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Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

 

Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion

is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural

complacencies now.

 

" We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice ones,

in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads?

 

The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point

out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water

springs.

 

Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of

surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you

stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering

where you stand on these?

 

Namaste

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time,

astrologyhindu writes:

 

Namaste Sri Gaurav

 

Responses below in blue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact

bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as

a

result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical

anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons,

or

gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active

material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the

radiation

procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold

every

day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases

that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz

and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a

gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe

to wear

the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods

are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped

altogether, then we have a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In

fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is

also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit

prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by

introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the

stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron

accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are

the

types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power

(20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the

electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts

per

day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous

energy

means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone.

Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly

darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to

achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage

over the

gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period

of time.

In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio

active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before

they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and

polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem

cutters

ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the

consumer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be

created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe)

would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the

internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g.

The

radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after

15

months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems

and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some

money, which is the tough part. lol :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an

article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference

between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across

a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head.

 

Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big

spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough.

 

On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything

else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an

unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the

honour

 

 

 

 

of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph

Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !

If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am

sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are

mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless

one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. :) What other things

did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats

Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It

was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon

blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw.

 

In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some

other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is

the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I

shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and

Amethyst is heated to create the color green.

 

However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by

the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural

vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this

scientifically too.

 

More later.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste

Always anuj: Gaurav Jain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Sri Gaurav

 

Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts

on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be

prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially.

Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom

both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha.

 

Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics

would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural

frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this

manner:

 

1. Gemstone that is natural.

2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat

 

I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the

Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as

closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much

in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would

rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by

one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana

pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem.

He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out

and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine

which gemstone suits us.

 

I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot

comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for

Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they

bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not

on viveka.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

>

> Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that

> diffusion

> is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural

> complacencies now.

>

> " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice

> ones,

> in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads?

>

> The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly

> point

> out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water

> springs.

>

> Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because

> of

> surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since

> you

> stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering

>

> where you stand on these?

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav

>

> In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time,

>

> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:

>

> Namaste Sri Gaurav

>

> Responses below in blue.

>

> That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact

>

> bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and

> as

> a

> result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical

> anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons,

> electrons,

> or

> gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active

> material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the

> radiation

> procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold

> every

> day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about

> cases

> that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz

> and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a

> gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe

>

> to wear

> the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when

> goods

> are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped

> altogether, then we have a problem.

>

> This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In

> fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It

> is

> also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the

> limit

> prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption.

>

> Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by

> introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on

> the

> stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron

> accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used

> are

> the

> types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power

>

> (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the

>

> electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about

> 50,000cts

> per

> day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous

> energy

> means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone.

> Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly

>

> darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to

> achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage

> over the

> gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short

> period

> of time.

> In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems

> radio

> active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period,

> before

> they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and

> polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem

> cutters

> ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the

> consumer.

>

> Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could

> be

> created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe)

> would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the

> internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2

> nCi/g. The

> radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit

> after 15

> months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years

>

> Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the

> gems

> and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some

> money, which is the tough part. lol :)

>

> There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an

> article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the

> difference

> between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming

> across

> a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head.

>

> Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big

> spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough.

>

> On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything

> else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an

> unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had

> the honour

>

>

>

>

> of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by

> Ralph

> Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !

> If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am

>

> sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are

> mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.

>

> One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless

>

> one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. :) What other

> things

> did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6

> carats

> Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin.

> It

> was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat

> Pidgeon

> blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw.

>

> In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some

> other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this

> is

> the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using

> it. I

> shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural

> and

> Amethyst is heated to create the color green.

>

> However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go

> by

> the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural

> vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this

> scientifically too.

>

> More later.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> Namaste

> Always anuj: Gaurav Jain

>

> __

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

>

>

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Aum Durgayai Namah

 

Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

 

Pads, simply by the color theory, we can conclude that would work for a

combined effect of sun and jupiter. Might have to test this myself sometime. As

for the use of synthetics. I am of opinion that all those stones (does not

matter what color or composition they are) are a work of Rahu. It is Rahu who

creates an illusion, a maya, a look-a-like, deception. That's what those are,

in my personal view. Specifically talking about a CZ, which is an illusion

being sold to those who can not afford the ultimate is rajas:- venus, i.e. a

diamond. This is also Rahu.

 

You may have had success with your prescription, but then we get into a

whole new set of arguments there, one being after doing prana prathista, do we

really need any gem anyways? we can just pick up a pebble of the street and do

puja and prana prathista on that and wear it..certainly its about bhavana and

not aadambar that the deity desires in our soul, right? I want to stay away

from this, as there is no end in sight here.

 

However, I am always keen to know the effects, even placebo ones, cause our

goal is to better the lives of people thru our efforts and if it does not

work, then we have failed, and if it works thru a pebble, then somewhere we

have

succeeded.

 

On the nimittas, I could not agree more on you. My guru has also instilled

in me, and personal expereince has taught the same, that the " sattwa " in a gem

attracts like anything, and a good gem therefore starts working " for you "

even before you have installed it on your body, or done any puja etc..This is

probably the most important thing to look for when buying a gem for jyotish

purposes. It also makes this whole thing more practical and real for general

public, in that if it shows positive results one should move forward else its a

story told but for the wrong one at the wrong moment in time.

 

Our jyotish actions, make it be readings or gems, MUST GIVE REAL RESULTS!

 

Your anuj;

Gaurav

BTW: do you already have starbucks in delhi yet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:48:10 P.M. India Standard Time,

astrologyhindu writes:

 

Namaste Sri Gaurav

 

Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts

on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be

prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially.

Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom

both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha.

 

Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics

would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural

frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this

manner:

 

1. Gemstone that is natural.

2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat

 

I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the

Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as

closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much

in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would

rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by

one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana

pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem.

He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out

and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine

which gemstone suits us.

 

I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot

comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for

Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they

bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not

on viveka.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

On 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Bharat Bhaiya,

>

> Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that

> diffusion

> is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural

> complacencies now.

>

> " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice

> ones,

> in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads?

>

> The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly

> point

> out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water

> springs.

>

> Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because

> of

> surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since

> you

> stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering

>

> where you stand on these?

>

> Namaste

> Gaurav

>

> In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time,

>

> astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes:

>

> Namaste Sri Gaurav

>

> Responses below in blue.

>

> That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact

>

> bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and

> as

> a

> result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical

> anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons,

> electrons,

> or

> gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active

> material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the

> radiation

> procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold

> every

> day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about

> cases

> that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz

> and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a

> gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe

>

> to wear

> the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when

> goods

> are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped

> altogether, then we have a problem.

>

> This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In

> fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It

> is

> also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the

> limit

> prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption.

>

> Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by

> introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on

> the

> stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron

> accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used

> are

> the

> types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power

>

> (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the

>

> electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about

> 50,000cts

> per

> day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous

> energy

> means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone.

> Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly

>

> darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to

> achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage

> over the

> gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short

> period

> of time.

> In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems

> radio

> active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period,

> before

> they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and

> polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem

> cutters

> ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the

> consumer.

>

> Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could

> be

> created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe)

> would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the

> internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2

> nCi/g. The

> radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit

> after 15

> months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years

>

> Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the

> gems

> and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some

> money, which is the tough part. lol :)

>

> There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an

> article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the

> difference

> between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming

> across

> a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head.

>

> Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big

> spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough.

>

> On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything

> else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an

> unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had

> the honour

>

>

>

>

> of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by

> Ralph

> Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for !

> If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am

>

> sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are

> mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help.

>

> One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless

>

> one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. :) What other

> things

> did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6

> carats

> Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin.

> It

> was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat

> Pidgeon

> blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw.

>

> In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some

> other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this

> is

> the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using

> it. I

> shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural

> and

> Amethyst is heated to create the color green.

>

> However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go

> by

> the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural

> vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this

> scientifically too.

>

> More later.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> Namaste

> Always anuj: Gaurav Jain

>

> __

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

 

 

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