Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that diffusion is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural complacencies now. " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice ones, in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly point out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water springs. Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because of surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since you stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering where you stand on these? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Responses below in blue. That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and as a result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, electrons, or gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the radiation procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold every day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about cases that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe to wear the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when goods are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped altogether, then we have a problem. This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It is also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the limit prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on the stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used are the types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about 50,000cts per day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous energy means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage over the gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short period of time. In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems radio active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, before they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem cutters ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the consumer. Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could be created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 nCi/g. The radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit after 15 months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the gems and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some money, which is the tough part. lol There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the difference between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming across a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had the honour of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by Ralph Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other things did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 carats Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. It was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat Pidgeon blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this is the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using it. I shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural and Amethyst is heated to create the color green. However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go by the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this scientifically too. More later. Thanks and Regards Bharat Namaste Always anuj: Gaurav Jain __ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Namaste Sri Gaurav Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural. 2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that > diffusion > is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural > complacencies now. > > " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice > ones, > in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? > > The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly > point > out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water > springs. > > Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because > of > surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since > you > stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering > > where you stand on these? > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > Responses below in blue. > > That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact > > bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and > as > a > result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical > anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, > electrons, > or > gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active > material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the > radiation > procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold > every > day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about > cases > that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz > and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a > gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe > > to wear > the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when > goods > are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped > altogether, then we have a problem. > > This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In > fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It > is > also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the > limit > prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. > > Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by > introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on > the > stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron > accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used > are > the > types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power > > (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the > > electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about > 50,000cts > per > day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous > energy > means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. > Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly > > darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to > achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage > over the > gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short > period > of time. > In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems > radio > active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, > before > they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and > polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem > cutters > ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the > consumer. > > Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could > be > created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) > would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the > internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 > nCi/g. The > radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit > after 15 > months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years > > Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the > gems > and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some > money, which is the tough part. lol > > There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an > article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the > difference > between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming > across > a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. > > Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big > spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. > > On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything > else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an > unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had > the honour > > > > > of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by > Ralph > Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! > If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am > > sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are > mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. > > One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless > > one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other > things > did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 > carats > Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. > It > was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat > Pidgeon > blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. > > In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some > other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this > is > the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using > it. I > shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural > and > Amethyst is heated to create the color green. > > However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go > by > the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural > vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this > scientifically too. > > More later. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > Namaste > Always anuj: Gaurav Jain > > __ > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Aum Durgayai Namah Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, Pads, simply by the color theory, we can conclude that would work for a combined effect of sun and jupiter. Might have to test this myself sometime. As for the use of synthetics. I am of opinion that all those stones (does not matter what color or composition they are) are a work of Rahu. It is Rahu who creates an illusion, a maya, a look-a-like, deception. That's what those are, in my personal view. Specifically talking about a CZ, which is an illusion being sold to those who can not afford the ultimate is rajas:- venus, i.e. a diamond. This is also Rahu. You may have had success with your prescription, but then we get into a whole new set of arguments there, one being after doing prana prathista, do we really need any gem anyways? we can just pick up a pebble of the street and do puja and prana prathista on that and wear it..certainly its about bhavana and not aadambar that the deity desires in our soul, right? I want to stay away from this, as there is no end in sight here. However, I am always keen to know the effects, even placebo ones, cause our goal is to better the lives of people thru our efforts and if it does not work, then we have failed, and if it works thru a pebble, then somewhere we have succeeded. On the nimittas, I could not agree more on you. My guru has also instilled in me, and personal expereince has taught the same, that the " sattwa " in a gem attracts like anything, and a good gem therefore starts working " for you " even before you have installed it on your body, or done any puja etc..This is probably the most important thing to look for when buying a gem for jyotish purposes. It also makes this whole thing more practical and real for general public, in that if it shows positive results one should move forward else its a story told but for the wrong one at the wrong moment in time. Our jyotish actions, make it be readings or gems, MUST GIVE REAL RESULTS! Your anuj; Gaurav BTW: do you already have starbucks in delhi yet? In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:48:10 P.M. India Standard Time, astrologyhindu writes: Namaste Sri Gaurav Pads can be used for Sun and Jupiter. I think you missed couple of my posts on the issue. Mostly, not always, those who are prescribed a Ruby can be prescribed a Yellow Sapphire - Lagna being Simha and Dhanu especially. Please do not take this as a rule. I am just talking generally here. To whom both grahas need to be strengthened one can wear a Padparadscha. Now you have asked me good question regarding use of Synthetics. Synthetics would work mostly with light and I need to test how much of their natural frequencies differ from the natural stones. My preference goes in this manner: 1. Gemstone that is natural. 2. Gemstone that might have been exposed to gentle heat I do not stand positive or negative on Synthetics. It is my view that the Gemstone that has been created Synthetically but matches the RI and SG as closely to the natural gemstone, would work. Some astrologers are too much in a hurry to dismiss everything that has been done by humans. I would rather be patient and understand their nature. Cubic Zirconia was used by one of my clients but only after doing a different puja. Like you to prana pratishtha for Idols, a similar one was done by a Pundit for the said gem. He has had positive results. The day he wore it, some stuck payment came out and he was very happy about it. Generally, nimitta would help us determine which gemstone suits us. I haven't used Topaz and nor have studied this so far, so really cannot comment. Till date, I have stayed away from coated, Be-treated stones for Jyotish. I will not dismiss their effects or without testing say that they bring only ill effects. Such an approach will border on superstition and not on viveka. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 4/19/07, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: > > > Namaste Bharat Bhaiya, > > Good that we agree. I knew that you know better than to state that > diffusion > is same as irradiation. Even with diffusion, there are several procedural > complacencies now. > > " We don't choose gems, they choose us " . So you are lucky to have nice > ones, > in your opinion, for what planet can we use Pads? > > The green amy is very popular commercially right now, as you correctly > point > out, it is almost always heated, though can be found naturally near water > springs. > > Topaz, has become available in hundreds of colors now (literally) because > of > surface coating (film coating thin layer at high temperature), and since > you > stand positive on the use of enhanced & artificial stones, I was wondering > > where you stand on these? > > Namaste > Gaurav > > In a message dated 4/19/2007 4:08:05 A.M. India Standard Time, > > astrologyhindu <astrologyhindu%40gmail.com> writes: > > Namaste Sri Gaurav > > Responses below in blue. > > That is precisely what I am pointing out. Some of the cat' eye was in fact > > bought to market before being " cooled " and therefore was still active and > as > a > result concluded to be at risk to the wearer ( I can go into technical > anaylsis of which types of irradiation treatments like neutrons, > electrons, > or > gamma rays with cobalt results in varying degree of un-cooled and active > material which must be cooled of from 0 days to 1 year depending upon the > radiation > procedure used). Otherwise tonns of Swiss and London blue topaz is sold > every > day worldwide, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about > cases > that were reported last year specifically in certain productions of topaz > and cat's eye that were found to be active. Any irradiation process in a > gemstone goes thru a " cooling-off " process, and this is what makes it safe > > to wear > the gem. In certain cases where during the market demand supply, when > goods > are bought to market quickly when this process is hurried upon or skipped > altogether, then we have a problem. > > This is true, I somehow assumed you were talking about Be-treatment. In > fact, I am aware this problem was reported about the Orissa Cat's Eyes. It > is > also believed that the radiation in such cat's eyes is over 50 times the > limit > prescribed by US laws. Obviously my mistake in the assumption. > > Irradiation enhancement is completely different. It is achieved either by > introduction to gamma rays with cobalt 60 or similar agent depending on > the > stone being irradiated, or by high energy electrons produced by electron > accelerators, followed by heat treatment. The electron accelerators used > are > the > types that produce high energy ( about 12-18 million volts) and high power > > (20-45 kilo watts). This is important for the rate of time exposure to the > > electronic beam. Typically, as an example a 20Kw can produce about > 50,000cts > per > day, and the energy is also of prime importance here, as high continuous > energy > means higher uniformly distributed color throughout the stone. > Another procedure is to do the same with neutrons, resulting in a slightly > > darker color. Combination of the two in a 2-step process is also done to > achive the more brighter color. The latter two have a business advantage > over the > gamma treatment, that you can produce larger quantities over a short > period > of time. > In case of the neutrons exposure, this is the one which makes the gems > radio > active and therefore it becomes essential to do a cooling-off period, > before > they can be processed further be it heat treatment or rough cutting and > polishing. Perhaps, the biggest group of people at risk here are the gem > cutters > ad polishers who get to do the stones first, much before it reaches the > consumer. > > Let me add something to this: Of all the radioactive nuclides that could > be > created by neutron irradiation, only four ( 46Sc, 51Cr, 54Mn and 59Fe) > would not have cooled down within a month after irradiation to the > internationally accepted level of specific residual radioactivity of 2 > nCi/g. The > radioactivity of 46Sc, 51Cr and 59Fe would only fall to this safe limit > after 15 > months and that of 54 Mn could remain above this limit for several years > > Anyway's, we can write a book on the enhancement procedures used in the > gems > and jewelry industry today, but my goal right now is to just make some > money, which is the tough part. lol > > There are couple of excellent books already available. I also posted an > article on gemstone enhancements in the groups which bought out the > difference > between be-treatment and irradiation. However, since I have been coming > across > a lot of Be-stuff, lately, it has gone into my head. > > Sitting in New York, I am sure you are amongst the rich and the big > spenders. Money making shouldn't be tough. > > On the lab, you are doing going by sticking to the swiss lab, everything > else is a business without ethics. For Pads, you are lucky to own an > unheatedone, which planet do you think we would wear a Pad for? I once had > the honour > > > > > of holding a 56carat true Pad(salmon fish flesh is the color) owned by > Ralph > Esmariane, a famous collector whos collection of color is to die for ! > If you have any questions, lets carry the discussion further, because I am > > sure that in a commercial market where most jyotish gem buyers are > mis-informed,this knowledge will be of help. > > One can only dream of holding such gemstones and not of purchasing, unless > > one becomes a direct descendant of an imperial family. What other > things > did you see with him? I happen to view an inclusion free, blazing, 6 > carats > Pidgeon Blood Burma Mogok Ruby, certified by the Swiss Labs with origin. > It > was blazing like the very Surya Devta. I merely possess a 1.4 carat > Pidgeon > blood Ruby - which is far smaller than the one I saw. > > In your earlier message, are you talking about Prasiolite? You used some > other name, but clear Green Quartz is usually known as Prasiolite. If this > is > the one you were refering to, then, I haven't had much experience using > it. I > shall have to study it first. So far I know that this color isn't natural > and > Amethyst is heated to create the color green. > > However, Aventurine is something that is tested and tried. Don't just go > by > the light effects. There are natural vibrational effects too. The natural > vibrations match that with the Heart Chakra. I wish we could prove this > scientifically too. > > More later. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > Namaste > Always anuj: Gaurav Jain > > __ > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- ........ 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