The profound wisdom of Jyotish

April 15, 2009

Dear Group,

For some time now, as some of our long-standing members will attest, I've

been trying to instil in others the TRUE purpose of jyotish. Those who've

visited JyotishVidya.com, may (hopefully) have read the message on the

home page that says;

" Jyotish should never be taken on any level other than the level of

Vedanta.

From this level we are led to realise our true identity - as an infinite

eternal blissful soul -

free from the consequences of ignorance and suffering. "

I recently came across the following article by Gaurahari Dasanudas

Babaji that expresses my own views so clearly and perfectly that I had to

send it on to the group.

**A deeper study of Jyotish can reveal the spiritual dynamics of a person’s

life: character traits, the previous and next birth, karmic credits and

debts, periods of spiritual opportunity and challenge, and much more. It

is no exaggeration to say that the study of Jyotish from a spiritual

point of view opens up one’s spiritual vision through the eye of

intelligence, and one can see things that are normally obscure and

invisible—such as a person’s inner character and motivation—or hidden by

time, either future or past.

Jyotish is meant to be understood in the theistic context of Vedic

knowledge, especially the cosmological understanding of creation,

maintenance and destruction of the manifest universe as acts of God. When

we see everything in its proper spiritual value and relationship with

God, we see correctly. If we lose this context or situational awareness,

then no matter how much knowledge we possess, we are in illusion because

we will falsely ascribe these phenomena to some material cause.

Therefore, if we try to apply Jyotish to making predictions about a

person’s material life, we are misusing this knowledge and it will

backfire on us. Helping a person to understand their life from a material

perspective is not helping them at all, because it simply reinforces the

illusion of false identification of the self with the material body.

Therefore Jyotish is not a material system of knowledge for the purpose

of commercial exploitation. That is a degenerate understanding, and will

lead both practitioner and clients to disaster**

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

April 15, 2009

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Where do I find more info about the Babaji whom you referred to? Any links you

provide would be highly appreciated.

Regards, Sincerely C.S. Ravindramani.

***I recently came across the following article by Gaurahari Dasanudas

Babaji that expresses my own views so clearly and perfectly that I had to send

it on to the group***

April 16, 2009

Dear Ravindramani,

I'm more than happy to provide you with the link :-)

http://joomla.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/index.htm

I discovered this site recently and was so pleased to see my long-held

views reflected in such a clear manner.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:52 PM

Re: The profound wisdom of Jyotish

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Where do I find more info about the Babaji whom you referred to? Any

links you provide would be highly appreciated.

Regards, Sincerely C.S. Ravindramani.

***I recently came across the following article by Gaurahari Dasanudas

Babaji that expresses my own views so clearly and perfectly that I had to

send it on to the group***

April 16, 2009

PS: You'll need to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the

portion of the article I posted yesterday.

Dear Ravindramani,

I'm more than happy to provide you with the link :-)

http://joomla.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/index.htm

I discovered this site recently and was so pleased to see my long-held

views reflected in such a clear manner.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:52 PM

Re: The profound wisdom of Jyotish

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Where do I find more info about the Babaji whom you referred to? Any

links you provide would be highly appreciated.

Regards, Sincerely C.S. Ravindramani.

***I recently came across the following article by Gaurahari Dasanudas

Babaji that expresses my own views so clearly and perfectly that I had to

send it on to the group***

April 16, 2009

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Thanks. I would go through the site in the evening at home leisurely.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> I'm more than happy to provide you with the link :-)

>

> http://joomla.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/index.htm

>

> I discovered this site recently and was so pleased to see my long-held

> views reflected in such a clear manner.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

April 16, 2009

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Astrology is not to be exploited commercially. This was the first teaching I

got when I was initiated into this science.

I strongly hold the view that this science (practising astrology)should not be

chosen as a means of one's livilihood. This is purely my personal view.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> I'm more than happy to provide you with the link :-)

>

> http://joomla.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/index.htm

>

> I discovered this site recently and was so pleased to see my long-held

> views reflected in such a clear manner.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

April 16, 2009

Dear Mrs.Wendy and Shri Ravindramani ji,

I have been of the same views for last 2 decades , but a couple of years back,

my Mantra and Jyotish

Guruji who is a great spiritual personality too, came to my place at Bombay ( He

stays in Rajasthan)

and reprimanded me for doing free astrology which I was totally into, uptil 3

years back. Since then I

turned Professional, though I do free reading for at least 3 charts daily.

Though it was difficult to ask

for money in the beginning, but eventually I got over my hesitation and shyness

considering that this

is what I am supposed to be doing as per my Guruji's instructions. Now what is

this to be considered

as ? Right or wrong ?

1) I do free reading as well as paid readings.

2) I have never taken advantage of any native with regards to money,

never put fear, to sell, never left answers half given, for them to come back to

me.

3) The major portion of my Jyotish income goes in Charity.

4) Jyotish is not the only source of my livelihood, though a part.

5) I have never exploited anyone commercially in name of Jyotish.

Is my stand right ? Or should it be changed ? What am I supposed to be doing ? I

seek your advice .

regards,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Astrology is not to be exploited commercially. This was the first teaching I

got when I was initiated into this science.

>

> I strongly hold the view that this science (practising astrology)should not be

chosen as a means of one's livilihood. This is purely my personal view.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ravindramani,

> >

> > I'm more than happy to provide you with the link :-)

> >

> > http://joomla.esotericteaching.org/jyotish/index.htm

> >

> > I discovered this site recently and was so pleased to see my long-held

> > views reflected in such a clear manner.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

>

April 16, 2009

Dear Sir,

I am a government servant. My wife is a government employee. We earn that much

so that we can meet both the ends. I too do chart readings. This activity is

completely free of charge. This is purely my personal decision. My elders

asked me not to charge. My teacher told me not to charge. I don't want to

charge anything for this activity. Then why I do chart readings. It is simply

because, I elate to see how the rules of the Sages work infallibly. No money.

No returns, in any form or in kind, for this activity. I feel happy those who

give me feedback that I am right what I said once. I am satisfying my ego. I

have a feeling that I am becoming arrogant.

Of late, a strange feeling emanates from within. Why I am doing this? Who am I

to interfere in the karmas of others? Why should I involve myself with endless

circles of cause and effect? I reduced this activity to a bare minimum.

I feel, astrology helps a person, to know where exactly he stands in his

spiritual journey. Planets do not reveal themselves to all. How many friends

who came to me for a chart reading asked about (their) real spiritual potential

of 9th house. I am sorry to say, the reply is none. Everybody wants to know

when will he or she get money, more money and leave India to US and other

European countries to make money. When will they build their dream houses? When

will they acquire their dream machines?

You wrote, `your Mantra Guru reprimanded you for doing free astrology', I am

sorry, I do not wish to comment whether his suggestion is to be considered right

or wrong. Kindly excuse me. However, I am of the view, It is the decision of

the individual and it is purely up to the individual whether to charge or not

and do this activity partly or full time and the proceeds should go to charity

or not. Every cause has its own effect. I don't know the cause why I am doing

astrology what to talk about the effects.

I consider Maharishi Ramana as my Guru. Kindly go through the story I appended

below.

Come to your own conclusion please.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

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Quote:

Sri Venkateswara Sarma (Sastrigal Mama) was an exceptional and astounding

astrologer. From childhood he exhibited a rare genius in this field. While still

very young, his extraordinary intelligence enabled him to master the most

abstruse and difficult branch of astrology. All, including his guru, declared

him as the wisest student.

Prasna is an astrological science based on a perfect fruition between

mathematics and intuition. With just some meager information from the

questioner, which includes only the first word of the question, a Prasna

astrologer can, within seconds, draw up mentally a horoscope. This requires

great mathematical precision and perfection. Having drawn the horoscope within

his mind, and in a flash also having studied it, the astrologer will have to

wait, prayerfully. Then, from the depths of his inner intuition words gush

forth, forming the astrological predictions for the questioner. As this Prasna

process is not merely based on mathematical horoscopes, it culminates in

intuitional revelation, and the predictions are said to be amazingly accurate

and correct to the minutest detail. Sri Sastrigal Mama was highly proficient in

this system of astrology.

He once described it to me by citing this example: One day a merchant came to

his house while he was engaged offering worship in his puja room. His wife

informed him that one Nagappa Chettiar was waiting on the verandah and that he

seemed worried about some urgent matter. Not willing to interrupt his worship,

and by merely listening to the name and the few details given by his wife, Sri

Sastrigal Mama, within a minute, began giving the following prediction:

" Tell Nagappa Chettiar that he has come to inquire about his lost, costly

diamond ring. He suspects his servant. Assure him that no one has stolen it. In

his gardenn, near the well, there are two rows of plantain trees. On one side

there are only two trees; on the other there is a cluster of trees. Let him

search under the two trees and the diamond ring will be found there. While he

was cleaning his clothes on the washing stone the ring slipped off his finger

and fell to the ground. "

Nagappa Chettiar returned home and found the ring exactly where Sri Sastrigal

Mama had said, and because of this and similar astounding predictions Sri

Sastrigal Mama became quite famous. He also became convinced that the Prasna

branch of astrology was the most perfect science.

At the height of his career he heard about Sri Ramana Maharshi. When he first

saw Sri Bhagavan's picture he was immediately captivated and traveled to

Arunachala to see the Sage. He climbed up to Skandashram, where Bhagavan then

resided. On the very first look that the Maharshi gave him, Sri Sastrigal Mama

became his slave. He had a strong desire to stay with the Maharshi permanently,

renouncing everything he held dear. Yet, there was still his lifelong attraction

to the science of astrology. He felt distracted by it and did not know how to

proceed.

One day, gathering courage, he approached Sri Maharshi in all humility and said,

" Bhagavan, is not astrology the best and most accurate of all sciences? "

In silence Bhagavan looked at him deeply for some time. Then, slowly but firmly,

he replied: " The science of the Self is superior to all other sciences. "

It was the peak period in Sri Sastrigal Mama's life. For every prediction he was

richly rewarded and was consequently acquiring immense wealth. Nevertheless, the

words from the Master convinced him immediately to renounce his lucrative

profession and pursue the science of the Self. His wife too fully supported him

in this decision. The remainder of their life they lived in utter poverty at the

holy feet of the Sat-Guru, under the protective shade of the Sacred Mountain,

Arunachala.

Unquote:

April 16, 2009

Dear Sir,

I do not know exactly why my Guru repromanded me, because I never had the guts

to ask him,but he also used these words " Sadhu sanyaasi ki nakal karna band

karo " Translated - Do not

imitate Saints and Renouncers.

I believe I was reprimanded because -

1) I was spending most part of the day doing free readings which was affecting

my finances and economical condition.

2) I had some particular combination in my Horoscope which I noticed later after

few months, which as per Lal Kitab does not allow me to give for free

unnecessarily .

3) Maybe this was the profession I ought to be, as per Combination of retro

Jupiter and retro Saturn in My Chart.

4) Plus other combinations which I would not go into now.

My professor at Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan just remarked to our class of students

last Sunday. " One must not use astrology for commercial purposes " . On discussion

with him, he further

remarked that " For those to whom this is a livelihood " its okay for them to

accept Fees.Thus there are conflicting views on this when one hears varied

opinions. .

I do not think that taking fees or not matters much. What matters is the

sincerity in the astrologer to help the native. I also do not think that those

who accept Fees do not develop intuitions,

because I have developed this to a good extent by Gods grace I would say with

all humility. Exploitation of a native is not good whether a person accepts Fees

or not in both cases. I also do not feel that the astrologer who accepts Fees is

inferior to the astrologer who does not accept Fees. There are many pros and

cons to this discussion with validity and weight which can be produced on both

sides.

My experience of 25 years in this field also says that for 22 years., the

respect which I did not receive by not accepting Fees, I got multifold after

starting accepting the same. Now nobody takes me or my time for granted.

I have to believe my Mantra Guru because he cured me of some habit of few years

( I was taking sleeping Pills for 5 years, to get sleep at night, and very high

doses) overnight, with just one Pooja done in a Lord Shankara temple at

Rajasthan ( The Pooja was done after midnight, and from next night onwards till

date, I have never

taken a sleeping pill to induce sleep. This was in 1989,that is 20 years ago ) .

He also cured my own nephew who was in the last stage of Blood Cancer , whom

Dr.Advani of Jaslok Hospital (Asias No.1 Cancer Surgeon) had declared as " You

may call his relatives now, for his body can no more take any more

chemotherapies and his time is over " . Plus many more such miracles I have been

witness to,hence what he says, I believe as right for me, without questioning

him, knowing fully well, that he can see what we astrologers cannot see. At

times its better to hang ones personal opinion on the branch which I did, when

we have such elders guiding us, fortunately

for me.

I also know that I am becoming a better person and coming closer to self by

doing astrology, learning, practising and being immersed in it.

The crux of the whole matter is, being true to ones self and to the person one

is trying to help,with no scope or space given to exploitation of any kind.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I am a government servant. My wife is a government employee. We earn that

much so that we can meet both the ends. I too do chart readings. This activity

is completely free of charge. This is purely my personal decision. My elders

asked me not to charge. My teacher told me not to charge. I don't want to

charge anything for this activity. Then why I do chart readings. It is simply

because, I elate to see how the rules of the Sages work infallibly. No money.

No returns, in any form or in kind, for this activity. I feel happy those who

give me feedback that I am right what I said once. I am satisfying my ego. I

have a feeling that I am becoming arrogant.

>

> Of late, a strange feeling emanates from within. Why I am doing this? Who am

I to interfere in the karmas of others? Why should I involve myself with

endless circles of cause and effect? I reduced this activity to a bare

minimum.

>

> I feel, astrology helps a person, to know where exactly he stands in his

spiritual journey. Planets do not reveal themselves to all. How many friends

who came to me for a chart reading asked about (their) real spiritual potential

of 9th house. I am sorry to say, the reply is none. Everybody wants to know

when will he or she get money, more money and leave India to US and other

European countries to make money. When will they build their dream houses? When

will they acquire their dream machines?

>

> You wrote, `your Mantra Guru reprimanded you for doing free astrology', I am

sorry, I do not wish to comment whether his suggestion is to be considered right

or wrong. Kindly excuse me. However, I am of the view, It is the decision of

the individual and it is purely up to the individual whether to charge or not

and do this activity partly or full time and the proceeds should go to charity

or not. Every cause has its own effect. I don't know the cause why I am doing

astrology what to talk about the effects.

>

> I consider Maharishi Ramana as my Guru. Kindly go through the story I

appended below.

>

> Come to your own conclusion please.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

>

> ============================================================

>

> Quote:

>

> Sri Venkateswara Sarma (Sastrigal Mama) was an exceptional and astounding

astrologer. From childhood he exhibited a rare genius in this field. While still

very young, his extraordinary intelligence enabled him to master the most

abstruse and difficult branch of astrology. All, including his guru, declared

him as the wisest student.

>

> Prasna is an astrological science based on a perfect fruition between