kemdrum yoga

June 17, 2007

Dear Bhaskar,

///The malefic side of Rahu has been overemphasised. Rahu is also

spiritual.it has to be,since it has taken amrit from the manthan.

how can anyone call it malefic ? We have no right to either call it

malefic, and neither benefic.///

This might be a little bit misleading as the Nodes, along with Sun, Mars and

Saturn are classed as natural malefics. All planets, malefics and benefics

alike, drank the amrita of immortality giving them the ability to re-create

(as the lords of karma) whenever an entity is born...

Drinking the amrita didn't determine their natural malefic (or) benefic

status.

Vis'vamitra (of S'ri Vyuha Jyotish) has this to say:

**The Grahas are the Lords of Karma, responsible for balancing all the

actions of evolving jivas that are not in accord with the Divine Plan in the

Mind of Lord Brahma, the Creator of the Universe.

Out of compassion for the evolving jivas drowning in the sea of their

accumulated karma, Lord Vishnu gave the Grahas the ability to transmute the

karma of jivas who appealed to them for grace.

Lord Vishnu also created Jyotish to provide a guiding light for the

struggling jivas.**

This (transmutation of karmas) is substantiated in the following chapter of

BPHS:

http://jyotishvidya.com/ch84.htm

**26-27. The Grah, who is the cause of adverse effects to a person at any

time, should be handled by worship and appeasing (of the benevolent ones),

because Brahma has blessed the Grahas with the boon " Do good to the persons,

who worship you " .**

///It has to behave as per the Planets with whom it is associated, no blame

can be given to Rahu.///

Agreed! Rahu's malevolent nature is greatly reduced when conjunct a strong

benefic and, as we know, he can also become a YogaKaraka when placed in a

kendra or trikona (in association with a trikona or kendra lord).

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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June 17, 2007

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Well said Wendy!

We should not shy away from differing views. In fact they should be

considered ,provided the same are

be based on examples from real life.

Astrological rules would be so much more meaningful if backed by

illustrative horoscopes.

Again, I hope I am not speaking out of context, because these days I

am not following the full thread and look in only occassionally.

But, in any case , I stand by what I have said.

All the best,

Neena.

-- In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamy,

>

> ///It is highly pertinent to quote here, one clue in regard to the

chart of

> Parasu is that " Rahu in the 3rd, 6th and 11th houses aspected by

benefics is

> strongly protective.///

>

> Indeed, Rahu is considered well-placed in the trishadya houses (3,

6, 11).

> However, I don't recall seeing any reference to benefic aspect

before? I

> don't doubt what you say by any means, but obviously I don't have

that

> particular reference at hand.

>

> ///If I elaborate this area another controversy of aspects on node

would

> start. I can't afford to argue.///

>

> Why, I wonder, do astrologers find it so difficult to present their

> arguments (as a lawyer would present his arguments in court) in a

> reasonable, well-researched manner; using examples to support their

case. If

> one has strong evidence to support their argument it should be put

forward

> in an intelligent manner...surely only greater understanding can be

gained

> from this?

>

> Sad it is that most attempts to put forward a legitimate argument

in support

> of a particular view is seen as an attempt at one-upmanship.

Perhaps this

> great fault of astrologers is due to a lack of formal training

which covers

> etiquette as well as knowledge of the law. I compare astrologers

with

> lawyers because both are engaged in law. Lawyers deal with man-made

laws

> whilst astrologers deal with natural law...the laws of the universe!

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> jyotish-vidya

> ___

>

June 17, 2007

[Wendy ji]

///I'm quite sure Balaji was simply referring to the

many conversations we've had here about the need to

fully understand the conditions that can render a yoga

ineffective.///

You have said it better than I intended! :-)

I have heard a lot of people say, " I have this yoga "

without understanding what it means.

I have seen, a long time ago, the chart of somebody

who had Vargotamma Sukra in Meena--a Pancha Maha

Purusha Yoga.

Unfortunately, the native's Sukra Dasa would have

started only when he was around 80 years old!

Of course, Sukra's Buktis would have been good.

My point was that, rather than look for yogas, it is

better to look at the significances of grahas and

houses.

[Krishnamurthy ji]

Rahu, as per the Kurma Avatara, gained Amrit and lost

his head when Lord Vishnu chopped his head off with

His Sudarshana Chakra.

I have personally experienced Rahu's grace--it has

been 10 years since Rahu introduced me to religion!

:-)

But, I was engaged in Bu-Ra, and the engagement broke

off in Bu-Gu. Not that I blame Rahu--I'm happy this

engagement broke off! :-)

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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June 18, 2007

Dear Neena,

///Again, I hope I am not speaking out of context, because these days I

am not following the full thread and look in only occassionally.///

That's fine, dear Neena. I do understand the difficulties you've been

facing. It's good to hear from you when you have time to visit :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" neenako " <neenako

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 18, 2007 10:15 AM

Re: kemdrum yoga

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Well said Wendy!

We should not shy away from differing views. In fact they should be

considered ,provided the same are

be based on examples from real life.

Astrological rules would be so much more meaningful if backed by

illustrative horoscopes.

Again, I hope I am not speaking out of context, because these days I

am not following the full thread and look in only occassionally.

But, in any case , I stand by what I have said.

All the best,

Neena.

June 18, 2007

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

This topic (aspects on node) is a vexed one. I remember this topic

was discussed at length in the Ben's List a number of times around

1996. This topic was discussed at length in Das's List. This topic

was discussed even in the List of Andrew. This topic was discussed

even in your earlier list. I don't remember a list where this topic

was not discussed. Some of the eminent astrologers had argued in

favour of " nodes are being aspected " in Ben's list. I can't present

the case in a better way than that of Shri K.N. Rao, in the Major

Domo list. In all of those lists you were a member at one point of

time or the other if I am not wrong. Hence I said " I can't afford

to argue once again on this topic " , It was not simply because shying

away from the issues as claimed by one of the members of the list,

though that member have not even gone through the thread fully.

I do not wish to convince or throw my opinion on anybody here. I

thought I would present my case in the evening after coming from my

workplace. I defer it now. I sense the mood of the list is not to

hear from me. I am not competent to deal with Universal Laws as a

Lawyer. I simply wonder how they are manifesting in a day to day

life through these nine planets and twelve houses. I am quite

thankful to Rahu; I started studying Law during Jupiter/Rahu. The

knowledge is still with me. He has not snatched it from me. Thank

God.

" Let Rahu takes away what he gives at the close of his dasha. " I

have no objection. The spirit behind my message was not understood.

I feel sorry for that and feel sorry for my inability to drive my

point.

Thanks for being patient with me whenever I wrote here.

Swamy.

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

///If I elaborate this area another controversy of aspects on node

would start. I can't afford to argue.///

Why, I wonder, do astrologers find it so difficult to present their

arguments (as a lawyer would present his arguments in court) in a

reasonable, well-researched manner; using examples to support their

case. If one has strong evidence to support their argument it should

be put forwardin an intelligent manner...surely only greater

understanding can be gainedfrom this?

Sad it is that most attempts to put forward a legitimate argument in

supportof a particular view is seen as an attempt at one-upmanship.

Perhaps thisgreat fault of astrologers is due to a lack of formal

training which coversetiquette as well as knowledge of the law. I

compare astrologers withlawyers because both are engaged in law.

Lawyers deal with man-made lawswhilst astrologers deal with natural

law...the laws of the universe!

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

June 18, 2007

Dear Swamy,

Yes, you're correct! The topic has been discussed infinitum for many years,

but never, to the best of my recollection, has there been a systematic

comparison using example charts. Of course I could be wrong as the memory

does get a little frayed with the passage of time and I might have forgotten

specific cases.

Obviously this topic is destined to (forever) remain in the realm of

controversy with no possibility of ever reaching a consensus...so be it!

///I sense the mood of the list is not to hear from me.///

You sense wrong; this I'm quite sure of!

///I am quite thankful to Rahu; I started studying Law during Jupiter/Rahu.

The knowledge is still with me. He has not snatched it from me. Thank

God.///

When an established dictum is found not to apply in certain charts, as we

find happening with many yogas also, the obvious approach would be to

investigate why, surely?

//I am not competent to deal with Universal Laws as a Lawyer.//

This statement leaves me utterly bewildered? I'm just at a loss as to how

the best of intentions can result in all these ill-feelings.

However, having had no sleep whatsoever last night (with my son in

emergency) and only managing to catch a couple of hours (of sleep) today,

I'm more than ready to withdraw from this discussion.

PS: Those waiting for a response to personal mails are asked to bear with me

for awhile as I do need to get some rest...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

jyotish-vidya

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" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 18, 2007 9:36 PM