Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?).It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to decipher.(interested to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pranam, So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other problems why? One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru tough time so where is Parents karma here? Please excuse me if I said something wrong. Rick RP --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Dear All, I am a firm believer that if any one suffers, it is due to their own karma and it is nothing to do with anyone else's karma. If one believes karma theory, I don't say any other option. Regards, Krishna --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote: R.P <rdrugist Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:28 PM Pranam,  So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other problems why? One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru tough time so where is Parents karma here? Please excuse me if I said something wrong.  Rick RP --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond  a point for us to decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM > > > > > > > Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Pranam Krishnaji, Yes I m agree with u too. You and Your Karma comes with u. Thanks Rick RP --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:08 AM Dear All, I am a firm believer that if any one suffers, it is due to their own karma and it is nothing to do with anyone else's karma. If one believes karma theory, I don't say any other option. Regards, Krishna --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: R.P <rdrugist > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:28 PM Pranam, So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other problems why? One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru tough time so where is Parents karma here? Please excuse me if I said something wrong. Rick RP --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM > > > > > > > Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Sir, Probably we are into analysing the horoscopes of twins and opined that natal charts give holistic view of destiny of the native. In case of Infants,study of horoscopes normally taken up after they attain some age around 12th.Till that time the conventions/beliefs considered have been told.Even iam not convinced about such things. ultimately for all sufferings(at any stage?) one has to hold himself responsible.Every where we can pass on ........but not in case of sufferings. Pranams vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote: R.P <rdrugist Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:58 AM Pranam, So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other problems why? One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru tough time so where is Parents karma here? Please excuse me if I said something wrong. Rick RP --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 RP --- On Fri, 8/8/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, August 8, 2008, 11:11 AM Sir, Probably we are into analysing the horoscopes of twins and opined that natal charts give holistic view of destiny of the native. In case of Infants,study of horoscopes normally taken up after they attain some age around 12th.Till that time the conventions/ beliefs considered have been told.Even iam not convinced about such things. ultimately for all sufferings(at any stage?) one has to hold himself responsible. Every where we can pass on ........but not in case of sufferings. Pranams vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: R.P <rdrugist > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Friday, August 8, 2008, 10:58 AM Pranam, So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other problems why? One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru tough time so where is Parents karma here? Please excuse me if I said something wrong. Rick RP --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM Dear Vic, Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. But: Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than blind faith in the unknown destiny. So: The saying goes; till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of maother and guided by her karmas from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can understand to know what awaits him? Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the child hororscopically but not to say about his future. This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. regards vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM Dear vrkrishnan Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? - Vic On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > Dear Mr Vic, > Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > stage affects child and sufferings occur. > May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > analysis. > regards > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM Dear vrkrishnan, > > You write: > > ~~~ > > But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > mother. > > ~~~ > > So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > known without reference to the karma of the mother? > > - vic > >> vrkrishnan >> >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: >> >> R.P <rdrugist > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early >> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of >> babies. >> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with >> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. >> >> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India >> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. >> >> Thanks >> >> RP >> >> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> jyotish-vidya >> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM >> >> Dear Rakesh, >> >> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to >> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? >> >> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her >> details again. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya .com >> ____________ _________ _________ _______ >> >> - >> " R.P " <rdrugist > >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> Pranam Wendiji, >> >> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA >> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA >> >> Thanks >> Rakesh >> >> RP >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 All: I agree a Krishna murti. If the mothers chart indicates something about the child the childs chart must also show it. That is my opinion, at least. - Vic On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a firm believer that if any one suffers, it is due to their own > karma and it is nothing to do with anyone else's karma. If one > believes karma theory, I don't say any other option. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote: > R.P <rdrugist > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > jyotish-vidya > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:28 PM > > > > > Pranam, > > > > So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? > So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? > > I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother > is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other > problems why? > > One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his > life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru > tough time so where is Parents karma here? > > > > Please excuse me if I said something wrong. > > > > Rick > > > > RP > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > Dear Vic, > > Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to > know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates > likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. > > But: > > Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the > way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively > about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic > views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to > decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) > > probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will > to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than > blind faith in the unknown destiny. > > So: > > The saying goes; > > till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of > maother and guided by her karmas > > from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. > > once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring > Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others > it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own > features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can > understand to know what awaits him? > > Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the > child hororscopically but not to say about his future. > > This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. > > Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of > past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and > present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. > > regards > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM > > > > Dear vrkrishnan > > > > Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be > > attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for > > the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be > > able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? > > > > - Vic > > > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Mr Vic, > >> Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > >> avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > >> I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > >> stage affects child and sufferings occur. > >> May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > >> convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > >> analysis. > >> regards > >> vrkrishnan > >> > >> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> > >> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > >> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear vrkrishnan, > >> > >> You write: > >> > >> ~~~ > >> > >> But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > >> life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > >> mother. > >> > >> ~~~ > >> > >> So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > >> known without reference to the karma of the mother? > >> > >> - vic > >> > >>> vrkrishnan > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: > >>> > >>> R.P <rdrugist > > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> jyotish-vidya > >>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Pranam Wendiji, > >>> > >>> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early > >>> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of > >>> babies. > >>> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with > >>> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. > >>> > >>> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India > >>> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> RP > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> jyotish-vidya > >>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM > >>> > >>> Dear Rakesh, > >>> > >>> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned >>> to > >>> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? > >>> > >>> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give >>> her > >>> details again. > >>> > >>> Best Wishes, > >>> Mrs. Wendy > >>> http://JyotishVidya .com > >>> ____________ _________ _________ _______ > >>> > >>> - > >>> " R.P " <rdrugist > > >>> <jyotish-vidya> > >>> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> > >>> Pranam Wendiji, > >>> > >>> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA > >>> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Rakesh > >>> > >>> RP > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Dear Vic, You are perfectly correct. Some people are of the opinion that a new born baby or a newly wedded bride bring luck/bad luck to the family. However, even if their horoscope indicates such an event, it is not they are causing it, their horoscope indicates that they would be joining such a family. For example, if an infant's chart indicates early death of father, it means that the infant is destined to grow up with out father. And, such an infant would be born to an individual who would have short span of life himself. Hence, our relatives chart can only be used as a thermometer and no more. A thermometer only shows fever (if there is any) and does not cause it! Regards, Krishna --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 12:43 AM All: I agree a Krishna murti. If the mothers chart indicates something about the child the childs chart must also show it. That is my opinion, at least. - Vic On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a firm believer that if any one suffers, it is due to their own > karma and it is nothing to do with anyone else's karma. If one > believes karma theory, I don't say any other option. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: > R.P <rdrugist > > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > jyotish-vidya > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:28 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? > So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's karma? > > I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother > is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other > problems why? > > One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his > life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru > tough time so where is Parents karma here? > > > > Please excuse me if I said something wrong. > > > > Rick > > > > RP > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM > > > > Dear Vic, > > Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to > know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates > likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. > > But: > > Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the > way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively > about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic > views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to > decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) > > probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will > to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than > blind faith in the unknown destiny. > > So: > > The saying goes; > > till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of > maother and guided by her karmas > > from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. > > once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring > Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others > it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own > features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can > understand to know what awaits him? > > Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the > child hororscopically but not to say about his future. > > This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. > > Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of > past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and > present if linked with the parents may lead to a better understanding. > > regards > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM > > > > Dear vrkrishnan > > > > Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be > > attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage for > > the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be > > able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? > > > > - Vic > > > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Mr Vic, > >> Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > >> avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th. > >> I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > >> stage affects child and sufferings occur. > >> May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > >> convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > >> analysis. > >> regards > >> vrkrishnan > >> > >> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> > >> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > >> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear vrkrishnan, > >> > >> You write: > >> > >> ~~~ > >> > >> But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > >> life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of > >> mother. > >> > >> ~~~ > >> > >> So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > >> known without reference to the karma of the mother? > >> > >> - vic > >> > >>> vrkrishnan > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: > >>> > >>> R.P <rdrugist > > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> jyotish-vidya > >>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Pranam Wendiji, > >>> > >>> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early > >>> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of > >>> babies. > >>> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with > >>> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. > >>> > >>> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India > >>> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> RP > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> jyotish-vidya > >>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM > >>> > >>> Dear Rakesh, > >>> > >>> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned >>> to > >>> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? > >>> > >>> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give >>> her > >>> details again. > >>> > >>> Best Wishes, > >>> Mrs. Wendy > >>> http://JyotishVidya .com > >>> ____________ _________ _________ _______ > >>> > >>> - > >>> " R.P " <rdrugist > > >>> <jyotish-vidya> > >>> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >>> > >>> Pranam Wendiji, > >>> > >>> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA > >>> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Rakesh > >>> > >>> RP > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Well said, Krishna Ji. - Vic On Aug 8, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote: > Dear Vic, > > You are perfectly correct. Some people are of the opinion that a new > born baby or a newly wedded bride bring luck/bad luck to the family. > However, even if their horoscope indicates such an event, it is not > they are causing it, their horoscope indicates that they would be > joining such a family. For example, if an infant's chart indicates > early death of father, it means that the infant is destined to grow > up with out father. And, such an infant would be born to an > individual who would have short span of life himself. Hence, our > relatives chart can only be used as a thermometer and no more. A > thermometer only shows fever (if there is any) and does not cause it! > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- On Sat, 9/8/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > Vic D <vicdicara > Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > > Saturday, 9 August, 2008, 12:43 AM > > > > > All: > > > > I agree a Krishna murti. If the mothers chart indicates something > > about the child the childs chart must also show it. That is my > > opinion, at least. > > > > - Vic > > > > On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > > >> wrote: > > > >> Dear All, > >> > >> I am a firm believer that if any one suffers, it is due to their own > >> karma and it is nothing to do with anyone else's karma. If one > >> believes karma theory, I don't say any other option. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Krishna > >> > >> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: > >> R.P <rdrugist > > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> jyotish-vidya > >> Friday, 8 August, 2008, 8:28 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Pranam, > >> > >> > >> > >> So let me ask u if new born till 5yrs old deped on mother's karma ? > >> So new born suffering from cancer or deadly discease then who's >> karma? > >> > >> I can give u many example of mother in our Hindu History then mother > >> is very religious but child is going thru horoable health and other > >> problems why? > >> > >> One example of Narshih Mehta u know the enitre storey about his > >> life. His wife and him totaly devotees but their child went thru > >> tough time so where is Parents karma here? > >> > >> > >> > >> Please excuse me if I said something wrong. > >> > >> > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> > >> > >> RP > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > >> > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >> jyotish-vidya > >> > >> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:09 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Vic, > >> > >> Any One's chart is a holistic plan of Almighty(?). It enables to > >> know about the native be it his kith and kin and his associates > >> likely to join with him for promoting his ideals. > >> > >> But: > >> > >> Iam not clear why a very thin lines(beyond one'e logic) come in the > >> way to approach in a more determined way to know more conclusively > >> about the fate of the person in progression or other way.The karmic > >> views some how I feel that it is difficult beyond a point for us to > >> decipher.(intereste d to make meaning out of lagna charts) > >> > >> probably we may yet times there is lot of scope by way of free will > >> to do things of our choice and rationalise our actions rather than > >> blind faith in the unknown destiny. > >> > >> So: > >> > >> The saying goes; > >> > >> till the age of five child's fate/destiny is in the hands of > >> maother and guided by her karmas > >> > >> from fifth to ten year the child grows out of the karmas of father. > >> > >> once he gets in to the attire of his own by way of his exploring > >> Nature( in earlier day probably " jannevi for a brahmin and for others > >> it is his own way to grow) and tries to learn to shape up his own > >> features.Not that he can change the " course " entirely but can > >> understand to know what awaits him? > >> > >> Normally,I may just draw a chart to christen(suggestion only) the > >> child hororscopically but not to say about his future. > >> > >> This is what we used to get from the great gurus of ICAS. > >> > >> Childs horoscope no doubt independently shall focus on his karmas of > >> past and future but their conclusive impact on a tiny tot's past and > >> present if linked with the parents may lead to a better >> understanding. > >> > >> regards > >> > >> vrkrishnan > >> > >> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > >> > >> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > >> > >> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:39 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear vrkrishnan > >> > >> > >> > >> Very interesting. So in very young age many occurances could be > >> > >> attributable to the parents karma? Since this is a formative stage >> for > >> > >> the rest of the life wouldn't this mean that we would not really be > >> > >> able to read anyones chary without also rearing their parents? > >> > >> > >> > >> - Vic > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:25 PM, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Dear Mr Vic, > >> > >>> Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to > >> > >>> avoid deep study of an infants chart till he attains say around >>> 12th. > >> > >>> I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that > >> > >>> stage affects child and sufferings occur. > >> > >>> May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very > >> > >>> convinced as past karmas of native could also be arrived by closer > >> > >>> analysis. > >> > >>> regards > >> > >>> vrkrishnan > >> > >>> > >> > >>> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > >> > >>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >>> " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya> > >> > >>> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Dear vrkrishnan, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> You write: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ~~~ > >> > >>> > >> > >>> But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of > >> > >>> life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope >>> of > >> > >>> mother. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ~~~ > >> > >>> > >> > >>> So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me > >> > >>> known without reference to the karma of the mother? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - vic > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> vrkrishnan > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> R.P <rdrugist > > >> > >>>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >>>> jyotish-vidya > >> > >>>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Pranam Wendiji, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early > >> > >>>> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue >>>> of > >> > >>>> babies. > >> > >>>> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with > >> > >>>> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India > >> > >>>> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thanks > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> RP > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> >>>> wrote: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> > >> > >>>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >>>> jyotish-vidya > >> > >>>> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Dear Rakesh, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned > >>>> to > >> > >>>> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August?? > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give > >>>> her > >> > >>>> details again. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Best Wishes, > >> > >>>> Mrs. Wendy > >> > >>>> http://JyotishVidya .com > >> > >>>> ____________ _________ _________ _______ > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> - > >> > >>>> " R.P " <rdrugist > > >> > >>>> <jyotish-vidya> > >> > >>>> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM > >> > >>>> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Pranam Wendiji, > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA > >> > >>>> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Thanks > >> > >>>> Rakesh > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> RP > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Members, I know few learned astrologers { Sri L.R. Chawdari} of yester years, who used to see children from a Male chart, for the child is though born to a mother, but the seed comes from male. This is one school of thought and they have their basis in some interpretations of ancient texts. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional charts for predicting progeny ? I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. Aug 2nd 1974 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time Bangalore, India Regards, Jai sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008 5:15:20 AM Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? Dear Members, I know few learned astrologers { Sri L.R. Chawdari} of yester years, who used to see children from a Male chart, for the child is though born to a mother, but the seed comes from male. This is one school of thought and they have their basis in some interpretations of ancient texts. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Jai, Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you more than the occupants of the 5th. Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not > married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and > a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at > my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any > planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional > charts for predicting progeny ? > I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. > Aug 2nd 1974 > 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time > Bangalore, India > > Regards, > Jai > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Sir, is it not we look into 5th from lagna,moon and sun and find which is strongest and also find placement of lords there in.Aspect of putra karaka is most important also .Basic sare celatly bought out in the recent issue of Astrological issue.Special edition revealing inticacies of putra bahava. vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008, 3:56 PM Jai, Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you more than the occupants of the 5th. Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not > married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and > a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at > my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any > planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional > charts for predicting progeny ? > I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. > Aug 2nd 1974 > 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time > Bangalore, India > > Regards, > Jai > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Jai, and vrKrishnan, Specifics aside, this question can be answered generically so the knowledge can be applied to any house or any topic. If you want to know about a subject you must determine a few things: 1. What planet(s) pertains to the subject 2. What house(s) pertain to the subject 3. What divisional chart(s) pertain to the subject So for children, for example. 1. Jupiter 2. 5th House (which includes it's ruler, dispositor and aspectors and occupants - you may judge " bhavat bhavam " as well... that is: the 5th from the moon and perhaps other occurrences of 5ths). 3. 7th Divisional (placement of the Lord of the 5th house of the birth chart, as well as placement in the birth chart of the ruler of the 7th Divisional's ascendant). This is the basic idea of how you determine what factors are of essential import in determining an astrological reading on a specific focus. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:10 PM, vattem krishnan wrote: > Sir, > is it not we look into 5th from lagna,moon and sun and find which is > strongest and also find placement of lords there in.Aspect of putra > karaka is most important also .Basic sare celatly bought out in the > recent issue of Astrological issue.Special edition revealing > inticacies of putra bahava. > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008, 3:56 PM Jai, > > Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your > birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you > more than the occupants of the 5th. > > Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' > divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the > birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >> charts for predicting progeny ? >> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >> Aug 2nd 1974 >> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >> Bangalore, India >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Vic, we also get involved in collateral issues such as to look into male chart or according importance to kshetra sphuta of female also.female horoscopy,some how has a defienete course in nature,yet with only supportive role in the human cycle.In the judgement of putra bahava, charts of parents are considered as equally important.ofcourse we may for the present may not delve in to karmic aspects,though it is the core issue of human beings progression in life vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:20 PM Dear Jai, and vrKrishnan, Specifics aside, this question can be answered generically so the knowledge can be applied to any house or any topic. If you want to know about a subject you must determine a few things: 1. What planet(s) pertains to the subject 2. What house(s) pertain to the subject 3. What divisional chart(s) pertain to the subject So for children, for example. 1. Jupiter 2. 5th House (which includes it's ruler, dispositor and aspectors and occupants - you may judge " bhavat bhavam " as well... that is: the 5th from the moon and perhaps other occurrences of 5ths). 3. 7th Divisional (placement of the Lord of the 5th house of the birth chart, as well as placement in the birth chart of the ruler of the 7th Divisional's ascendant). This is the basic idea of how you determine what factors are of essential import in determining an astrological reading on a specific focus. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 6:10 PM, vattem krishnan wrote: > Sir, > is it not we look into 5th from lagna,moon and sun and find which is > strongest and also find placement of lords there in.Aspect of putra > karaka is most important also .Basic sare celatly bought out in the > recent issue of Astrological issue.Special edition revealing > inticacies of putra bahava. > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008, 3:56 PM Jai, > > Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your > birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you > more than the occupants of the 5th. > > Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' > divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the > birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >> charts for predicting progeny ? >> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >> Aug 2nd 1974 >> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >> Bangalore, India >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Krishnan, > In the judgement of putra bahava, charts of parents are considered > as equally important.ofcourse we may for the present may not delve > in to karmic aspects,though it is the core issue of human beings > progression in life So by " Putra Bhava " you are referring not specifically to the 5th House, but to the " Nature of the Child " ? And thus you are saying that to determine the nature of the child one must consider the nature of the parents, Correct? I agree with you on psychological terms, but not on astrological grounds. Here is an example: My mother's chart shows that religion is the greatest enemy of her son. Indeed this is how SHE perceives me. Due to religion I renounced my relationship with my dear-most mother for almost a decade and lived a mendicant's life, during which time my mother suffered horribly. However, my chart shows that religion is my greatest companion and blessing. What you can see from my mother's chart is HER EXPERIENCE of her son (or her mother or her father, etc). But you cannot actually see the karma of her son, (mother, father, etc.) per se. In the horoscope of her son, conversely you will see HIS EXPERIENCE of his mother - but not her actual karma. Thus if a mother's chart indicates miscarriage it is not SHE who kills the child. Did Ganga Mayi kill her seven children, or was that THEIR OWN BUSINESS??? No, if a mother's chart indicates that one of the children will die, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN to any child whose chart does not show it. And if none of her children's chart show it, ever, then you should understand that she has escaped misery by the causeless grace of Bhagavan. Or, that a similar EMOTIONAL form of the experience may manifest on the astral level. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Vic, Lord of 5th (Mesha ) is Mangal. He is placed in 9th from Lagna in Leo. Mangal does not have any company in that house. Mangal is aspected by retro Jupiter who himself is in 3rd ( by 7th aspect ). Thats all I can read. Regards, Jai Vic D <vicdicara jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008 2:56:33 PM Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? Jai, Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you more than the occupants of the 5th. Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not > married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and > a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at > my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any > planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional > charts for predicting progeny ? > I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. > Aug 2nd 1974 > 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time > Bangalore, India > > Regards, > Jai > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Jai, Well, I am EXTREMELY busy at the moment. But on the basis of what you said, the lord of the 5th house (children) is in the fortunate 9th house aspected by the significator of children, Jupiter. That does seem to be good for children doesn't it? Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > Dear Vic, > Lord of 5th (Mesha ) is Mangal. He is placed in 9th from Lagna in > Leo. Mangal does not have any company in that house. Mangal is > aspected by retro Jupiter who himself is in 3rd ( by 7th aspect ). > Thats all I can read. > > Regards, > Jai > > > > > Vic D <vicdicara > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008 2:56:33 PM > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > > Jai, > > Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your > birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you > more than the occupants of the 5th. > > Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' > divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the > birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >> charts for predicting progeny ? >> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >> Aug 2nd 1974 >> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >> Bangalore, India >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Vic, Oh1 it is really great of you to put those astrological consideration in a very impressive and poignant way.Also in a very short time you have expressed and analysed issues. I will be trying to understand these aspects very closely further in the manner you have explained. Thanx vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:22 PM Dear Krishnan, > In the judgement of putra bahava, charts of parents are considered > as equally important.ofcourse we may for the present may not delve > in to karmic aspects,though it is the core issue of human beings > progression in life So by " Putra Bhava " you are referring not specifically to the 5th House, but to the " Nature of the Child " ? And thus you are saying that to determine the nature of the child one must consider the nature of the parents, Correct? I agree with you on psychological terms, but not on astrological grounds. Here is an example: My mother's chart shows that religion is the greatest enemy of her son. Indeed this is how SHE perceives me. Due to religion I renounced my relationship with my dear-most mother for almost a decade and lived a mendicant's life, during which time my mother suffered horribly. However, my chart shows that religion is my greatest companion and blessing. What you can see from my mother's chart is HER EXPERIENCE of her son (or her mother or her father, etc). But you cannot actually see the karma of her son, (mother, father, etc.) per se. In the horoscope of her son, conversely you will see HIS EXPERIENCE of his mother - but not her actual karma. Thus if a mother's chart indicates miscarriage it is not SHE who kills the child. Did Ganga Mayi kill her seven children, or was that THEIR OWN BUSINESS??? No, if a mother's chart indicates that one of the children will die, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN to any child whose chart does not show it. And if none of her children's chart show it, ever, then you should understand that she has escaped misery by the causeless grace of Bhagavan. Or, that a similar EMOTIONAL form of the experience may manifest on the astral level. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Thanks for your quick response Vic.I was looking at 5th house very differently than you saw. Please help me understand when you get a chance. 5th Lord Mangal a natural malefic is in 9th. Also note that Shani Maharaj another great malefic sitting in the 7th house who happens to be lords of 2nd and 3rd is aspecting 9th ( by 3rd aspect ). So the only saving grace is Guru aspecting 9th house ( Simha ) owned by his friend Surya and occupied by another friend Mangal ? Is Mangal *bad* for the house he occupies and aspects ? Thanks and regards, Jai Vic D <vicdicara jyotish-vidya Monday, August 11, 2008 9:32:28 PM Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? Dear Jai, Well, I am EXTREMELY busy at the moment. But on the basis of what you said, the lord of the 5th house (children) is in the fortunate 9th house aspected by the significator of children, Jupiter. That does seem to be good for children doesn't it? Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicast rologer.net On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > Dear Vic, > Lord of 5th (Mesha ) is Mangal. He is placed in 9th from Lagna in > Leo. Mangal does not have any company in that house. Mangal is > aspected by retro Jupiter who himself is in 3rd ( by 7th aspect ). > Thats all I can read. > > Regards, > Jai > > > > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008 2:56:33 PM > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > > Jai, > > Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your > birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you > more than the occupants of the 5th. > > Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' > divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the > birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >> charts for predicting progeny ? >> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >> Aug 2nd 1974 >> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >> Bangalore, India >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear Jai, Very Very busy, but here are some thoughts: You must be Sagittarius Rising. So Mars owns the 5th and 12th. The 5th will more strongly color his nature. " Malefic " is an interesting word. It is not that malefic planets are " bad " they are just rough. But a planet would not be bad towards the houses it owns under any circumstance. So Mars is the owner of the 5th and occupies the 9th. First look up that Lordship yoga in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra (available in the library on www.jyotish-vidya.com). Next consider that the owner of the 5th is aspected by the owner of the chart, ascendant lord Jupiter, who naturally signifies children and is highly soft and gentle. So your 5th house is blessed in so many ways. Shani-ji / Saturn can cause some difficulties to the marriage by detatchment, distance and coldness. As for his influence on the 5th Lord, Mars, take note of their degrees. How close are they by degree? > Is Mangal *bad* for the house he occupies and aspects ? That is overly simplistic. It is far too general. If Mars owns the 5th and is placed in a trine like the 9th then his placement amplifies the strength of the 5th house greatly. If additionally he gets the aspect of the natural representative of the 5th House, Jupiter, then his 5th house is even further strengthened. IMO, the astrologer you visited 4 years ago was moving in this line of thought towards his prediction. Mars brings energy to the house he occupies and aspects. Its up to you as the astrologer to see in which ways the energy can be frustrated and lead to argument, strife and violence - and which ways the energy can be attuned and lead to enterprise, adventure and achievement. Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 PS Besides even if Mars in the 9th is bad... it is bad for the significance of the 9th house, the 5th house still flourishes. On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > Thanks for your quick response Vic.I was looking at 5th house very > differently than you saw. Please help me understand when you get a > chance. > 5th Lord Mangal a natural malefic is in 9th. Also note that Shani > Maharaj another great malefic sitting in the 7th house who happens > to be lords of 2nd and 3rd is aspecting 9th ( by 3rd aspect ). So > the only saving grace is Guru aspecting 9th house ( Simha ) owned by > his friend Surya and occupied by another friend Mangal ? Is Mangal > *bad* for the house he occupies and aspects ? > Thanks and regards, > Jai > > > > Vic D <vicdicara > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008 9:32:28 PM > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > > Dear Jai, > > Well, I am EXTREMELY busy at the moment. But on the basis of what you > said, the lord of the 5th house (children) is in the fortunate 9th > house aspected by the significator of children, Jupiter. That does > seem to be good for children doesn't it? > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> Dear Vic, >> Lord of 5th (Mesha ) is Mangal. He is placed in 9th from Lagna in >> Leo. Mangal does not have any company in that house. Mangal is >> aspected by retro Jupiter who himself is in 3rd ( by 7th aspect ). >> Thats all I can read. >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> >> >> >> >> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> >> jyotish-vidya >> Monday, August 11, 2008 2:56:33 PM >> Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> >> Jai, >> >> Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your >> birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you >> more than the occupants of the 5th. >> >> Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' >> divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the >> birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. >> >> Yours, >> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor >> http://www.vedicast rologer.net >> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: >> >>> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >>> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >>> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >>> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >>> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >>> charts for predicting progeny ? >>> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >>> Aug 2nd 1974 >>> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >>> Bangalore, India >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jai >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Mr Jai To know about progeny we have to calculate Beeja Sphuta and kshetra Sphuta in addition to Santana Thithi. The fifth house, the fifth lord also play a role in predicting progeny. savithri --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote: Vic D <vicdicara Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? jyotish-vidya Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 1:10 AM PS Besides even if Mars in the 9th is bad... it is bad for the significance of the 9th house, the 5th house still flourishes. On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:56 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > Thanks for your quick response Vic.I was looking at 5th house very > differently than you saw. Please help me understand when you get a > chance. > 5th Lord Mangal a natural malefic is in 9th. Also note that Shani > Maharaj another great malefic sitting in the 7th house who happens > to be lords of 2nd and 3rd is aspecting 9th ( by 3rd aspect ). So > the only saving grace is Guru aspecting 9th house ( Simha ) owned by > his friend Surya and occupied by another friend Mangal ? Is Mangal > *bad* for the house he occupies and aspects ? > Thanks and regards, > Jai > > > > Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > jyotish-vidya > Monday, August 11, 2008 9:32:28 PM > Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? > > > Dear Jai, > > Well, I am EXTREMELY busy at the moment. But on the basis of what you > said, the lord of the 5th house (children) is in the fortunate 9th > house aspected by the significator of children, Jupiter. That does > seem to be good for children doesn't it? > > Yours, > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor > http://www.vedicast rologer.net > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Jai Dixit wrote: > >> Dear Vic, >> Lord of 5th (Mesha ) is Mangal. He is placed in 9th from Lagna in >> Leo. Mangal does not have any company in that house. Mangal is >> aspected by retro Jupiter who himself is in 3rd ( by 7th aspect ). >> Thats all I can read. >> >> Regards, >> Jai >> >> >> >> >> Vic D <vicdicara (AT) gmail (DOT) com> >> jyotish-vidya >> Monday, August 11, 2008 2:56:33 PM >> Re: Re: Fortune of twins should be the same? >> >> >> Jai, >> >> Who is the lord of your 5th House? Where is he or she placed in your >> birthchart and who aspects / conjoins him or her? This will tell you >> more than the occupants of the 5th. >> >> Additionally look at the position of this planet in the childrens' >> divisional (the number escapes me at the moment) and look for the >> birthchart placement of the ascendant ruler of that divisional. >> >> Yours, >> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor >> http://www.vedicast rologer.net >> >> On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Jai Dixit wrote: >> >>> When I had consulted an astrologer in India 4 years ago ( I was not >>> married at that time ) he had predicted that I will father a boy and >>> a girl. As of now we only have a 9 month baby girl . When I look at >>> my chart the 5th house is neither occupied nor aspected by any >>> planet. How do we interpret this ? Should we look at the divisional >>> charts for predicting progeny ? >>> I'm still a neophyte. So please don't mind my basic/silly questions. >>> Aug 2nd 1974 >>> 5:00 PM Indian Standard Time >>> Bangalore, India >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jai >>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Savithri, > To know about progeny we have to calculate Beeja Sphuta and kshetra > Sphuta in addition to Santana Thithi. The fifth house, the fifth > lord also play a role in predicting progeny. Seed, egg, and timing... these are techniques developed by Mantreshwar to determine fertility, or really, to counter infertility. The idea is simple, and almost gynecological. The seed (beeja) or sperm must be able to bear fruit, the egg (kshetra, or womb) from the ovary must be able to bear fruit, and the time (tithi) must be appropriate in the ovulation cycle. With these there, we can have successful conceptions You get the position of Beeja Sphuta by adding the man's longitudes of Sun, Venus and Jupiter. Check the sign that this sum falls into in both the birth chart and the ninth division. Female signs are fertile, male signs are infertile. Two female signs is excellent. Male and female is mediocre. Two male signs is bad for the fertility of the sperm. You get the position of the Kshetra Sphuta by adding the woman's longitudes of Jupiter, Moon and Mars. Follow the same rules as above for determining her fertility. Now, for the tithi... multiply the longitude of the sun by 5. do the same for the longitude of the moon. Then subtract the suns multiplied longitude from the moon's. Convert this number into a sign, degree and minute. Divide that by twelve and add one. The number that you have is the day number of best conception on the lunar calendar. 2 = the second day of the lunar cycle, etc. numbers greater than 15 represent the waxing fortnight. Remainders greater than 6 fall in the second portion of the tithi. To be honest I have a fair share of skepticism about this technique. Has anyone actually used it? What have been the results? Yours, Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor http://www.vedicastrologer.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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