THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (analyse my career)

[Guest guest]

Dear Shaji and Sanjay:

 

As a moderator it's my duty to ensure that the constitution of this

Jyotish Vidya group remains true to it's founded intentions. The

purpose of this group is not to provide free (or paid) astrological

advice directly to individual laymen. Rather it is a place for

astrologers to discuss their art and science amongst themselves, to

advance their skills.

 

Sometimes horoscopes are offered for case studies. If you, or any

member wishes to put forth a horoscope for a case study you are very

welcome, but the horoscope must be accompianied by your own analysis

as an astrologer, and the feedback on the horoscope will not be

directed to the native, but towards the astrologer who put it forth as

a case study.

 

If a person requires direct astrological advice, they are encouraged

to do so privately, not on this board.

 

Thank you for understanding and complying.

 

~ Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri VIC Dicara,

Absolutely this what we as participators in this site desire.An opportunity to

have collective wisdom and discuss impartially the relevance of jyotish in day

to day life.

Not that we profess as problem solvers but opine how thing would be for

improvement and what could be in case deteriorate 'coz of Grahachara in gochara.

About manner of providing services to the layman,and for Astrologers too offer

services,an opportunity is offered and is a opportunity by itself though it is

likely to land in ambiguities yet times as tehe elevtronic media has host of

problems with rference to genuine ness of the data ,seekers and the

methodologies

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara wrote:

 

Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara

THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (Re: analyse my career)

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 5:51 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shaji and Sanjay:

 

As a moderator it's my duty to ensure that the constitution of this

Jyotish Vidya group remains true to it's founded intentions. The

purpose of this group is not to provide free (or paid) astrological

advice directly to individual laymen. Rather it is a place for

astrologers to discuss their art and science amongst themselves, to

advance their skills.

 

Sometimes horoscopes are offered for case studies. If you, or any

member wishes to put forth a horoscope for a case study you are very

welcome, but the horoscope must be accompianied by your own analysis

as an astrologer, and the feedback on the horoscope will not be

directed to the native, but towards the astrologer who put it forth as

a case study.

 

If a person requires direct astrological advice, they are encouraged

to do so privately, not on this board.

 

Thank you for understanding and complying.

 

~ Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

www.vedicastrologer .net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir/Moderator ,

 

[1] I respect ur views & concerns.I am never interested in

taking any form of compensation from my consultors.I have been doing this from

around 30yrs.Even when I started my initiations in this holy subject somewhere

in 1977, my aim was to help people in pain without putting slightest tax on

them.Nowadays I am seing a plethora of astrologers advertised on different

websites who take handsome ammounts to entertain these people.

 

[2] I have seen people in real real trouble not having enough moneyto give to

astrologers to get a opinion to redress their pain.Who will attend them remains

a question.I am a member of other groups also & rarely see people replying to

people actuallly suffering , and subsequently there questions remain

unattended.That is the reason I have joined so many groups so that such people

in agony may get some attendance.

 

[3] What is the point in educating so mnay member astrologers if they cannot

do a iota of charity to the needful.By giving replies we encourage the holiness

of the group also.

 

[4] I have seen many astrologers in this group itself answering to queries to

umpteenth number of people everyday slating various conditions to answer the

queries and often snubbing the querist's not caring for their already injured &

fragile state of mind because of there problems it self and in place of getting

any remedy they receive a scolding.

 

[5] I will utter a saying in Hindi " BADA HUA TU KYA HUA JAISE PER KHAJOOR

PANCHI TAK KO CHAYA NAHIN PHAL LAGE ATI DUR " .

 

[6] IF yiu still insist that I should not answer to unattended queries of

innocent people let me know I will withdraw from the membership of this group.

I donot want to stay in a place where I cannot help the people in need.

 

Warm Regards

 

Sanjay Misra

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Dear Shri VIC Dicara,

Absolutely this what we as participators in this site desire.An opportunity to

have collective wisdom and discuss impartially the relevance of jyotish in day

to day life.

Not that we profess as problem solvers but opine how thing would be for

improvement and what could be in case deteriorate 'coz of Grahachara in gochara.

About manner of providing services to the layman,and for Astrologers too offer

services,an opportunity is offered and is a opportunity by itself though it is

likely to land in ambiguities yet times as tehe elevtronic media has host of

problems with rference to genuine ness of the data ,seekers and the

methodologies

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara wrote:

 

Victor Damien DiCara <vicdicara

THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (Re: analyse my career)

jyotish-vidya

Saturday, July 19, 2008, 5:51 PM

 

Dear Shaji and Sanjay:

 

As a moderator it's my duty to ensure that the constitution of this

Jyotish Vidya group remains true to it's founded intentions. The

purpose of this group is not to provide free (or paid) astrological

advice directly to individual laymen. Rather it is a place for

astrologers to discuss their art and science amongst themselves, to

advance their skills.

 

Sometimes horoscopes are offered for case studies. If you, or any

member wishes to put forth a horoscope for a case study you are very

welcome, but the horoscope must be accompianied by your own analysis

as an astrologer, and the feedback on the horoscope will not be

directed to the native, but towards the astrologer who put it forth as

a case study.

 

If a person requires direct astrological advice, they are encouraged

to do so privately, not on this board.

 

Thank you for understanding and complying.

 

~ Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

www.vedicastrologer .net

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay Mishra,

 

///[1] I respect ur views & concerns.I am never interested in taking any

form of compensation from my consultors.I have been doing this from

around 30yrs.Even when I started my initiations in this holy subject

somewhere in 1977///

 

There are the views of Jyotish-Vidya - Mr. DiCara, as an active

moderator, is simply upholding these views.

 

///my aim was to help people in pain without putting slightest tax on

them.///

 

It seems that we have very different " aims " ! The aim of Jyotish-Vidya is

to offer (free) the knowledge gained over many years in order to assist

novice astrologers to grow in understanding so that they may quickly

obtain the competence and confidence to give readings to the general

public...free or otherwise according to their own choice.

 

///[2] I have seen people in real real trouble not having enough moneyto

give to astrologers to get a opinion to redress their pain.Who will

attend them remains a question.I am a member of other groups also &

rarely see people replying to people actuallly suffering , and

subsequently there questions remain unattended.That is the reason I have

joined so many groups so that such people in agony may get some

attendance.///

 

I have seen far too many inexperienced astrologers giving (so-called)

free readings in an effort to establish their own reputation...often with

alarming consequences.

 

///[3] What is the point in educating so mnay member astrologers if they

cannot do a iota of charity to the needful.By giving replies we encourage

the holiness of the group also.///

 

Novice astrologers need to arm themselves well with right knowledge

before offering their services to the public. Here they can test out this

knowledge (in a safe environment) using study charts and seeking

confirmation from senior members.

You say you've been doing this for around 30 yrs...what a wonderful

opportunity for you to share your experience with others...this also is

offering a (valuable) free service.

 

///[6] IF yiu still insist that I should not answer to unattended queries

of innocent people let me know I will withdraw from the membership of

this group.///

 

If you wish to offer a free consultation service to the needy(?) there

are many opportunities for you to do so...

1) You can respond to the native privately.

2) You can build a website (free of cost to you if you don't mind some

advertsising on your site) and invite people to ask for a free reading.

3) You can ask to have your details added here

http://jyotishvidya.com/directory.htm stating clearly that you offer a

free service.

 

///[5] I will utter a saying in Hindi " BADA HUA TU KYA HUA JAISE PER

KHAJOOR PANCHI TAK KO CHAYA NAHIN PHAL LAGE ATI DUR " .///

 

Please remember that English is the preffered language of this group. To

speak otherwise is extremely inconsiderate to the MANY English speaking

members here.

 

///I do not want to stay in a place where I cannot help the people in

need.///

 

The intention of this group is clearly stated on the group's homepage

jyotish-vidya/ ...see below!

 

[it's important to read through the following message carefully before

subscribing. There are a few basic rules that must be adhered to. It will

be assumed that all who join are aware of them. Those unable to follow

these rules should not join.

 

The intention of this group is to promote the discussion of Vedic

astrology as taught by the great sage Maharishi Parashara.

 

The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant

(or natural) karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells

us that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that

much of Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the

student is not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself

in contradictions and confusions.

 

Members who wish to discuss their own chart should be aware that,

although guidance in understanding the principles of Parashara Jyotish

(as applied to their chart) is freely given whenever possible, personal

readings should be sought privately from a professional astrologer.

 

Be mindful that Jyotish-Vidya is a discussion group for Astrologers and

students of Astrology. We DO NOT offer a free consultation or marriage

compatibility service.

 

NB: Please seek permission from the list owner (address below) before

advertising any conferences, courses, websites or other groups. Failing

to comply with this request WILL result in immediate loss of posting

privilege.

 

Disrespectful behaviour towards senior astrologers will not be tolerated

and offenders will be banned from the group without notice.]

 

Of course you're more than welcome to leave the group if you wish. We, of

course, wish you well in your endeavours.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy (Owner: JV Discussion Group)

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" SANJAY MISRA " <vastuwonders

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:33 PM

Re: THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (Re: analyse my

career)

 

 

Dear Sir/Moderator ,

 

[1] I respect ur views & concerns.I am never

interested in taking any form of compensation from my consultors.I have

been doing this from around 30yrs.Even when I started my initiations in

this holy subject somewhere in 1977, my aim was to help people in pain

without putting slightest tax on them.Nowadays I am seing a plethora of

astrologers advertised on different websites who take handsome ammounts

to entertain these people.

 

[2] I have seen people in real real trouble not having enough moneyto

give to astrologers to get a opinion to redress their pain.Who will

attend them remains a question.I am a member of other groups also &

rarely see people replying to people actuallly suffering , and

subsequently there questions remain unattended.That is the reason I have

joined so many groups so that such people in agony may get some

attendance.

 

[3] What is the point in educating so mnay member astrologers if they

cannot do a iota of charity to the needful.By giving replies we encourage

the holiness of the group also.

 

[4] I have seen many astrologers in this group itself answering to

queries to umpteenth number of people everyday slating various conditions

to answer the queries and often snubbing the querist's not caring for

their already injured & fragile state of mind because of there problems

it self and in place of getting any remedy they receive a scolding.

 

[5] I will utter a saying in Hindi " BADA HUA TU KYA HUA JAISE PER

KHAJOOR PANCHI TAK KO CHAYA NAHIN PHAL LAGE ATI DUR " .

 

[6] IF yiu still insist that I should not answer to unattended queries

of innocent people let me know I will withdraw from the membership of

this group.

I donot want to stay in a place where I cannot help the people in need.

 

Warm

Regards

 

Sanjay

Misra

[Guest guest]

Dear Moderator,

 

[1] Your statements look self-contradictory &

paradoxical.You hit both hot & cold simultaneously.

 

[2] You say that One should not reply to queries to individual people , are

these people not members or do the replies donot give astrological clues to

the starters in the subject.Then what is Bhaskarji doing in ur group? Is he not

doing the same everyday.Have you sent similiar messages to him? Or you promote

some of ur group people only.

 

[3] I am reading many mails in ur group from past one month, and it is very

clear that you are a group of 10 to 15 people who keep on promoting one another

in different names , if it is not the case then then why different set of rules

for different people.

 

[4] Well what I have to do I will decide by myself whether to run a website or

not remains my sweet will, but the practises you promote as a moderartor in this

group donot look fair enough.I had heard a lot about these practises prevalent

in this group and now they stand proved in my eyes.And for ur information I have

been already doing all this on websites & many places free of cost.You must have

seen many novice astrologers and the so many ornate words you use for

astrologers illadvising people are you very sure that you are also not

surrounded by many such people in ur group itself.Who will decide.

 

[5] You are right in advising me to to quit as per my core heart feeling since

I feel my presence needless & immaterial in the group.

 

Goodbye & Goodluck to you & ur elite

Group.

 

Regards

 

Sanjay Misra

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

Dear Sanjay Mishra,

 

///[1] I respect ur views & concerns.I am never interested in taking any

form of compensation from my consultors.I have been doing this from

around 30yrs.Even when I started my initiations in this holy subject

somewhere in 1977///

 

There are the views of Jyotish-Vidya - Mr. DiCara, as an active

moderator, is simply upholding these views.

 

///my aim was to help people in pain without putting slightest tax on

them.///

 

It seems that we have very different " aims " ! The aim of Jyotish-Vidya is

to offer (free) the knowledge gained over many years in order to assist

novice astrologers to grow in understanding so that they may quickly

obtain the competence and confidence to give readings to the general

public...free or otherwise according to their own choice.

 

///[2] I have seen people in real real trouble not having enough moneyto

give to astrologers to get a opinion to redress their pain.Who will

attend them remains a question.I am a member of other groups also &

rarely see people replying to people actuallly suffering , and

subsequently there questions remain unattended.That is the reason I have

joined so many groups so that such people in agony may get some

attendance.///

 

I have seen far too many inexperienced astrologers giving (so-called)

free readings in an effort to establish their own reputation...often with

alarming consequences.

 

///[3] What is the point in educating so mnay member astrologers if they

cannot do a iota of charity to the needful.By giving replies we encourage

the holiness of the group also.///

 

Novice astrologers need to arm themselves well with right knowledge

before offering their services to the public. Here they can test out this

knowledge (in a safe environment) using study charts and seeking

confirmation from senior members.

You say you've been doing this for around 30 yrs...what a wonderful

opportunity for you to share your experience with others...this also is

offering a (valuable) free service.

 

///[6] IF yiu still insist that I should not answer to unattended queries

of innocent people let me know I will withdraw from the membership of

this group.///

 

If you wish to offer a free consultation service to the needy(?) there

are many opportunities for you to do so...

1) You can respond to the native privately.

2) You can build a website (free of cost to you if you don't mind some

advertsising on your site) and invite people to ask for a free reading.

3) You can ask to have your details added here

http://jyotishvidya.com/directory.htm stating clearly that you offer a

free service.

 

///[5] I will utter a saying in Hindi " BADA HUA TU KYA HUA JAISE PER

KHAJOOR PANCHI TAK KO CHAYA NAHIN PHAL LAGE ATI DUR " .///

 

Please remember that English is the preffered language of this group. To

speak otherwise is extremely inconsiderate to the MANY English speaking

members here.

 

///I do not want to stay in a place where I cannot help the people in

need.///

 

The intention of this group is clearly stated on the group's homepage

jyotish-vidya/ ...see below!

 

[it's important to read through the following message carefully before

subscribing. There are a few basic rules that must be adhered to. It will

be assumed that all who join are aware of them. Those unable to follow

these rules should not join.

 

The intention of this group is to promote the discussion of Vedic

astrology as taught by the great sage Maharishi Parashara.

 

The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant

(or natural) karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells

us that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that

much of Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the

student is not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself

in contradictions and confusions.

 

Members who wish to discuss their own chart should be aware that,

although guidance in understanding the principles of Parashara Jyotish

(as applied to their chart) is freely given whenever possible, personal

readings should be sought privately from a professional astrologer.

 

Be mindful that Jyotish-Vidya is a discussion group for Astrologers and

students of Astrology. We DO NOT offer a free consultation or marriage

compatibility service.

 

NB: Please seek permission from the list owner (address below) before

advertising any conferences, courses, websites or other groups. Failing

to comply with this request WILL result in immediate loss of posting

privilege.

 

Disrespectful behaviour towards senior astrologers will not be tolerated

and offenders will be banned from the group without notice.]

 

Of course you're more than welcome to leave the group if you wish. We, of

course, wish you well in your endeavours.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy (Owner: JV Discussion Group)

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

-

" SANJAY MISRA " <vastuwonders

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:33 PM

Re: THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (Re: analyse my

career)

 

Dear Sir/Moderator ,

 

[1] I respect ur views & concerns.I am never

interested in taking any form of compensation from my consultors.I have

been doing this from around 30yrs.Even when I started my initiations in

this holy subject somewhere in 1977, my aim was to help people in pain

without putting slightest tax on them.Nowadays I am seing a plethora of

astrologers advertised on different websites who take handsome ammounts

to entertain these people.

 

[2] I have seen people in real real trouble not having enough moneyto

give to astrologers to get a opinion to redress their pain.Who will

attend them remains a question.I am a member of other groups also &

rarely see people replying to people actuallly suffering , and

subsequently there questions remain unattended.That is the reason I have

joined so many groups so that such people in agony may get some

attendance.

 

[3] What is the point in educating so mnay member astrologers if they

cannot do a iota of charity to the needful.By giving replies we encourage

the holiness of the group also.

 

[4] I have seen many astrologers in this group itself answering to

queries to umpteenth number of people everyday slating various conditions

to answer the queries and often snubbing the querist's not caring for

their already injured & fragile state of mind because of there problems

it self and in place of getting any remedy they receive a scolding.

 

[5] I will utter a saying in Hindi " BADA HUA TU KYA HUA JAISE PER

KHAJOOR PANCHI TAK KO CHAYA NAHIN PHAL LAGE ATI DUR " .

 

[6] IF yiu still insist that I should not answer to unattended queries

of innocent people let me know I will withdraw from the membership of

this group.

I donot want to stay in a place where I cannot help the people in need.

 

Warm

Regards

 

Sanjay

Misra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sanjay, it's very simple... please answer the queries personally to

the person, and not to the group. That solves everything. I am not the

perfect moderator or the perfect anything else. Yet I am correct in

this case. Kindly comply and don't be insulted.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic,

 

Mr. Sanjay Misra was quickly removed and banned from the group due to the

deliberate rudeness expressed in his last post. It's pointless to go on

reasoning with someone who is being deliberately unreasonable. It's

clearly stated on JV homepage that disrespectful behaviour will not be

tolerated and offenders will be banned from the group without notice.

 

This rule will be enforced when necessary in order to maintain harmony

within the group.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

 

 

-

" Vic D " <vicdicara

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, July 21, 2008 2:20 AM

Re: THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP (Re: analyse my

career)

 

 

Sanjay, it's very simple... please answer the queries personally to

the person, and not to the group. That solves everything. I am not the

perfect moderator or the perfect anything else. Yet I am correct in

this case. Kindly comply and don't be insulted.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net