Wendy ji - your sister

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" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:32 PM

Wendy ji - your sister

Wendy ji,

///Also had news this morning that my last surviving

sister, diagnosed with Colon cancer a few months ago,

now finds it's spread to her liver.///

Very sorry to hear that. Could we have the chart,

please? What is your own analysis, especially in the

context of Guru, who rules the liver?

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

> http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

February 5, 2008

Dear Wendy,

I am very sorry to hear about this news and the difficult times you are

going though.

Please take care.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

_____

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya ]

On Behalf Of Balaji Narasimhan

Tuesday February 5, 2008 4:32 AM

jyotish-vidya

Wendy ji - your sister

Wendy ji,

///Also had news this morning that my last surviving

sister, diagnosed with Colon cancer a few months ago,

now finds it's spread to her liver.///

Very sorry to hear that. Could we have the chart,

please? What is your own analysis, especially in the

context of Guru, who rules the liver?

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji. <http://www.balaji.ind.in/> ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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February 5, 2008

Dear Wendy,

Very sorry to hear about your sister. Our prayers are with you for

her healing.

Best wishes

Kumar

jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan

<sherlockbalaji wrote:

>

> Wendy ji,

>

> ///Also had news this morning that my last surviving

> sister, diagnosed with Colon cancer a few months ago,

> now finds it's spread to her liver.///

>

> Very sorry to hear that. Could we have the chart,

> please? What is your own analysis, especially in the

> context of Guru, who rules the liver?

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan

> Author & Editor

> ~~~~~~~~~

>

____________________

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> Never miss a thing. Make your home page.

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>

February 5, 2008

Dear Ash and All,

Things are really not so difficult at all...the kettle still whistles when

it boils and I still enjoy a cup of tea...in the meantime 'Life' evolves as

it's meant to (all of the time, for all of us)...it's only difficult if we

perceive it that way, don't you agree?

The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the natural transition

from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging him to

please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all when the

time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is meant to

be.

We often share amongst ourselves the inspiring words of the Bhagavad Gita

etc, etc., but do we really believe those words? I think, for many of us,

they're like nice poetry...uplifting for a while, until we're faced with the

reality of someone passing and we quickly forget them as our heart shudders

with the fear of death.

Like the birth of a child, death is filled with mystery and wonder :-)

Of course my dear sister is scared, she doesn't want to die and certainly

doesn't want to face the difficult road ahead undergoing chemo and all the

other treatments they put you through trying to stall the inevitable; and

certainly, for me, with so much happening around me, things can get a bit

hectic...the head a bit scattered!

But this is when we benefit most from the silence of deep meditation, is it

not :-)

If we can't accept (or understand) the natural pattern of life and death and

the ebbing nature of joy and sorrow, how can we hope to fathom the brilliant

(profound) light of jyotish.

From JyotishVidya.com:

*It is said that Jyotish should never be taken on any level other than the

level of Vedanta.

From this level we are led to realize our true identity - as an infinite

eternal blissful soul -

free from the consequences of ignorance and suffering...*

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

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<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:53 PM

RE: Wendy ji - your sister

Dear Wendy,

I am very sorry to hear about this news and the difficult times you are

going though.

Please take care.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

_____

February 5, 2008

Dear Wendy,

I can relate to some of that personally, if I may share...

Couple of years ago I got the message in the middle of the workday

that my sister-in-law called with some urgent message. My thoughts

dwindled between my 90+year old mother and my 60+ year old eldest

brother who has had some major health problems over the last few

years, both living in the same city. I squashed my negative thoughts

and figured it has got to be my mother.

I kept trying and finally reached bhabhi who told me that mom died

peacefully and then it was the practical things of making sure work

got done while I was away and travel and all that.

It was not entirely unexpected, of course as anyone can imagine. I

could tell that my brother was very distraught through the next few

days although he was always a fighter, a role model beyond my reach,

always! He was to give the memorial address at our mother's funeral,

obviously. The very first night, somewhat confused between the loss,

thought to be expected and all the surroundings (many of the next

generations in our clan spread all over the world were visiting that

summer, it so happened)-- I could not sleep and for some reason found

myself thinking of my mother's life and the next night I was almost

without volition preparing what began to sound like a speech,

an 'address " .

The morning of my mother's funeral, my brother passed away in his

sleep. I ended up delivering the memorial address that very

afternoon, for which I was " prepared " and another one a few days

later for which I was not!

Life is indeed strange and mysterious and I would not have it any

other way. I almost never look at my horoscope or of my close

relatives and friends. Call it a private quirk that has been

inculcated in me almost as whatever that was that prepared me for my

mother's memorial address!

RR

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash and All,

>

> Things are really not so difficult at all...the kettle still

whistles when

> it boils and I still enjoy a cup of tea...in the meantime 'Life'

evolves as

> it's meant to (all of the time, for all of us)...it's only

difficult if we

> perceive it that way, don't you agree?

>

> The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the natural

transition

> from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging

him to

> please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all

when the

> time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is

meant to

> be.

>

> We often share amongst ourselves the inspiring words of the

Bhagavad Gita

> etc, etc., but do we really believe those words? I think, for many

of us,

> they're like nice poetry...uplifting for a while, until we're faced

with the

> reality of someone passing and we quickly forget them as our heart

shudders

> with the fear of death.

>

> Like the birth of a child, death is filled with mystery and

wonder :-)

>

> Of course my dear sister is scared, she doesn't want to die and

certainly

> doesn't want to face the difficult road ahead undergoing chemo and

all the

> other treatments they put you through trying to stall the

inevitable; and

> certainly, for me, with so much happening around me, things can get

a bit

> hectic...the head a bit scattered!

> But this is when we benefit most from the silence of deep

meditation, is it

> not :-)

>

> If we can't accept (or understand) the natural pattern of life and

death and

> the ebbing nature of joy and sorrow, how can we hope to fathom the

brilliant

> (profound) light of jyotish.

>

> From JyotishVidya.com:

> *It is said that Jyotish should never be taken on any level other

than the

> level of Vedanta.

> From this level we are led to realize our true identity - as an

infinite

> eternal blissful soul -

> free from the consequences of ignorance and suffering...*

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

> -

> " Ash's Corner " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:53 PM

> RE: Wendy ji - your sister

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> I am very sorry to hear about this news and the difficult times you

are

> going though.

>

> Please take care.

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

>

February 5, 2008

Wendy,

//The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the natural transition

from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging him to

please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all when the

time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is meant to

be.\\

Change and decay are written upon every living thing. The cradle and the

coffin stand side by side, and it is a meclancholy truth that as soon as we

begin to live that moment also we begin to die.

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Ash and All,

Things are really not so difficult at all...the kettle still whistles when

it boils and I still enjoy a cup of tea...in the meantime 'Life' evolves as

it's meant to (all of the time, for all of us)...it's only difficult if we

perceive it that way, don't you agree?

The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the natural transition

from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging him to

please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all when the

time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is meant to

be.

We often share amongst ourselves the inspiring words of the Bhagavad Gita

etc, etc., but do we really believe those words? I think, for many of us,

they're like nice poetry...uplifting for a while, until we're faced with the

reality of someone passing and we quickly forget them as our heart shudders

with the fear of death.

Like the birth of a child, death is filled with mystery and wonder :-)

Of course my dear sister is scared, she doesn't want to die and certainly

doesn't want to face the difficult road ahead undergoing chemo and all the

other treatments they put you through trying to stall the inevitable; and

certainly, for me, with so much happening around me, things can get a bit

hectic...the head a bit scattered!

But this is when we benefit most from the silence of deep meditation, is it

not :-)

If we can't accept (or understand) the natural pattern of life and death and

the ebbing nature of joy and sorrow, how can we hope to fathom the brilliant

(profound) light of jyotish.

From JyotishVidya.com:

*It is said that Jyotish should never be taken on any level other than the

level of Vedanta.

From this level we are led to realize our true identity - as an infinite

eternal blissful soul -

free from the consequences of ignorance and suffering...*

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

___

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<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:53 PM

RE: Wendy ji - your sister

Dear Wendy,

I am very sorry to hear about this news and the difficult times you are

going though.

Please take care.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

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February 5, 2008

Dear Mrs Wendy,

Love you for all the patience you have shown in replying to

all the mails addressed to you even in your troubling times. May god

ease all your pains for being so good. You are truly an altruist and I

feel blessed to get in touch with a person like you.

May god bless you and your family.

With prayers,

manasa.

February 5, 2008

Dear Eligio,

" it is a meclancholy truth that as soon as we begin to live that

moment also we begin to die. "

That is why we were given, kindly, the gift of memory and recall!

We truly begin to die when our memory begins to die!

As long as we remember or more correctly -- can remember and recall,

we remain ALIVE!

Alzheimers! A scary word but also REAL and fairly commonplace! Or

some variant thereof! Probably more imminent a danger for many of us

than the weapons of mass destruction that were never found!

Sorry! I am not trying to turn this into a different thread! But

think about it ...

RR

jyotish-vidya , ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio

wrote:

>

> Wendy,

>

> //The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the

natural transition

> from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging

him to

> please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all

when the

> time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is

meant to

> be.\\

>

> Change and decay are written upon every living thing. The cradle

and the coffin stand side by side, and it is a meclancholy truth that

as soon as we begin to live that moment also we begin to die.

>

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

> Dear Ash and All,

>

> Things are really not so difficult at all...the kettle still

whistles when

> it boils and I still enjoy a cup of tea...in the meantime 'Life'

evolves as

> it's meant to (all of the time, for all of us)...it's only

difficult if we

> perceive it that way, don't you agree?

>

> The fear of death melts away when we recognise it as the natural

transition

> from this life. I can't imagine running to the doctor and begging

him to

> please save my sister...save her from what? Death comes to us all

when the

> time is right...nobody has the power to save anybody from what is

meant to

> be.

>

> We often share amongst ourselves the inspiring words of the

Bhagavad Gita

> etc, etc., but do we really believe those words? I think, for many

of us,

> they're like nice poetry...uplifting for a while, until we're faced

with the

> reality of someone passing and we quickly forget them as our heart

shudders

> with the fear of death.

>

> Like the birth of a child, death is filled with mystery and

wonder :-)

>

> Of course my dear sister is scared, she doesn't want to die and

certainly

> doesn't want to face the difficult road ahead undergoing chemo and

all the

> other treatments they put you through trying to stall the

inevitable; and

> certainly, for me, with so much happening around me, things can get

a bit

> hectic...the head a bit scattered!

> But this is when we benefit most from the silence of deep

meditation, is it

> not :-)

>

> If we can't accept (or understand) the natural pattern of life and

death and

> the ebbing nature of joy and sorrow, how can we hope to fathom the

brilliant

> (profound) light of jyotish.

>

> From JyotishVidya.com:

> *It is said that Jyotish should never be taken on any level other

than the

> level of Vedanta.

> From this level we are led to realize our true identity - as an

infinite

> eternal blissful soul -

> free from the consequences of ignorance and suffering...*

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

> -

> " Ash's Corner " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:53 PM

> RE: Wendy ji - your sister

>

> Dear Wendy,

>

> I am very sorry to hear about this news and the difficult times you

are

> going though.

>

> Please take care.

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> _____

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

February 6, 2008

Wendy ji,

///We often share amongst ourselves the inspiring

words of the Bhagavad Gita etc, etc., but do we really

believe those words? I think, for many of us, they're

like nice poetry...uplifting for a while, until we're

faced with the reality of someone passing and we

quickly forget them as our heart shudders with the

fear of death.///

A lot of us are like parrots--a parrot can be trained

to say the divine names of God. But, when it is caught

by a cat, it will say " krrr! " and forget all that it

has learnt!

Truly, for somebody who is religious, death should

hold no fear.

Of course, I'm still just 35. I don't know how I will

react when my time ultimately comes. Hopefully, God

will give me the courage--and the wisdom--to pass on

gracefully, secure in the knowledge that I will

forever have His blessings.

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

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February 6, 2008

Wendy ji,

I cast the chart of your sister with the following

data:

Bernice; 11 Oct 1938 (13:32, 3:32 GMT); Melbourne,

Australia (37s49, 144e58, 10:00 East, no DST) and got

Lagna as Capricorn 24:11

She is running Gu-Ch from March-06-2007 to

July-05-2008.

The colon is ruled by the 7th house, while the liver

is ruled by Guru and by the 5th.

When considering medicine, I have always felt that the

11th is among the most malefic houses because, not

only is it a trishadya, it is also the 12th from the

12th of hospitals, and the 6th from the 6th of

diseases.

In your sister's chart, the malefic nature of the 11th

is evident in the following:

* The lord of the 5th occupies the 11th in star of

Lagnadipati. Both the 11th and Sani are aspected by

11th lord, who is in the 8th house of chronic

ailments.

* The 9th lord, who can give relief thru medicines, is

in the 9th, but he is badly combust by being less than

1 degree away from Surya. He is also the lord of the

6th in the star of 11th lord.

* Affliction of the colon can be seen from 7th lord

Chandra, who is conjunct Ketu. Both Ketu and Chandra

are in the star of Sukra, who is in the 11th. The

conjunction of Ketu with Chandra could mean

obstruction of diagnosis and treatment.

At one level, the affliction has been aggravated by

aspect of 6th and 8th lords on Sani. Also, Sani is

associated with all the trishadyas--the 3rd by being

there, and by the aspect of the 6th and the 11th lord.

Has her health been bad generally throughout life?

BTW, is she religious? I ask because Ketu occupies 4th

[Moksha bhava], while 4th lord occupies 8th. The

presence of the 9th lord in the 9th--no matter how

badly combust--is also encouraging in the context of

religion.

You had once told me that religious people have to go

through a lot of suffering. Is this a case in point?

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

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February 6, 2008

Dear Balaji,

Thank you for looking at Bernie's chart :-)

Hopefully I can go through it with you later today but, just quickly,

regarding the following;

///At one level, the affliction has been aggravated by

aspect of 6th and 8th lords on Sani. Also, Sani is

associated with all the trishadyas--the 3rd by being

there, and by the aspect of the 6th and the 11th lord.

Has her health been bad generally throughout life?///

Yes, she has suffered health problems for most of her adult life. Mostly

back pain, but also kidney problems, heart etc, etc..

///BTW, is she religious? I ask because Ketu occupies 4th

[Moksha bhava], while 4th lord occupies 8th. The

presence of the 9th lord in the 9th--no matter how

badly combust--is also encouraging in the context of

religion.///

Very much so! But completely unconventional (untraditional). She was a

minister of a " Spiritualist Church'...9th lord combust 8th lord (in 9th)

whilst 9th karaka is afflicted in lagna etc, etc..

Can talk more soon, hopefully.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:44 PM

Re: Wendy ji - your sister

Wendy ji,

I cast the chart of your sister with the following

data:

Bernice; 11 Oct 1938 (13:32, 3:32 GMT); Melbourne,

Australia (37s49, 144e58, 10:00 East, no DST) and got

Lagna as Capricorn 24:11

She is running Gu-Ch from March-06-2007 to

July-05-2008.

The colon is ruled by the 7th house, while the liver

is ruled by Guru and by the 5th.

When considering medicine, I have always felt that the

11th is among the most malefic houses because, not

only is it a trishadya, it is also the 12th from the

12th of hospitals, and the 6th from the 6th of

diseases.

In your sister's chart, the malefic nature of the 11th

is evident in the following:

* The lord of the 5th occupies the 11th in star of

Lagnadipati. Both the 11th and Sani are aspected by

11th lord, who is in the 8th house of chronic

ailments.

* The 9th lord, who can give relief thru medicines, is

in the 9th, but he is badly combust by being less than

1 degree away from Surya. He is also the lord of the

6th in the star of 11th lord.

* Affliction of the colon can be seen from 7th lord

Chandra, who is conjunct Ketu. Both Ketu and Chandra

are in the star of Sukra, who is in the 11th. The

conjunction of Ketu with Chandra could mean

obstruction of diagnosis and treatment.

At one level, the affliction has been aggravated by

aspect of 6th and 8th lords on Sani. Also, Sani is

associated with all the trishadyas--the 3rd by being

there, and by the aspect of the 6th and the 11th lord.

Has her health been bad generally throughout life?

BTW, is she religious? I ask because Ketu occupies 4th

[Moksha bhava], while 4th lord occupies 8th. The

presence of the 9th lord in the 9th--no matter how

badly combust--is also encouraging in the context of

religion.

You had once told me that religious people have to go

through a lot of suffering. Is this a case in point?

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

~~~~~~~~~

February 7, 2008

Wendy ji,

///Yes, she has suffered health problems for most of

her adult life. Mostly back pain, but also kidney

problems, heart etc, etc..///

Heart problems--possibly because 4th lord occupies

dushtana 8th, while Sani aspects the karaka for heart.

Kidneys--because karaka Sukra occupies the 11th?

///Very much so! But completely unconventional

(untraditional) . She was a minister of a

" Spiritualist Church'...9th lord combust 8th lord (in

9th) whilst 9th karaka is afflicted in lagna etc,

etc..///

Good! Personally, I think that, though God loves all

people, He has a special corner for those who are

devoted to Him, but still dare to be different! :-)

~~~~~~~~~

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February 10, 2008

Dear Balaji,

///Good! Personally, I think that, though God loves all

people, He has a special corner for those who are

devoted to Him, but still dare to be different! :-)///

:-)))

It's been a long day and I'm too weary for anything but a smile at the

moment...the smile is genuine however :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:59 PM

Re: Wendy ji - your sister

Wendy ji,

///Yes, she has suffered health problems for most of

her adult life. Mostly back pain, but also kidney

problems, heart etc, etc..///

Heart problems--possibly because 4th lord occupies

dushtana 8th, while Sani aspects the karaka for heart.

Kidneys--because karaka Sukra occupies the 11th?

///Very much so! But completely unconventional

(untraditional) . She was a minister of a

" Spiritualist Church'...9th lord combust 8th lord (in

9th) whilst 9th karaka is afflicted in lagna etc,

etc..///

Good! Personally, I think that, though God loves all

people, He has a special corner for those who are

devoted to Him, but still dare to be different! :-)

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

~~~~~~~~~

February 10, 2008

Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar. It has been a long time...

You are right when you say that you cannot rush to the

Doctor and implore him/her to save your sister's life. But

believe me no life is snatched away until it has been time..

A purpose fulfilled and task accomplished, whose and how and

when is not in our hands but the Divine..

My heart is full of thoughts for your sister ...

She is lucky to have a courageous sister in you,

God Bless

Nalini

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February 10, 2008

Dear Nalini,

Your name immediately rang a bell and I recalled a picture in our photo

album...is that you by chance?

If so, it certainly has been a long time :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:57 PM

Re: Wendy ji - your sister

Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar. It has been a long time...

You are right when you say that you cannot rush to the

Doctor and implore him/her to save your sister's life. But

believe me no life is snatched away until it has been time..

A purpose fulfilled and task accomplished, whose and how and

when is not in our hands but the Divine..

My heart is full of thoughts for your sister ...

She is lucky to have a courageous sister in you,

God Bless

Nalini

February 10, 2008

Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar.

You have recalled right. I am engaged in furthering my

para and apara vidya ....

I guess I shall remain an eternal learner,

I recall a quote of Sri Aurobindo, " Our tasks are given, we

are but instruments; Nothing is all out own that we

create... "

Kind Regards

Nalini

" To be young is to be always ready to give up what we are in

order to become what we must be " - The Mother

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Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar.

That was perfect.. the link to my inner feelings...

I could not have done justice even if I had attempted

to try answer PDK ji.

Thanks (:

Regards

Nalini

" Never think of a difficulty - you give it strength " -The

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Dear Nalini,

Probably I shouldn't have jumped to respond to pdk's query since he'd asked

you specifically. But, having found the site, I thought it would be good to

pass it on :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Nalini Swamy " <nalini2818

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:20 PM

Re: Wendy ji - your sister

Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar.

That was perfect.. the link to my inner feelings...

I could not have done justice even if I had attempted

to try answer PDK ji.

Thanks (:

Regards

Nalini

" Never think of a difficulty - you give it strength " -The

Mother

February 14, 2008

Pujay shri

Many thanks to BOTH of u.

But unfortunately that site seems to be out of function at the moment.

Hari bol

Nalini Swamy <nalini2818 wrote:

Dear Wendy ji,

Namaskar.

That was perfect.. the link to my inner feelings...

I could not have done justice even if I had attempted

to try answer PDK ji.

Thanks (:

Regards

Nalini

" Never think of a difficulty - you give it strength " -The

Mother

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February 14, 2008

Dear pdk,

I've pasted this from the site http://www.ahwan.org/article30.htm

....hope it helps!

*There is yet another aspect that often confuses a novice mind when we speak

of srutis being the authority for study of Bramhan. It is the concept of

apara vidya and para vidya, roughly translated as inferior knowledge and

superior knowledge. We have a upanishad called the Mundaka which raises this

point and deals somewhat extensively on the issue. It makes this distinction

about knowledge or jnana, and declares in the beginning that all these Rk

Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda, Atharva Veda, this science of sound

pronunciation, code of conducts, grammar, etymology, the poetic metre,

astrology etc are all inferior knowledge.

Apara rkvedo yajurvedah samavedotharvavedah siksha kalpo vyakaranam niruktam

chando yotishamiti

It is like pouring cold water on everything we have discussed so far.

With The Vedas being delegated to inferior knowledge, all our upanishads

vedanga sutras, etc lose their importance as the authoritative source of

Bramhan. This is a great confusion if not properly understood.

We have a similar situation even in Chandogya Upanishad, another of our

authoritative sources. When rishi Narada went to acquire higher knowledge

from Sanat Kumara, he was asked first to recount what he already knows. So

Narada went on to give a long list of vedic scriptures he has studied,

starting from The Vedas to mathematics, sciences, logic and all that, saying

that " I know all these.' To this, Sanat Kumara replied 'All these are mere

names' mere words. Yat vai etat nama eva etat.

There is something beyond all these and after knowing that, you can rightly

say 'I know' -or I have truly studied- Adhyemi.

The obvious question that comes to mind is that, if studying all these

spiritual scriptures is inferior knowledge, what good will accrue, by

studying them? If the Vedas and Upanishads are apara vidya, then where do

all other spiritual writings of eminent saints like Sankaracharya,

Vivekananda and even Sri Aurobindo and their likes stand? Is it all a waste?

Will it not be better to go in for something, which is the higher knowledge

or para vidya straightaway and leave all these aside?

This forces us to delve deep into understanding clearly, the very concept of

knowledge itself.

The Mundaka Upanishad where this question is raised, also goes to length in

explaining what is indeed true knowledge. So also does The Chandogya.

This english word 'knowledge' is so generic and unclear in its meaning that,

it gives little scope for a wider understanding. In sanskrit, we have

atleast three words, which help to differentiate between levels of

knowledge. We have vidya, jnana and vijnana. Although no clear cut english

translations are available, these can be roughly translated as textual

knowledge as in books and also acquired by seeing, hearing etc as vidya,

understanding of that at intellect level as jnana, and realisation at

consciousness level as vijnana. Lord Krishna makes similar distinction in

the seventh chapter of Bhagavad Gita, - The Jnana Vijnana Yoga.

Mundaka Upanishad tells us that when you have read the texts, listened to

explanations you have been exposed only to apara vidya. You have gained some

vidya, but this vidya is indeed like paddy in the paddy stalks in the field.

Until taken out, cooked and eaten it does not serve your purpose.

The purpose of vidya is to be understood by intellect and realised by

consciousness. Until that happens it is indeed useless.

Apara Vidya and para vidya, lower knowledge and higher knowledge, are not

two different things. There are no two syllabuses as we are accustomed to in

our education system. The same apara vidya when it reaches and gets

assimilated at the consciousness level becomes para vidya. It then assumes

value, width and depth. It then has the power to transform and remould you

into a 'better being' as Sri Aurobindo would put it. Between aparavidya and

paravidya, the vidya does not change, it is we who change. It is the first

level of transformation.*

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy