Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 ~~Om Satguru Shree Sachidanand Sainath Maharaj Ki Jai~~ Dear Rajarshi God Bless U AS you can see in D1 of Swami Ramakrishna Paramhans Ji there are three Retrograde Planets sitting in Lagna for Self 2H [House of Siddhis], 5H [House of Initiations of Mantra], 9H [House of Long Term, Acceptance of Spirituality Path], (Mercury) sitting in Lagna being lord of 5H and 8H (Jupiter) sitting in 5H being lord of 2H and 11H (Saturn) sitting in 9H being lord of Lagna and 12H Venus sitting in 2H being lord of 4H and 9H See in D9 you will find all three planets in 3H which means extra-ordinary control of various Tantrik sadhana's and even just very short time interval Because of Same Rashi as Lagna and 11 Rashi in 3rd House also means 11H a house of fulfilment of desires. Venus is sitting in 10H a house of Career. 10th Rashi in 12H is also means Adoption of Spirtituality path as well as control of self interests from Materialistic world. I hope you will find the relativity after going through this small observance. Thanks From Pram Chopra On Jan 8, 2008 1:41 AM, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: Hi All,I had gone through some articles on finding out the istha devata and the various other devatas and mantras revelant for an individuals spiritual progress. My question is how would one find out if someone's path is yoga or the path of tantra marg for his/her spiritual development..Jaimini sutras say looking at the trines from the karakamsa, if there are malefics preferably two or more the such an individual will indulge in mantrik and tantrik practices with efficiency( not just chanting mantras which a lot of people of course do but being able to use the mantra with effect, in a way being a siddha in the use of one or specific mantras/tantras).. now looking at ramakrishna paramhamsha chart from the Jhora, the trikones from karakamsa do not contain any malefics.. howevere in his it is said Sri Ramakrishna had completed all the 64 various tantrik sadhanas in a remarkable time of just about 2 years.. Can someone please kindly explain why did the rule of 2/3 malefics from karkamsa not show up in Sri Ramakrishna's chart? Does that rule indicate some who will use and display tantrik siddhis?( Unlike what Sri Ramakrishna had done?).. Thanks in advance-Warm RegardsRajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Respected Sir, Thank you for your analysis. I completely agree to the analysis you have given, however my confusion still persists. Could you kindly clarify about the Jaimini dictum that if trikones from Karakamsa contain malefics such a person will be learned in tantra and mantra shastra and will be able to apply the knowledge. Like a siddhi. Are there any mroe special rules for this? Or anyone who has this combination will be able to do it? Also, some charts of people who have tantrik knowledge do not show this combination (Like that of Sri Ramakrishna). Kindly throw some light on this. -Thanks in advance Rajarshi , " Prem Chopra " <pramchopra1964 wrote: > > ~~Om Satguru Shree Sachidanand Sainath Maharaj Ki Jai~~ > > Dear Rajarshi > > God Bless U > > AS you can see in D1 of Swami Ramakrishna Paramhans Ji there are three > Retrograde Planets sitting in > Lagna for Self > 2H [House of Siddhis], > 5H [House of Initiations of Mantra], > 9H [House of Long Term, Acceptance of Spirituality Path], > (Mercury) sitting in Lagna being lord of 5H and 8H > (Jupiter) sitting in 5H being lord of 2H and 11H > (Saturn) sitting in 9H being lord of Lagna and 12H > Venus sitting in 2H being lord of 4H and 9H > > See in D9 you will find all three planets in 3H which means extra- ordinary > control of various Tantrik sadhana's and even just very short time interval > Because of Same Rashi as Lagna and 11 Rashi in 3rd House also means 11H a > house of fulfilment of desires. Venus is sitting in 10H a house of Career. > > 10th Rashi in 12H is also means Adoption of Spirtituality path as well as > control of self interests from Materialistic world. > I hope you will find the relativity after going through this small > observance. > > Thanks > > From Pram Chopra > > > On Jan 8, 2008 1:41 AM, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I had gone through some articles on finding out the istha devata and > > the various other devatas and mantras revelant for an individuals > > spiritual progress. My question is how would one find out if > > someone's path is yoga or the path of tantra marg for his/her > > spiritual development.. > > Jaimini sutras say looking at the trines from the karakamsa, if > > there are malefics preferably two or more the such an individual > > will indulge in mantrik and tantrik practices with efficiency( not > > just chanting mantras which a lot of people of course do but being > > able to use the mantra with effect, in a way being a siddha in the > > use of one or specific mantras/tantras).. now looking at ramakrishna > > paramhamsha chart from the Jhora, the trikones from karakamsa do not > > contain any malefics.. howevere in his it is said Sri Ramakrishna > > had completed all the 64 various tantrik sadhanas in a remarkable > > time of just about 2 years.. > > Can someone please kindly explain why did the rule of 2/3 malefics > > from karkamsa not show up in Sri Ramakrishna's chart? Does that rule > > indicate some who will use and display tantrik siddhis?( Unlike what > > Sri Ramakrishna had done?).. > > Thanks in advance > > -Warm Regards > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Anjana, Here is some input from a beginner. First of all ask yourself which signs / planets / houses have spiritual connotations? Then look at those carefully. Personally I believe XII to be the house of Moksha and renunciation / sanyass if not literally, then at least figuratively. IX is the house of Dharma. VIII will tell you about a person inclination and talent with metaphysical things pertaining to death and " the afterlife " To me, those are quite " spiritual " places in the chart. Planets and signs with Sattva guna indicate more high-minded people, a usual concomitant of spirituality. To my knowledge water signs indicate a brahminical bent. To me, the Planet Saturn is a highly spiritual planet. I say this because s/he destroys so much material life and bestows realization of Tattva in the wake of such pain. S/he also destroys material attachments. To me also, Rahu can be a very spiritual planet, particularly if receiving a strong aspect from a strong Jupiter. Rahu can turn one's life upside down and shake up one's world view. For example, I became vegetarian due to Rahu's influence and practiced Bramchary during most of his mahadash. (My Rahu is a good aspect from Jupiter) Of course Jupiter is a planet of piety, but piety is not always equivalent to spirituality. Religiousity can be materialistic in the mode of sattva. But Jupiter will usually indicate morality. So my beginners guess is to look at the signs and planets pertaining to VIII, IX, and XII. If that does not already include Saturn and Jupiter, check out what those planets are doing. My Saturn, for example is in IV - this allows me to be detached from the comforts of house and home. Check out how Rahu is. He can be excellent or terrible for spirituality depending on his situation and influences. Spirituality is largely a function of KRIPA, DAYA, KARUNA... which often empowers the person to make a choice of freewill that is not indicated by previous karma. So you cannot make concrete conclusions about a person's spiritual nature just by looking at their karma. The person may receive the ahaituki-kripa or causeless mercy of a great personality or a diety or even Godhead and this may allow them to spiritually develop beyond the confines of what is indicated in their planets. Again, I am a beginner. Listen to what the other's have to say. But this is a topic dear to me. - Vic www.weare108.com http://web.mac.com/vicdicara On May 21, 2008, at 9:51 AM, anjana_hv wrote: > Hi, > > Can any one explain how to see one's spirituality from their natal > chart > (s)? > > Thanks in advance, > Anjana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 By chance today I am looking into house V and realize that it is also quite indicative of spirituality in the sense that V indicates aptitude to practice yoga / spiritual-paths (while it's mirror, 9 indicates the rewards which come from such endeavors). I left this out from my original reply. There's probably a lot more. I'll keep adding as I come across ideas. I like this topic. - Vic Music: www.weare108.com Astrology: http://web.mac.com/vicdicara/Vedic_Astrology_by_Victor_DiCara___Vraja_Kishor/ Gita: http://web.mac.com/vicdicara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Dear Vic, //There's probably a lot more. I'll keep adding as I come across ideas. I like this topic.// We're fortunate that the sages have already laid out the bhavas/grahas signifying religion/moksha for us. * 9th governs religion, faith, worship, guru etc.. * 5th governs knowledge of mantras, spiritual techniques, devotion to God etc.. * 3rd may also play a part as it shows initiatory instruction. * Jupiter, karaka for 9th/5th, is the significator for religion...governing dharma, righteousness, meditation, devotion, divine grace etc.. * 4th is a moksha bhava associated with the heart/emotions...bhakti (devotion to God). * 8th is a moksha bhava associated with transcendence, sidhis etc.. * 12th is the other moksha bhava associated with renunciation, detachment etc.. * MokshaKaraka Ketu is a significator of enlightenment. * Saturn, karaka for 8th/12th, signifies detachment, meditation, inner-silence, transcendence, inner-guru etc.. Saturn is known as the gateway to enlightenment. Worship/Spiritual progress is seen from Vimshamsha: When one has lived many years it becomes evident that spiritual progress is smoother at certain times...one's intentions receive good support from nature and progress is smooth...at other times obstacles arise and progress can be difficult. Vimshamsha reveals these times when our spiritual progress is likely to be hindered or unhindered. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:23 AM Re: Spiritual Astrology By chance today I am looking into house V and realize that it is also quite indicative of spirituality in the sense that V indicates aptitude to practice yoga / spiritual-paths (while it's mirror, 9 indicates the rewards which come from such endeavors). I left this out from my original reply. There's probably a lot more. I'll keep adding as I come across ideas. I like this topic. - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 These are the ones that particularly strike my fancy / did not realize / and/or am particularly thankful for your pointing out... > * 5th governs knowledge of mantras > > * 3rd may also play a part as it shows initiatory instruction. > " Initiatory Instruction " means Diksha? > * Jupiter, karaka for 9th/5th, is the significator for > religion...governing dharma, righteousness, meditation, devotion, > divine grace etc.. > Jupiter as indicator of divine grace! Thanks! > * 4th is a moksha bhava associated with the > heart/emotions...bhakti (devotion to God). > IV => Bhakti ...thank you for pointing to that. > * MokshaKaraka Ketu is a significator of enlightenment. > THANKS! A new question... You point out " Moksha Bhavas " ... so far I knew: IX Dharma X Karma XI Artha XII Moksha you say that IV and VIII are Moksha Bhavas too. May we follow the pattern then to deduce them all? 1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas 2, 6, 10. Karma Bhavas 3, 7, 11. Artha Bhavas 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas The only one that strikes me as " fishy " (strange) is 2 not being an Artha bhava. Thanks so much, - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 Dear Vic, // " Initiatory Instruction " means Diksha?// Yes! As an example; it was during dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter (Rahu bhukti) that I received initiation from my Guru. //1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas 2, 6, 10. Karma Bhavas 3, 7, 11. Artha Bhavas 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas// This is not quite correct. More information available here http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:43 AM Re: Spiritual Astrology These are the ones that particularly strike my fancy / did not realize / and/or am particularly thankful for your pointing out... > * 5th governs knowledge of mantras > > * 3rd may also play a part as it shows initiatory instruction. > " Initiatory Instruction " means Diksha? > * Jupiter, karaka for 9th/5th, is the significator for > religion...governing dharma, righteousness, meditation, devotion, > divine grace etc.. > Jupiter as indicator of divine grace! Thanks! > * 4th is a moksha bhava associated with the > heart/emotions...bhakti (devotion to God). > IV => Bhakti ...thank you for pointing to that. > * MokshaKaraka Ketu is a significator of enlightenment. > THANKS! A new question... You point out " Moksha Bhavas " ... so far I knew: IX Dharma X Karma XI Artha XII Moksha you say that IV and VIII are Moksha Bhavas too. May we follow the pattern then to deduce them all? 1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas 2, 6, 10. Karma Bhavas 3, 7, 11. Artha Bhavas 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas The only one that strikes me as " fishy " (strange) is 2 not being an Artha bhava. Thanks so much, - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 On May 21, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > // " Initiatory Instruction " means Diksha?// > > Yes! As an example; it was during dasa of 3rd/12th lord Jupiter (Rahu > bhukti) that I received initiation from my Guru. > AWESOME!!! Guess what, I received first Diksha in Rahu Dasa, Jupiter Bhukti! > //1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas > 2, 6, 10. Karma Bhavas > 3, 7, 11. Artha Bhavas > 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas// > > This is not quite correct. More information available here > http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm > God i feel so embarassed. Screwing up the Four PurushArthas. What a geek! " Karma " - i should hang my head in shame!!! I fell into the trap because the name of X is " karma " - then i got sloppy and swapped Karma and Kama. Duh! So we have: 1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas 2, 6, 10. Artha Bhavas 3, 7, 11. Kama Bhavas 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas Lots of other great info at that link. Thanks! - Vic > > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:43 AM > Re: Spiritual Astrology > > These are the ones that particularly strike my fancy / did not > realize / and/or am particularly thankful for your pointing out... > > > * 5th governs knowledge of mantras > > > > * 3rd may also play a part as it shows initiatory instruction. > > > " Initiatory Instruction " means Diksha? > > > * Jupiter, karaka for 9th/5th, is the significator for > > religion...governing dharma, righteousness, meditation, devotion, > > divine grace etc.. > > > Jupiter as indicator of divine grace! Thanks! > > > * 4th is a moksha bhava associated with the > > heart/emotions...bhakti (devotion to God). > > > IV => Bhakti ...thank you for pointing to that. > > > * MokshaKaraka Ketu is a significator of enlightenment. > > > THANKS! > > A new question... You point out " Moksha Bhavas " ... so far I knew: > > IX Dharma > X Karma > XI Artha > XII Moksha > > you say that IV and VIII are Moksha Bhavas too. May we follow the > pattern then to deduce them all? > > 1, 5, 9. Dharma Bhavas > 2, 6, 10. Karma Bhavas > 3, 7, 11. Artha Bhavas > 4, 8, 12. Moksha Bhavas > > The only one that strikes me as " fishy " (strange) is 2 not being an > Artha bhava. > > Thanks so much, > > - Vic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear Vic, I'm of the school that does not ascribe aspects to the nodes. More information here: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Friday, May 23, 2008 4:51 AM Spiritual Astrology Here's is an interesting phenomena: Ketu = planetary karaka of Moksha. If it occupies VIII, it will have strong aspects on XII and IV. 4, 8, 12 are the three moksha bhavas! Thus it feels like Ketu in VIII is a indication of a lot of energy moving towards the pursuit of moksha. Actually, no matter where Ketu is... if it occupies a moksha bhav it will be very powerful for the native's inclination to pursue moksha because from any moksha bhav ketu will aspect both the other moksha bhav's and thus generate a lot of moksha energy in the chart! Agreement? Disagreement? - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Thanks Mrs. Wendy, I wasn't aware of this. So, Rahu and Ketu are imitators (viz the story of their creation at the churning of milk ocean) - since they receive nor cast any aspects, who will they immitate? the lord of their nakshatra? the lord of their sign? Both? Thanks again. I found the article persuasive and logical. I will adopt it. On May 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > I'm of the school that does not ascribe aspects to the nodes. More > information here: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, May 23, 2008 4:51 AM > Spiritual Astrology > > Here's is an interesting phenomena: > > Ketu = planetary karaka of Moksha. > > If it occupies VIII, it will have strong aspects on XII and IV. 4, 8, > 12 are the three moksha bhavas! > > Thus it feels like Ketu in VIII is a indication of a lot of energy > moving towards the pursuit of moksha. > > Actually, no matter where Ketu is... if it occupies a moksha bhav it > will be very powerful for the native's inclination to pursue moksha > because from any moksha bhav ketu will aspect both the other moksha > bhav's and thus generate a lot of moksha energy in the chart! > > Agreement? Disagreement? > > - Vic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Since Jupiter DOES cast 5-7-9 aspects, I think the principle could be applies to Jupiter in a Dharma bhav becoming a dharma powerhouse as it would occupy one dharma bhav and aspect the other two. Correct? On May 22, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Vic, > > I'm of the school that does not ascribe aspects to the nodes. More > information here: http://jyotishvidya.com/nodes.htm > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > - > " Vic D " <vicdicara > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, May 23, 2008 4:51 AM > Spiritual Astrology > > Here's is an interesting phenomena: > > Ketu = planetary karaka of Moksha. > > If it occupies VIII, it will have strong aspects on XII and IV. 4, 8, > 12 are the three moksha bhavas! > > Thus it feels like Ketu in VIII is a indication of a lot of energy > moving towards the pursuit of moksha. > > Actually, no matter where Ketu is... if it occupies a moksha bhav it > will be very powerful for the native's inclination to pursue moksha > because from any moksha bhav ketu will aspect both the other moksha > bhav's and thus generate a lot of moksha energy in the chart! > > Agreement? Disagreement? > > - Vic > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Friends, Moksha is one of the indications that Ketu represents. Primarily, Ketu is a malefic planet and this fact should not be lost sight of. Ketu himself becomes an hindrance, at times, being placed in 9th house for the pursuit of religion or spiritual activities, if his dispositor is not in dignity. The moksha houses and their lords should also support the signification in question. No chart is full of vibrant with moksha energy. It is a mixture of worldly and mundane. With Regards, Pandiyan Mudaliyar >>>>Actually, no matter where Ketu is... if it occupies a moksha bhav it will be very powerful for the native's inclination to pursue moksha because from any moksha bhav ketu will aspect both the other moksha bhav's and thus generate a lot of moksha energy in the chart!>>>> Here's is an interesting phenomena: Ketu = planetary karaka of Moksha. If it occupies VIII, it will have strong aspects on XII and IV. 4, 8, 12 are the three moksha bhavas! Thus it feels like Ketu in VIII is a indication of a lot of energy moving towards the pursuit of moksha. Actually, no matter where Ketu is... if it occupies a moksha bhav it will be very powerful for the native's inclination to pursue moksha because from any moksha bhav ketu will aspect both the other moksha bhav's and thus generate a lot of moksha energy in the chart! Agreement? Disagreement? - Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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