamentals of Vedic astrology. It truly is a lifetime study. No doubt the type of astrology one eventually pursues is determined at birth. Some will be drawn to KP astrology, some to LalKitab, some to Western astrology or SA whilst others will be drawn to traditional Vedic astrology (following either Parashara or Jaimini method). Then, of course, there are those who will incorporate several different systems together. It would seem there is scope for all inclinations... ///We have been talking about yoga and nullifying the yoga, for quite some time, but unable to see any rules created by any one./// It is our good fortune to have the basic rules already laid down for us by the rishis. We simply have to learn how to interpret them. Discussing various applications of these rules (yogas) and how they apply to individual horoscopes broadens our understanding and draws us ever closer to the illuminating light that is Vedic astrology. ///Chart reading could be based on the personal experise of the astrologer and partly his intutions./// Personal expertise comes after many years of study/practice...intuition is a spontaneous by-product of repeated practice. Do anything for long enough and it becomes second-nature (intuitive). One can't hope to become a concert pianist or a prima ballerina after one year study; it takes time to master these things. Jyotish is no different, no less complex. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 visy ur lines are self defeating one hand u said u have seen many and yet contradict saying r skeptical VEDIC astrology does use the star it is placed in else why will so many vargas come in? the placement of a planet in a star its positionm status is also considered YOU can read Nadi Astrology by RB meena was writen into English well before KP was born, KP used this never gave credit to HIM tho has subdivided it firther his disciples into further subs-subs so if the 1st was justified subs then why did the next levels of subs come in? but stick to vedic model as laid by Parasara and with some dedicated years in it u will get better results in it I know the noisy defenders of KP here will make more noise, let them prove their worth in KP sites and keep non KP astrologers do their own work here. I use KP books as some of his works as he has made a cheap collage of many great writers and we can't biuy all of them , only complaint i have on KP is he never gave credit to the source of such intellectual piracy and worse sells his books in the rejected paper material by any decent publisher and yet charges too high a price, look at any other astrologer books DR K S CHARAK, B V Raman's, K N RAO's PS Shastry, C S Pandit, R santhanam all use good paper and are far more affordable. just by pricing it high it doesn't become a good work and KP's sons are still selling all other books say on IT, MAnagment, health etc to support theri lives than KP astrology where u can see RAMANS FAMILY ALL DO WELL IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES, VEDIC ASTROLOGY IF APPLIED WELL WILL WORK, IF ONE CANT DEVOTE TIME, ENERGY CANT BLAME IT AND SAYS IT WONT WORK, IT IS NOT A CASUAL SUBJECT nor ready reckoner's possible in it. knowledge dedication, intuition and humility are all blended into it I am yet to see a KP practioner talk politely to fellow astrologers it is more out of ego are they are a better species than rest of astrologers is over flowing in their words, and I wish they settle in KP sites and need not be evangelical in their efforts to push/thrust it onothers. the traditional ones will work better. best wishes BEST wishes On 9/16/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Mrs Wendy > > All said and done, I have seen high level profession in many horoscopes > when Jupiter is in 10th from Moon in natl chart. I am still skeptical about > it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed? If > Jupiter in CAncer, he may place himself in Punarvasu, Pushya, Aslesha owned > by Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury respectively. In that case Jupiter will give > the result of Jupiter or Saturn or Mercury only. > > This is one of the reasons why vedic astrology fails. > > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish <jyotish%40optusnet.com.au>> wrote: > Dear Viswanath, > > An example of other factors that might modify GKY can be found in my own > horoscope with Moon in 10th whilst exalted Jupiter occupies 7th (10th from > > Moon). Note 10th lord Moon's dispositor (Venus) in retrograde motion and > closely combust 8th lord... > > However some results are still evident if we consider a community in the > same light as a town or village. Jyotish-Vidya, a community of > astrologers, > was indeed created/built by myself :-) > > You Wrote: > ///The result of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, > > sees 1000 full moon, etc.etc./// > > I think we have to be able to adjust our interpretation of the yogas to > current circumstances i.e., Desh, Kala and Patra. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:46 PM > Re: Why do yogas fail ? > > Dear madam > > The yogas do fail. Think of Gaja-Kesari yoga (GKY), which forms when > Jupiter and Moon are mutual quadrants. Jupiter stays one year in a sign. > Moon complete one round of zodiac in 27 days. Moon stays 2 1/4 days in a > sign. Moon as such forms GKY 8 stars + 4 quarter stars in one cycle. How > many persons would have born in the world with this combination. The > result > of GKY is builder (ruler) of town or village, pious, strong, sees 1000 > full > moon, etc.etc. > > Experiences teach us that all these are not correct. > > I have seen that person with GKY are somewhat pious in nature but admant. > They do not build (rule) village or town. (Builder of ruler of village or > town means someone like a District Magistrate or a District Commissioner, > as > some astrologer interpret.) > > You may draw your own conclusions. > Regards > MK Viswanath > > Wendy Vasicek <jyotish <jyotish%40optusnet.com.au>> wrote: > Dear Group, > > Another important factor in the chart of IM's husband is the placement of > the conjoined planets. Four planets occupy 11th in company of 11th lord > Sun. > The malefic quality of 11th (most powerful trishadaya) is greed as it is > one > of the three kama (desire) houses. > > Moon (mind) is devoid of any light in this house whilst lagnesh Venus is > in > the house of his enemy, Sun... > > The indication that he may have a spouse older than him is there with > Saturn, the oldest planet, occupying 7th. The problems within the marriage > are clearly seen with 7th lord (Mars) debilitated in 10th whilst his > dispositor (Moon) is suffering from combustion by 11th lord Sun. It's > clearly seen that his strong desire, in this case for another woman, is > detrimental for his marriage. > > As said in previous post: > ///BPHS Ch79 http://jyotishvidya.com/ch79.htm states that a yoga for > ascetism > is formed when four or more planets (with strength) occupy a single bhava. > Of course other conditions in the horoscope need to support this for it to > come to fruition./// > > It's quite obvious that, apart from occupying a strong desire house, these > planets do not have sufficient strength to deliver favourable results. As > we > know, a sanyasa (ascetic) is one who has abandoned, or hopes to abandon, > all > desires except union with the divine...this is not evident in this > native's > chart. For this yoga to come to fruition, I would expect, the conjunction > to > occur in one of the moksha or trikona houses? > > Worth noting in this chart is YogaKaraka Saturn, in another desire house, > is > aspected by Jupiter, lord of 3rd house of desire. Note too that this > Jupiter, owning 3rd/6th is a strong trishadaya lord. > > As we've said many times on this group each yoga needs to be assessed on > its > own merits as each horoscope is unique and what applies to one does not > apply to all. It wasn't all that long ago that we had a similar discussion > regarding Guru-Chandala Yoga. The whole point is that the yogas given in > BPHS and other classics can only ever (at best) be a guide toward possible > outcomes and should not ever be taken literally. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth%40.ca>> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:14 AM > Why do yogas fail ? > > 1) Yoga forming houses are weak. > 2) A benefic involved in yoga lacks in strength. A weak malefic > considerably weakens the yoga. Only exception to this is parivartana > yoga wherein the involved planets are strong and active. > 3) The planets involved in the yoga and house lords should be well > placed in D-60 chart. The ultimate result of an yoga could only be > judged from this chart. > 4) The planets involved in yoga should be in shubha shadvarga. it is > also required to judge the avastha of planets before one predict > whether a yoga will fructify or not. > > There could be more reasons to why yoga fails. As a beginner in learning > astro, I could gather only this many points. Any corrections to what I > wrote and more additions on this topic are appreciated. > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Viswanath, ///I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed?/// You seem to be implying (in several of your mails) that the significance of nakshatra lord is a principle developed by KP? You couldn't be more wrong, I'm afraid! Experienced (Vedic) astrologers have always been aware of the importance of nakshatra lord and do, most certainly, take this into account when assessing the effect of (any) graha. If you go through the archives you will see this very topic has been under discussion here several times in the past. At this point it might be a good idea to review the message on our Groups page jyotish-vidya/ once again before deciding whether this is the right group for you or not. I'm sure you're aware that there are groups that cater specifically for those interested in discussing KP. Here on JV our main focus is Vedic astrology as taught by Maharishi Parashara. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:16 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear Mrs Wendy All said and done, I have seen high level profession in many horoscopes when Jupiter is in 10th from Moon in natl chart. I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed? If Jupiter in CAncer, he may place himself in Punarvasu, Pushya, Aslesha owned by Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury respectively. In that case Jupiter will give the result of Jupiter or Saturn or Mercury only. This is one of the reasons why vedic astrology fails. Regards MK Viswanath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy It is true. It is KP, which never fails. Exalted Jupiter in Saturn star Pushya, simply give the result of Saturn. Regards MK Viswanath Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Viswanath, ///I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed?/// You seem to be implying (in several of your mails) that the significance of nakshatra lord is a principle developed by KP? You couldn't be more wrong, I'm afraid! Experienced (Vedic) astrologers have always been aware of the importance of nakshatra lord and do, most certainly, take this into account when assessing the effect of (any) graha. If you go through the archives you will see this very topic has been under discussion here several times in the past. At this point it might be a good idea to review the message on our Groups page jyotish-vidya/ once again before deciding whether this is the right group for you or not. I'm sure you're aware that there are groups that cater specifically for those interested in discussing KP. Here on JV our main focus is Vedic astrology as taught by Maharishi Parashara. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:16 PM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear Mrs Wendy All said and done, I have seen high level profession in many horoscopes when Jupiter is in 10th from Moon in natl chart. I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed? If Jupiter in CAncer, he may place himself in Punarvasu, Pushya, Aslesha owned by Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury respectively. In that case Jupiter will give the result of Jupiter or Saturn or Mercury only. This is one of the reasons why vedic astrology fails. Regards MK Viswanath Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 thanks for your response Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Viswanath, ///I have done one year course in vedic astrology. Not satisfied with it, I went to an astro-college and done a course in KP astrology./// One year study is not nearly enough to grasp (even) the most basic fundamentals of Vedic astrology. It truly is a lifetime study. No doubt the type of astrology one eventually pursues is determined at birth. Some will be drawn to KP astrology, some to LalKitab, some to Western astrology or SA whilst others will be drawn to traditional Vedic astrology (following either Parashara or Jaimini method). Then, of course, there are those who will incorporate several different systems together. It would seem there is scope for all inclinations... ///We have been talking about yoga and nullifying the yoga, for quite some time, but unable to see any rules created by any one./// It is our good fortune to have the basic rules already laid down for us by the rishis. We simply have to learn how to interpret them. Discussing various applications of these rules (yogas) and how they apply to individual horoscopes broadens our understanding and draws us ever closer to the illuminating light that is Vedic astrology. ///Chart reading could be based on the personal experise of the astrologer and partly his intutions./// Personal expertise comes after many years of study/practice...intuition is a spontaneous by-product of repeated practice. Do anything for long enough and it becomes second-nature (intuitive). One can't hope to become a concert pianist or a prima ballerina after one year study; it takes time to master these things. Jyotish is no different, no less complex. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Mrs. Wendy // Experienced (Vedic) astrologers have always been aware of the importance of nakshatra lord and do, most certainly, take this into account when assessing the effect of (any) graha // Yes I agree totally here. This is what I have been trying to explain to the crtiticisers of the KP system, that this is a offshoot of the Vedic system, and not anything absolutely different except for the house division. All the good astrologers who have studied their subject properly do take into account and assessment of the Nakshatra owenrships. I have seen you doing this beautifully on number of occasions. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Viswanath, > > ///I am still skeptical about it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in > whose star he is placed?/// > > You seem to be implying (in several of your mails) that the significance of > nakshatra lord is a principle developed by KP? You couldn't be more wrong, > I'm afraid! Experienced (Vedic) astrologers have always been aware of the > importance of nakshatra lord and do, most certainly, take this into account > when assessing the effect of (any) graha. If you go through the archives you > will see this very topic has been under discussion here several times in the > past. > > At this point it might be a good idea to review the message on our Groups > page > jyotish-vidya/ once again before deciding > whether this is the right group for you or not. I'm sure you're aware that > there are groups that cater specifically for those interested in discussing > KP. Here on JV our main focus is Vedic astrology as taught by Maharishi > Parashara. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Astrologer_vishy Nair " <astrologervishy_nair > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:16 PM > Re: Why do yogas fail ? > > > Dear Mrs Wendy > > All said and done, I have seen high level profession in many horoscopes > when Jupiter is in 10th from Moon in natl chart. I am still skeptical about > it. Because occpant (Jupiter) is good, but in whose star he is placed? If > Jupiter in CAncer, he may place himself in Punarvasu, Pushya, Aslesha owned > by Jupiter, Saturn and Mercury respectively. In that case Jupiter will give > the result of Jupiter or Saturn or Mercury only. > > This is one of the reasons why vedic astrology fails. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, ///Yes I agree totally here. This is what I have been trying to explain to the crtiticisers of the KP system, that this is a offshoot of the Vedic system, and not anything absolutely different except for the house division./// It's important to understand that this very technique of house division is the key factor that separates KP from Parashara's (Vedic) astrology. KP, which employs the Western (placidus) system of house division, is, in fact, a blend of Western and Hindu astrology which, under no circumstances whatsoever, can be passed off as an authentic Janma Kundali. Those interested in furthering their studies in KP should join a group that supports this particular branch of astrology and respect the fact that Jyotish-Vidya (JV) is dedicated to traditional Vedic astrology as taught by the great rishi Parashara. So far all attempts at gentle persuasion have fallen on deaf ears, so let me make it perfectly clear that KP is not recognised as authentic Vedic astrology and is, most certainly, not to be promoted on JV. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:19 AM Re: Why do yogas fail ? Dear Mrs. Wendy // Experienced (Vedic) astrologers have always been aware of the importance of nakshatra lord and do, most certainly, take this into account when assessing the effect of (any) graha // Yes I agree totally here. This is what I have been trying to explain to the crtiticisers of the KP system, that this is a offshoot of the Vedic system, and not anything absolutely different except for the house division. All the good astrologers who have studied their subject properly do take into account and assessment of the Nakshatra owenrships. I have seen you doing this beautifully on number of occasions. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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