Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Group, Like the rest of the world, I've been captivated by Susan Boyle. For those who've not yet seen her performance on BGT here's a link Her birth details (minus T.O.B.) are given on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Boyle I've drawn a tentative chart with Pisces lagna (approx 02:05 am). Although I haven't had time, as yet, to study the chart in any depth, her physical stature and innate nature immediately suggests Pisces. In R.Santhanam's notes (BPHS Ch.78) he describes Pisces (in part) thus: " The natives of this ascendant are generally short in stature but they are plumpy with short hands and feet.They are honest, humane and helpful. On account of their being over-generous, they often hamper their own progress. They are very happy when they can spend their time/money to help others and on charitable causes... " Any comments on this chart? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,One UK Astrologer seems to have quoted the birth time as 8:50 BDT. However, I guess this is not confirmed by any proof.Regards,KrishnaOn Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Group, Like the rest of the world, I've been captivated by Susan Boyle. For those who've not yet seen her performance on BGT here's a link Her birth details (minus T.O.B.) are given on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Boyle I've drawn a tentative chart with Pisces lagna (approx 02:05 am). Although I haven't had time, as yet, to study the chart in any depth, her physical stature and innate nature immediately suggests Pisces. In R.Santhanam's notes (BPHS Ch.78) he describes Pisces (in part) thus: " The natives of this ascendant are generally short in stature but they are plumpy with short hands and feet.They are honest, humane and helpful. On account of their being over-generous, they often hamper their own progress. They are very happy when they can spend their time/money to help others and on charitable causes... " Any comments on this chart? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Krishna, It would be a worthwhile exercise to try to confirm the facts of her life in either chart i.e., youngest of 9 children I believe...don't have the info in front of me now, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Also does either chart confirm her difficult birth resulting in loss of oxygen to the brain for a short time. These and other important facts have to be confirmed before we can decide on lagna with any confidence. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:00 PM Re: Susan Boyle > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Krishna, Does this astrologer have a website? I'd be interested to see what he says to support his time. I also read that 1 Apr 1961 has been confirmed by BGT?? Using this date 06:35am gives Pisces lagna. PS: I have been told that many JV members are active on other groups...this certainly would explain the lack of response/sharing on JV. However, as I (myself) would very much like to determine an accurate chart for Susan Boyle, I'd appreciate any feedback you (or other members) can give... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:00 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, One UK Astrologer seems to have quoted the birth time as 8:50 BDT. However, I guess this is not confirmed by any proof. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,When I passed on the info., I had not even cast the chart to make any comments. I had not seen Wiki to know that there was a different date quoted there. Since you mentioned in you mail that the time is not known, I simply passed on the info. I had assuming that there is no issue on the date. Sorry for not checking things before saying something. I don't know much about this astrologer. But, the info. I got is from another UK person who directly received the info. from an UK astrologer. The details I have are as follows:April 1, 1961Blackburn, Scotland 8:50 GMT or 9:50 BDTThis time gives Gemini lagna. Moon being 2L also gives good voice in general. But, we need to drill down more before fixing the correct lagna.You have aptly captured the physical features of the native. It is interesting to note that Sun is in Pisces and that might be giving the Pisces appearance to the native. What do you think? More later.Regards,KrishnaOn Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, Does this astrologer have a website? I'd be interested to see what he says to support his time. I also read that 1 Apr 1961 has been confirmed by BGT?? Using this date 06:35am gives Pisces lagna. PS: I have been told that many JV members are active on other groups...this certainly would explain the lack of response/sharing on JV. However, as I (myself) would very much like to determine an accurate chart for Susan Boyle, I'd appreciate any feedback you (or other members) can give... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, April 20, 2009 5:00 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, One UK Astrologer seems to have quoted the birth time as 8:50 BDT. However, I guess this is not confirmed by any proof. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Krishna, Thank you for that info...much appreciated :-) In my web search for more info I did learn that the show (BGT) was actually taped in January although it didn't go to air until April. Like you, I haven't really taken a real look at the chart yet; needing first to be sure of the date of birth, at least. Hopefully I can examine the chart properly later today. One thing I feel certainly certain of is that she strongly fits the Pisces profile, both physically and psychologically. ///You have aptly captured the physical features of the native. It is interesting to note that Sun is in Pisces and that might be giving the Pisces appearance to the native. What do you think?/// Lagna first and foremost sets the physical appearance, personality, constitution, character and so forth. No doubt, with karaka for lagna (Sun) in lagna itself these characteristics will be quite strong. Also F/M Saturn's aspect on both Lagna (and) Sun and his overpowering of lagnesh Saturn indicates difficulties at time of birth...as well, of course, as difficulties, setbacks and disappointments throughout life. This powerful 11th lord Saturn supports the fact that she was born into a family with 8 elder siblings. Although I'm fairly confident of the lagna I haven't made any attempt to rectify the time (based on events). However, a quick look at the chart now shows that she's running the dasa of SA-SA-JU...both occupying 11th house which signifies long-term desires, fulfillment of hopes and wishes, good news, auspicious events, society, opportunities, success in undertakings and so forth... No doubt all this has manifested for her late in life; and (again) this is the nature of Saturn...he delays our affairs...in this instance the fulfilment of her dreams (hopes and wishes). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:43 AM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, When I passed on the info., I had not even cast the chart to make any comments. I had not seen Wiki to know that there was a different date quoted there. Since you mentioned in you mail that the time is not known, I simply passed on the info. I had assuming that there is no issue on the date. Sorry for not checking things before saying something. I don't know much about this astrologer. But, the info. I got is from another UK person who directly received the info. from an UK astrologer. The details I have are as follows: April 1, 1961 Blackburn, Scotland 8:50 GMT or 9:50 BDT This time gives Gemini lagna. Moon being 2L also gives good voice in general. But, we need to drill down more before fixing the correct lagna. You have aptly captured the physical features of the native. It is interesting to note that Sun is in Pisces and that might be giving the Pisces appearance to the native. What do you think? More later. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,Here is the latest on the birth deatils. This was given in another list: " Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 " I tried to apply my BTR technique for this data and I got 9:50:46 as the rectified time. Hence, I feel that this data is quite reliable.I have the following observations from the chart: - Moon being 2L could be the reason for good voice.- She was undergoing Sat-Mer-Moon period when she became famous for her voice. Saturn is 9L and Mercury is disposited by Sat.- 2L Moon's dispositor is in Rahu-Ketu axis and Moon is aspected by Mars could indicate learning problems - 7L Jup is in 8th & in the sign of debilitation, Venus is retro could indicate why she has remained unmarried. Venus is 7L in Navamsha and occupies 6th house.- LL Mercury with Ketu could indicate problems during birth - Rahu in 3H could indicate that she is the youngest childNeed more time to explore further.Regards,KrishnaOn Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, Thank you for that info...much appreciated :-) In my web search for more info I did learn that the show (BGT) was actually taped in January although it didn't go to air until April. Like you, I haven't really taken a real look at the chart yet; needing first to be sure of the date of birth, at least. Hopefully I can examine the chart properly later today. One thing I feel certainly certain of is that she strongly fits the Pisces profile, both physically and psychologically. ///You have aptly captured the physical features of the native. It is interesting to note that Sun is in Pisces and that might be giving the Pisces appearance to the native. What do you think?/// Lagna first and foremost sets the physical appearance, personality, constitution, character and so forth. No doubt, with karaka for lagna (Sun) in lagna itself these characteristics will be quite strong. Also F/M Saturn's aspect on both Lagna (and) Sun and his overpowering of lagnesh Saturn indicates difficulties at time of birth...as well, of course, as difficulties, setbacks and disappointments throughout life. This powerful 11th lord Saturn supports the fact that she was born into a family with 8 elder siblings. Although I'm fairly confident of the lagna I haven't made any attempt to rectify the time (based on events). However, a quick look at the chart now shows that she's running the dasa of SA-SA-JU...both occupying 11th house which signifies long-term desires, fulfillment of hopes and wishes, good news, auspicious events, society, opportunities, success in undertakings and so forth... No doubt all this has manifested for her late in life; and (again) this is the nature of Saturn...he delays our affairs...in this instance the fulfilment of her dreams (hopes and wishes). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:43 AM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, When I passed on the info., I had not even cast the chart to make any comments. I had not seen Wiki to know that there was a different date quoted there. Since you mentioned in you mail that the time is not known, I simply passed on the info. I had assuming that there is no issue on the date. Sorry for not checking things before saying something. I don't know much about this astrologer. But, the info. I got is from another UK person who directly received the info. from an UK astrologer. The details I have are as follows: April 1, 1961 Blackburn, Scotland 8:50 GMT or 9:50 BDT This time gives Gemini lagna. Moon being 2L also gives good voice in general. But, we need to drill down more before fixing the correct lagna. You have aptly captured the physical features of the native. It is interesting to note that Sun is in Pisces and that might be giving the Pisces appearance to the native. What do you think? More later. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Krishna, I've looked at the 9:50 chart (Gemini) and, like the Pisces chart, Lagna is afflicted by 11th lord which can account for the difficult birth. Also 11th lord, dispositor of Venus (increase) can indicate that she was born amidst elder siblings. 3rd lord Sun in 10th indicates her status as the youngest sibling...etc.. However (physically) she certainly doesn't fit the Gemini profile?? BTW is it possible for the general public to obtain the birth records of another?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:12 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, Here is the latest on the birth deatils. This was given in another list: * " Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 " * I tried to apply my BTR technique for this data and I got 9:50:46 as the rectified time. Hence, I feel that this data is quite reliable. I have the following observations from the chart: - Moon being 2L could be the reason for good voice. - She was undergoing Sat-Mer-*Moon* period when she became famous for her voice. Saturn is 9L and Mercury is disposited by Sat. - 2L Moon's dispositor is in Rahu-Ketu axis and Moon is aspected by Mars could indicate learning problems - 7L Jup is in 8th & in the sign of debilitation, Venus is retro could indicate why she has remained unmarried. Venus is 7L in Navamsha and occupies 6th house. - LL Mercury with Ketu could indicate problems during birth - Rahu in 3H could indicate that she is the youngest child Need more time to explore further. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,In this case, LL Mercury is very weak - please note the shadbala. He is the dispositor of Moon as well. Hence, I believe that Sun plays a critical role than lagna/moon in influencing the physical features of the native. //BTW is it possible for the general public to obtain the birth records of another??//Well, I don't know the answer to this :-)Regards,KrishnaOn Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, I've looked at the 9:50 chart (Gemini) and, like the Pisces chart, Lagna is afflicted by 11th lord which can account for the difficult birth. Also 11th lord, dispositor of Venus (increase) can indicate that she was born amidst elder siblings. 3rd lord Sun in 10th indicates her status as the youngest sibling...etc.. However (physically) she certainly doesn't fit the Gemini profile?? BTW is it possible for the general public to obtain the birth records of another?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:12 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, Here is the latest on the birth deatils. This was given in another list: * " Finally got reliable confirmation of data personally from Caroline Gerrard Scottish astrologer:Yes, I do have Susan Boyle's data. 1st April 1961, 09.50am, at Bangour Hospital near Broxburn, 03w34, 55n57 " * I tried to apply my BTR technique for this data and I got 9:50:46 as the rectified time. Hence, I feel that this data is quite reliable. I have the following observations from the chart: - Moon being 2L could be the reason for good voice. - She was undergoing Sat-Mer-*Moon* period when she became famous for her voice. Saturn is 9L and Mercury is disposited by Sat. - 2L Moon's dispositor is in Rahu-Ketu axis and Moon is aspected by Mars could indicate learning problems - 7L Jup is in 8th & in the sign of debilitation, Venus is retro could indicate why she has remained unmarried. Venus is 7L in Navamsha and occupies 6th house. - LL Mercury with Ketu could indicate problems during birth - Rahu in 3H could indicate that she is the youngest child Need more time to explore further. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Krishna, I will certainly study the chart closely over the next day or so. ///Well, I don't know the answer to this :-)/// The reason I asked is that on the following website http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/direct-station-of-venus-exalted-in-pisces it states that the astrologer obtained the birth certificate... I would have thought that such records are unavailable to the general public?? " Birth data are from Ms. Caroline Gerard of The Scottish Astrological Association, who obtained the birth certificate from the records office of the Scottish New Register House. " Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:43 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, In this case, LL Mercury is very weak - please note the shadbala. He is the dispositor of Moon as well. Hence, I believe that Sun plays a critical role than lagna/moon in influencing the physical features of the native. //BTW is it possible for the general public to obtain the birth records of another??// Well, I don't know the answer to this :-) Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,OK. That is news to me as well that a third party can officially could get hold of the birth details of someone in a country like UK!Looking forward to more from you on this chart.Regards, KrishnaOn Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, I will certainly study the chart closely over the next day or so. ///Well, I don't know the answer to this :-)/// The reason I asked is that on the following website http://mountainastrologer.com/tma/direct-station-of-venus-exalted-in-pisces it states that the astrologer obtained the birth certificate... I would have thought that such records are unavailable to the general public?? " Birth data are from Ms. Caroline Gerard of The Scottish Astrological Association, who obtained the birth certificate from the records office of the Scottish New Register House. " Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:43 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, In this case, LL Mercury is very weak - please note the shadbala. He is the dispositor of Moon as well. Hence, I believe that Sun plays a critical role than lagna/moon in influencing the physical features of the native. //BTW is it possible for the general public to obtain the birth records of another??// Well, I don't know the answer to this :-) Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Krishna, Although I must admit that the Gemini chart (1 Apr 1961, 09:50) is certainly feasible, my internet search has revealed a lot of controversy regarding the actual date itself. On entertainment.timesonline.co.uk the date is given as 15 Jun 1961 although Wikipedia has since removed the date and now just gives 1961. Like me, they've obviously adopted a 'wait and see' attitude. I also must say that I'm suspicious of an astrologer who claims to have obtained someone else's birth certificate. I really would have thought this to be impossible? Anyway, I'll keep watching and waiting (I need to be sure of the date at least). Hopefully we might get some confirmation from Susan herself. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:15 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, OK. That is news to me as well that a third party can officially could get hold of the birth details of someone in a country like UK! Looking forward to more from you on this chart. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,Given the situation on birth data, I agree with you that we should not waste time exploring until we are sure of the birth details.Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna, Although I must admit that the Gemini chart (1 Apr 1961, 09:50) is certainly feasible, my internet search has revealed a lot of controversy regarding the actual date itself. On entertainment.timesonline.co.uk the date is given as 15 Jun 1961 although Wikipedia has since removed the date and now just gives 1961. Like me, they've obviously adopted a 'wait and see' attitude. I also must say that I'm suspicious of an astrologer who claims to have obtained someone else's birth certificate. I really would have thought this to be impossible? Anyway, I'll keep watching and waiting (I need to be sure of the date at least). Hopefully we might get some confirmation from Susan herself. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:15 PM Re: Susan Boyle Dear Mrs. Wendy, OK. That is news to me as well that a third party can officially could get hold of the birth details of someone in a country like UK! Looking forward to more from you on this chart. Regards, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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