Birth Time

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Chetan Ji,

Birth time as you rightly pined is a matter difficult to be agreed  as the

classics say it is specific time when the child gets separated from the womb of

the monther.Also we have other timing like time of conception(adhna lagna0 and

so on so forth.

In fact all of us initially try and check the time given is correct or not by

linking with prashna lagna.Indications of the lagna chart correct or not become

basis before resorting predictions based on surya lagna or chandra lagna.

But the question is how ever is more about transit or gochara that has an impact

on individual's life and style.

we need d always  take all 3 three lagnas and divisional aspects.Relying on

birth data and it's corrective courses may be of little consequences to link

with proceedings happen in real situation.

Birth time correct is important but in how many cases it is sharp and accurate

is a matter of conjecture.Time as informed and recorded has to be relied than to

test and find it's accuracy

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Chetan <cvpoo wrote:

 

Chetan <cvpoo

Birth Time

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, July 24, 2008, 4:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Memebers,

 

I joined this esteem group with purpose stated by group owner /

moderator.. I guess its noble work..

 

I'm an IT professional (23 years of functioning) and a novice in the

field of astrology.. I love to read / explore..

 

As a curious individual, in my spare time, I initiated self education

in Vedic astrology and obtained certification from Sanskrit Maha

Vidhylaya of M S University. Since then I'm going thru various

articles / reading material on the subject (to feed my curiosity)..

 

I respect / salute the research work done by most who have given many

dimensions to this never ending search for the truth.. It has made

this subject a lot easier to comprehend and at the same time thought

provoking..

 

All these has led me to believe that the matter most ignored /

overlooked (or differed) by majority is the basis on which it

stands.. Correct Birth Date, Time & Place..

 

What I mean is that most of the time predictions are delivered on

GIVEN Birth D/T/P without verification. . Hence the whole exercise

becomes fruitless and probability of invalid predictions go high..

 

I read a few articles on birth rectification and using different

ayanansh for predictions. .

I tried to apply some of the rules on my & some other charts but

without much conclusion.. Probably due to limited understanding on

the subject

 

As I've joined this forum recently, the subject on birth

rectification and ayanansh might have been discussed in the past.. If

so then can one help me where to search for similar discussions?

 

If not then (being resourceful community) probably one can put

forward his/her understanding / view point / opinion / findings and

ways & means of application. . Any insight would be a step forward

and a feed to my curiosity..

 

Also any reference / guidance documentation to understand and digest

the subject matter will certainly be of great help..

 

Much appreciated. .

 

Regards to all..

 

Chetan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Respected Chetan,

 

Thank you for your thoughtful message...

 

> All these has led me to believe that the matter most ignored /

> overlooked (or differed) by majority is the basis on which it

> stands.. Correct Birth Date, Time & Place..

 

Coincidentally, I just made a blunder for a client and messed up her

time... she told me her birth time was 14:10 and for some unknown

reason I made a big mistake and drew the charts for 14:02... I don't

know why. However all I was doing for her was a basic janma kundli

interpretation.

 

Nevertheless, you may find this an interesting case study:

 

~~~

 

Here is what changes between 14:02 and 14:10...

 

2 minutes EARLIER (14:00) and your Dashamsha (10ths) Chart would

change... this chart gives finer details about one's career success.

 

4 minutes EARLIER (13:58) and your Navamsha (9ths) Chart would

change... this chart gives finer details about your marriage and

partnerships.

 

At 1 minute LATER (14:03) your 12ths chart changes... this chart gives

finer details about your parents. I did not utilize this chart in your

basic reading.

 

At 3 minutes LATER (14:05) your 16th chart changes... this gives finer

details about cars and that type of property... i did not utilize this

chart in your basic reading.

 

With almost each minute, the higher divisional charts (20ths, 24ths,

27ths, 45ths, and 60ths) change... i almost never need so much detail

as to need to look at these charts at all anyway.

 

And that's it... so between 14:02 and 14:10, only the charts I don't

use changed in any significant way. The Navamsha and Dashamsha did not

change in this case.

 

Besides the charts, another thing affected by the exact minutes of

birth time are the planetary periods - which allow us to predict WHEN

the karmas in the birth chart will manifest. With every minute of

birth the periods of the planets shift by about 2 days. So for

example, if you were born at 14:02, your Mars period would begin July

16th of 2009... but 8 minutes later, being born at 14:10, your Mars

period begins about 15 or 16 days earlier, on July 1st of 2009...

again not much of a big deal and definately nothing that would have

bearing on the type of reading I did for you.

 

As I said when I did your basic, initial reading I felt quite assured

that the chart was correct for you. It remains essentially the same

between 14:02 and 14:10... the only difference being a few degrees

change in the exact position of the ascendant, and a fraction of a

degree of placement in the faster planets: moon, sun, etc. For the

purposes of this initial reading, the charts are identical.

 

At 14:14, however, the charts all change in a gigantic way. But that

doesn't concern us if we are confident that 14:10 is an accurate

time... are you?

 

~~~

 

Honestly I was a bit shocked at how LITTLE changes minute to minute.

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Chetan,

 

I have found the following method highly useful in rectifications:

 

1. First get the ascendant to match the person's experience of life.

2. Then be sure the Nakshatras for Asc., Moon, Asc Lord and Sun match.

3. Then be sure the Navamsha Matches

4. Then be sure the Dashamsha matches without ruining the Navamsha Match

5. Then go step by step through the higher divisionals getting them to

match the native's experience in that area. For example, 16th for

property and cars, 12th for parents, 20th 24th, etc. --- go to the

higher ones after you have matched the lower ones, and always look

backward that your changes in regards to the higher vargas don't make

the lower vargas change unacceptably.

6. finally, you should have the birth time narrowed to 2 or 3 minutes

by this method.

7. Now enter the dates of some significant events and see if you will

be able to narrow those 2 or 3 minutes down to the second by using the

sookshmantar and finest scope of vimshottari dasha periods to match

the correct planetary sub-sub-sub-sub periods to those events.

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net