Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Parivartana Yogas " Jyotish-Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:05 AM Dear Phani, ///No ! i have not known these types, else i would not have asked. :)/// My mistake, I assumed you were simply seeking my opinion on a topic you had some knowledge of. Ahhh! the pitfalls of assumptions. Dainya-Parivartana Yoga occurs when there is an exchange between a dusthana lord (6,8,12) and a non-dusthana lord. Khala-Parivartana Yoga occurs when the 3rd lord interchanges with a non-dusthana lord. Maha-Parivartana Yoga occurs when there is an exchange between any two of the following lords 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,11. You can read more in Phaladeepika Ch.6: 32... Phaladeepika can be downloaded here http://jyotishvidya .com/books. htm Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " Phani " <phani86 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:21 PM Re: Purpose of this group Dear Mrs Wendy, / Absolutely! Consider dainya-parivartana yoga, khala-parivartana yoga and maha-parivartana yoga... But I'm sure you/re familiar with this already? No ! i have not known these types, else i would not have asked. Would be great if you take up this topic, and go through the questions one at a time.... thank you !! phani -- I'm bunking my judgement day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear VK, I'm not exactly sure of your point? I think you're saying that parivartana yoga applies only when there's an exchange between 1st, 5th, 9th lords? Is this what you're saying? My understanding is that Dainya (misery/wretchedness/affliction) yoga, Khala (mischievousness/cruel) yoga and Maha (great/abundant) yoga are all parivartana yogas. Understandably, the exchange between lagna lord and other lords imprints the personality regardless of dasa. Whereas exchanges not involving lagna would fructify fully during relevant dasa periods. Is this your understanding? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:14 PM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear firends, While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may be of interest...Sambandha..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have a planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or closely-knit??. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They work in unison...sort of. Understandably,When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this connection. Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do its samkraman onto Kumbha? In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular),any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara...imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. Warm rgds V V R 18-01-09. I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:16 PM Dear VK, I'm not exactly sure of your point? I think you're saying that parivartana yoga applies only when there's an exchange between 1st, 5th, 9th lords? Is this what you're saying? My understanding is that Dainya (misery/wretchednes s/affliction) yoga, Khala (mischievousness/ cruel) yoga and Maha (great/abundant) yoga are all parivartana yogas. Understandably, the exchange between lagna lord and other lords imprints the personality regardless of dasa. Whereas exchanges not involving lagna would fructify fully during relevant dasa periods. Is this your understanding? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:14 PM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy / group members, I hope to share my views on the topic. If I am wrong, please do correct me :-). IMO, 1) A Maha parivarthana between 1,5,9 houses lifts an individual in a spiritual plane and the effects of Maha yoga involving other houses are mainly felt on a material plane. As an example you may take my chart ( yoga b/w 1st and 5th). Last year Jupiter was transiting my 5th house and I had my very first spiritual experience. But in the case of a parivarthana involving 2nd and 9th house usually brings in wealth during its activated state. 2) Kahala yoga in my view gives mixed results. For example, a parivarthana b/w 1 and 3 makes one a bold, independent and hard working person. At the same time, they makes one restless, have poor literary interests as well as poor communicating skills due to an inherent impulsive/ aggressive nature. 3) In Dainya yoga, significations of the kendra/ kona house involved in the yoga suffers while the other house is mostly benefited.But the change as such does not bring any happiness to the individual concerned. For example, in parivathana involving 2nd and 8th house, signification of 2nd house suffers and the 8th house gets benefitted . But this transformation does not yield any happiness to the concerned person. Best Regards, Manasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Shri VVR Ji, it is useful to study atleast once of BVR's 300 combination of yogas.of these some are very populars involved outer planets and others with visionaries taking place from point of lagna or otherwise. Sambandha being a relational aspect,in Astrology/jyotish one has to explore these relationships how panchadha maitri is formrd by planets.signs and house lords.Probably it is the relational aspects that makesjyotish complicated and takes way the ability of prediction.one has to do lot of fathom to come out successfully and predict. Gochara/transit has major say in oredictions.Natal chart do throw light on the trend but never conclusivley.with the planets in natal chart taking position to guide 120 yeras of life cycle it is gochara that results in occurence of events.This conriniuity of effects taking place in life is unending.one has to explore various relationships sambandha.In the process some we find benificial and others detrimental to the native.Can we say that is how navigation of the life beyond once reach. vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 1/18/09, V V R <avmvyh wrote: V V R <avmvyh Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:21 PM Dear firends, While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may be of interest...Sambandha..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have a planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or closely-knit??. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They work in unison...sort of. Understandably,When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this connection. Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do its samkraman onto Kumbha? In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular),any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara...imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. Warm rgds V V R 18-01-09. I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:16 PM Dear VK, I'm not exactly sure of your point? I think you're saying that parivartana yoga applies only when there's an exchange between 1st, 5th, 9th lords? Is this what you're saying? My understanding is that Dainya (misery/wretchednes s/affliction) yoga, Khala (mischievousness/ cruel) yoga and Maha (great/abundant) yoga are all parivartana yogas. Understandably, the exchange between lagna lord and other lords imprints the personality regardless of dasa. Whereas exchanges not involving lagna would fructify fully during relevant dasa periods. Is this your understanding? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:14 PM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Further elaboration made ms2sangeeth in her mail about the forms of parivartana yogas is what I was trying to make out.Indeed a good analysis Thanx vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:46 AM Dear VK, I'm not exactly sure of your point? I think you're saying that parivartana yoga applies only when there's an exchange between 1st, 5th, 9th lords? Is this what you're saying? My understanding is that Dainya (misery/wretchednes s/affliction) yoga, Khala (mischievousness/ cruel) yoga and Maha (great/abundant) yoga are all parivartana yogas. Understandably, the exchange between lagna lord and other lords imprints the personality regardless of dasa. Whereas exchanges not involving lagna would fructify fully during relevant dasa periods. Is this your understanding? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:14 PM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Manasa, Due to a recent computer failure I lost a lot of charts. Yours was one of them. Could you send me your data again? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 19, 2009 6:27 AM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs. Wendy / group members, I hope to share my views on the topic. If I am wrong, please do correct me :-). IMO, 1) A Maha parivarthana between 1,5,9 houses lifts an individual in a spiritual plane and the effects of Maha yoga involving other houses are mainly felt on a material plane. As an example you may take my chart ( yoga b/w 1st and 5th). Last year Jupiter was transiting my 5th house and I had my very first spiritual experience. But in the case of a parivarthana involving 2nd and 9th house usually brings in wealth during its activated state. 2) Kahala yoga in my view gives mixed results. For example, a parivarthana b/w 1 and 3 makes one a bold, independent and hard working person. At the same time, they makes one restless, have poor literary interests as well as poor communicating skills due to an inherent impulsive/ aggressive nature. 3) In Dainya yoga, significations of the kendra/ kona house involved in the yoga suffers while the other house is mostly benefited.But the change as such does not bring any happiness to the individual concerned. For example, in parivathana involving 2nd and 8th house, signification of 2nd house suffers and the 8th house gets benefitted . But this transformation does not yield any happiness to the concerned person. Best Regards, Manasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Yogas involving lords of the houses as parivartana.exchange are understandable.One more aspect probably we are trying to decipher is the quality of the yoga too.To terma them as dainya,khala and maha parivartana yogas. certainly 1,5 and 9 houses for ever are good in jyostish irrespective of signs and lordships.when any parivartana happens these konas/angles,the yoga too must be benificial to the native. Next comes kendras normally known as 1,4,7 and 10,Exchnge/parivartana of these lords depending benific and malefic lords gives second variety of the parivartana yoga. The last category could be malefic houses involving in parivartana yoga amy not be qualitatively good. Finally results arising out ofthese yogas one could experience prominently during dasa .anatar/sukshma of these planets involved in parivartana. Is this correct understanding please vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 10:46 AM Dear VK, I'm not exactly sure of your point? I think you're saying that parivartana yoga applies only when there's an exchange between 1st, 5th, 9th lords? Is this what you're saying? My understanding is that Dainya (misery/wretchednes s/affliction) yoga, Khala (mischievousness/ cruel) yoga and Maha (great/abundant) yoga are all parivartana yogas. Understandably, the exchange between lagna lord and other lords imprints the personality regardless of dasa. Whereas exchanges not involving lagna would fructify fully during relevant dasa periods. Is this your understanding? Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 > <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:14 PM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Parivartana yoga normally gives good impetus only the parivartana involves normallylords 1,5 and 9 houses.But in your clarification taken from Phaladeepika cited other houses too.Normally words dainya ,khalas refer to avasthas of planets to give results during anatar dasas.In a way the clarification adds to verygood understanding of this yoga also. vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear VK, ///Finally results arising out of yogas one could experience prominently during dasa .anatar/sukshma of these planets involved in parivartana. Is this correct understanding please/// Yes and No... The full effect of any yoga comes to fruition during the relevant dasa. However, for instance, the personal attributes of (any) house are an essential part of our make-up (character) which stays with us throughout life, even though this may lay below the surface most of the time...we have many masks :-) But as the old adage goes; " A leopard never changes his spots " I was going to share what Ernst Wilhelm has to say in his book " Vault of the Heavens " . However, tiredness overcame me and I took the easy way out by directing members to the relevant chapter in Phaladeepika. However it's worth sharing what Ernst had to say as he's presented the same information in a more concise and understandable way. I shall attempt now to share this information... " Dainya " means wretchedness, affliction, depressed, miserable. When the 6th, 8th or 12th lord exchanges with another house lord it destroys the effects of the house it interchanges with. The results of the yoga as ascribed by Phaladeepika effect primarily the houses involved not the entire character. The 6th lord creating this yoga indicates debts, obstacles and enmity in respect to the indications of the other house. The 8th lord creating this yoga indicates breaks, death and destruction to the indications of the other house. The 12th lord creating this yoga indicates expenditure on account of, and loss of, the indications of the other house. In the event that a dusthana lord (6,8,12) interchanges with another dusthana lord this is an auspicious yoga known as Vipreet Raja Yoga. This yoga destroys difficulties, gives the capacity to overcome negativity, and causes one to learn and benefit from difficulties. Other planets involved in this yoga, however, suffer. " Khala " means mischievousness or cruel. When the 3rd lord interchanges with other (non-dusthana) lords it creates ups and downs in respect to the other house. The personal and limited will of the 3rd lord creates obstacles and disappointments for itself, as well as having a tendency towards selfishness. Sometimes the self-will is able to push ahead, but it lacks the grace to maintain a positive result. When mistakes are made, or one quits putting energy forth, then things will generally slide. When this yoga is formed, the house the 3rd lord interchanges with will generally be an area where the native exhibits self-centeredness. " Maha " means great, mighty, strong and abundant. When any of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th and 11th lords interchange they create great affluence, as well as support for each other's indications. Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 19, 2009 11:31 AM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Yogas involving lords of the houses as parivartana.exchange are understandable.One more aspect probably we are trying to decipher is the quality of the yoga too.To terma them as dainya,khala and maha parivartana yogas. certainly 1,5 and 9 houses for ever are good in jyostish irrespective of signs and lordships.when any parivartana happens these konas/angles,the yoga too must be benificial to the native. Next comes kendras normally known as 1,4,7 and 10,Exchnge/parivartana of these lords depending benific and malefic lords gives second variety of the parivartana yoga. The last category could be malefic houses involving in parivartana yoga amy not be qualitatively good. Finally results arising out ofthese yogas one could experience prominently during dasa .anatar/sukshma of these planets involved in parivartana. Is this correct understanding please vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear VVR, ///And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular),any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara...imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses./// You're correct in stating the very real effect of transits/gochara. ///I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me./// Your little add on (to your post) is worthwhile emulating. However it's not always possible to appease one's enemies and attempting to do so can often result in even more animosity. Certainly, with lagna lord caught in the grip of 6th house, enemies have had a big impact on my life. Eventually we learn to accept the good with the bad and try to live in accord with righteousness to the best of our ability. Inspiring prayers such as the (following) " Serenity Prayer " of St. Francis is a good example of how we should endeavour to live our lives, regardless of difficulties rising from time to time. " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change The courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. " If you know who you are, then, in spite of what other's might say, that should be enough to sustain through any attack. Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ________________________ - " V V R " <avmvyh <jyotish-vidya > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:21 AM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear firends, While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may be of interest...Sambandha..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have a planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or closely-knit??. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They work in unison...sort of. Understandably,When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this connection. Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do its samkraman onto Kumbha? In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular),any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara...imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. Warm rgds V V R 18-01-09. I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Neat analysis. However this adds one more question in my mind. (especially when there are dual ownership of houses). How does parivartana yoga play when there is exchange between 6th and 8th lords. (6th L in 8th house and 8th L in 6th house), when 8th lord is also Lagna lord and 6th lord is also 3rd lord ,,as in case of Libra ascendant . LL --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:50 PM Dear VVR, ///And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses./// You're correct in stating the very real effect of transits/gochara. ///I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me./// Your little add on (to your post) is worthwhile emulating. However it's not always possible to appease one's enemies and attempting to do so can often result in even more animosity. Certainly, with lagna lord caught in the grip of 6th house, enemies have had a big impact on my life. Eventually we learn to accept the good with the bad and try to live in accord with righteousness to the best of our ability. Inspiring prayers such as the (following) " Serenity Prayer " of St. Francis is a good example of how we should endeavour to live our lives, regardless of difficulties rising from time to time. " God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change The courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. " If you know who you are, then, in spite of what other's might say, that should be enough to sustain through any attack. Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " V V R " <avmvyh > <jyotish-vidya> Monday, January 19, 2009 2:21 AM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear firends, While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may be of interest...Sambandh a..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have a planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or closely-knit? ?. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They work in unison...sort of. Understandably, When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this connection. Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do its samkraman onto Kumbha? In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in the case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. Warm rgds V V R 18-01-09. I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance against me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear all, I am just a beginner, 2 months old to Astrology. So please dont pressume anything about my knowledge. Correct me if i am wrong, @above Libra Lagna - Jupiter 3L + 6L , in Parivaratana with Venus 1L + 8L Benefic in 3L , 6L would show that the native would not have the drive to take aggressive initiative ( 3H ) + the drive to suppress obstacles, enemies ( 6H ). This benefic in a not - so - favourable Parivartana Yoga with 8L shows diseases due to above qualities. Could be native suffering from lack of confidence, fear , any phobia, etc ?? correct me if am wrong.. @all Good to see people contributing. Everyone here agrees PY between (1,5,9), ( 1,2,4,..) are better than those happening between Dusthanas. And PY would be active during their Gochara Transits. Next, How to describe PYs in different divisional charts ? In my Navamsa ( D 9 ) i have all 4 Kendras ( 1, 4, 7, 10 ) forming 2 Parivaratana Yogas. Does that mean too much of Turbulence in Dharmic / marriage life. Moreover D9 is seen as a backdrop for D1. How to explain PY in Div charts - connection to D1. ( this example D9 - D1 link ) thanks, phani On 1/19/09, Larry Lancaster <llancas94536 wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Neat analysis. However this adds one more question in my mind. (especially > when there are dual ownership of houses). How does parivartana yoga play > when there is exchange between 6th and 8th lords. (6th L in 8th house and > 8th L in 6th house), when 8th lord is also Lagna lord and 6th lord is also > 3rd lord ,,as in case of Libra ascendant . > > LL > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: > Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya > Re: Parivartana Yogas > jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:50 PM > > > > > Dear VVR, > > > > ///And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses./// > > > > You're correct in stating the very real effect of transits/gochara. > > > > ///I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me./// > > > > Your little add on (to your post) is worthwhile emulating. However it's not > > always possible to appease one's enemies and attempting to do so can often > > result in even more animosity. Certainly, with lagna lord caught in the grip > > of 6th house, enemies have had a big impact on my life. Eventually we learn > > to accept the good with the bad and try to live in accord with righteousness > > to the best of our ability. Inspiring prayers such as the (following) > > " Serenity Prayer " of St. Francis is a good example of how we should > > endeavour to live our lives, regardless of difficulties rising from time to > > time. > > > > " God, grant me the serenity > > to accept the things I can not change > > The courage to change the things I can > > and the wisdom to know the difference. " > > > > If you know who you are, then, in spite of what other's might say, that > > should be enough to sustain through any attack. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > ____________ _________ ___ > > > > - > > " V V R " <avmvyh > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:21 AM > > Re: Parivartana Yogas > > > > Dear firends, > > While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may > > be of interest...Sambandh a..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have > a > > planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a > > Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or > > closely-knit? ?. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They > > work in unison...sort of. > > Understandably, When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana > > yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this > > connection. > > Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during > > Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in > > Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of > > rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do > > its samkraman onto Kumbha? > > In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into > > operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. > > And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. > > > > Warm rgds > > V V R > > 18-01-09. > > > > I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Wendyji I am a silent reader of this group. I have been reading ur recent posts on exchange of houses, hence got curious to ask u. In my horoscope also I have exchange of house between 9th & 11th house in leo asc. What does this signify. I am just a learner in astrology. Kumar Shenoy ________________________________ Debra Mehren <muttaraphalguni jyotish-vidya Monday, 19 January, 2009 10:09:45 AM RE: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs. Wendy, // When the 3rd lord interchanges with other (non-dusthana) lords it creates ups and downs in respect to the other house.// Does this hold true also for aspects? Say Saturn aspects 3rd Lord Scorpio/Mars and Mars aspects 5th Lord Capricorn/Saturn As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:54 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear VK, ///Finally results arising out of yogas one could experience prominently during dasa .anatar/sukshma of these planets involved in parivartana. Is this correct understanding please/// Yes and No... The full effect of any yoga comes to fruition during the relevant dasa. However, for instance, the personal attributes of (any) house are an essential part of our make-up (character) which stays with us throughout life, even though this may lay below the surface most of the time...we have many masks :-) But as the old adage goes; " A leopard never changes his spots " I was going to share what Ernst Wilhelm has to say in his book " Vault of the Heavens " . However, tiredness overcame me and I took the easy way out by directing members to the relevant chapter in Phaladeepika. However it's worth sharing what Ernst had to say as he's presented the same information in a more concise and understandable way. I shall attempt now to share this information. .. " Dainya " means wretchedness, affliction, depressed, miserable. When the 6th, 8th or 12th lord exchanges with another house lord it destroys the effects of the house it interchanges with. The results of the yoga as ascribed by Phaladeepika effect primarily the houses involved not the entire character. The 6th lord creating this yoga indicates debts, obstacles and enmity in respect to the indications of the other house. The 8th lord creating this yoga indicates breaks, death and destruction to the indications of the other house. The 12th lord creating this yoga indicates expenditure on account of, and loss of, the indications of the other house. In the event that a dusthana lord (6,8,12) interchanges with another dusthana lord this is an auspicious yoga known as Vipreet Raja Yoga. This yoga destroys difficulties, gives the capacity to overcome negativity, and causes one to learn and benefit from difficulties. Other planets involved in this yoga, however, suffer. " Khala " means mischievousness or cruel. When the 3rd lord interchanges with other (non-dusthana) lords it creates ups and downs in respect to the other house. The personal and limited will of the 3rd lord creates obstacles and disappointments for itself, as well as having a tendency towards selfishness. Sometimes the self-will is able to push ahead, but it lacks the grace to maintain a positive result. When mistakes are made, or one quits putting energy forth, then things will generally slide. When this yoga is formed, the house the 3rd lord interchanges with will generally be an area where the native exhibits self-centeredness. " Maha " means great, mighty, strong and abundant. When any of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th and 11th lords interchange they create great affluence, as well as support for each other's indications. Best Wishes, Mrs.Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ____________ _________ ___ - " vattem krishnan " <bursar_99 <bursar_ 99%40.. com> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish- vidya%40gro ups.com> > Monday, January 19, 2009 11:31 AM Re: Parivartana Yogas Dear Mrs Wendy, Yogas involving lords of the houses as parivartana. exchange are understandable. One more aspect probably we are trying to decipher is the quality of the yoga too..To terma them as dainya,khala and maha parivartana yogas. certainly 1,5 and 9 houses for ever are good in jyostish irrespective of signs and lordships.when any parivartana happens these konas/angles, the yoga too must be benificial to the native. Next comes kendras normally known as 1,4,7 and 10,Exchnge/parivart ana of these lords depending benific and malefic lords gives second variety of the parivartana yoga. The last category could be malefic houses involving in parivartana yoga amy not be qualitatively good. Finally results arising out ofthese yogas one could experience prominently during dasa .anatar/sukshma of these planets involved in parivartana. Is this correct understanding please vrkrishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Here is my birth data: Dec 21, 1979 cochin, India. Time: 22:20 Best Regards, Manasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hii all I am generally told parivartana between vishnusthanas(1,4,7,10) and lakshmistanas(1,5,9) are Rajayogas. parivartanas between dusthanas are kind of good for spiritual progress. like lord 6th ,8th and 12th in these houses. I am June18,1986 ,9 00 pm ,Palghat ,Kerala. I have a parivartana between 7th and 10th lords. also I have another subtle parivartana between lord of 10th from lagna and lord of 10th from chandralagna maybe any comments can be made..... wat can we say about a person who has Parivartana between lagna and 8th lord.? another statement Indira Gandhi has three parivartana's including 6th and 11th ...so enemies had spoiled her " gains " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Phani, Thx for the thoughts. How does Exalted Venus in Pisces (6th H) due to parivartana change the situation.. I read it a text that planets situated in houses whose lord is exalted will also benefits from it (Dispositor exalted theory) LL --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Phani <phani86 wrote: Phani <phani86 Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Sunday, January 18, 2009, 11:02 PM Dear all, I am just a beginner, 2 months old to Astrology. So please dont pressume anything about my knowledge. Correct me if i am wrong, @above Libra Lagna - Jupiter 3L + 6L , in Parivaratana with Venus 1L + 8L Benefic in 3L , 6L would show that the native would not have the drive to take aggressive initiative ( 3H ) + the drive to suppress obstacles, enemies ( 6H ). This benefic in a not - so - favourable Parivartana Yoga with 8L shows diseases due to above qualities. Could be native suffering from lack of confidence, fear , any phobia, etc ?? correct me if am wrong.. @all Good to see people contributing. Everyone here agrees PY between (1,5,9), ( 1,2,4,..) are better than those happening between Dusthanas. And PY would be active during their Gochara Transits. Next, How to describe PYs in different divisional charts ? In my Navamsa ( D 9 ) i have all 4 Kendras ( 1, 4, 7, 10 ) forming 2 Parivaratana Yogas. Does that mean too much of Turbulence in Dharmic / marriage life. Moreover D9 is seen as a backdrop for D1. How to explain PY in Div charts - connection to D1. ( this example D9 - D1 link ) thanks, phani On 1/19/09, Larry Lancaster <llancas94536@ > wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Neat analysis. However this adds one more question in my mind. (especially > when there are dual ownership of houses). How does parivartana yoga play > when there is exchange between 6th and 8th lords. (6th L in 8th house and > 8th L in 6th house), when 8th lord is also Lagna lord and 6th lord is also > 3rd lord ,,as in case of Libra ascendant . > > LL > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: > Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> > Re: Parivartana Yogas > jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VVR, > > > > ///And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses./// > > > > You're correct in stating the very real effect of transits/gochara. > > > > ///I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me./// > > > > Your little add on (to your post) is worthwhile emulating. However it's not > > always possible to appease one's enemies and attempting to do so can often > > result in even more animosity. Certainly, with lagna lord caught in the grip > > of 6th house, enemies have had a big impact on my life. Eventually we learn > > to accept the good with the bad and try to live in accord with righteousness > > to the best of our ability. Inspiring prayers such as the (following) > > " Serenity Prayer " of St. Francis is a good example of how we should > > endeavour to live our lives, regardless of difficulties rising from time to > > time. > > > > " God, grant me the serenity > > to accept the things I can not change > > The courage to change the things I can > > and the wisdom to know the difference. " > > > > If you know who you are, then, in spite of what other's might say, that > > should be enough to sustain through any attack. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > ____________ _________ ___ > > > > - > > " V V R " <avmvyh > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:21 AM > > Re: Parivartana Yogas > > > > Dear firends, > > While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may > > be of interest...Sambandh a..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have > a > > planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a > > Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or > > closely-knit? ?. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They > > work in unison...sort of. > > Understandably, When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana > > yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this > > connection. > > Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during > > Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in > > Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of > > rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do > > its samkraman onto Kumbha? > > In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into > > operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. > > And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. > > > > Warm rgds > > V V R > > 18-01-09. > > > > I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hi LL, Libra Lagna - Venus in Pisces 6H exalted, in PY with Jupiter 3L + 6 L The way i see it - Venus is coming back from Exalted Sign - to own Sign. Both are benefics involved, But Ju + Ve are enemical originally, so i would say, In general native wont have arguements with Siblings ( 3L ), but in case minor tiffs do happen, there is a good chance that Siblings might have a slight edge over the native. comments are welcome... phani -- I'm bunking my judgement day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, Long Live.God bless you for the wonderful ciatation " God, grant me the serenity > > to accept the things I can not change > > The courage to change the things I can > > and the wisdom to know the difference. " vrkrishnan --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Phani <phani86 wrote: Phani <phani86 Re: Parivartana Yogas jyotish-vidya Monday, January 19, 2009, 2:02 AM Dear all, I am just a beginner, 2 months old to Astrology. So please dont pressume anything about my knowledge. Correct me if i am wrong, @above Libra Lagna - Jupiter 3L + 6L , in Parivaratana with Venus 1L + 8L Benefic in 3L , 6L would show that the native would not have the drive to take aggressive initiative ( 3H ) + the drive to suppress obstacles, enemies ( 6H ). This benefic in a not - so - favourable Parivartana Yoga with 8L shows diseases due to above qualities. Could be native suffering from lack of confidence, fear , any phobia, etc ?? correct me if am wrong.. @all Good to see people contributing. Everyone here agrees PY between (1,5,9), ( 1,2,4,..) are better than those happening between Dusthanas. And PY would be active during their Gochara Transits. Next, How to describe PYs in different divisional charts ? In my Navamsa ( D 9 ) i have all 4 Kendras ( 1, 4, 7, 10 ) forming 2 Parivaratana Yogas. Does that mean too much of Turbulence in Dharmic / marriage life. Moreover D9 is seen as a backdrop for D1. How to explain PY in Div charts - connection to D1. ( this example D9 - D1 link ) thanks, phani On 1/19/09, Larry Lancaster <llancas94536@ > wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > Neat analysis. However this adds one more question in my mind. (especially > when there are dual ownership of houses). How does parivartana yoga play > when there is exchange between 6th and 8th lords. (6th L in 8th house and > 8th L in 6th house), when 8th lord is also Lagna lord and 6th lord is also > 3rd lord ,,as in case of Libra ascendant . > > LL > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote: > Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> > Re: Parivartana Yogas > jyotish-vidya > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear VVR, > > > > ///And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses./// > > > > You're correct in stating the very real effect of transits/gochara. > > > > ///I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me./// > > > > Your little add on (to your post) is worthwhile emulating. However it's not > > always possible to appease one's enemies and attempting to do so can often > > result in even more animosity. Certainly, with lagna lord caught in the grip > > of 6th house, enemies have had a big impact on my life. Eventually we learn > > to accept the good with the bad and try to live in accord with righteousness > > to the best of our ability. Inspiring prayers such as the (following) > > " Serenity Prayer " of St. Francis is a good example of how we should > > endeavour to live our lives, regardless of difficulties rising from time to > > time. > > > > " God, grant me the serenity > > to accept the things I can not change > > The courage to change the things I can > > and the wisdom to know the difference. " > > > > If you know who you are, then, in spite of what other's might say, that > > should be enough to sustain through any attack. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs.Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > ____________ _________ ___ > > > > - > > " V V R " <avmvyh > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Monday, January 19, 2009 2:21 AM > > Re: Parivartana Yogas > > > > Dear firends, > > While at the discussion of Parivartana yogas I thought yet another point may > > be of interest...Sambandh a..or a sort of tie up! As an example,if you have > a > > planet that is in aspect, and in parivartana then you have 2 planets in a > > Sambandha, this means they are completely connected or tied-up or > > closely-knit? ?. This makes these planets connect and operate together. They > > work in unison...sort of. > > Understandably, When entering a dasha of a planet involved in parivartana > > yoga it would simultaneously activate the other planet through this > > connection. > > Taking the thread a little further, how about operation of this yoga during > > Transits too (Gochara).An example of sambandha is Ravi in Kumbha and Sani in > > Simha. Ravi and Simha mutually aspect plus they are in each other¢s sign of > > rulership.This phenomenon is soon to take place isn't it? When Ravi will do > > its samkraman onto Kumbha? > > In short my understanding is this yoga like many others could come into > > operation during transits as well even if the Dasa has not come into play. > > And yes.like in the exchange of Lagana Lord (imprinting the effect on > > personality in particular), any 2 other house lords e.g.3 and 7 ( Like in > the > > case of Lagna in Kumbha, Ravi in Mesha and Mars in Simha) could be also > > operative as Parivartana yoga during or otherwise of > > dasa/Gochara. ..imprinting the charecteristics of 3rd and 7th houses. > > > > Warm rgds > > V V R > > 18-01-09. > > > > I have never gone to sleep with a grievance against anyone. > > And, as far as I could, I have never let anyone go to sleep with a grievance > > against me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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