Your view : Saturn in Roger federer's Birth chart

February 1, 2009

Dear Group,

The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

astrodatabank.

August 8, 1981

Basel, Swizterland

8 :40 am

Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

of the 4th house. Is this correct?

Regards,

Manasa.

P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

accurate.

February 1, 2009

Manasa,

What is the rating given by Astrodatabank for Federer's birth data?

Regards,

Venkat

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

> astrodatabank.

>

> August 8, 1981

> Basel, Swizterland

> 8 :40 am

>

> Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

> rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

> 2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

> Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

> lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

> the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

>

> In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

> undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

> Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

> felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

> back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

> debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

> of the 4th house. Is this correct?

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

> over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

> One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

> accurate.

>

February 1, 2009

Venkatji,

The rating is Accurate (A) though not supported by a birth

certificate. Do you think that the data is wrong?

Regards,

Manasa.

jyotish-vidya , S Venkatraman <svenkat52 wrote:

>

> Manasa,

>

> What is the rating given by Astrodatabank for Federer's birth data?

>

> Regards,

> Venkat

>

> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

> > astrodatabank.

> >

> > August 8, 1981

> > Basel, Swizterland

> > 8 :40 am

> >

> > Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

> > rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

> > 2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

> > Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

> > lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

> > the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> >

> > In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

> > undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

> > Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

> > felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

> > back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

> > debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

> > of the 4th house. Is this correct?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Manasa.

> >

> > P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

> > over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

> > One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

> > accurate.

> >

>

February 1, 2009

Manasaji,

What Astrodatabank itself says about 'A' rating is - " Accurate data as

quoted by the person, kin, friend, or associate " . So I am quite confident

that the data is alright though I would have preferred a 'AA' rating. I will

get back on your query on Federer's chart if I can figure out the answer.

In the mean time a request to you. I am interested in doing a research on

the charts of musicians. So from your database could you please let me have

the birth data of all musicians where the data is rated with either 'AA' or

'A' rating by Astrodatabank? I will be very grateful to you. Many thanks and

regards,

Venakt

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:41 AM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> Venkatji,

>

> The rating is Accurate (A) though not supported by a birth

> certificate. Do you think that the data is wrong?

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, S

> Venkatraman <svenkat52 wrote:

> >

> > Manasa,

> >

> > What is the rating given by Astrodatabank for Federer's birth data?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

> > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

> > > astrodatabank.

> > >

> > > August 8, 1981

> > > Basel, Swizterland

> > > 8 :40 am

> > >

> > > Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

> > > rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

> > > 2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

> > > Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

> > > lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

> > > the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

> > > undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

> > > Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

> > > felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

> > > back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

> > > debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

> > > of the 4th house. Is this correct?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Manasa.

> > >

> > > P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

> > > over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

> > > One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

> > > accurate.

> > >

> >

February 1, 2009

Dear Manasa,

The time of birth looks pretty accurate in my opinion. I tried to rectify it

and have got 8:32:27 as the rectified time. I have still not looked at your

initial question. I will take a look soon.

Regards,

Krishna

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:41 AM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> Venkatji,

>

> The rating is Accurate (A) though not supported by a birth

> certificate. Do you think that the data is wrong?

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, S

> Venkatraman <svenkat52 wrote:

> >

> > Manasa,

> >

> > What is the rating given by Astrodatabank for Federer's birth data?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

> > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

> > > astrodatabank.

> > >

> > > August 8, 1981

> > > Basel, Swizterland

> > > 8 :40 am

> > >

> > > Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

> > > rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

> > > 2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

> > > Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

> > > lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

> > > the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> > >

> > > In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

> > > undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

> > > Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

> > > felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

> > > back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

> > > debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

> > > of the 4th house. Is this correct?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Manasa.

> > >

> > > P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

> > > over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

> > > One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

> > > accurate.

> > >

> >

February 1, 2009

Manasaji,

A very quick reaction:

It is not surprising at all that Federer did so well in Saturn Dasa. Saturn

the lord of the 7th and Mars (Yogakaraka for Leo) lord of 4th and 9th

mutually aspect each other. This is a Raja Yoga. Also in shadbala terms Mars

is the strongest planet and Saturn the second strongest. Saturn is very

closely conjunct with the Lord of the 5th Jupiter. This is also a Raja yoga.

There is also a part Raja yoga between Jupiter and Mars - part because Mars

aspects Jupiter but Jupiter does not aspect Mars. With Saturn involved in

all these Raja Yogas, it is small wonder that he did so well in Saturn Dasa.

Federer began Mercury Dasa in Jan 2008. Mercury in very close to Sun and

thus combust in the 12th house - a dusthana. Mercury is also conjunct Rahu.

Again not at all surprising that Federer's career started going downhill

since Jan 2008. I am doubtful if ever he will get his 14th Grand slam

title.

Regards,

Venkat

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:43 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> The following is the birth data of Roger Federer I found at

> astrodatabank.

>

> August 8, 1981

> Basel, Swizterland

> 8 :40 am

>

> Based on this, Saturn dasa was excellent for his career. In 1998, he

> rose to international fame as world junior champion and in 2003 to

> 2007 period, he won many grand slam titles.My query is this, how did

> Saturn showered beneficial results for him? Saturn is his 6th and 7th

> lord from ascendant (leo) and considered a malefic for those born in

> the ascendant. Also,Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

>

> In his short biography at astro bank, it's mentioned that he had to

> undergo counselling to balance his emotional outbursts at a young age.

> Today after losing the game, he just couldn't hold back his tears.( I

> felt so sorry for him; I hope god gives him the courage to make a come

> back). Moon (27 degrees in libra) is just few degrees away from

> debilitation sign.I believe it's a case where karaka takes over lord

> of the 4th house. Is this correct?

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> P.S. Does anyone have the birth time of Nadal? I found two suggestions

> over the net.I know that he is born on june 3 1986 Manacor spain.

> One for 19:15 hrs and another for 12.00 pm. 12.00 pm seems to be more

> accurate.

>

February 2, 2009

Venkatji,

I still am confused about the whole thing.

1)saturn is a malefic for the ascendant but giving raj yoga for the

person.

2)Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

3)Mars placed in its inimical sign.

4)Saturn Mars aspect is expected to cause depression.

5)Moon approaching it's debilitation sign.

6)Lagna lord placed in 12th house

On a first glance, if I didn't know it's rogers chart, I would have

assumed there is nothing special in this chart.Would you also think

the same way? Perhaps, relating with real life experiences is the

only way to identify the advantageous aspects of a chart.

Regards,

Manasa.

jyotish-vidya , S Venkatraman <svenkat52

wrote:

>

> Manasaji,

>

> A very quick reaction:

>

> It is not surprising at all that Federer did so well in Saturn

Dasa. Saturn

> the lord of the 7th and Mars (Yogakaraka for Leo) lord of 4th and

9th

> mutually aspect each other. This is a Raja Yoga. Also in shadbala

terms Mars

> is the strongest planet and Saturn the second strongest. Saturn is

very

> closely conjunct with the Lord of the 5th Jupiter. This is also a

Raja yoga.

> There is also a part Raja yoga between Jupiter and Mars - part

because Mars

> aspects Jupiter but Jupiter does not aspect Mars. With Saturn

involved in

> all these Raja Yogas, it is small wonder that he did so well in

Saturn Dasa.

>

> Federer began Mercury Dasa in Jan 2008. Mercury in very close to

Sun and

> thus combust in the 12th house - a dusthana. Mercury is also

conjunct Rahu.

> Again not at all surprising that Federer's career started going

downhill

> since Jan 2008. I am doubtful if ever he will get his 14th Grand

slam

> title.

>

> Regards,

> Venkat

>

February 2, 2009

Dear Manasa,

My two cents here...

1. The blemish of Moon approaching the debilitation sign gets nullified as

Moon is involved in a Srinkhala with Venus and Sun. As a result moon gets

connected to its own sign and hence becomes stronger.

2. The same Srinkhala between 3rd, 12th and 1st lords indicate an excellent

co-ordination between hands and legs.

3. Close conjunction of 5th and 6th lords gives rise to a strong Sankha

Yoga, as lord of Lagna is also strong (being involved in a srinkhala). This

bestows all good things in life. Sri B V Raman says that when Sankha Yoga is

present, the sixth lord also becomes beneficial and gives good results in

its periods.

4. It is very interesting to note that just the Saturn Jupiter conjunction

gives rise to three important yogas:

- Raja yoga

- Vipareeta Raja Yoga

- Sankha Yoga

And, they are very closely conjunct making the above yogas pretty strong.

5. Saturn, in addition to the above three yogas is also involved with a Raja

Yoga with Mars as indicated by Venkat. Probably, the strong influence of two

kona lords on Saturn must have countered its blemish of being debilitated in

Navamsha.

6. Both Mars and Mercury are not placed in inimical signs. Taking into

account the compound relationship, Mercury becomes neutral to both of them.

7. As lagna lord is involved in Srinkhala, there is no blemish of being

placed in the 12th house.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Krishna

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> Venkatji,

>

> I still am confused about the whole thing.

>

> 1)saturn is a malefic for the ascendant but giving raj yoga for the

> person.

> 2)Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> 3)Mars placed in its inimical sign.

> 4)Saturn Mars aspect is expected to cause depression.

> 5)Moon approaching it's debilitation sign.

> 6)Lagna lord placed in 12th house

>

> On a first glance, if I didn't know it's rogers chart, I would have

> assumed there is nothing special in this chart.Would you also think

> the same way? Perhaps, relating with real life experiences is the

> only way to identify the advantageous aspects of a chart.

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, S

> Venkatraman <svenkat52

> wrote:

> >

> > Manasaji,

> >

> > A very quick reaction:

> >

> > It is not surprising at all that Federer did so well in Saturn

> Dasa. Saturn

> > the lord of the 7th and Mars (Yogakaraka for Leo) lord of 4th and

> 9th

> > mutually aspect each other. This is a Raja Yoga. Also in shadbala

> terms Mars

> > is the strongest planet and Saturn the second strongest. Saturn is

> very

> > closely conjunct with the Lord of the 5th Jupiter. This is also a

> Raja yoga.

> > There is also a part Raja yoga between Jupiter and Mars - part

> because Mars

> > aspects Jupiter but Jupiter does not aspect Mars. With Saturn

> involved in

> > all these Raja Yogas, it is small wonder that he did so well in

> Saturn Dasa.

> >

> > Federer began Mercury Dasa in Jan 2008. Mercury in very close to

> Sun and

> > thus combust in the 12th house - a dusthana. Mercury is also

> conjunct Rahu.

> > Again not at all surprising that Federer's career started going

> downhill

> > since Jan 2008. I am doubtful if ever he will get his 14th Grand

> slam

> > title.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

>

February 2, 2009

Dear Krishnaji,

Thanks so much for the explanation :-). Could you tell me the meaning

of the word " Srinkhala " ? Does it mean a strong connection ? Also, can

I come to this conclusion that strength of involved planets could mask

the malefic nature regardless of the houses they own?

Regards,

Manasa

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Manasa,

>

> My two cents here...

>

> 1. The blemish of Moon approaching the debilitation sign gets

nullified as

> Moon is involved in a Srinkhala with Venus and Sun. As a result moon

gets

> connected to its own sign and hence becomes stronger.

>

> 2. The same Srinkhala between 3rd, 12th and 1st lords indicate an

excellent

> co-ordination between hands and legs.

>

> 3. Close conjunction of 5th and 6th lords gives rise to a strong Sankha

> Yoga, as lord of Lagna is also strong (being involved in a

srinkhala). This

> bestows all good things in life. Sri B V Raman says that when Sankha

Yoga is

> present, the sixth lord also becomes beneficial and gives good

results in

> its periods.

>

> 4. It is very interesting to note that just the Saturn Jupiter

conjunction

> gives rise to three important yogas:

>

> - Raja yoga

> - Vipareeta Raja Yoga

> - Sankha Yoga

>

> And, they are very closely conjunct making the above yogas pretty

strong.

>

> 5. Saturn, in addition to the above three yogas is also involved

with a Raja

> Yoga with Mars as indicated by Venkat. Probably, the strong

influence of two

> kona lords on Saturn must have countered its blemish of being

debilitated in

> Navamsha.

>

> 6. Both Mars and Mercury are not placed in inimical signs. Taking into

> account the compound relationship, Mercury becomes neutral to both

of them.

>

> 7. As lagna lord is involved in Srinkhala, there is no blemish of being

> placed in the 12th house.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

February 2, 2009

Manasaji,

My views on the points raised by you:

1. I will not consider Saturn to be a malefic for this chart. My reasons -

Since saturn's Moolatrikona sign is Aquarius, he should be considered more

as the lord of the 7th house rather than the lord of 6th house. He is in a

Great Freind's house and very closely conjunct with with the benefic

Jupiter. From Moon, he is a Yogakaraka ruling the 4th and the 5th house. The

Raja yoga gets repeated from the moon sign also though in the dusthana 12th

house.

2. Saturn is indeed debilitated in Navamsa; but being conjunct with Mars in

Aries his Neecha gets cancelled and becomes Neecha Banga Raja yoga.

3. Mercury is no doubt a natural enemy of Mars but in this chart being in

the 2 nd house from Mars, Mercury becomes a temporal frined. Thus overall he

is neutral to Mars.

4. I am sure you have read in some book or the other that Saturn - Mars

aspect is likely to cause depression. But my humble opinion is that such

rules cannot be applied to all charts in the absence of other indications.

5. Moon no doubt is approaching debilitation sign, but the important thing

is it is not in his debilitation sign. Moon is in a friend's house in Rasi

and in Navamsa in the 10th house in a great friend's house. So I don't think

his Moon is weak. It requires tremedous mental strength to win 13 Grand Slam

titles. The lords of the 4th House from lagna and Moon are ars and Saturn

respectively and as we have already discussed both of them are quite strong.

From lagna the 4t house is Scorpio which is aspected by Saturn - the raja

Yoga karaka. Saturn thus as pects both the 4th house and the lord of the 4th

house, Mars. Lord of the 4th house in turn aspects Saturn. This again is an

indication of the combination of tremndous discipline and agression that is

required to make a great champion that Federer is.

6. Lagna in the 12th house may just mean that in his life he has to

undertake very many long distance travels to distant places.

Regards,

Venkat

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

> Venkatji,

>

> I still am confused about the whole thing.

>

> 1)saturn is a malefic for the ascendant but giving raj yoga for the

> person.

> 2)Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> 3)Mars placed in its inimical sign.

> 4)Saturn Mars aspect is expected to cause depression.

> 5)Moon approaching it's debilitation sign.

> 6)Lagna lord placed in 12th house

>

> On a first glance, if I didn't know it's rogers chart, I would have

> assumed there is nothing special in this chart.Would you also think

> the same way? Perhaps, relating with real life experiences is the

> only way to identify the advantageous aspects of a chart.

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, S

> Venkatraman <svenkat52

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Manasaji,

> >

> > A very quick reaction:

> >

> > It is not surprising at all that Federer did so well in Saturn

> Dasa. Saturn

> > the lord of the 7th and Mars (Yogakaraka for Leo) lord of 4th and

> 9th

> > mutually aspect each other. This is a Raja Yoga. Also in shadbala

> terms Mars

> > is the strongest planet and Saturn the second strongest. Saturn is

> very

> > closely conjunct with the Lord of the 5th Jupiter. This is also a

> Raja yoga.

> > There is also a part Raja yoga between Jupiter and Mars - part

> because Mars

> > aspects Jupiter but Jupiter does not aspect Mars. With Saturn

> involved in

> > all these Raja Yogas, it is small wonder that he did so well in

> Saturn Dasa.

> >

> > Federer began Mercury Dasa in Jan 2008. Mercury in very close to

> Sun and

> > thus combust in the 12th house - a dusthana. Mercury is also

> conjunct Rahu.

> > Again not at all surprising that Federer's career started going

> downhill

> > since Jan 2008. I am doubtful if ever he will get his 14th Grand

> slam

> > title.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

>

February 2, 2009

Dear Manasa ji,

Srinkhala in sanskrit literally means 'Chain'. Srinkhala is a special form

of Parivartana when more than 2 planets are involved. In the case of

Federer, Moon is disposited by Venus, Venus is disposited by Sun and Sun is

disposited by Moon thus completing a loop of parivartana. Like in normal

parivartana, where both planets get strongly linked to their own signs, same

happens in Srinkhala also in addition getting a strong bond with the planets

involved. Such planets will have two behaviors, one based on their actual

placement and the other behavior is as if they are placed in their own sign,

which always gives additional strength to them. What I suggested is that the

additional strength they get by virtue of Parivartana/Srinkhala will counter

the effect of being getting closer to the deepest point of debilitation.

I would like to add that this is my own interpretation based on my own

experience and I have not read this from any classics. Hence, it is upto you

to take it or leave it :-)

Regards,

Krishna

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:38 PM, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnaji,

>

> Thanks so much for the explanation :-). Could you tell me the meaning

> of the word " Srinkhala " ? Does it mean a strong connection ? Also, can

> I come to this conclusion that strength of involved planets could mask

> the malefic nature regardless of the houses they own?

>

> Regards,

> Manasa

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>

> <kmurthys58 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manasa,

> >

> > My two cents here...

> >

> > 1. The blemish of Moon approaching the debilitation sign gets

> nullified as

> > Moon is involved in a Srinkhala with Venus and Sun. As a result moon

> gets

> > connected to its own sign and hence becomes stronger.

> >

> > 2. The same Srinkhala between 3rd, 12th and 1st lords indicate an

> excellent

> > co-ordination between hands and legs.

> >

> > 3. Close conjunction of 5th and 6th lords gives rise to a strong Sankha

> > Yoga, as lord of Lagna is also strong (being involved in a

> srinkhala). This

> > bestows all good things in life. Sri B V Raman says that when Sankha

> Yoga is

> > present, the sixth lord also becomes beneficial and gives good

> results in

> > its periods.

> >

> > 4. It is very interesting to note that just the Saturn Jupiter

> conjunction

> > gives rise to three important yogas:

> >

> > - Raja yoga

> > - Vipareeta Raja Yoga

> > - Sankha Yoga

> >

> > And, they are very closely conjunct making the above yogas pretty

> strong.

> >

> > 5. Saturn, in addition to the above three yogas is also involved

> with a Raja

> > Yoga with Mars as indicated by Venkat. Probably, the strong

> influence of two

> > kona lords on Saturn must have countered its blemish of being

> debilitated in

> > Navamsha.

> >

> > 6. Both Mars and Mercury are not placed in inimical signs. Taking into

> > account the compound relationship, Mercury becomes neutral to both

> of them.

> >

> > 7. As lagna lord is involved in Srinkhala, there is no blemish of being

> > placed in the 12th house.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

>

February 2, 2009

Krishnaji,

Can you please explain to me what Srinkhala is? Many thanks and regards,

venkat

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

kmurthys58 wrote:

> Dear Manasa,

>

> My two cents here...

>

> 1. The blemish of Moon approaching the debilitation sign gets nullified as

> Moon is involved in a Srinkhala with Venus and Sun. As a result moon gets

> connected to its own sign and hence becomes stronger.

>

> 2. The same Srinkhala between 3rd, 12th and 1st lords indicate an excellent

> co-ordination between hands and legs.

>

> 3. Close conjunction of 5th and 6th lords gives rise to a strong Sankha

> Yoga, as lord of Lagna is also strong (being involved in a srinkhala). This

> bestows all good things in life. Sri B V Raman says that when Sankha Yoga

> is

> present, the sixth lord also becomes beneficial and gives good results in

> its periods.

>

> 4. It is very interesting to note that just the Saturn Jupiter conjunction

> gives rise to three important yogas:

>

> - Raja yoga

> - Vipareeta Raja Yoga

> - Sankha Yoga

>

> And, they are very closely conjunct making the above yogas pretty strong.

>

> 5. Saturn, in addition to the above three yogas is also involved with a

> Raja

> Yoga with Mars as indicated by Venkat. Probably, the strong influence of

> two

> kona lords on Saturn must have countered its blemish of being debilitated

> in

> Navamsha.

>

> 6. Both Mars and Mercury are not placed in inimical signs. Taking into

> account the compound relationship, Mercury becomes neutral to both of them.

>

> 7. As lagna lord is involved in Srinkhala, there is no blemish of being

> placed in the 12th house.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:28 PM, m2sangeeth

<m2sangeeth<m2sangeeth%40.ca>>

> wrote:

>

> > Venkatji,

> >

> > I still am confused about the whole thing.

> >

> > 1)saturn is a malefic for the ascendant but giving raj yoga for the

> > person.

> > 2)Saturn is debilitated in Navamsa.

> > 3)Mars placed in its inimical sign.

> > 4)Saturn Mars aspect is expected to cause depression.

> > 5)Moon approaching it's debilitation sign.

> > 6)Lagna lord placed in 12th house

> >

> > On a first glance, if I didn't know it's rogers chart, I would have

> > assumed there is nothing special in this chart.Would you also think

> > the same way? Perhaps, relating with real life experiences is the

> > only way to identify the advantageous aspects of a chart.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Manasa.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya

<jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> 40>, S

>

> > Venkatraman <svenkat52

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Manasaji,

> > >

> > > A very quick reaction:

> > >

> > > It is not surprising at all that Federer did so well in Saturn

> > Dasa. Saturn

> > > the lord of the 7th and Mars (Yogakaraka for Leo) lord of 4th and

> > 9th

> > > mutually aspect each other. This is a Raja Yoga. Also in shadbala

> > terms Mars

> > > is the strongest planet and Saturn the second strongest. Saturn is

> > very

> > > closely conjunct with the Lord of the 5th Jupiter. This is also a

> > Raja yoga.

> > > There is also a part Raja yoga between Jupiter and Mars - part

> > because Mars

> > > aspects Jupiter but Jupiter does not aspect Mars. With Saturn

> > involved in

> > > all these Raja Yogas, it is small wonder that he did so well in

> > Saturn Dasa.

> > >

> > > Federer began Mercury Dasa in Jan 2008. Mercury in very close to

> > Sun and

> > > thus combust in the 12th house - a dusthana. Mercury is also

> > conjunct Rahu.

> > > Again not at all surprising that Federer's career started going

> > downhill

> > > since Jan 2008. I am doubtful if ever he will get his 14th Grand

> > slam

> > > title.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Venkat

> > >

> >

>

February 3, 2009

Dear Venkat/Krishna and All,

If I might intrude here...

///Can you please explain to me what Srinkhala is?///

In Federer's chart, Moon occupies sign of Venus whilst Venus' dispositor

(Sun) occupies sign of Moon. This loop (or chain) is known as Srinkhala

Yoga. If I'm not mistaken Srinkhala (basically) means a chain or loop.

Others might correct me if I'm in error, but this is my understanding.

As for the conjunction of SA/JU in his chart, there can be little doubt

of Federer's competitive power (ability to rise above competitors). And,

most certainly, he accrued significant wealth due to this placement of

6th lord...conjunct 5th lord Jupiter in 2nd house of finances. Note also

karaka for 6th (YogaKaraka Mars) aspecting 2nd from 11th house of

'Gains'...etc, etc..

Roger breaking down in tears when he recently lost the 'Australian Open'

is not a unique situation as he's also broken down after winning a major.

Being overwhelmed by his emotions, to such an extent that he's unable to

speak, can be attributed, I feel, to Moon (karaka for 4th) occupying 12th

from 4th...which BTW is its sign of debilitation.

Mercury dasa has seen Roger lose his number 'One' ranking and (again) I

feel he will struggle to regain that position during the dasa of a

combust planet. He's still a gifted player, no doubt, but his ability to

overcome his competitors (almost effortlessly) is no longer the ruling

force in his horoscope.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" S Venkatraman " <svenkat52

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:41 AM

Re: Re: Your view : Saturn in Roger federer's

Birth chart

Krishnaji,

Can you please explain to me what Srinkhala is? Many thanks and regards,

venkat

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February 3, 2009

Dear Krishna,

You Wrote:

///Srinkhala in sanskrit literally means 'Chain'.///

My apologies for not seeing this in your earlier post :-(

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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" Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:40 PM