Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, Thanks for sharing this interesting case of a 'fallen' sanyasi. This has definite similarities (for fall) with the case shared by Wendy. In case Pramahamsa Yogananda, as far as my knowledge goes, he did not suffer any 'fall' during his lifetime. Is it because of the fact that though 5th lord goes to 8th, it goes to its own house and hence protects it? I would like to just add a comment to the two other charts you have shared (ordinary people). In both cases, some planets are combust. Hence, though there is a count, there is no strength to form the ascetic yoga. Regards, Krishna --- ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > time in > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > 5th lord > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > his > fall, it is known to everybody. > > Male > Jul 18, 1935 > Time: 6:39 PM > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > looked > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > event in > different lives, unmistakably. > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of this > chart, > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > between > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > that I > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > shown it > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions on > some of > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. Indians > are > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > not > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > so > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to liquidate > their > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > life time > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart and > one of > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > her > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of a > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > disciple > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > it > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning and > 8th is > the house of secrets). > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four or > more > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > for the > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > Male > 9th January, 1986 > 5:46 PM > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > 77E57, 10N21 > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > from his > home town) > > Male > 27th July, 1976 > 05:20 AM > Kanchipuram > 79E43, 12N50 > > (Ordinary person had technical education in IT and he thinks, > life is > to be really lived only in USA and wants to settle in USA as > his > brother and his spouse settled in USA, after the IT boom in > India.) > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > Dear Ravindramani, > > ///There are other combinations leads them to take the life of > > sanyasa andsome of them fall from their position too in one > time or > the other in theirascetic life. One factor which I observe is > that > 5th lord in 8th house orthe connection with 8th./// > > This is evident, of course, in the chart of Bhagwan Rajneesh. > Out of > the 5planets in 8th, all except Mars, are inimically placed > interesting to note that combust Mars, dispositor of moksha > lord Sun, > has 12th (moksha bhava) as moolatrikona. I'm sure most are > aware of > the dreadful (worldwide) scandal surrounding Rajneesh that, in > fact, > led him to change his name to Osho. It can certainly be said > that he > attained both fame and infamy during his life. > > At the height of his fame (as a religious leader) I read > several of > his books and listened to many of his taped lectures. The > depth of his > spiritually always impressed me and I found him absolutely > inspiring. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Shape in your own image. 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Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Ravindramani, ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the combination of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to become a monk or ascetic./// Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a number of yogas pointing to ascetism. ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th house, in the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his disciples, in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding land and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples (Jupiter) in 8th can indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm reminded of the chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu conjunct 8th lord Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful scandals involving ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord Venus (in 9th) is in combustion with 8th lord. ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has worldwide followers./// If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " ravindramani " <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM Re: Conditions for sanyasa Dear Mrs. Wendy, Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of time in my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his 5th lord in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of his fall, it is known to everybody. Male Jul 18, 1935 Time: 6:39 PM Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the combination of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to become a monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be looked into and how an astrological combination repeats the same event in different lives, unmistakably. (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of this chart, elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship between me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know that I caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in astrological research. His greatness is that he has never shown it to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions on some of the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. Indians are ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do not ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is so powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to liquidate their own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the life time or even after shedding their mortal coils. 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart and one of them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or her fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of a disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of disciple and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly it happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning and 8th is the house of secrets). One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th house, in the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his disciples, in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding land and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four or more planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here for the benefit of those who are interested in such data. Male 9th January, 1986 5:46 PM Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India 77E57, 10N21 (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away from his home town) Male 27th July, 1976 05:20 AM Kanchipuram 79E43, 12N50 (Ordinary person had technical education in IT and he thinks, life is to be really lived only in USA and wants to settle in USA as his brother and his spouse settled in USA, after the IT boom in India.) Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Krishna, ///In case Pramahamsa Yogananda, as far as my knowledge goes, he did not suffer any 'fall' during his lifetime. Is it because of the fact that though 5th lord goes to 8th, it goes to its own house and hence protects it?/// There are a couple of points worth considering here. As we know, Lagna shows this life whilst 12th shows that which is beyond this life and 8th shows legacies, past and future events etc, etc.. In the chart of Osho (Rajneesh), lagna lord Venus closely conjunct 5th lord, joins the other planets, including 10th lord Saturn (in 8th) in sign of Jupiter (who happens to occupy 8th therefrom)...great scandal in this life! Also consider the legacy inherited by disciples - 12th shows this specifically being 8th from 5th. You might care to study the charts of Prabhupada and Paramahansa in this same light. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <krishna_1998 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:08 PM Re: Re: Conditions for sanyasa Dear Ravindramani, Thanks for sharing this interesting case of a 'fallen' sanyasi. This has definite similarities (for fall) with the case shared by Wendy. In case Pramahamsa Yogananda, as far as my knowledge goes, he did not suffer any 'fall' during his lifetime. Is it because of the fact that though 5th lord goes to 8th, it goes to its own house and hence protects it? I would like to just add a comment to the two other charts you have shared (ordinary people). In both cases, some planets are combust. Hence, though there is a count, there is no strength to form the ascetic yoga. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Wendy, //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish)// Though I know who this person is, I will leave it Ravindramani to reveal the same. What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, Sani, Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! According to one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I think it is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the native with twice the number years the planet would give otherwise. Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic./// > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a > number of yogas > pointing to ascetism. > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples (Jupiter) > in 8th can > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > reminded of the > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu > conjunct 8th lord > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful scandals > involving > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord Venus > (in 9th) is > in combustion with 8th lord. > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has worldwide > followers./// > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > time in > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > 5th lord > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > his > fall, it is known to everybody. > > Male > Jul 18, 1935 > Time: 6:39 PM > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > looked > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > event in > different lives, unmistakably. > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of this > chart, > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > between > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > that I > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > shown it > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions on > some of > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. Indians > are > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > not > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > so > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to liquidate > their > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > life time > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart and > one of > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > her > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of a > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > disciple > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > it > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning and > 8th is > the house of secrets). > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four or > more > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > for the > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > Male > 9th January, 1986 > 5:46 PM > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > 77E57, 10N21 > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > from his > home town) > > Male > 27th July, 1976 > 05:20 AM > Kanchipuram > 79E43, 12N50 > > (Ordinary person had technical education in IT and he thinks, > life is > to be really lived only in USA and wants to settle in USA as > his > brother and his spouse settled in USA, after the IT boom in > India.) > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv./collections/3658 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Hello The other rule for Ascetism stated by Dr BV Raman is " when the dispositor of Moon is connected / aspected by Saturn, the native attains ascetism. In my chart both in D-1 and D-9 chart the dispoistor of moon is aspected / conjoined by Saturn. I am not an ascetic. Regards MK Viswanath Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Wendy, //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish)// Though I know who this person is, I will leave it Ravindramani to reveal the same. What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, Sani, Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! According to one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I think it is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the native with twice the number years the planet would give otherwise. Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic./// > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a > number of yogas > pointing to ascetism. > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples (Jupiter) > in 8th can > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > reminded of the > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu > conjunct 8th lord > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful scandals > involving > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord Venus > (in 9th) is > in combustion with 8th lord. > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has worldwide > followers./// > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > time in > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > 5th lord > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > his > fall, it is known to everybody. > > Male > Jul 18, 1935 > Time: 6:39 PM > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > looked > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > event in > different lives, unmistakably. > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of this > chart, > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > between > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > that I > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > shown it > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions on > some of > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. Indians > are > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > not > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > so > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to liquidate > their > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > life time > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart and > one of > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > her > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of a > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > disciple > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > it > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning and > 8th is > the house of secrets). > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four or > more > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > for the > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > Male > 9th January, 1986 > 5:46 PM > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > 77E57, 10N21 > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > from his > home town) > > Male > 27th July, 1976 > 05:20 AM > Kanchipuram > 79E43, 12N50 > > (Ordinary person had technical education in IT and he thinks, > life is > to be really lived only in USA and wants to settle in USA as > his > brother and his spouse settled in USA, after the IT boom in > India.) > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > ________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv./collections/3658 Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 Dear Wedny, Thanks for the pointers. I will take a look at those. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > ///In case Pramahamsa Yogananda, as far as my knowledge goes, > he > did not suffer any 'fall' during his lifetime. Is it because > of > the fact that though 5th lord goes to 8th, it goes to its own > house and hence protects it?/// > > There are a couple of points worth considering here. As we > know, Lagna shows > this life whilst 12th shows that which is beyond this life and > 8th shows > legacies, past and future events etc, etc.. > > In the chart of Osho (Rajneesh), lagna lord Venus closely > conjunct 5th lord, > joins the other planets, including 10th lord Saturn (in 8th) > in sign of > Jupiter (who happens to occupy 8th therefrom)...great scandal > in this life! > Also consider the legacy inherited by disciples - 12th shows > this > specifically being 8th from 5th. > > You might care to study the charts of Prabhupada and > Paramahansa in this > same light. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > ______________________________\ ____ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv./collections/3658 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Mr Krishna sometime back I have also raised this topic of vargothama planets. I have a chart whose details are as follows. 3 Nov 1981 at 4.15pm place Hyderabad. In this chart also 6 planets including Rahu Ketu are vargothama. I also wanted to know the implications. It was told that if the houses where vargothama planets are posited carry more points in SAV it gives good effects. I look forward to further feedback on this. savithri Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Wendy, //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish)// Though I know who this person is, I will leave it Ravindramani to reveal the same. What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, Sani, Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! According to one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I think it is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the native with twice the number years the planet would give otherwise. Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. Regards, Krishna --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic./// > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a > number of yogas > pointing to ascetism. > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples (Jupiter) > in 8th can > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > reminded of the > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu > conjunct 8th lord > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful scandals > involving > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord Venus > (in 9th) is > in combustion with 8th lord. > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has worldwide > followers./// > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you wish) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > time in > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > 5th lord > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > his > fall, it is known to everybody. > > Male > Jul 18, 1935 > Time: 6:39 PM > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > combination > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > become a > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > looked > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > event in > different lives, unmistakably. > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of this > chart, > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > between > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > that I > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > shown it > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions on > some of > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. Indians > are > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > not > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > so > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to liquidate > their > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > life time > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart and > one of > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > her > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of a > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > disciple > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > it > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning and > 8th is > the house of secrets). > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > house, in > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > disciples, > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law regarding > land > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four or > more > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > for the > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > Male > 9th January, 1986 > 5:46 PM > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > 77E57, 10N21 > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > from his > home town) > > Male > 27th July, 1976 > 05:20 AM > Kanchipuram > 79E43, 12N50 > > (Ordinary person had technical education in IT and he thinks, > life is > to be really lived only in USA and wants to settle in USA as > his > brother and his spouse settled in USA, after the IT boom in > India.) > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > ________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv./collections/3658 Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Ms. Savithri Mahesh, Vargottama status in general makes a planet stronger. And, a planet in vargottama status strengthens lagna thereby enhancing longevity. But, when a planet is vargottama and debilitated, the combination is not considered good. Regards, Krishna --- SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > Dear Mr Krishna > > sometime back I have also raised this topic of vargothama > planets. I have a chart whose details are as follows. > 3 Nov 1981 at 4.15pm place Hyderabad. In this chart also 6 > planets including Rahu Ketu are vargothama. I also wanted to > know the implications. > It was told that if the houses where vargothama planets are > posited carry more points in SAV it gives good effects. > > I look forward to further feedback on this. > > savithri > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Wendy, > > //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > wish)// > > Though I know who this person is, I will leave it Ravindramani > to reveal the same. > > What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many > vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, Sani, > Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! According > to > one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I think > it > is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the > native > with twice the number years the planet would give otherwise. > Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > > combination > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > become a > > monk or ascetic./// > > > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a > > number of yogas > > pointing to ascetism. > > > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > > > house, in > > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > > disciples, > > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law > regarding > > land > > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// > > > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples > (Jupiter) > > in 8th can > > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > > reminded of the > > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu > > conjunct 8th lord > > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful > scandals > > involving > > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord > Venus > > (in 9th) is > > in combustion with 8th lord. > > > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide > > followers./// > > > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > wish) > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > > <jyotish-vidya > > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > > time in > > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > > 5th lord > > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > > his > > fall, it is known to everybody. > > > > Male > > Jul 18, 1935 > > Time: 6:39 PM > > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > > combination > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > become a > > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > > looked > > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > > event in > > different lives, unmistakably. > > > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of > this > > chart, > > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > > between > > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > > that I > > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > > shown it > > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions > on > > some of > > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. > Indians > > are > > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > > not > > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > > so > > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to > liquidate > > their > > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > > life time > > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart > and > > one of > > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > > her > > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of > a > > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > > disciple > > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > > it > > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning > and > > 8th is > > the house of secrets). > > > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > > house, in > > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > > disciples, > > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law > regarding > > land > > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four > or > > more > > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > > for the > > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > > > > Male > > 9th January, 1986 > > 5:46 PM > > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > > 77E57, 10N21 > > > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > > from his > > home town) > > > > Male > > 27th July, 1976 > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Games. http://sims./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear Krishna Jee, I had similar query on chart of person with Saturn in Aries in Rashi and Navamsha.Can you also please tell more about deblitated Vargotama in this person whose Saturn a is Lord of trine (5th house) also ( Virgo Lagna) She also has Mercury deblitaed in Rashi and exalted in Navamsha. Some where I read Mercury deblitated is not good for education but what if it exalted in Navamsa. aincerely kamal - Krishnamurthy Seetharama jyotish-vidya Monday, September 17, 2007 2:01 PM Re: Re: Conditions for sanyasa Dear Ms. Savithri Mahesh, Vargottama status in general makes a planet stronger. And, a planet in vargottama status strengthens lagna thereby enhancing longevity. But, when a planet is vargottama and debilitated, the combination is not considered good. Regards, Krishna --- SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > Dear Mr Krishna > > sometime back I have also raised this topic of vargothama > planets. I have a chart whose details are as follows. > 3 Nov 1981 at 4.15pm place Hyderabad. In this chart also 6 > planets including Rahu Ketu are vargothama. I also wanted to > know the implications. > It was told that if the houses where vargothama planets are > posited carry more points in SAV it gives good effects. > > I look forward to further feedback on this. > > savithri > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Wendy, > > //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > wish)// > > Though I know who this person is, I will leave it Ravindramani > to reveal the same. > > What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many > vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, Sani, > Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! According > to > one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I think > it > is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the > native > with twice the number years the planet would give otherwise. > Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > > combination > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > become a > > monk or ascetic./// > > > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one of a > > number of yogas > > pointing to ascetism. > > > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > > > house, in > > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > > disciples, > > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law > regarding > > land > > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil./// > > > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples > (Jupiter) > > in 8th can > > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > > reminded of the > > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and Ketu > > conjunct 8th lord > > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful > scandals > > involving > > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord > Venus > > (in 9th) is > > in combustion with 8th lord. > > > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > worldwide > > followers./// > > > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > wish) > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > > <jyotish-vidya > > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point of > > time in > > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having his > > 5th lord > > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details of > > his > > fall, it is known to everybody. > > > > Male > > Jul 18, 1935 > > Time: 6:39 PM > > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only the > > combination > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > become a > > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to be > > looked > > into and how an astrological combination repeats the same > > event in > > different lives, unmistakably. > > > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis of > this > > chart, > > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of friendship > > between > > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to know > > that I > > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 years in > > astrological research. His greatness is that he has never > > shown it > > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my questions > on > > some of > > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > > > Such is the sentiment attached in India, on sanyasis. > Indians > > are > > ready to get deceived hundred times by a fake sanyasi but do > > not > > ready to offend a real sanyasi even once. But the destiny is > > so > > powerful that even the greatest of sanysais have to > liquidate > > their > > own karmas and to face humiliation at times, either in the > > life time > > or even after shedding their mortal coils. > > > > 5th lord in the 8th gives number of indications in a chart > and > > one of > > them is that, " the disciple is one of the reasons for his or > > her > > fall " or " the humiliation to be faced by them is because of > a > > disciple or the acts of a disciple " . (5th is the house of > > disciple > > and 8th is the house of intrigues and scandals). One more > > indication in such a situation is " secret planning " . Mostly > > it > > happens in number of cases. (5th is the house of planning > and > > 8th is > > the house of secrets). > > > > One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the 8th > > house, in > > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > > disciples, > > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law > regarding > > land > > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal coil. > > > > The following data is meant for a member who asked me, four > or > > more > > planets in a Kendra for his research. I am posting it here > > for the > > benefit of those who are interested in such data. > > > > > > Male > > 9th January, 1986 > > 5:46 PM > > Dindigul, Tamil Nadu, India > > 77E57, 10N21 > > > > (Ordinary boy, who is pursuing an engineering degree, away > > from his > > home town) > > > > Male > > 27th July, 1976 > === message truncated === ________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? 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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Dear Kamal, As Saturn is debilitated and is in a dusthanana (8th), the 5th house significations suffer as Saturn is the lord of 5th. The effect will be even more severe when Saturn is debilitated in Navamsha also. When a debilitated planet is exalted in Navamsha it gets some relief from the debilitated state. Regards, Krishna --- " Sight>solutions " <sightsolutions wrote: > Dear Krishna Jee, > > I had similar query on chart of person with Saturn in Aries in > Rashi and Navamsha.Can you also please tell more about > deblitated Vargotama in this person whose Saturn a is Lord of > trine (5th house) also ( Virgo Lagna) > > She also has Mercury deblitaed in Rashi and exalted in > Navamsha. Some where I read Mercury deblitated is not good for > education but what if it exalted in Navamsa. > > aincerely > > kamal > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > jyotish-vidya > Monday, September 17, 2007 2:01 PM > Re: Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > Dear Ms. Savithri Mahesh, > > Vargottama status in general makes a planet stronger. And, a > planet in vargottama status strengthens lagna thereby > enhancing > longevity. But, when a planet is vargottama and debilitated, > the > combination is not considered good. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- SAVITHRI MAHESH <savithri_mahesh2000 wrote: > > > Dear Mr Krishna > > > > sometime back I have also raised this topic of vargothama > > planets. I have a chart whose details are as follows. > > 3 Nov 1981 at 4.15pm place Hyderabad. In this chart also 6 > > planets including Rahu Ketu are vargothama. I also wanted > to > > know the implications. > > It was told that if the houses where vargothama planets > are > > posited carry more points in SAV it gives good effects. > > > > I look forward to further feedback on this. > > > > savithri > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > > > //If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > > wish)// > > > > Though I know who this person is, I will leave it > Ravindramani > > to reveal the same. > > > > What I wanted to point out in this chart is - it has many > > vargottama planets and even lagna is vargottama. Lagna, > Sani, > > Ravi, Sukra and even Rahu and Ketu are vargottamas! > According > > to > > one of the numerical methods of computing longevity (I > think > > it > > is Pindayu), it is said that Vargottama planets bless the > > native > > with twice the number years the planet would give > otherwise. > > Hence, I guess this person will live a long life for sure. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > ///My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only > the > > > combination > > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > > become a > > > monk or ascetic./// > > > > > > Absolutely! 4 or more planets in one bhava is just one > of a > > > number of yogas > > > pointing to ascetism. > > > > > > ///One can see the same combination, the 5th lord in the > 8th > > > > > house, in > > > the chart of Shri Parmahamsa Yogananda also. We know his > > > disciples, > > > in USA, fighting bitter battles in the court of law > > regarding > > > land > > > and property belong to SRF after he left his mortal > coil./// > > > > > > Not only 5th lord (in 8th) but karaka for disciples > > (Jupiter) > > > in 8th can > > > indicate scandal/intrigue connected with disciples. I'm > > > reminded of the > > > chart of Srila Prabhupada with 12th lord Jupiter and > Ketu > > > conjunct 8th lord > > > Sun in 8th. As we know there have been some dreadful > > scandals > > > involving > > > ISKCON disciples. Interesting to note also that 5th lord > > Venus > > > (in 9th) is > > > in combustion with 8th lord. > > > > > > ///He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, has > > worldwide > > > followers./// > > > > > > If possible could you send me his name (privately if you > > wish) > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > jyotish-vidya > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > - > > > " ravindramani " <ravindramani > > > <jyotish-vidya > > > > Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:13 PM > > > Re: Conditions for sanyasa > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > > > Thanks for your input on the chart of Osho. At one point > of > > > time in > > > my life, I did read his lectures so curiously. > > > > > > I am posting details of a living Sanyasi, who is having > his > > > 5th lord > > > in the 8th. He is a well known Head of a religious Matt, > has > > > worldwide followers. I don't wish to go into the details > of > > > his > > > fall, it is known to everybody. > > > > > > Male > > > Jul 18, 1935 > > > Time: 6:39 PM > > > Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu, India > > > Longitude: 79E09 Latitude: 10N48 > > > > > > My purpose of posting the data is that it is not only > the > > > combination > > > of 4 or more plaents in a single house leads a person to > > > become a > > > monk or ascetic. There are certain other combinations to > be > > > looked > > > into and how an astrological combination repeats the > same > > > event in > > > different lives, unmistakably. > > > > > > (I do not wish to analyze the chart, since my analysis > of > > this > > > chart, > > > elsewhere in some other List, resulted in loss of > friendship > > > between > > > me and two brilliant astrologers. Later on I come to > know > > > that I > > > caused pain to my teacher also, who guided me for 8 > years in > > > astrological research. His greatness is that he has > never > > > shown it > > > to me till date that I hurt his sentiments by my > questions > > on > > > some of > > > the actions of this Sanyasi when his fall took place.) > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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