Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Sunil ji, I must admit with all my naivete that this is an area where you all experienced beings can teach me and people like me a lot. Please do not stop ... And I post the following not directly addressing YOU but all those who are scholars and practitioners and have a direct experience to share (not anecdotes please!) regarding the matter indicated in this thread header and related!! I realize that the modern Newtonian mind would balk at the reference of the entire concept of Spiritual Energies (for want of a better term and that is what creates problems often with sceptics who live exclusively in the lap of a Newtonian Mother Universe) is distrubing for for such folks. But anyone who has served or even dabbled with astrology for a few years would see the truth in the saying: " There are more things, Horatio, between the heavens and earth than you can see or I can! " . This is not a recent statement or one that can be readily dismissed. My problem, if I may be so bold, arises when the rigid and physical but limited Newtonian Science begins to interpret all HUMAN EXPERIENCE using its limited toolset and meagre knowledge (no matter how useful that is for daily existence and convenient lifestyle in some countries or portions in most countries), AND then the other side which is less rigid, perhaps the Quantum reality then comes in and tries to overinterpret the entire human experience using NEWTONIAN logic and rules! Thus, we have psychics and spiritualists and other newage types who have not really studied Newtonian science seriously but who start throwing terms and concepts that fit and were proved in Newtonian reality, and use those into the Spiritual/Quantal reality, and create devices that will tune the spirit. We end up with all the devices that some of the recent cults produced and sold, or tried to sell and which will hamper the propagation of techniques such as biofeedback when properly and effectively applied such as the Wild Divine project. A smattering of astrologly, a smattering of physics or engineering or a smattering of grade school science which many new agers are relying upon is what ages ago led to the poignant statement of caution: Little Knowledge is Dangerous. I have little direct knowledge about curses, black forces, low tantric practices and Dakinis and other energies, hence I lay my cards open on this table! Whoever knows about these things and how they apply to astrology, jyotish and human fate and HUMAN FREEDOM-OF- CHOICE and HUMAN ACTIONS simply, please educate us, but remember we are infants, so please do not SHINE TOO BRIGHT A LIGHT IN OUR BABY EYES! Such a Shaktipat right into our immature eyes (like shining a laser into a baby's eyes!) may stunt our growth or turn us blind, and you don't want that on your conscience or karmic ledger -- light or HEAVY, do you? RR vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear dennis, > > Any planets aspected by (planetary) two or more malefics > amounts to curse.moon is matru (mother) mana(mind)karaka .And results > will depends on position in charts and other karakatwas of planets > incliding chara karaktwas. > > there is discussion on moon sani yoga in a grp and pls > refer it also,moon aspected either by sani or mars and influencing there > house is sanyas yoga also. > > i am waiting for others to comment. > > regds sunil nair > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > vedic astrology , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster@> > wrote: > > > > Dear astrlogers, > > Can you explain the topic of curses as seen in ther kundali? > > I am expecialy interested on the Moon. How are the remedied? > > Dennis > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 om krishna guru, dear ranjan da, I think newtonian famous concept is " for every action there is equal and oppossite reactions " --which its self is clear scentific proof of curses .As astrology itself is a balancesheet we carry forward from our last life ledgers to this newlife .Those who dont blve pastlife then astrology is not for them ,as they blve in all happened by accidents or big bang theorey .Its plain astrological truth that any palnets afflicted by more malefics their significations r lost in real life ,that we can check in all real life . With real life examples ,we r witnessing so many mails every day and many r working examples for the theoreys .But a curse to activate certain ctiteria shud be fullfilled . While discussing nehru's chart sri kn Rao has mentioned jup and nodes combo is guru-chandal yoga and he classified its worst when aspected by a malefics ,in nehru's case mars was aspecting, Sri K N Rao describes this yoga for thanklessness ,and he said from his life ,his student who ever got this yoga --has debunked him,copied him without reference and even published his reserch in their name . And Nehru was famous for against astrology openly and sending others to consult secretly ,SRi B V RAMAN has published some of nehru s letters asking for astrological advise to various pundits and also make chart of sri rajiv gandhi even mentioning the war time udjustment with real time IST.Showing nehru not only blve he knows also some principles of astrology. And Rao goes to the extent of how nehru s guru chandal yoga was activated and his contributions in destroying indian vedic sciences and scholars.And he he and his descendents could able to make india a most corrupt and hippocratic nation barring fe afrikan contries.Now what all 1000s years of slavery -cannot do anything but few decades of so called demo-crazy has helped to destroy majority of sciences and some already extinct.As nehru used all opportunity in public to debunk our old practises,may be secretly fodling them . more in next ,i am waiting others and gurujans to contribute and comment. with regrds and respects . sunil nair. http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Sunil ji, > > I must admit with all my naivete that this is an area where you all > experienced beings can teach me and people like me a lot. > > Please do not stop ... > > And I post the following not directly addressing YOU but all those > who are scholars and practitioners and have a direct experience to > share (not anecdotes please!) regarding the matter indicated in this > thread header and related!! > > I realize that the modern Newtonian mind would balk at the reference > of the entire concept of Spiritual Energies (for want of a better > term and that is what creates problems often with sceptics who live > exclusively in the lap of a Newtonian Mother Universe) is distrubing > for for such folks. > > But anyone who has served or even dabbled with astrology for a few > years would see the truth in the saying: " There are more things, > Horatio, between the heavens and earth than you can see or I can! " . > This is not a recent statement or one that can be readily dismissed. > > My problem, if I may be so bold, arises when the rigid and physical > but limited Newtonian Science begins to interpret all HUMAN > EXPERIENCE using its limited toolset and meagre knowledge (no matter > how useful that is for daily existence and convenient lifestyle in > some countries or portions in most countries), AND then the other > side which is less rigid, perhaps the Quantum reality then comes in > and tries to overinterpret the entire human experience using > NEWTONIAN logic and rules! > > Thus, we have psychics and spiritualists and other newage types who > have not really studied Newtonian science seriously but who start > throwing terms and concepts that fit and were proved in Newtonian > reality, and use those into the Spiritual/Quantal reality, and create > devices that will tune the spirit. We end up with all the devices > that some of the recent cults produced and sold, or tried to sell and > which will hamper the propagation of techniques such as biofeedback > when properly and effectively applied such as the Wild Divine project. > > A smattering of astrologly, a smattering of physics or engineering or > a smattering of grade school science which many new agers are relying > upon is what ages ago led to the poignant statement of caution: > Little Knowledge is Dangerous. > > I have little direct knowledge about curses, black forces, low > tantric practices and Dakinis and other energies, hence I lay my > cards open on this table! Whoever knows about these things and how > they apply to astrology, jyotish and human fate and HUMAN FREEDOM-OF- > CHOICE and HUMAN ACTIONS simply, please educate us, but remember we > are infants, so please do not SHINE TOO BRIGHT A LIGHT IN OUR BABY > EYES! > > Such a Shaktipat right into our immature eyes (like shining a laser > into a baby's eyes!) may stunt our growth or turn us blind, and you > don't want that on your conscience or karmic ledger -- light or > HEAVY, do you? > > RR > > > > vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > om krishna guru, > > > > dear dennis, > > > > Any planets aspected by (planetary) two or more malefics > > amounts to curse.moon is matru (mother) mana(mind)karaka .And > results > > will depends on position in charts and other karakatwas of planets > > incliding chara karaktwas. > > > > there is discussion on moon sani yoga in a grp and > pls > > refer it also,moon aspected either by sani or mars and influencing > there > > house is sanyas yoga also. > > > > i am waiting for others to comment. > > > > regds sunil nair > > > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > vedic astrology , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear astrlogers, > > > Can you explain the topic of curses as seen in ther kundali? > > > I am expecialy interested on the Moon. How are the remedied? > > > Dennis > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 DEAR FRIEND, MYSELF MANOJ SHARMA FROM LUDHIANA. I BELIVE IN DIFFRENT CURSES, BUT IN PRACTICAL IF U SEE THE HOROSCOPE U CAN CURE ABOUT 80% CASES WITH SIMPLE ASTROLOGICAL REMIDIES. DEAR FRIEND ACCORDING TO MY VIEW (SOMEBODY MAY HAVE DIFFRENT VIEW) THERE ARE TWO TYPE OF CURES 1. WHICH WE HAVE IN OUR KUNDALI EG. SARPENT CURSE, PITRI CURSE ETC, NO. 2 WHICH U CAN SAY BLACK MAGIC EG DAKANI, SAKANI. PUTANA, MADANA, PRETA ETC. BCOZ I LIVE IN PUNJAB THERE IS A TRADITION OF JAGRATA (KIRTAN OF DEVI WHOLE NIGHT). IN THESE TYPE OF FUNCTIONS SOME PERSONS STARTS VIBRATING & DO SOME UNNATURAL MOVEMENTS ALSO. PEOPLE SAY THE 'DEVI' IS COME. BUT I DISAGREE FROM THEM. B,COZ I NEVER SEE THIS TYPE OF PERSON (MOSTLY LADIES) LIVING A HAPPY LIFE. I TRIED TO LOOK SOME OF THERE HOROSCOPES (BECOZ MOSTOF THEM DONOT HAVE THERE BIRTH DETAILS). MY FEW FINDINGS ARE 1 MOON IS BAD POSITION 2 ROLE OF RAHU (WITH MOON OR LAGAN) BECOZ I READ LALKITAB ALSO BETWEEN 2 OF THEM I SUGEST UPAY OF RAHU, SAT & MOON. THEY GOT VERY GOOD RESPONSE. ONE OF THEM CONTINUE UPAE & AFTER 2 YEAR SHE IS VERY WELL NOW. IN MY VIEW MOST OF THE PERSONS HAVE HYSTERIA LIKE CONDITION. I SUGEST THEM TO SMELL 'HINGA' & ONION WHEN EVER THEY FEEL ATTACK. IN MY DAILY PRACTICE I FIND V. FEW PERSONS EFFECTING WITH 2ND TYPE OF CURSE. FOR ALL TYPE OF CURSES WHICH EVER REMEDY U PREFER BUT I THINK PITRU PUJA IS ONE OF THE BEST (MAY BE MAIN OR SECONDARY) MANOJ SHARMA Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Sunil ji, I must admit with all my naivete that this is an area where you all experienced beings can teach me and people like me a lot. Please do not stop ... And I post the following not directly addressing YOU but all those who are scholars and practitioners and have a direct experience to share (not anecdotes please!) regarding the matter indicated in this thread header and related!! I realize that the modern Newtonian mind would balk at the reference of the entire concept of Spiritual Energies (for want of a better term and that is what creates problems often with sceptics who live exclusively in the lap of a Newtonian Mother Universe) is distrubing for for such folks. But anyone who has served or even dabbled with astrology for a few years would see the truth in the saying: " There are more things, Horatio, between the heavens and earth than you can see or I can! " . This is not a recent statement or one that can be readily dismissed. My problem, if I may be so bold, arises when the rigid and physical but limited Newtonian Science begins to interpret all HUMAN EXPERIENCE using its limited toolset and meagre knowledge (no matter how useful that is for daily existence and convenient lifestyle in some countries or portions in most countries), AND then the other side which is less rigid, perhaps the Quantum reality then comes in and tries to overinterpret the entire human experience using NEWTONIAN logic and rules! Thus, we have psychics and spiritualists and other newage types who have not really studied Newtonian science seriously but who start throwing terms and concepts that fit and were proved in Newtonian reality, and use those into the Spiritual/Quantal reality, and create devices that will tune the spirit. We end up with all the devices that some of the recent cults produced and sold, or tried to sell and which will hamper the propagation of techniques such as biofeedback when properly and effectively applied such as the Wild Divine project. A smattering of astrologly, a smattering of physics or engineering or a smattering of grade school science which many new agers are relying upon is what ages ago led to the poignant statement of caution: Little Knowledge is Dangerous. I have little direct knowledge about curses, black forces, low tantric practices and Dakinis and other energies, hence I lay my cards open on this table! Whoever knows about these things and how they apply to astrology, jyotish and human fate and HUMAN FREEDOM-OF- CHOICE and HUMAN ACTIONS simply, please educate us, but remember we are infants, so please do not SHINE TOO BRIGHT A LIGHT IN OUR BABY EYES! Such a Shaktipat right into our immature eyes (like shining a laser into a baby's eyes!) may stunt our growth or turn us blind, and you don't want that on your conscience or karmic ledger -- light or HEAVY, do you? RR vedic astrology , " astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > om krishna guru, > > dear dennis, > > Any planets aspected by (planetary) two or more malefics > amounts to curse.moon is matru (mother) mana(mind)karaka .And results > will depends on position in charts and other karakatwas of planets > incliding chara karaktwas. > > there is discussion on moon sani yoga in a grp and pls > refer it also,moon aspected either by sani or mars and influencing there > house is sanyas yoga also. > > i am waiting for others to comment. > > regds sunil nair > > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > vedic astrology , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster@> > wrote: > > > > Dear astrlogers, > > Can you explain the topic of curses as seen in ther kundali? > > I am expecialy interested on the Moon. How are the remedied? > > Dennis > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 dear Mr. sunil nair, Our great country has an inherent blessing because great sages and rishis were born and they have done tapas. This is one of the reason we are far better than Afghanistan, iraq or for that matter african countries where natives die due to non availability of water, food etc. good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 om krishna guru, dear gopu, Yes ,our hindustan has got inherent blessing and how far it can go . With one lac farmers suicided already because they r not getting good prise for their produce and in market u know the prises and what we are doing overly abusing the blessing like a strong man resorting to drugs and abusing his body and mind it we hav few afrikan or afganistan countries to point out.Are u satisfied with that.Even rishi s and sidhas who still with us in sookhsma form how far they forgiv i dont know.And not to curse us. But let us not deviate from this tread on curses and lower kind of powers and tantra and off course we r dealing with curses now and we can pray for the blessing of rishis who done tapasya for us. regds sunil nair. http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear Mr. sunil nair, > Our great country has an inherent blessing because > great sages and rishis were born and they have done > tapas. This is one of the reason we are far better > than Afghanistan, iraq or for that matter african > countries where natives die due to non availability of > water, food etc. > > good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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