Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear Sir, You are absolutely right that the birth time of a child is the moment when it cries first. In your example the shild was still born. Untill and unless the child cries or breathes it will not be taken as live. Life begins only at first breath. So the moment of first breath is the time of birth. We may forget about other rules. Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/21/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan Birth Time Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:16 AM Dear Learned Members, Irrespective of different opinions / theories on Birth Time, the KP rule is clear that Birth Time is the time of 1st cry of child born. One of my relatives, gave birth to a femalew child. The doctor has given the time of birth as 12.14pm. This is a case of premature birth and hence the child was removed by caeserian operation. Immediately after operation, the child was removed to children hospital, by giving oxygen. The child was kep in incubation for two days and under oxygen for one week. It is not known when the child made 1st cry. I request the learned members to kindly clarify me Birth Time in the cases of above nature. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Respected Mr. Naidu, Sir, The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive. So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB. In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical. I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans. Regards, sujatkaram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Thanks Sujatkaram garu for your comments. Let us see the comments of senior KP astrologers. With Best wishes, Naidu KPsujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear Dr.Luther garu, In the given case exact time of birth how will be decided, may kindly be clarifiede. Naidu KPLuther Rath <rathluther wrote: Dear Sir, You are absolutely right that the birth time of a child is the moment when it cries first. In your example the shild was still born. Untill and unless the child cries or breathes it will not be taken as live. Life begins only at first breath. So the moment of first breath is the time of birth. We may forget about other rules. Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/21/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> Birth Time Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:16 AM Dear Learned Members, Irrespective of different opinions / theories on Birth Time, the KP rule is clear that Birth Time is the time of 1st cry of child born. One of my relatives, gave birth to a femalew child. The doctor has given the time of birth as 12.14pm. This is a case of premature birth and hence the child was removed by caeserian operation. Immediately after operation, the child was removed to children hospital, by giving oxygen. The child was kep in incubation for two days and under oxygen for one week. It is not known when the child made 1st cry. I request the learned members to kindly clarify me Birth Time in the cases of above nature. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Respected Sir, Now there arises a controversy regarding the birth time of a child. Birth time is not of much importance to the medial people. But for astrological study regarding the fortune and future of a child or the grown up accurate ¡Astrological Birth Time ¡is very essential. Astrological birth time should be the moment of first breathing in or first crying which ever is earlier. Some people consider the time when the head is seen out, some when the head is delivered and some when whole body is delivered. But until and unless the baby takes a breath in it is not fully alive. A birth is not registered by the birth and death registration authority un less the baby has breathed in. Breathing is the final sign of life. There should be no confusion regarding this. Actually a baby begins to live as an embryo from the time of fertilization of Ovum by the sperm. No one can say this time. The embryo grows and around 4th month of conception all organs of the body are developed and at that time the heart beat of the faetus (Baby) is perceived by the medical people. But till completion of 7 months the baby is considered as non-viable. If the baby is delivered before this time it is called an abortion not a delivery. It is registered as an abortion only. If the baby is delivered after 7 months it is viable. At the beginning of the process of delivery the baby is connected with the mother by the cord and placenta through which it gets Oxygen and food from the mother. So it remains dependent on the mother to live.. In fact when it is out and severed from the mother it becomes independent.. The separation from mother can be by 2 ways. Firstly when the placenta is separated from the womb or secondly when the cord of the baby is cut. Time of the first cannot be told in each case. Even if we know both the timings unless the child has breathed it has not attained life. Therefore because of the above facts in case a child does not breathe for long duration after separating from the mother a horoscope should not be prepared for the child. To reply to any question regarding the child a horary number should be taken from the parents and judged. This shall be safe I suppose. Opinion of seniors is requested for. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 5/24/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalanRe: Birth Time Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 4:32 AM Dear Dr.Luther garu, In the given case exact time of birth how will be decided, may kindly be clarifiede. Naidu KPLuther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Dear Sir, You are absolutely right that the birth time of a child is the moment when it cries first. In your example the shild was still born. Untill and unless the child cries or breathes it will not be taken as live. Life begins only at first breath. So the moment of first breath is the time of birth. We may forget about other rules. Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/21/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> Birth Time@gro ups.comWednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:16 AM Dear Learned Members, Irrespective of different opinions / theories on Birth Time, the KP rule is clear that Birth Time is the time of 1st cry of child born. One of my relatives, gave birth to a femalew child. The doctor has given the time of birth as 12.14pm. This is a case of premature birth and hence the child was removed by caeserian operation. Immediately after operation, the child was removed to children hospital, by giving oxygen. The child was kep in incubation for two days and under oxygen for one week. It is not known when the child made 1st cry. I request the learned members to kindly clarify me Birth Time in the cases of above nature. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 According to META-PHYSICS. The time the Child takes the FIRST BREATH, life begins. Prana is Life- Its lord is Vayu. So when vayu, enters the body the Prana Yayu gives life to the child, hence the 1st breath is the BIRTH Time."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Thanks Sujatkaram garu for your comments. Let us see the comments of senior KP astrologers. With Best wishes, Naidu KPsujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more. raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram Re: Birth Time Date: Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers...over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing...K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_tkp Sent: Saturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dear sri Raichur Ji, There is no second opinion nor dispute on FIRST BREATH as Birth Time. In the given case I request your suggestion to get the exact Birth Time. Regards, Naidu KPRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: According to META-PHYSICS. The time the Child takes the FIRST BREATH, life begins. Prana is Life- Its lord is Vayu. So when vayu, enters the body the Prana Yayu gives life to the child, hence the 1st breath is the BIRTH Time."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Thanks Sujatkaram garu for your comments. Let us see the comments of senior KP astrologers. With Best wishes, Naidu KPsujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more. raichur anant mumbai K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Dear Mr K,P.NaiduTake the nearest time you think is likely, and then correct it so thatAsc Sub is Moon Star, Moon Sub is Asc sub sub. The Asc Lord need be changed as the date, and app hour is known"K. P. Naidu" <konathalan wrote: Dear sri Raichur Ji, There is no second opinion nor dispute on FIRST BREATH as Birth Time. In the given case I request your suggestion to get the exact Birth Time. Regards, Naidu KPRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: According to META-PHYSICS. The time the Child takes the FIRST BREATH, life begins. Prana is Life- Its lord is Vayu. So when vayu, enters the body the Prana Yayu gives life to the child, hence the 1st breath is the BIRTH Time."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Thanks Sujatkaram garu for your comments. Let us see the comments of senior KP astrologers. With Best wishes, Naidu KPsujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more. raichur anant mumbai K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 sir, For further clarificarion - i mention the following; time of birth is 1. Time of conception in mother's womb - cannot be recorded 2. Time of Sirshodaya - getting in touch with this world 3. Time of first breath - cry is a signal of first breath - because the child once come out of the womb - air because of its natural flow enters the nostrils - and for that kick lungs get activate. Longevity is decided by the number of breaths in a life. In Hatha yoga - those who practice 'breathless state' live longer time e.g., yogies in himalayas - For this reason time of first breath - recorded from the time of first cry is being taken as time of birth. Rao chitturu Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Mr K,P.NaiduTake the nearest time you think is likely, and then correct it so thatAsc Sub is Moon Star, Moon Sub is Asc sub sub. The Asc Lord need be changed as the date, and app hour is known"K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear sri Raichur Ji, There is no second opinion nor dispute on FIRST BREATH as Birth Time. In the given case I request your suggestion to get the exact Birth Time. Regards, Naidu KPRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: According to META-PHYSICS. The time the Child takes the FIRST BREATH, life begins. Prana is Life- Its lord is Vayu. So when vayu, enters the body the Prana Yayu gives life to the child, hence the 1st breath is the BIRTH Time."K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Thanks Sujatkaram garu for your comments. Let us see the comments of senior KP astrologers. With Best wishes, Naidu KPsujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram.K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more. raichur anant mumbai K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is,nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Saturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but.... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Thanks Dr. Luther Rath Garu for your detailed explanation of scientific aspect of child birth. But Astrological aspect of child birth is required. Horary is seperate aspect. what about the child's Natal horoscopy ? Let the learned members may kindly express their views. Naidu KPLuther Rath <rathluther wrote: Respected Sir, Now there arises a controversy regarding the birth time of a child. Birth time is not of much importance to the medial people. But for astrological study regarding the fortune and future of a child or the grown up accurate ¡Astrological Birth Time ¡is very essential. Astrological birth time should be the moment of first breathing in or first crying which ever is earlier. Some people consider the time when the head is seen out, some when the head is delivered and some when whole body is delivered. But until and unless the baby takes a breath in it is not fully alive. A birth is not registered by the birth and death registration authority un less the baby has breathed in. Breathing is the final sign of life. There should be no confusion regarding this. Actually a baby begins to live as an embryo from the time of fertilization of Ovum by the sperm. No one can say this time. The embryo grows and around 4th month of conception all organs of the body are developed and at that time the heart beat of the faetus (Baby) is perceived by the medical people. But till completion of 7 months the baby is considered as non-viable. If the baby is delivered before this time it is called an abortion not a delivery. It is registered as an abortion only. If the baby is delivered after 7 months it is viable. At the beginning of the process of delivery the baby is connected with the mother by the cord and placenta through which it gets Oxygen and food from the mother. So it remains dependent on the mother to live.. In fact when it is out and severed from the mother it becomes independent.. The separation from mother can be by 2 ways. Firstly when the placenta is separated from the womb or secondly when the cord of the baby is cut. Time of the first cannot be told in each case. Even if we know both the timings unless the child has breathed it has not attained life. Therefore because of the above facts in case a child does not breathe for long duration after separating from the mother a horoscope should not be prepared for the child. To reply to any question regarding the child a horary number should be taken from the parents and judged. This shall be safe I suppose. Opinion of seniors is requested for. Dr. Luther--- On Sat, 5/24/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Birth Time Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 4:32 AM Dear Dr.Luther garu, In the given case exact time of birth how will be decided, may kindly be clarifiede. Naidu KPLuther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Dear Sir, You are absolutely right that the birth time of a child is the moment when it cries first. In your example the shild was still born. Untill and unless the child cries or breathes it will not be taken as live. Life begins only at first breath. So the moment of first breath is the time of birth. We may forget about other rules. Dr. Luther--- On Wed, 5/21/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> Birth Time@gro ups.comWednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:16 AM Dear Learned Members, Irrespective of different opinions / theories on Birth Time, the KP rule is clear that Birth Time is the time of 1st cry of child born. One of my relatives, gave birth to a femalew child. The doctor has given the time of birth as 12.14pm. This is a case of premature birth and hence the child was removed by caeserian operation. Immediately after operation, the child was removed to children hospital, by giving oxygen. The child was kep in incubation for two days and under oxygen for one week. It is not known when the child made 1st cry. I request the learned members to kindly clarify me Birth Time in the cases of above nature. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dear Ashok, I use only New K.P. Ayanamsa,since it was first published,(2003),and am quite satisfied with the results I am getting... The Rule that the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,must appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively, is applicable to rectification of Birth Times given and are + or - 30 minutes away from the actual TOB... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. ashok sehgal <aks071945 Sent: Sunday, 25 May, 2008 9:26:08 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but.... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Has your work life balance shifted? Find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is,nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Saturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but.... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Respected Dr. Luther Rath,Mr.Naidu,Lajmiji, Raichurji and other members, At the outset I would request all not to call me Guru as I dont deserve that status. In spite of detailed and very lucid explaination about the phenomenon of child birth, by Dr. Luther, I must say that the basic doubt remains unresolved. Dr. Luther suggests that a horary should be tried.But unless we accept that the child is born, what forecast are we going to make? we cannot say that the child will survive because how can one, who is not born, survive? Similarly we cannot forecast death because there cannot be death without birth. I very strongly feel that we cannot ignore the fact that the child has been separated from its mother and is very much in the outer world .Struggling to surve under medical care.It is born! And the TOB is the time of putting it on oxygen or the time of separation. All members are requested to contribute their views. sujat. , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > > Thanks Dr. Luther Rath Garu for your detailed explanation of scientific aspect of child birth. But Astrological aspect of child birth is required. Horary is seperate aspect. what about the child's Natal horoscopy ? > > Let the learned members may kindly express their views. > > Naidu KP > > Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > Respected Sir, > Now there arises a controversy regarding the birth time of a child. Birth time is not of much importance to the medial people. But for astrological study regarding the fortune and future of a child or the grown up accurate ¡Astrological Birth Time ¡is very essential. > > Astrological birth time should be the moment of first breathing in or first crying which ever is earlier. Some people consider the time when the head is seen out, some when the head is delivered and some when whole body is delivered. But until and unless the baby takes a breath in it is not fully alive. A birth is not registered by the birth and death registration authority un less the baby has breathed in. Breathing is the final sign of life. There should be no confusion regarding this. > Actually a baby begins to live as an embryo from the time of fertilization of Ovum by the sperm. No one can say this time. The embryo grows and around 4th month of conception all organs of the body are developed and at that time the heart beat of the faetus (Baby) is perceived by the medical people. But till completion of 7 months the baby is considered as non-viable. If the baby is delivered before this time it is called an abortion not a delivery. It is registered as an abortion only. > If the baby is delivered after 7 months it is viable. > At the beginning of the process of delivery the baby is connected with the mother by the cord and placenta through which it gets Oxygen and food from the mother. So it remains dependent on the mother to live.. In fact when it is out and severed from the mother it becomes independent.. The separation from mother can be by 2 ways. Firstly when the placenta is separated from the womb or secondly when the cord of the baby is cut. Time of the first cannot be told in each case. Even if we know both the timings unless the child has breathed it has not attained life. > Therefore because of the above facts in case a child does not breathe for long duration after separating from the mother a horoscope should not be prepared for the child. To reply to any question regarding the child a horary number should be taken from the parents and judged. This shall be safe I suppose. > > Opinion of seniors is requested for. > > Dr. Luther > > > --- On Sat, 5/24/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: > K. P. Naidu <konathalan > Re: Birth Time > > Saturday, May 24, 2008, 4:32 AM > > Dear Dr.Luther garu, > > In the given case exact time of birth how will be decided, may kindly be clarifiede. > > Naidu KP > > Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: > Dear Sir, > You are absolutely right that the birth time of a child is the moment when it cries first. In your example the shild was still born. Untill and unless the child cries or breathes it will not be taken as live. Life begins only at first breath. So the moment of first breath is the time of birth. We may forget about other rules. > > Dr. Luther > > --- On Wed, 5/21/08, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Birth Time > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 5:16 AM > > Dear Learned Members, > > Irrespective of different opinions / theories on Birth Time, the KP rule is clear that Birth Time is the time of 1st cry of child born. > > One of my relatives, gave birth to a femalew child. The doctor has given the time of birth as 12.14pm. This is a case of premature birth and hence the child was removed by caeserian operation. Immediately after operation, the child was removed to children hospital, by giving oxygen. The child was kep in incubation for two days and under oxygen for one week. > > It is not known when the child made 1st cry. > > I request the learned members to kindly clarify me Birth Time in the cases of above nature. > > Naidu KP > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. > > > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dear Mr.LY Rao Thank you for the elaborate explanation given in my favour. We have absolutely no second opinion about the first breath of the neo born. The fetus breathing thro mother's umblical chord stops breathing when it's cut and starts breathing thro nostrils . That is the first breath to be accounted for TOB is what we learned and I projected it to you. Here (K_P_system)I ve got the experiances of numerous learned astrologers added to the stock in me. Thank you again and hope to look forward more. Wishes and regards tkp ghopal--- On Sat, 5/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 4:20 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today,27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research. Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Re: Birth Time Date: Monday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but..... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive..So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Dear Sehgal ji, I can understand your confusion. Most of the Delhi based software, including ours, have implemented Khullar ji's ayanamsa by the name of KP (New). Though later on realizing this mistake, we have named it as KP (Khullar) rather than KP (New). KP (New) is the one which Raichur ji is talking and which was published in KP Astrology annual issue. The ayanamsa made popular by Khullar ji is straight line anayamsa and is very close to Lahiri or Chitrapakshiya ayanamsa. I think you are confusing KP (New) with KP(Khullar) due the name used by your software. The KP (New) ayanamsa table can be found in the file section of this forum and it is what you should refer for KP Ayanamsa. KP (New) and KP (Old) are very close and you will find mostly few seconds difference for most of the charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:50 AM, ashok sehgal <aks071945 wrote: Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today,27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research. Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurar Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Monday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.com Saturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but..... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to " live " only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.com Saturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.com Friday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive..So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans. Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear SehagalThe ayanamsa on 28,5,2008 is :NEWKP 23,53,3THE LAHARI = 23,58,21SO THE NEW KP IS NOT ALMOST EQUAL TO OLD OR TO LAHIRIThe Basic Difference is the Year in which the Nirayan and Sayan coincided, i.e. the ayanamsa was ZERO. You will get the years as 285 and 291 a.d.we are using different SWs Which is yours ?Please contact shree kanak, who has done very good research on this.ashok sehgal <aks071945 wrote: Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today,27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research. Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Monday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but..... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive..So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now raichur anant mumbai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Ashok, I use ONLY K.P. New Ayanamsa,published in the Magazine k.P. & Astrology 1993 Annual,and uploaded on this site by Mr.A.R.Raichur...DO NOT CONFUSE SP KHULLAR's New K.P. ayanamsa with the ORIGINAL K.P. NEW AYANAMSA...! L.Y.Rao. ashok sehgal <aks071945 Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2008 1:20:39 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today, 27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research . Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comMonday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but.... . After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive..So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now What is your Emotional Quotient? Find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Punit Ji Thanks for your reply.I had been using kp old & doing a resonable job with my predictions.Since most members recomended kp new I also switched over ,but found that predictions are going wrong in some cases.Thanks again for clearing the confusion. Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Wed, 28/5/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Birth Time Date: Wednesday, 28 May, 2008, 2:12 AM Dear Sehgal ji, I can understand your confusion. Most of the Delhi based software, including ours, have implemented Khullar ji's ayanamsa by the name of KP (New).. Though later on realizing this mistake, we have named it as KP (Khullar) rather than KP (New). KP (New) is the one which Raichur ji is talking and which was published in KP Astrology annual issue. The ayanamsa made popular by Khullar ji is straight line anayamsa and is very close to Lahiri or Chitrapakshiya ayanamsa. I think you are confusing KP (New) with KP(Khullar) due the name used by your software. The KP (New) ayanamsa table can be found in the file section of this forum and it is what you should refer for KP Ayanamsa. KP (New) and KP (Old) are very close and you will find mostly few seconds difference for most of the charts. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:50 AM, ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today, 27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research . Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurar > Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comMonday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.com Saturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but..... . After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive...So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Dear Sh.Raichur/Sh.L Y Rao other members The confusion regarding ayanamsa was due to the fact that my sw was refering to kp (Khullar)as kp new as cleared by Sh Punit Pandey. Thanks for your replies. Regards A K SEHGAL--- On Wed, 28/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Re: Birth Time Date: Wednesday, 28 May, 2008, 12:38 PM Dear SehagalThe ayanamsa on 28,5,2008 is :NEWKP 23,53,3THE LAHARI = 23,58,21SO THE NEW KP IS NOT ALMOST EQUAL TO OLD OR TO LAHIRIThe Basic Difference is the Year in which the Nirayan and Sayan coincided, i.e. the ayanamsa was ZERO. You will get the years as 285 and 291 a.d.we are using different SWs Which is yours ?Please contact shree kanak, who has done very good research on this.ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sh Raichur/ Sh L Y Rao As pre my software,today, 27-05-08 different ayanamsas are as follows=kp new-23-57-49 lahiri or chitrapaksha 23-58-32 & kp old 23-52-24.Kp new & lahri are very close whereas kp old is about 06' less.An interesting question which bothers me is that when lahiri ayanamsa was almost universaly accepted,late KSK adopted & insisted on kp old & now peaple are using kp new which is almost same as lahiri.In most cases results & timings change dramatically by using different ayanamsas.I think this issue needs serious discussion/research . Regards A K SEHGAL --- On Mon, 26/5/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comMonday, 26 May, 2008, 12:40 PM Dear Ashok Sehalgal and friendsThe Laheri Ayanamsa is 5-6 min.(app) from the KP Ayanamsa-(old and New)ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear L Y Rao You have been recommending btr by comparing Asc sublord & sub-sublord with moon,s sl & sublord.Which ayanamsa you have been using for it,old or new.New kp ayanamsa is quite close to chitrapaksha ayanamsa,is, nt it. Regards A K Sehgal --- On Sat, 24/5/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008, 9:50 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but..... . After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive...So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . raichur anant mumbai Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now raichur anant mumbai Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Dear Mr.LY Rao Thank you for the elaborate explanation given in my favour. We have absolutely no second opinion about the first breath of the neo born. The fetus breathing thro mother's umblical chord stops breathing when it's cut and starts breathing thro nostrils . That is the first breath to be accounted for TOB is what we learned and I projected it to you. Here (K_P_system)I ve got the experiances of numerous learned astrologers added to the stock in me.--- On Sat, 5/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Birth Time Date: Saturday, May 24, 2008, 4:20 PM Dear Ghopal, What you aver was the thinking prevailing during the developmental stages of K.P.,but... After years of research,finally our Great Guruji,Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji had finally reached the conclusion that the exact TOB of a child is at the time he takes his first Breath...! This has been confirmed by hundreds of case-studies conducted by his very learned and experienced followers... over the years...Also Scientifically a child begins to "live" only after he begins breathing... K.P. thus rightly gives great importance to the first breath,which is generally very close to the first cry... hence K.P. recognises this as the exact TOB of a child... K.P. Researchers have found that the time,when the Ascendant sub-lord and the sub-sub lord,appear as the Moon's St.lord and the sub-lord respectively,that time is the EXACT TOB... Dear Ghopal, please therefore rest assured that K.P. followers who follow the above rule are very correct...and I hope that this note of mine will serve to remove any remaining/lingering doubts in your mind ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkp >@gro ups.comSaturday, 24 May, 2008 8:24:21 PMRe: Re: Birth Time Hello Kindly be logic enough to know that at any cost umblical chord will be cut and our great GURUJI has uttered to make use of the time of cutting of umblical chord as the tob of the child.Further you need to take the help of RP to decide the tob. Regards tkp ghopal--- On Fri, 5/23/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: sujatkaram <sujatkaram (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Birth Time@gro ups.comFriday, May 23, 2008, 7:38 AM Respected Mr. Naidu,Sir,The case-history furnished by you is really interesting and illustrative of the pit-falls of astrologers. In my opinion ,the first cry normally coincides with the first breath ,in normal births, and so is taken as the time of birth. This case is abnormal. The child has not cried but has taken the first breath as soon as the oxygen was given and continued breathing and has remained alive.So, in my opinion,either the time the child was separated from its mother or the time it was given oxygen should be treated as the TOB.In such cases it is possible that the child might not cry but remain alive under intensive medical care for weeks .If during this period the parents approach an astrologer and ask him whether their child would survive, will the astrologer say that the child is not born because it has not cried?This would be illogical.I humbly seek comments and guidance from the veterans.Regards,sujatkaram. Planet Earth is in the hot seat. Know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Respected Memebers, I joined this esteem group with purpose stated by group owner / moderator.. I guess its noble work.. I'm an IT professional (23 years of functioning) and a novice in the field of astrology.. I love to read / explore.. As a curious individual, in my spare time, I initiated self education in Vedic astrology and obtained certification from Sanskrit Maha Vidhylaya of M S University. Since then I'm going thru various articles / reading material on the subject (to feed my curiosity).. I respect / salute the research work done by most who have given many dimensions to this never ending search for the truth.. It has made this subject a lot easier to comprehend and at the same time thought provoking.. All these has led me to believe that the matter most ignored / overlooked (or differed) by majority is the basis on which it stands.. Correct Birth Date, Time & Place.. What I mean is that most of the time predictions are delivered on GIVEN Birth D/T/P without verification.. Hence the whole exercise becomes fruitless and probability of invalid predictions go high.. I read a few articles on birth rectification and using different ayanansh for predictions.. I tried to apply some of the rules on my & some other charts but without much conclusion.. Probably due to limited understanding on the subject As I've joined this forum recently, the subject on birth rectification and ayanansh might have been discussed in the past.. If so then can one help me where to search for similar discussions? If not then (being resourceful community) probably one can put forward his/her understanding / view point / opinion / findings and ways & means of application.. Any insight would be a step forward and a feed to my curiosity.. Also any reference / guidance documentation to understand and digest the subject matter will certainly be of great help.. Much appreciated.. Regards to all.. Chetan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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