Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Esteemed members, Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? Regards Aneesha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Dear Aneesha, Your inquiry is about Jaimini principles and techiques and not Prasara. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya wrote: > > Esteemed members, > Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? > Regards > Aneesha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Dear Aneesha, Whether you are inquiry about Jaimini or Parasara techniques, to answer your questions properly a natal birth information is needed to assess the chart accurately. As you have pointed out here a planet can act favorably or not. Only a proper look at a chart can discern this. If you are interested in having your inquiry answered about the quality of marriage with Parasara techniques please do let us know. As Always, Uttara p.s. Jaimini does hold its own value in interpretation but it is a different system from Parasara. Mixing Jaimini with Parasara only leads too confusion and often muddy interpretation. jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya wrote: > > Esteemed members, > Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? > Regards > Aneesha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Dear Uttara I realsie my error in posing a query based on Jaimini principles in a Parasara forum!..Yet, I would like a view of the Parasara interpretation---And conotations of ketu in 10th bhava.. My chart details- DOB-12-07-1980, 00.07hrs, Berhampur,India. Sincere thanks for your consideration! Regards Aneesha In jyotish-vidya , " muttaraphalguni " <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Aneesha, > > Whether you are inquiry about Jaimini or Parasara techniques, to answer your questions properly a natal birth information is needed to assess the chart accurately. As you have pointed out here a planet can act favorably or not. Only a proper look at a chart can discern this. > > If you are interested in having your inquiry answered about the quality of marriage with Parasara techniques please do let us know. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > p.s. Jaimini does hold its own value in interpretation but it is a different system from Parasara. Mixing Jaimini with Parasara only leads too confusion and often muddy interpretation. > > > jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya@> wrote: > > > > Esteemed members, > > Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? > > Regards > > Aneesha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Dear Aneesha, To save time and (importantly) energy, I recommend you read through the following article carefully. This article expresses my views precisely. http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/JaiminiBasics.htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:27 PM Uppada lagna Esteemed members, Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? Regards Aneesha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Dear Aneesha, Forgive me for my delay in answering your post. Please look for my reply in the next few days when I have a chance to collect my thought without being distracted with other pressing needs. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya wrote: > > Dear Uttara > I realsie my error in posing a query based on Jaimini principles in a Parasara forum!..Yet, I would like a view of the Parasara interpretation---And conotations of ketu in 10th bhava.. > My chart details- DOB-12-07-1980, 00.07hrs, Berhampur,India. > Sincere thanks for your consideration! > Regards > Aneesha > > In jyotish-vidya , " muttaraphalguni@ " <muttaraphalguni@> wrote: > > > > Dear Aneesha, > > > > Whether you are inquiry about Jaimini or Parasara techniques, to answer your questions properly a natal birth information is needed to assess the chart accurately. As you have pointed out here a planet can act favorably or not. Only a proper look at a chart can discern this. > > > > If you are interested in having your inquiry answered about the quality of marriage with Parasara techniques please do let us know. > > > > As Always, > > > > Uttara > > > > p.s. Jaimini does hold its own value in interpretation but it is a different system from Parasara. Mixing Jaimini with Parasara only leads too confusion and often muddy interpretation. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya@> wrote: > > > > > > Esteemed members, > > > Im a novice and learning the ropes of astrology...I understand that uppada lagna sigifies the quality of marriage and its image to the world. In my chart,I have uppada lagna in 10th bhava capricorn with ketu in it...does the bhava placement have any significance? Ketu in uppada..does it denote ascetisism or detachment in marriage, is it a benific or malefic influence....and uppada lagna being 12th from arudha lagna...what does that imply?Why is uppada given more importance than the darapada? > > > Regards > > > Aneesha > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Hi Aneesha, Thank you for your patience. It is unlike me to be so negligent. I am home now after my third hospitalization this past month. You requested further explanation on 10th hse Ketu in regard to a second opinion based on Jaimini delineation in regard to marriage. I noted that 10th hse Ketu is in the sign of Capricorn ruled by Saturn and its nashastra position is Dhanishta who is ruled by Mars which is its primary ruler along with Saturn and Rahu are noted here. Interesting that Mars ruler is also the parasara ruler of your Aries Mars which is your 1st hse. This also means that 7th from Aries is your relationship hse being Libra ruled by Venus. Let's concentrate on Dhanishta and it ruler Mars along with the ruling sign ruler which would be Saturn. As you look at your chart you will see the positions laid out - yes? There is a saying that once the Nakshatra and it ruler is found that all other configurations do not have the same potency in configurations. I do not have a say one way or the other. So, I take what I see. There is a very good book by Parsh Trivedi on the Nashastras and its rulers that you might want to investigate if not purchase. If for nothing else than more than I reference for collaboration in your studies. This is what I see: Without going into a deep delineation of all the possibilities and their dynamics along with the very real applications of several levels, I am going to say that Ketu in Capricorn present a two fold explanation. But first one must know the meaning of Capricorn as a sign, Then as a sign with a ruler, Saturn, then as a house, then as how does it functions against the rest of the chart. And finally how does the planet position in the sign influence the sign/house. In your case you are asking in relation to your marriage. I like to concentrate on the nakashstra ruler for the main purpose. I like to concentrate on the Nashastra and its ruler (in your case Mars). The nakshatra of Dhanishta is also in the second pada of its position in placement. I would like to put this assessment forward. A relationship of marriage is going to be challenging until you grow with maturity and experience to understand that challenges presented to your needs to be balanced with your inner deep need to be nurtured. What you express openly is a very authoritive and competent approach in reality. It is a cover to what you need internally. However, I am also going to say that your position as a confident go doer is your personal makeup and what you crave for control and security. Think of it this way. You are on a teeter totter. Balancing your feelings daily (whether inwardly or outer) depends on how you are capable to handle the days requirements. This application and or assessment is also supported by you first house Aries vs. your 7th hse Libra. But look for study where your ruler of Capricorn is placed and you first hse Mars is placed. It is often like an inner connected necklace that needs all it parts to be connected and functional. If there is anything I can add it would be this. Life is what it is. Knowing where your strengths and weaknesses are helps you to know and adapt. It's a great gift. Aneesha if there is anything I have neglected to explain please feel free to let me know. Let this be known. You are just find where you are in this lifetime. Compromising on your own terms of Vedic knowledge and assimilating into or with others only helps to bring out the best in you. All members are welcomed to comment and add clarity. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Dear Uttara, Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? Thanks again! Aneesha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Dear Aneesha, Dear Aneesha, //>does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in?<// No. Moksha/renouncement is in the Moksha houses 4,8,12. Where Ketu influences these attributes but does not cause them. However, Ketu among many other significance does act as a Divine intelligince. " A person can feel connected to a higher force which directs their action " . A higher level of spiritulism however, is not gained if Ketu is in a materialistic hse or position. Ketu is also a planet of desire whether for personal selfish gain or benefit for others in its higher element. Ketu in most actions is one of separation or liberation often with sudden loss. Ketu acts much like Mars and 8th hse Scorpio ruled by Mars represents death or ending of things. The gain is in liberation but not in renouncement of self in this Moksha hse. Ketu is often a loner and can wander being an asectic, especially with Saturn. So a renouncement of physical pleasure can be experienced. but again it is not a renouncement of self or Moksha Ketu is malefic. Of the three moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. Because 12th house Pisces with exhalted Venus there is a transformation of self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being with one. Hope these few examples and explanation help. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? > Thanks again! > Aneesha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Clarification: //Of the three Moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. Because 12th house Pisces with exalted Venus there is a transformation of self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being with one.// It should read: Of the three Moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. Because 12th house Pisces with exalted Venus there in the Natural Horoscope is a transformation of the self to the higher. As well as any 12th house position in a natal chart. All ego, self will and materialism is renounced for a higher being with one. 12th house is the transformation to a higher spirituality of the soul. So too, there are several areas in one's chart that can be 12th house position from another hse of significance, particulary if planets are in two from 12. In your chart for example. We can see that Sun and Moon with retro Mercury in own hse Gemini combust is 12th from your natal 4th hse moksha Cancer ruled by Moon. One would then say there is a loss of emotional security and nurturing as well as a need to secure those feelings. It is not a loss of renouncement of self persay as it is a relinguishing of secure feelings and mental direction. Rahu there creates the confusion and choas since the Nakshatra Ashlesha is ruled by Mercury (mental thinking and communication) and Moon. It is Rahu 12th and 2 (from Genmini Sun, Moon, Retro Mer) placed there that can bring you to your knees pleading with Ketu nakshatra ruled by mars (mars also exalted in Capricorn) to relinquish his selfish self willed ways and implore Saturn ruler of Capricorn to manifest a higher spiritual direction of divine intelligence of practical thinking and action. So too, if we look at natal 5th hse Leo ruled by Sun we see Saturn and Jupiter there. From 10th hse Capricorn ruled by Saturn with Ketu there we see that Leo is eight from Capricorn. this is a moksha or dusthana hse for Capricorn. Now as we know Mars Nakshatra ruler and Saturn Capricorn ruler fight for autatomy and authority, where as Leo ruler Sun is enemies with Saturn placed there. If we count from 5th house Leo five houses (5+5) then 5th and eight hse Leo with ruler Sun along with Saturn and Jupiter placed there are going to arrive five house away in Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter. Sagittarius is the natural 9th hse of your natal chart and is a Dharma hse along with 9th and 12th hse being the spiritual houses. Jupiter rules both. AND, Saturn and Jupiter placed in Sagitarius from Leo/Sun becomes 12th hse to Capricorn/Sa with Ketu there. This 12th hse position then becomes a Spiritual influence to Capricorn but the loss is there to fully being effective to Capricorn/SA. To concluded. It is the 12th hse from Lagna in a natal chart which is the most powerful in Moksha/renouncement of self to a higher purpose of serenity and one with the supreme being. As Always Uttara Read below for original post on the subject jyotish-vidya , " muttaraphalguni " <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > Dear Aneesha, > > //>does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in?<// > > No. Moksha/renouncement is in the Moksha houses 4,8,12. Where Ketu influences these attributes but does not cause them. > > However, Ketu among many other significance does act as a Divine intelligince. " A person can feel connected to a higher force which directs their action " . A higher level of spiritulism however, is not gained if Ketu is in a materialistic hse or position. Ketu is also a planet of desire whether for personal selfish gain or benefit for others in its higher element. > > Ketu in most actions is one of separation or > liberation often with sudden loss. Ketu acts much like Mars and 8th hse Scorpio ruled by Mars represents death or ending of things. The gain is in liberation but not in renouncement of self in this Moksha hse. > > Ketu is often a loner and can wander being an asectic, especially with Saturn. So a renouncement of physical pleasure can be experienced. but again it is not a renouncement of self or Moksha > > Ketu is malefic. > > Of the three moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. Because 12th house Pisces with exhalted Venus there is a transformation of self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being with one. > > Hope these few examples and explanation help. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > > > jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya@> wrote: > > > > Dear Uttara, > > Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? > > Thanks again! > > Aneesha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Dear Aneesha,From Jaimini point of view,Karakamsha is taken as very important in deciding many factors. 1) Benefics in 12th from Karakamsha indicate the person will gain Shubha Lokas.2) Ketho kaivalyam meaning Kethu in 12th from Karakamsha gives Mukti or final emancipation. 3) Another Shloka is : Kriyaa chaapayorvisheshaNa meaning if Meena or Karka or Mesha or Dhanu becomes 12th from Karakamsha and is occupied by Kethu,the native attains Mukti or the perfect Bliss of God. I hope this also benefits you.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, muttaraphalguni <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Aneesha, Dear Aneesha, //>does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in?<// No. Moksha/renouncement is in the Moksha houses 4,8,12. Where Ketu influences these attributes but does not cause them. However, Ketu among many other significance does act as a Divine intelligince. " A person can feel connected to a higher force which directs their action " . A higher level of spiritulism however, is not gained if Ketu is in a materialistic hse or position. Ketu is also a planet of desire whether for personal selfish gain or benefit for others in its higher element. Ketu in most actions is one of separation or liberation often with sudden loss. Ketu acts much like Mars and 8th hse Scorpio ruled by Mars represents death or ending of things. The gain is in liberation but not in renouncement of self in this Moksha hse. Ketu is often a loner and can wander being an asectic, especially with Saturn. So a renouncement of physical pleasure can be experienced. but again it is not a renouncement of self or Moksha Ketu is malefic. Of the three moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. Because 12th house Pisces with exhalted Venus there is a transformation of self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being with one. Hope these few examples and explanation help. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? > Thanks again! > Aneesha > -- Ramadas Rao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Dear Ramadas Rao, As well as your intentions, Jaimini principles and techniques are not used on Jyotish-Vidya Parasara forum here. However, Your point that Ketu in 12th house will give final emancipation From the Navamsha is well taken. However, one needs to remember to delineate if the 12th hse in a persons Rasi has Ketu there or is aspected to give further credence to Navamsha position for Moksha. Also, as we know the nodes of Ketu and Rahu are given the status of shadow planets being ecliptic points of the moon and do not hold any base on their own. The karma of Ketu and Rahu is influnced by their depositer of the house they are placed in as the depositer then fowards their influence to the natal chart. Also it is Rahu's desires that brings Ketu to light and where these two nodes are placed in the natal chart will give its destiny. To my understanding Ramadas, Ketu in the Moksha houses of 4,8 and possibly 1st hse of self does have its influence especially if that house or planets placed there are aspected or aspect other planets and houses. But does not necessarily warrant emancipation of self or Spiritual inclinations. I would agree with you that Ketu in 12th house of Moksha, final liberation of self does greatly influence this house. As the house position influences Ketu. However, i see that unless it is Pisces, Ketu's 12th house position will give its emancipation once death occurs. Not necessarily while living. I invite others for comment and or clarification As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: > > Dear Aneesha,From Jaimini point of view,Karakamsha is taken as very > important in deciding many factors. > 1) Benefics in 12th from Karakamsha indicate the person will gain Shubha > Lokas. > 2) Ketho kaivalyam meaning Kethu in 12th from Karakamsha gives Mukti or > final emancipation. > 3) Another Shloka is : Kriyaa chaapayorvisheshaNa meaning if Meena or Karka > or Mesha or Dhanu becomes 12th from Karakamsha and is occupied by Kethu,the > native attains Mukti or the perfect Bliss of God. > I hope this also benefits you. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, muttaraphalguni < > muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > Dear Aneesha, > > > > Dear Aneesha, > > > > //>does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of > > the ouse it is in?<// > > > > No. Moksha/renouncement is in the Moksha houses 4,8,12. Where Ketu > > influences these attributes but does not cause them. > > > > However, Ketu among many other significance does act as a Divine > > intelligince. " A person can feel connected to a higher force which directs > > their action " . A higher level of spiritulism however, is not gained if Ketu > > is in a materialistic hse or position. Ketu is also a planet of desire > > whether for personal selfish gain or benefit for others in its higher > > element. > > > > Ketu in most actions is one of separation or > > liberation often with sudden loss. Ketu acts much like Mars and 8th hse > > Scorpio ruled by Mars represents death or ending of things. The gain is in > > liberation but not in renouncement of self in this Moksha hse. > > > > Ketu is often a loner and can wander being an asectic, especially with > > Saturn. So a renouncement of physical pleasure can be experienced. but again > > it is not a renouncement of self or Moksha > > > > Ketu is malefic. > > > > Of the three moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. > > Because 12th house Pisces with exhalted Venus there is a transformation of > > self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being > > with one. > > > > Hope these few examples and explanation help. > > > > As Always, > > > > Uttara > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the > > nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine > > interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as > > the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? > > > Thanks again! > > > Aneesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ramadas Rao. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Dear Uttara,Of course I have used Jaimini Maharshi Sutras for explaining Ketu for Moksha.As I have already stated,we have to look for karakamsha in the Navamsha of one's chart and not the Rashi chart.As we know Rahu is the planet of desire and Kethu is a planet of renunciation or Moksha,Navamsha position of Ketu in 12th from Karakamsha ( a planet having highest Degrees,minutes and seconds ) and especially this 12th houseis either Meena or Mesha or Karka or Dhanu gives Moksha.So we have to be careful in delineating these Sutras in a chart.It is not 12th from Navamsha Lagna but is 12th from Karakamsha Lagna,then only Ketu can give Moksha.In addition to this,if Kethu is with benefic planets or aspected by benefic planets in such condition,then a native can get Moksha.Also if an exalted benefic planet or a planet in his own house in 12th from Karakamsha ,then also a native attains Mukti after his/her death.But if a malefic planet is associated with Ketu or aspects Ketu, then it will not give Moksha.Eventhough I have stated Jaimini Maharshi's Upadesha Sutras,these are mentioned in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra in " Karakamsha Phala Adhyaya " . I hope this helps.With Regards,Ramadas Rao. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM, muttaraphalguni <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Ramadas Rao, As well as your intentions, Jaimini principles and techniques are not used on Jyotish-Vidya Parasara forum here. However, Your point that Ketu in 12th house will give final emancipation From the Navamsha is well taken. However, one needs to remember to delineate if the 12th hse in a persons Rasi has Ketu there or is aspected to give further credence to Navamsha position for Moksha. Also, as we know the nodes of Ketu and Rahu are given the status of shadow planets being ecliptic points of the moon and do not hold any base on their own. The karma of Ketu and Rahu is influnced by their depositer of the house they are placed in as the depositer then fowards their influence to the natal chart. Also it is Rahu's desires that brings Ketu to light and where these two nodes are placed in the natal chart will give its destiny. To my understanding Ramadas, Ketu in the Moksha houses of 4,8 and possibly 1st hse of self does have its influence especially if that house or planets placed there are aspected or aspect other planets and houses. But does not necessarily warrant emancipation of self or Spiritual inclinations. I would agree with you that Ketu in 12th house of Moksha, final liberation of self does greatly influence this house. As the house position influences Ketu. However, i see that unless it is Pisces, Ketu's 12th house position will give its emancipation once death occurs. Not necessarily while living. I invite others for comment and or clarification As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: > > Dear Aneesha,From Jaimini point of view,Karakamsha is taken as very > important in deciding many factors. > 1) Benefics in 12th from Karakamsha indicate the person will gain Shubha > Lokas. > 2) Ketho kaivalyam meaning Kethu in 12th from Karakamsha gives Mukti or > final emancipation. > 3) Another Shloka is : Kriyaa chaapayorvisheshaNa meaning if Meena or Karka > or Mesha or Dhanu becomes 12th from Karakamsha and is occupied by Kethu,the > native attains Mukti or the perfect Bliss of God. > I hope this also benefits you. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, muttaraphalguni < > muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > Dear Aneesha, > > > > Dear Aneesha, > > > > //>does planet ketu itself act as the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of > > the ouse it is in?<// > > > > No. Moksha/renouncement is in the Moksha houses 4,8,12. Where Ketu > > influences these attributes but does not cause them. > > > > However, Ketu among many other significance does act as a Divine > > intelligince. " A person can feel connected to a higher force which directs > > their action " . A higher level of spiritulism however, is not gained if Ketu > > is in a materialistic hse or position. Ketu is also a planet of desire > > whether for personal selfish gain or benefit for others in its higher > > element. > > > > Ketu in most actions is one of separation or > > liberation often with sudden loss. Ketu acts much like Mars and 8th hse > > Scorpio ruled by Mars represents death or ending of things. The gain is in > > liberation but not in renouncement of self in this Moksha hse. > > > > Ketu is often a loner and can wander being an asectic, especially with > > Saturn. So a renouncement of physical pleasure can be experienced. but again > > it is not a renouncement of self or Moksha > > > > Ketu is malefic. > > > > Of the three moksha houses. 12th hse is the hse of renouncement of self. > > Because 12th house Pisces with exhalted Venus there is a transformation of > > self to the higher. All ego and materialism is renounced for a higher being > > with one. > > > > Hope these few examples and explanation help. > > > > As Always, > > > > Uttara > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > " aneesha " <aneeshaacharya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > Thanks for your enlightening interpretation ..esp taking into account the > > nakshatra ruler...The interpretation you forward relating a mars-saturnine > > interplay is beautiful..Just one one query..does planet ketu itself act as > > the giver of 'moksha'/ renonucemnet of the ouse it is in? > > > Thanks again! > > > Aneesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ramadas Rao. > -- Ramadas Rao. 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Dear Ramadas Rao, ///Of course I have used Jaimini Maharshi Sutras for explaining Ketu for Moksha. As I have already stated, we have to look for karakamsha in the Navamsha of one's chart and not the Rashi chart./// As has been explained here many times the Chara-Karakas are part of the Jaimini method of prediction and should not be mixed with the Parashari system. Part of the reason why I (try to) back my statements with appropriate references is to demonstrate that the views of Jyotish-Vidya are supported by many traditional and respected jyotishi's. In this regard let me quote (in part) from Defouw and Svoboda's book 'Light On Life'. " Many of the practitioners of Parashari Jyotish who employ Jaimini's indicators are unaware that they form an integral part of the entirely different system of interpretation that is Jaimini Jyotish. Some defend this practice by saying that this method is part of the Parashari system, since it is included in BPHS, but this does not mean that it is integral to Parashari Jyotish. To determine the significators for relatives (for instance) by the Jaimini method and then to use them in a Parashari mode to analyse relations causes inherent contradictions. It is as illogical to use Jaimini significators with Parashari aspects as it would be to use diesel fuel in a petrol engine. " I'm aware that you follow a particular school of thought and I recognise your right to do so. However the line of thought promoted on Jyotish-Vidya is clearly laid out on the group webpage and I (again) request members to respect this. As for Ketu's role as MokshaKaraka, this can be better understood by studying the charts of those who have already gained moksha in this life. What is commonly found in these charts is Ketu's connection with moksha lords. Paramahansa for instance has lagna rising in nakshatra of Ketu with 12th moksha lord Moon (in lagna) also occupying Ketu's nakshatra; whilst 4th moksha lord Mars joins lagnesh dispositor (Jupiter) in 8th moksha bhava...etc, etc.. There are many similar examples. Maharishi being one that comes to mind. The point is that the indications for moksha need to be strong...just Ketu in 12th (or any bhava) will not give moksha if this is not supported by the rest of the horoscope. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Ramadas Rao " <ramadasrao <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:58 PM Re: Re: Uppada lagna Dear Uttara,Of course I have used Jaimini Maharshi Sutras for explaining Ketu for Moksha.As I have already stated,we have to look for karakamsha in the Navamsha of one's chart and not the Rashi chart.As we know Rahu is the planet of desire and Kethu is a planet of renunciation or Moksha,Navamsha position of Ketu in 12th from Karakamsha ( a planet having highest Degrees,minutes and seconds ) and especially this 12th houseis either Meena or Mesha or Karka or Dhanu gives Moksha.So we have to be careful in delineating these Sutras in a chart.It is not 12th from Navamsha Lagna but is 12th from Karakamsha Lagna,then only Ketu can give Moksha.In addition to this,if Kethu is with benefic planets or aspected by benefic planets in such condition,then a native can get Moksha.Also if an exalted benefic planet or a planet in his own house in 12th from Karakamsha ,then also a native attains Mukti after his/her death.But if a malefic planet is associated with Ketu or aspects Ketu, then it will not give Moksha.Eventhough I have stated Jaimini Maharshi's Upadesha Sutras,these are mentioned in Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra in " Karakamsha Phala Adhyaya " . I hope this helps. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, You wrote: // >As for Ketu's role as MokshaKaraka, this can be better understood by > studying the charts of those who have already gained moksha in this life. > What is commonly found in these charts is Ketu's connection with moksha > lords. Paramahansa for instance has lagna rising in nakshatra of Ketu > with 12th moksha lord Moon (in lagna) also occupying Ketu's nakshatra; > whilst 4th moksha lord Mars joins lagnesh dispositor (Jupiter) in 8th > moksha bhava...etc, etc.. > > There are many similar examples. Maharishi being one that comes to mind. > The point is that the indications for moksha need to be strong...just > Ketu in 12th (or any bhava) will not give moksha if this is not supported > by the rest of the horoscope<// Thank you for this enlightening explanation of MoshaKaraka. it was the key of clarification I was looking for! As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Dear Uttara, ///Thank you for this enlightening explanation of MoshaKaraka. it was the key of clarification I was looking for!/// Good :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:07 AM Re: Uppada lagna Dear Mrs. Wendy, You wrote: // >As for Ketu's role as MokshaKaraka, this can be better understood by > studying the charts of those who have already gained moksha in this > life. > What is commonly found in these charts is Ketu's connection with moksha > lords. Paramahansa for instance has lagna rising in nakshatra of Ketu > with 12th moksha lord Moon (in lagna) also occupying Ketu's nakshatra; > whilst 4th moksha lord Mars joins lagnesh dispositor (Jupiter) in 8th > moksha bhava...etc, etc.. > > There are many similar examples. Maharishi being one that comes to > mind. > The point is that the indications for moksha need to be strong...just > Ketu in 12th (or any bhava) will not give moksha if this is not > supported > by the rest of the horoscope<// Thank you for this enlightening explanation of MoshaKaraka. it was the key of clarification I was looking for! As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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