Different systems of astrology-Mr.Lazmi

May 18, 2008

Dear Shri Kalsi,

Thanks for your mail and concern expressed...but

allow me to inform you that ALL this needless discussiion was begun

by Rajni Khan,Umesh Sharma and Raj...after I asked them a simple

question... " WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR LAL KITAB PREDICTIONS,UPAYAS OR

REMEDIES ETC., which seems " to have got their goat " ...and immediately

they went on the offensive...Umesh Sharma asked me for the rationale

of Vimhottari Dasa...which to their great chagrin I provided them

with very promptly indeed...and in return DEMANDE the Rationale for

Lal Kitab..,.which seems to have totally flabbergasted them...since

then there was needless and endless and most often MEANINGLESS

CORRESPONDENCE...

Finally wisdom seems to have dawned on Raj who

promptly reprimanded the group and asked them to FIRST DO SOME

INTROSPECTION THEMSELVES...

However some more adamant members like Kulbir Bans

continued...and began insisting that the Great SEER,Rup Chand Sharmaji

wrote a book...while the followers clearly admit that he never

did,but that " some of his intelligent disciples had made copious

notes while with him... " and these notes later appeared as

books...the 5 or more different versions of Lal Kitab exemplify

this...

Coming to the subject of UPAYAS AND REMEDIES,how can

one reconcile with the FACT stated at LK sites,that L.K. is based on

the KARMA THEORY...AND THE CLAIM THAT KAARMIC DESTINY CAN BE IN ANY

WAY BE ALTERED/MODIFIED/INFLUENCED at all...? !

My submission to the group was that UPAYAS ETC., are

only PLACEBOS...which are also known to give relief in upto 55%

cases...these are scientific facts,etc... This seems to have incensed

the followers more...! ?

As a doctor,surely you must be fully aware of this

fact...

Tell me dear DOCTOR KALSI... have I written

something wrong ?

By the way talking about Karma...allow me to inform

uall that there are Karmas are grouped under 3 Headings...SANCHITA,

PRARABDHA and AGAMI or KRIYAMANA...

PRARABDHA OR FATE HAS TO BE SUFFERRED/EXPERIENCED,

whether one likes it or not...AGAMI is the result of our doings in

the present existence,SANCHITA is accumulated Karma over the past

lives,that still has to be gone through as pending Karma... and so

on...

A lot many pages can be written on the subject...but

I have given above very briefly,enough to make my point...that only

about 1 to 2 % of things in our life ARE IN OUR CONTROL...the REST IS

KAARMIC DESTINY/FATE...!

Gullible as humans are,and also very optimistic

several new philosophers emerged who merrily MARKETED the idea that a

HUMAN CAN ALTER/INFLUENCE HIS FATE/DESTINY...quite successfuly to the

gullible...and less educated and knowledgeable...

It is for people like you and me,and members of this

L.K. forum to educate and inform the uninformed and exploited

masses,instead of taking advantage and " fleecing them " and making

a " pile of money " ...

To my mind,only the guilty among us can take

objection to this exhortation... !

The above,in brief is my considered

viewpoint...which I have always been fearlessly expressing...and

yes,in the process I could have made quite a few enemies but this is

inevitable in any endeavour...

With kind regards,

LAJMI YOGESH RAO.

>

> Dear Mr. Lazmi,

> I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology

in a

> Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have

read all the

> six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by

profession, he

> mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct method

of the

> present for judging the timing of event and horary.

> Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This

is also

> an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have

gone

> through the present controversies regarding the rationality of the

system.

> Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two

> different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your

stance

> being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many in

this group

> know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read the

Lalkitab

> system of astrology.

> If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it

self. It is

> the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one. The

correct

> interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system, while

> protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the timing

of an

> event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an event

is not

> in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was taking

> remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding

looting by

> astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using these

systems to

> mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every

system.

> Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil

cannot stop

> Good to forgo its goodness.

> It is better for us to know the system and educate the other

innocent about

> the misdeed of these blacksheep.

> This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let

every body

> take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the

advantage

> of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.

> Yours Sincerely,

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

May 19, 2008

Dear Mr.Kalsi, You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many more. Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as well. Please go through the case study and send your comments. Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal Mobile:09888288888 Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote: Dear Mr. Lazmi,I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and horary.

Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality of the system. Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read the Lalkitab system of astrology. If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti

was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to forgo its goodness. It is better for us to know the system and educate the other innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.Yours Sincerely,-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

May 20, 2008

Dear Sh. Aggarwal,I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as system. One will find information upto very minute details of planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets with LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule the roost.

As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books other than these six books.The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab do and the results are positive. Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured. So did I. Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give respect to him as well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same when he start reading these books.

I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my motive at all.You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my knowledge.

yoursShiv DevKalsiOn 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 wrote:

Dear Mr.Kalsi, You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many more.

Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as well. Please go through the case study and send your comments. Regards,

Dr.Amar AggarwalMobile:09888288888 Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Dear Mr. Lazmi,I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and horary.

Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality of the system.

Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read the Lalkitab system of astrology.

If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to forgo its goodness.

It is better for us to know the system and educate the other innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.

Yours Sincerely,-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

May 20, 2008

Dear Shri Kalsi,

Thank you for your response...and I hasten to add

that my personal contribution to Astrology or K.P., is miniscule...in

any manner...I am still,only an ardent student...

It is only an inquiring mind,which would want to

know the rationale behind every experience... in simple words " what

makes things 'tick'...and so on... "

I do agree that there are many systems of divining

the future in this world...but credulity or incredulity of a system

are also very important...Any 'system' necessarily needs to be

credulous,meaning,have a credible rationale at least...people could

go wrong in it's application...but the system necessarily needs to be

credulous... to qualify as " A SYSTEM " ...I'm sure you will agree...the

basic reason for my ORIGINAL QUESTION...indeed...

Dr. Kalsi,unfortunately,I am born with an inquiring

mind,and have also had the good Fortune of having had very

accomplished and learned teachers since my schooldays...who always

urged us to be curious/inquiring and learn from every

experience...and keep asking ask the questions How,Why,Where & When...

(do things happen..etc.)

Hence I cannot just help myself for asking

inquiring questions...if some people take it ill,or as a sign of

disrespect...I hasten to assure them that there never is a bias in a

true 'seeker' of answers...It is perhaps too late to get out of this

habit...I guess...

I am always available and my services are at

everybody's disposal..

Thank you for the invitation,I will do what I can...

With every good wish,

L.Y. Rao.

>

> Dear Sh.Lajmi,

> If any one knows the rationale behind any system then he does not

require

> these big volumes of books. In my opinion,there are three types of

people in

> the world

> 1-Inventor- Invent a system

> 2-Contributor- Contribute to invention and subsequent improvement

in the

> system by doing reseach

> 3- Consumer- Use system for their benefit.

> Almost all the persons in these groups are from last two

categories. I put

> you and me in the second category.

> Therefore, Let us keep aside all these issues at present. You are

an KP

> expert, No doubt to others. I know but not as much as you. Let us

try to

> build a core group of KP students which may become a source of

necessity for

> others in future.

> Yours

> Shiv Dev Kalsi

>

> On 5/18/08, L.Y.Rao. <lyrastro1 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Kalsi,

> > Thanks for your mail and concern expressed...but

> > allow me to inform you that ALL this needless discussiion was

begun

> > by Rajni Khan,Umesh Sharma and Raj...after I asked them a simple

> > question... " WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR LAL KITAB

PREDICTIONS,UPAYAS OR

> > REMEDIES ETC., which seems " to have got their goat " ...and

immediately

> > they went on the offensive...Umesh Sharma asked me for the

rationale

> > of Vimhottari Dasa...which to their great chagrin I provided them

> > with very promptly indeed...and in return DEMANDE the Rationale

for

> > Lal Kitab..,.which seems to have totally flabbergasted

them...since

> > then there was needless and endless and most often MEANINGLESS

> > CORRESPONDENCE...

> > Finally wisdom seems to have dawned on Raj who

> > promptly reprimanded the group and asked them to FIRST DO SOME

> > INTROSPECTION THEMSELVES...

> > However some more adamant members like Kulbir Bans

> > continued...and began insisting that the Great SEER,Rup Chand

Sharmaji

> > wrote a book...while the followers clearly admit that he never

> > did,but that " some of his intelligent disciples had made copious

> > notes while with him... " and these notes later appeared as

> > books...the 5 or more different versions of Lal Kitab exemplify

> > this...

> > Coming to the subject of UPAYAS AND REMEDIES,how can

> > one reconcile with the FACT stated at LK sites,that L.K. is based

on

> > the KARMA THEORY...AND THE CLAIM THAT KAARMIC DESTINY CAN BE IN

ANY

> > WAY BE ALTERED/MODIFIED/INFLUENCED at all...? !

> > My submission to the group was that UPAYAS ETC., are

> > only PLACEBOS...which are also known to give relief in upto 55%

> > cases...these are scientific facts,etc... This seems to have

incensed

> > the followers more...! ?

> > As a doctor,surely you must be fully aware of this

> > fact...

> > Tell me dear DOCTOR KALSI... have I written

> > something wrong ?

> > By the way talking about Karma...allow me to inform

> > uall that there are Karmas are grouped under 3

Headings...SANCHITA,

> > PRARABDHA and AGAMI or KRIYAMANA...

> > PRARABDHA OR FATE HAS TO BE SUFFERRED/EXPERIENCED,

> > whether one likes it or not...AGAMI is the result of our doings in

> > the present existence,SANCHITA is accumulated Karma over the past

> > lives,that still has to be gone through as pending Karma... and so

> > on...

> > A lot many pages can be written on the subject...but

> > I have given above very briefly,enough to make my point...that

only

> > about 1 to 2 % of things in our life ARE IN OUR CONTROL...the

REST IS

> > KAARMIC DESTINY/FATE...!

> > Gullible as humans are,and also very optimistic

> > several new philosophers emerged who merrily MARKETED the idea

that a

> > HUMAN CAN ALTER/INFLUENCE HIS FATE/DESTINY...quite successfuly to

the

> > gullible...and less educated and knowledgeable...

> > It is for people like you and me,and members of this

> > L.K. forum to educate and inform the uninformed and exploited

> > masses,instead of taking advantage and " fleecing them " and making

> > a " pile of money " ...

> > To my mind,only the guilty among us can take

> > objection to this exhortation... !

> > The above,in brief is my considered

> > viewpoint...which I have always been fearlessly expressing...and

> > yes,in the process I could have made quite a few enemies but this

is

> > inevitable in any endeavour...

> > With kind regards,

> > LAJMI YOGESH RAO.

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Lazmi,

> > > I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of

astrology

> > in a

> > > Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have

> > read all the

> > > six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by

> > profession, he

> > > mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct

method

> > of the

> > > present for judging the timing of event and horary.

> > > Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology.

This

> > is also

> > > an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have

> > gone

> > > through the present controversies regarding the rationality of

the

> > system.

> > > Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding

two

> > > different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate

your

> > stance

> > > being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many

in

> > this group

> > > know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read

the

> > Lalkitab

> > > system of astrology.

> > > If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it

> > self. It is

> > > the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one.

The

> > correct

> > > interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system,

while

> > > protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the

timing

> > of an

> > > event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an

event

> > is not

> > > in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was

taking

> > > remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding

> > looting by

> > > astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using

these

> > systems to

> > > mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in

every

> > system.

> > > Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil

> > cannot stop

> > > Good to forgo its goodness.

> > > It is better for us to know the system and educate the other

> > innocent about

> > > the misdeed of these blacksheep.

> > > This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other,

let

> > every body

> > > take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the

> > advantage

> > > of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.

> > > Yours Sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

May 20, 2008

lalkitab , " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Sh. Aggarwal,

> I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their

own

> limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as

system. One will

> find information upto very minute details of planetary movement.

The book

> regarding ruling planets is unique in its own. You may find

similarities the

> theory of Ruling Planets with LK system where Birth time planet,

Day Planet

> and King planet rule the roost.

> As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books

other than

> these six books.

> The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab

do and the

> results are positive.

>

> Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of

> astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured.

So did I.

> Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give respect to

him as

> well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was also in the

opinion that

> Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before reading it. But as deep my

studies in

> this sytem goes , my initial feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi

will

> certainly feel the same when he start reading these books.

> I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my

motive at all.

> You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct

file. I

> would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my knowledge.

> yours

> Shiv DevKalsi

>

> On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Kalsi,

> > You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the

timing of

> > events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this

respect? if so,

> > in that case I am attaching here with a case study in which a

astounding

> > prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical astrology and

the native

> > was told that he will suffer from svere eye disease in 2005. for

your

> > reference complete case study in shape of file is attached here

with. in

> > case you have any doubt about the prediction I can provide the

name and

> > contact number of the native so that you could verify the facts.

this only

> > one example out many more.

> > Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but

at the same

> > time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as

well. Please go

> > through the case study and send your comments.

> > Regards,

> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal

> > Mobile:09888288888

> >

> > *Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Lazmi,

> > I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of

astrology in a

> > Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have

read all the

> > six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by

profession, he

> > mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct

method of the

> > present for judging the timing of event and horary.

> > Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology.

This is also

> > an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have

gone

> > through the present controversies regarding the rationality of

the system.

> > Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding

two

> > different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate

your stance

> > being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many

in this group

> > know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read

the Lalkitab

> > system of astrology.

> > If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it

self. It

> > is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one.

> > The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of

KP system,

> > while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know

the timing of

> > an event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an

event is

> > not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was

taking

> > remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding

looting by

> > astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using

these systems to

> > mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in

every system.

> > Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil

cannot stop

> > Good to forgo its goodness.

> > It is better for us to know the system and educate the other

innocent about

> > the misdeed of these blacksheep.

> > This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other,

let every

> > body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can

get the

> > advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this

system.

> > Yours Sincerely,

> >

> > --

> > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> >

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

DEAR GURU JANS PRANAM,

ALL SYSTEMS ARE GOOD , ORIGINATORS OF THE SYSTEM HAD SACRIFICED LOT

IN THEIR PERSONAL AND SOCIAL LIFE TO GET THE RESULTS, I HAD THE

PREVILEDGED TO SEE TWO PERSONS SO DEDICATED TO THE ASTROLOGY NONE I

CAN COMPARE TO ANY ASTROLOGER IN THIS UNIVERSE TO NAME KP LAST

STUDENT MR N. MOHAN AND HIS FRIEND MR AVINISH JI OF DELHI HAD SO

MUCH FOR THE ASTROLOGERS AND ASTROLOGY ONE CANT THINK OF EVEN ,

STUDENTS LIKE ME HAD SEEN THERE CALCULATIONS EVEN BY JUST SEEING THE

TIME THEY USE TO PREDICT ONLY THRU RP RULING PLANETS, SAME I HAD

SEEN IN MR UMESH SHARMA JI SO DEDICATED TO THE SYSTEM I JUST COMPARE

MR N MOHAN MR AVINISH JI AND MR UMESH JI SAME AT EXECELENT PAR , I

REQUEST TO ALL THE GURUJIS , PLS DO NOT SAY ANY THING ABOUT ANY

SYSTEM IF U LIKE ANY SYSTEM JUST FOLLOW IT BUT PLS DO NOT HURT THE

SENTE4MENTS OF OTHER FOLLOWERS

I AM JUST A KID AND ANY WRONG THING SEND PLS EXCUSE ME AQS YOUR

YOUNGER BROTHER /SON /STUDENT

THANKS

VINAY

May 23, 2008

Dear Mr.Kalsi, I appreciate your feelings towards Mr.Rao. In case he is new to this system(Lal-Kitab) astrology, in that case he has all the rights to ask querreis relating to Lal-Kitab and those who have worked on this wonderful book but at the same time a layman like Mr.Rao(Regarding Lal-Kitab) has no right to criticise it. This gentleman called LY Rao, has just one point and that is KP. Does he mean that all other branches of astrology are useless. Just work on Jaimini astrlogy and see the results yourself. I had left this discussion long ago on the behest of Mr.Bains,but due to your intervention I had to write all this.In case you to consider the Kp most authentic I can forward the question and the contact number of person who suffered at the hands of Kp's followers. Now can you explain the

rationale behind 249 subs where as when 27 constelations are multiplied by9 the number comes to 243. If one can change this theory according one's own liking under the circumstances we can intermingel with dasha system also. Now we come to point I give here birth details of a native, DOB:18/06/1975, TOB:10.10AM IST andPOB: Jullunder, Now the question is what type of rasults Rahu's major period would have given to this native? Please use KP system only. Regards. Dr.Amar Aggarwal, Mobile:09888288888 Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote: Dear Sh. Aggarwal,I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as system. One will find information upto very minute details of planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets with LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule the roost.As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books other than these six books.The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab do and the results are positive. Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured. So did I. Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give respect to him as well

as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same when he start reading these books.I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my motive at all.You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my knowledge.yoursShiv DevKalsi On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 > wrote: Dear Mr.Kalsi, You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the timing of events. do

you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many more. Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as well. Please go through the case study and send your comments. Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal Mobile:09888288888 Shivdev

Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi > wrote: Dear Mr. Lazmi,I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is most correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and horary. Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality of the system. Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your

stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read the Lalkitab system of astrology. If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to forgo its goodness. It is better

for us to know the system and educate the other innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.Yours Sincerely,-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

May 23, 2008

Dear Amar ji,Between 10 april 1983 to 30 april 1983 the native must have suffered problems regarding h1, i.e. brain fever, or problems related with face or brain. 13 april or 14 april are imp dates.Pls reply about the accuracyRegardsAjay.Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 wrote: Dear Mr.Kalsi, I appreciate your feelings towards Mr.Rao. In case he is new to this system(Lal-Kitab) astrology, in that case he has all the rights to ask

querreis relating to Lal-Kitab and those who have worked on this wonderful book but at the same time a layman like Mr.Rao(Regarding Lal-Kitab) has no right to criticise it. This gentleman called LY Rao, has just one point and that is KP. Does he mean that all other branches of astrology are useless. Just work on Jaimini astrlogy and see the results yourself. I had left this discussion long ago on the behest of Mr.Bains,but due to your intervention I had to write all this.In case you to consider the Kp most authentic I can forward the question and the contact number of person who suffered at the hands of Kp's followers. Now can you explain the rationale behind 249 subs where as when 27 constelations are multiplied by9 the number comes to 243. If one can change this theory according one's own liking under the circumstances we can intermingel with dasha system

also. Now we come to point I give here birth details of a native, DOB:18/06/1975, TOB:10.10AM IST andPOB: Jullunder, Now the question is what type of rasults Rahu's major period would have given to this native? Please use KP system only. Regards. Dr.Amar Aggarwal, Mobile:09888288888 Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi > wrote: Dear Sh. Aggarwal,I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as system. One will find information upto very minute details of planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets with LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule

the roost.As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books other than these six books.The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab do and the results are positive. Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured. So did I. Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give respect to him as well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same when he start reading these books.I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my motive at all.You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my knowledge.yoursShiv DevKalsi On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 > wrote: Dear Mr.Kalsi, You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many

more. Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as well. Please go through the case study and send your comments. Regards, Dr.Amar Aggarwal Mobile:09888288888 Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi > wrote: Dear Mr. Lazmi,I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which

is most correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and horary. Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality of the system. Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also not read the Lalkitab system of astrology. If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as

preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to forgo its goodness. It is better for us to know the system and educate the other innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this system.Yours Sincerely,-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) The Power of SA astrology is supreme. Its the most accurate and scientific branch of Vedic astrology.

May 23, 2008

Dear Mr.Kalsi,

If I remember correctly,(I have the entire conversation

on record),Mr.Amar Aggarwal had stated sometime ago that he

was " quite familiar " with K.P.,but quite astonishingly,it now

transpires that this claim is an exaggeration,to say the least...

The TOB given by Amar Aggarwal was INCORRECT,and needed

correction,which I have corrected to the EXACT TOB,by using The New

K.P. Ayanamsa...(Only K.P. helps find out the exact TOB !)

The EXACT Time Of Birth of this person is 10-16-15 A.M.

As is proven by the fact that the sublord and the sub-lord of the

Ascendant,appear as the Moon's Star-lord and Moon's Sub-lord

respectively...

The Division into 249 subs is absolutely correct...the

subs which needlessly repeat have been done away with...giving rise

to 249 subs..the Ist reader of Krishnamurthy Padhdhati,explains it

all ...and most astrologers all over India know it well, except

perhaps Shri Amar Aggarwal...quite surprisingly though ! I urge Shri

Aggarwal to read the 6 readers of K.P. carefully and study them

properly before passing such ill-informed comments...on a subject he

does not know anything worth his while about...

I have NOT criticised Lal Kitab...I have certainly

criticised LK followers who do not know much about L.K., but still

crow in the name of Lal Kitab... " who behave as if they are more-loyal-

than-the-king " ...and pretend/claim to know more than or as much as,

the Seer himself...and make money on his name...

My criticism will hurt only such " Don Quixotes " ...!

I hope Mr. Aggarwal does not go about throwing any

more silly " challenges " ... and make a laughing stock of himself...

I have CORRECTED the TOB of the example given by Shri

Aggarwal...first,however,let us discuss whether the TOB given by him

is correct or the one arrived at by K.P. method is the correct

one...Next,maybe,we shall proceed to discuss the results given or

enjoyed uring Rahu's period...in detail...Let us match Major events

in the life of the person with the Dasa-Bhukti-Anthara-

Sookshmas...and then move forward...BTW,does Traditional Astrology

have any method to FIND OUT EXACT Time of Birth ? Mr Aggarwal may

kindly " reveal " such a method...

Mr.Kalsi,you are very well aware of the accuracy of

K.P.System...I need not elaborate further...

With best wishes and kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

>

> Dear Mr.Kalsi,

> I appreciate your feelings towards Mr.Rao. In case he is

new to this system(Lal-Kitab) astrology, in that case he has all the

rights to ask querreis relating to Lal-Kitab and those who have

worked on this wonderful book but at the same time a layman like

Mr.Rao(Regarding Lal-Kitab) has no right to criticise it. This

gentleman called LY Rao, has just one point and that is KP. Does he

mean that all other branches of astrology are useless. Just work on

Jaimini astrlogy and see the results yourself.

> I had left this discussion long ago on the behest of

Mr.Bains,but due to your intervention I had to write all this.In case

you to consider the Kp most authentic I can forward the question and

the contact number of person who suffered at the hands of Kp's

followers.

> Now can you explain the rationale behind 249 subs where as

when 27 constelations are multiplied by9 the number comes to 243. If

one can change this theory according one's own liking under the

circumstances we can intermingel with dasha system also.

> Now we come to point I give here birth details of a native,

DOB:18/06/1975, TOB:10.10AM IST andPOB: Jullunder, Now the question

is what type of rasults Rahu's major period would have given to this

native? Please use KP system only.

> Regards.

> Dr.Amar Aggarwal,

> Mobile:09888288888

>

> Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> Dear Sh. Aggarwal,

> I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their

own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as

system. One will find information upto very minute details of

planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in

its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets with

LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule

the roost.

> As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books

other than these six books.

> The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab

do and the results are positive.

>

> Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of

astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured. So

did I. Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give

respect to him as well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was

also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before

reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial

feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same when

he start reading these books.

> I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my

motive at all.

> You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct

file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my

knowledge.

> yours

> Shiv DevKalsi

>

> On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79 wrote: Dear

Mr.Kalsi,

> You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the

timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this

respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in

which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical

astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye

disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of

file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the

prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so

that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many more.

> Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at

the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as

well. Please go through the case study and send your comments.

> Regards,

> Dr.Amar Aggarwal

> Mobile:09888288888

>

> Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Lazmi,

> I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology

in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have

read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber

by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is most

correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and

horary.

> Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This

is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I

have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality

of the system.

> Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two

different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your

stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many

in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have also

not read the Lalkitab system of astrology.

> If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it

self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved

one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of

KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you

know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as

preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr

Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in

the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of

the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot

innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil

are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to

forgo its goodness.

> It is better for us to know the system and educate the other

innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.

> This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let

every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can

get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this

system.

> Yours Sincerely,

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

--

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

May 25, 2008

Dear Mr.Kalsi,

Mr.Amar Aggarwal seems to have been " hibernating "

during the years when KSK first published his Readers on Krishnmurthi

Padhdhati(in 2 Volumes)...when the followers of B.V.Raman got

together and launched a relentless WAR against K.P., in The

Astrological Magazine...

Subsequently,ALL such arguments as put forward by

Raman and his followers,as well as protagonists of the Traditional

System(and lately repeated by Amar Aggarwal) were very very

effectively refuted and discarded/dismissed by Krishnamurthiji,and

his followers in his own Magazine... " Astrology & Athrishta " ,as a

motivated onslaught on K.P.,...And now,perhaps,those " stinging "

Rebuttals still either rankle in his mind,or maybe he is

still " blissfully unaware of those happenings " ... Today more and more

Traditional Astrologers,an euphemism for " Raman's Followers " ...have

switched over to K.P., not for nothing...!

It is suggested that Mr.Aggarwal resorts to a much

more " informed " criticism of K.P.,in future,and that too, AFTER

having read the 6 Readers...TILL THEN HE IS ADVISED TO GO TO THE

FORESTS AND STUDY K.P.,AND KEEP HIS COUNSEL...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

>

> Dear Mr.Kalsi,

> If I remember correctly,(I have the entire

conversation

> on record),Mr.Amar Aggarwal had stated sometime ago that he

> was " quite familiar " with K.P.,but quite astonishingly,it now

> transpires that this claim is an exaggeration,to say the least...

> The TOB given by Amar Aggarwal was INCORRECT,and

needed

> correction,which I have corrected to the EXACT TOB,by using The New

> K.P. Ayanamsa...(Only K.P. helps find out the exact TOB !)

> The EXACT Time Of Birth of this person is 10-16-15

A.M.

> As is proven by the fact that the sublord and the sub-lord of the

> Ascendant,appear as the Moon's Star-lord and Moon's Sub-lord

> respectively...

> The Division into 249 subs is absolutely

correct...the

> subs which needlessly repeat have been done away with...giving rise

> to 249 subs..the Ist reader of Krishnamurthy Padhdhati,explains it

> all ...and most astrologers all over India know it well, except

> perhaps Shri Amar Aggarwal...quite surprisingly though ! I urge

Shri

> Aggarwal to read the 6 readers of K.P. carefully and study them

> properly before passing such ill-informed comments...on a subject

he

> does not know anything worth his while about...

> I have NOT criticised Lal Kitab...I have certainly

> criticised LK followers who do not know much about L.K., but still

> crow in the name of Lal Kitab... " who behave as if they are more-

loyal-

> than-the-king " ...and pretend/claim to know more than or as much as,

> the Seer himself...and make money on his name...

> My criticism will hurt only such " Don Quixotes " ...!

> I hope Mr. Aggarwal does not go about throwing any

> more silly " challenges " ... and make a laughing stock of himself...

> I have CORRECTED the TOB of the example given by

Shri

> Aggarwal...first,however,let us discuss whether the TOB given by

him

> is correct or the one arrived at by K.P. method is the correct

> one...Next,maybe,we shall proceed to discuss the results given or

> enjoyed uring Rahu's period...in detail...Let us match Major events

> in the life of the person with the Dasa-Bhukti-Anthara-

> Sookshmas...and then move forward...BTW,does Traditional Astrology

> have any method to FIND OUT EXACT Time of Birth ? Mr Aggarwal may

> kindly " reveal " such a method...

> Mr.Kalsi,you are very well aware of the accuracy of

> K.P.System...I need not elaborate further...

> With best wishes and kind regards,

> L.Y.Rao.

>

> >

> > Dear Mr.Kalsi,

> > I appreciate your feelings towards Mr.Rao. In case he

is

> new to this system(Lal-Kitab) astrology, in that case he has all

the

> rights to ask querreis relating to Lal-Kitab and those who have

> worked on this wonderful book but at the same time a layman like

> Mr.Rao(Regarding Lal-Kitab) has no right to criticise it. This

> gentleman called LY Rao, has just one point and that is KP. Does he

> mean that all other branches of astrology are useless. Just work on

> Jaimini astrlogy and see the results yourself.

> > I had left this discussion long ago on the behest of

> Mr.Bains,but due to your intervention I had to write all this.In

case

> you to consider the Kp most authentic I can forward the question

and

> the contact number of person who suffered at the hands of Kp's

> followers.

> > Now can you explain the rationale behind 249 subs where

as

> when 27 constelations are multiplied by9 the number comes to 243.

If

> one can change this theory according one's own liking under the

> circumstances we can intermingel with dasha system also.

> > Now we come to point I give here birth details of a

native,

> DOB:18/06/1975, TOB:10.10AM IST andPOB: Jullunder, Now the question

> is what type of rasults Rahu's major period would have given to

this

> native? Please use KP system only.

> > Regards.

> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal,

> > Mobile:09888288888

> >

> > Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > Dear Sh. Aggarwal,

> > I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have

their

> own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as

> system. One will find information upto very minute details of

> planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in

> its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets

with

> LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule

> the roost.

> > As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books

> other than these six books.

> > The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab

> do and the results are positive.

> >

> > Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system

of

> astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured.

So

> did I. Mr Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give

> respect to him as well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was

> also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before

> reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial

> feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same

when

> he start reading these books.

> > I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my

> motive at all.

> > You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct

> file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my

> knowledge.

> > yours

> > Shiv DevKalsi

> >

> > On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79@> wrote: Dear

> Mr.Kalsi,

> > You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the

> timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in

this

> respect? if so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study

in

> which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to

medical

> astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere

eye

> disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of

> file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the

> prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native

so

> that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many

more.

> > Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but

at

> the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab

as

> well. Please go through the case study and send your comments.

> > Regards,

> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal

> > Mobile:09888288888

> >

> > Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Lazmi,

> > I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of

astrology

> in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I

have

> read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber

> by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is

most

> correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and

> horary.

> > Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology.

This

> is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I

> have gone through the present controversies regarding the

rationality

> of the system.

> > Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding

two

> different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your

> stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not

many

> in this group know the basics of KP system. and infact you have

also

> not read the Lalkitab system of astrology.

> > If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it

> self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a

proved

> one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of

> KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If

you

> know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure

as

> preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even

Mr

> Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience

in

> the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of

> the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot

> innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil

> are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good

to

> forgo its goodness.

> > It is better for us to know the system and educate the other

> innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.

> > This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let

> every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can

> get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn

this

> system.

> > Yours Sincerely,

> >

> > --

> > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> >

> > --

> > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> >

>

May 27, 2008

Mr.Rao, I never talked to you since you could not answer a single question i reffered to. I clearly mentioned that I was out of this discussion. But what ever dialect was going on it was between Mr.Kalsi and me. under the circustances how do you jumped into picture.If you are so confident of KP padhati in that case you talk to the person whose contact number I sent you and after that you talk to me and I will tell you the follies made by so called KP experts including Mr.Hariharan. Other wise I am not interesed to interact with persons like you. Dr.Amar Aggarwal"L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Kalsi,Mr.Amar Aggarwal seems to have been "hibernating" during the years when KSK first published his Readers on Krishnmurthi Padhdhati(in 2 Volumes)...when the followers of B.V.Raman got together and launched a relentless WAR against K.P., in The Astrological Magazine... Subsequently,ALL such arguments as put forward by Raman and his followers,as well as protagonists of the Traditional System(and lately repeated by Amar Aggarwal) were very very effectively refuted and discarded/dismissed by Krishnamurthiji,and his followers in his own Magazine..."Astrology & Athrishta",as a motivated onslaught on K.P.,...And now,perhaps,those "stinging" Rebuttals still either rankle in his mind,or maybe he is still "blissfully unaware of those happenings"... Today

more and more Traditional Astrologers,an euphemism for "Raman's Followers"...have switched over to K.P., not for nothing...!It is suggested that Mr.Aggarwal resorts to a much more "informed" criticism of K.P.,in future,and that too, AFTER having read the 6 Readers...TILL THEN HE IS ADVISED TO GO TO THE FORESTS AND STUDY K.P.,AND KEEP HIS COUNSEL...With best wishes,L.Y.Rao.GOOD LUCK !>> > Dear Mr.Kalsi,> If I remember correctly,(I have the entire conversation > on record),Mr.Amar Aggarwal had stated sometime ago that he > was "quite familiar" with K.P.,but quite astonishingly,it now > transpires that this claim is an exaggeration,to say the least...> The TOB given by Amar Aggarwal was INCORRECT,and needed > correction,which I have corrected to the EXACT TOB,by using The New > K.P. Ayanamsa...(Only K.P. helps find out the exact TOB

!)> The EXACT Time Of Birth of this person is 10-16-15 A.M.> As is proven by the fact that the sublord and the sub-lord of the > Ascendant,appear as the Moon's Star-lord and Moon's Sub-lord > respectively...> The Division into 249 subs is absolutely correct...the > subs which needlessly repeat have been done away with...giving rise > to 249 subs..the Ist reader of Krishnamurthy Padhdhati,explains it > all ...and most astrologers all over India know it well, except > perhaps Shri Amar Aggarwal...quite surprisingly though ! I urge Shri > Aggarwal to read the 6 readers of K.P. carefully and study them > properly before passing such ill-informed comments...on a subject he > does not know anything worth his while about...> I have NOT criticised Lal Kitab...I have certainly > criticised LK followers who do not know much about L.K., but still > crow in the

name of Lal Kitab..."who behave as if they are more-loyal-> than-the-king"...and pretend/claim to know more than or as much as, > the Seer himself...and make money on his name...> My criticism will hurt only such "Don Quixotes"...!> I hope Mr. Aggarwal does not go about throwing any > more silly "challenges"... and make a laughing stock of himself...> I have CORRECTED the TOB of the example given by Shri > Aggarwal...first,however,let us discuss whether the TOB given by him > is correct or the one arrived at by K.P. method is the correct > one...Next,maybe,we shall proceed to discuss the results given or > enjoyed uring Rahu's period...in detail...Let us match Major events > in the life of the person with the Dasa-Bhukti-Anthara-> Sookshmas...and then move forward...BTW,does Traditional Astrology > have any method to FIND OUT EXACT

Time of Birth ? Mr Aggarwal may > kindly "reveal" such a method...> Mr.Kalsi,you are very well aware of the accuracy of > K.P.System...I need not elaborate further...> With best wishes and kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > >> > Dear Mr.Kalsi,> > I appreciate your feelings towards Mr.Rao. In case he is > new to this system(Lal-Kitab) astrology, in that case he has all the > rights to ask querreis relating to Lal-Kitab and those who have > worked on this wonderful book but at the same time a layman like > Mr.Rao(Regarding Lal-Kitab) has no right to criticise it. This > gentleman called LY Rao, has just one point and that is KP. Does he > mean that all other branches of astrology are useless. Just work on > Jaimini astrlogy and see the results yourself.> > I had left this discussion long ago on the behest

of > Mr.Bains,but due to your intervention I had to write all this.In case > you to consider the Kp most authentic I can forward the question and > the contact number of person who suffered at the hands of Kp's > followers.> > Now can you explain the rationale behind 249 subs where as > when 27 constelations are multiplied by9 the number comes to 243. If > one can change this theory according one's own liking under the > circumstances we can intermingel with dasha system also.> > Now we come to point I give here birth details of a native, > DOB:18/06/1975, TOB:10.10AM IST andPOB: Jullunder, Now the question > is what type of rasults Rahu's major period would have given to this > native? Please use KP system only.> > Regards.> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal,> > Mobile:09888288888> > > > > > Shivdev Kalsi

<shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:> > Dear Sh. Aggarwal,> > I am not defending any system. All systems are good and have their > own limitations. You may agree that Books in KP are complete as > system. One will find information upto very minute details of > planetary movement. The book regarding ruling planets is unique in > its own. You may find similarities the theory of Ruling Planets with > LK system where Birth time planet, Day Planet and King planet rule > the roost.> > As in lalkitab(Five books), you may not require any more books > other than these six books.> > The inventor of LK declare results as confidently as the lalkitab > do and the results are positive.> > > > Please don't consider my these mails as criticism to any system of > astrology. As per Lalkitab traditions, A Learned must be honoured. So > did I. Mr

Lazmi is a Learned man as you are. Members must give > respect to him as well as you. He is new to Lalkitab system. I was > also in the opinion that Lalkitab is a Toona Totka book before > reading it. But as deep my studies in this sytem goes , my initial > feeling has taken U-turn. Mr.Lazmi will certainly feel the same when > he start reading these books.> > I feel sorry if my words hurt you in any way, this was not my > motive at all.> > You attached a wrong file with the mail. Please send the correct > file. I would like to read the interpretion, This will add to my > knowledge.> > yours> > Shiv DevKalsi> > > > On 5/19/08, Amar Aggarwal <gnagesh79@> wrote: Dear > Mr.Kalsi,> > You have defended KP System for its accuracy in the > timing of events. do you mean that Vedic System is a failure in this > respect? if

so, in that case I am attaching here with a case study in > which a astounding prediction was made in 2003 pertaining to medical > astrology and the native was told that he will suffer from svere eye > disease in 2005. for your reference complete case study in shape of > file is attached here with. in case you have any doubt about the > prediction I can provide the name and contact number of the native so > that you could verify the facts. this only one example out many more.> > Mr.Kalsi here I am in no way against the KP system but at > the same time i would like to defend Vedic Astrology and Lal-Kitab as > well. Please go through the case study and send your comments.> > Regards,> > Dr.Amar Aggarwal> > Mobile:09888288888 > > > > Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Lazmi,>

> I have a great pleasure to see an expert of KP system of astrology > in a Lalkitab Group.During My studies of astgrology sciences, I have > read all the six books written by great Mr.KrishanaMurti. A plumber > by profession, he mastered rather invented a new system which is most > correct method of the present for judging the timing of event and > horary. > > Presently I am also studying the Lalkitab System of Astrology. This > is also an unique system of astrology and has its own parameters. I > have gone through the present controversies regarding the rationality > of the system. > > Dear Lazmi, Most of the participitants including you are riding two > different trains running parrallel to each other. I appreciate your > stance being single handedly facing the other hostile group. Not many > in this group know the basics of KP system. and

infact you have also > not read the Lalkitab system of astrology. > > If one want to debate then there is no rationale in Astrology it > self. It is the practical experience which make these sytems a proved > one. The correct interpretition of timing of event is the beauty of > KP system, while protection is the beauty of lalkitab System. If you > know the timing of an event then you can take the remedial measure as > preventing an event is not in the jurisdiction of human being.Even Mr > Krishna Murti was taking remedial measure. I read his experience in > the books. Regarding looting by astrologers, You are right most of > the astrolgers are using these systems to mint money and loot > innocent. Black sheep are everywhere in every system. Good and evil > are two brothers and will go simultaneously. Evil cannot stop Good to > forgo its goodness.

> > It is better for us to know the system and educate the other > innocent about the misdeed of these blacksheep.> > This is the wastage of time to through garbage on each other, let > every body take advantage of your knowledge and if you feel you can > get the advantage of experience of Lalkitab Astrolgers to learn this > system.> > Yours Sincerely,> > > > -- > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)> >>

May 27, 2008

Dear Amar,

No amount of prejudiced venom spewed against the

K.P.System of Astrology(directly or indirectly) can ever help

Traditional Vedic Astrology to become as accurate,and as increasingly

popular,as the K.P.System is,and proven to be...Many years ago such a

debate took place for months together,in the late Dr.BV.Raman's

Magazine " The Astrological Magazine " and " Astrology & Athrishta " a

Magazine published by K.S Krishnamurthi...

Giving a few examples of " wrongly applied K.P., " is a

fruitless exercise ...because,since the last over 3 decades,K.P. has

been proven to be the most accurate system of Stellar Astrology ever

invented...Our Guruji,the late Jyotish Marthand K.S.Kriahnamurthiji

has achieved International Fame for this discovery of his...

Followers of the Traditional System,somehow, just cannot

digest this fact it seems...even today...after Astrologers all over

the world marvel at the accuracy of K.P. The discovery of the RULING

PLANET THEORY was the most invaluable discovery for decades to

come...And more and more Traditional Astrologers are switching over

to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati...!

The consideration of the transits of the Sun,Moon and

Jupiter for accurately timing an event yet to take place,in Horary or

even Natal Astrology...is a unique discovery indeed...and the transit

of the Ascendant on the day selected can even pin-point the event

upto the minute even...A lot of accounts of " live " examples of such

instant predictions by KSK,are given in the Readers...and many of his

followers are doing it on a daily basis...in

Madurai,Chennai,Trivandrum and elsewhere...

Dear Amar Aggarwal I advise you to " wake up " to

reality,and stop living in a dream-world of your own making...and

denouncing K.P., without even knowing " head or tail " about it...! !

(Your earlier claim about your knowledge about K.P.,now

stands totally demolished.)

Reading the six Readers on K.P. will help clear a lot of

clouds,clouding your mind,Amar Aggarwal...and then...you are welcome

to discuss K.P. and its superiority over the Traditional Hindu

Astrological methods,any time...what with a lot of confusing and mind-

boggling and totally contradictory " yogas " (Raja Yogas,Neechabhanga

Yogas and what not...)

I am prepared for a detailed debate with you Amar,but

only after you have read about K.P. principles first...as I do not

wish to debate with a person,not only un-informed on K.P.,but also

one who holds an uninformed prejudice too...

Looking forward to an informed debate on K.P.,and its

efficacy/accuracy vis a vis the Traditional System...