Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy, You are absolutely correct that there is so much to glean from the Varga charts without taking into consideration the bhavas in the varga. The nature of the sign placement, the relative placements of MD and AD lords, Karaka placements etc. I am wondering if the ancients did this because of how sensitive the varga charts are to time changes as the primary reason. Having said that, couple of my teachers are proponents of using houses in varga charts and in cases where I can be 100% sure of the birth time (like my son for example), the insights you get from those methods are quite stunning. Even yogas, surprisingly, seem to work in Vargas. But your point is very well taken. It is better to be conservative than take a leap of faith that the birth data is accurate to the minute. Regards, -Manoj Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyajyotish-vidya Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:34:47 AMRe: Questions division charts Dear Kashav,///1. What is the rational of divisional charts? A Rasi chart is a snapshot of planetary position at a defined point of time. So how do wedefine divisional charts?///By "rational" I assume you mean the basic purpose of these vargas? Inbasic terms the vargas give more insight to the specific (bhava)significations. Many Astrologers have their own way of approaching thisand, again, this is an area where there seems to be more than a littlecontroversy. I can only share my method of consulting the vargas.First: I am of the mind that, although they are called divisional'Charts', they are not actually charts in the true sense - merelydivisions of the main horoscope (Rashi). And, as such, there no 'Bhavas'(per se) have manifested in these divisions. So, when we say that someplanet owns 10th bhava in Navamsha (for instance), this is inherentlywrong in my opinion. As I said, this is my opinion and I'm well awarethat others may hold a different opinion.Second: The divisionals (Vargas), covering specific areas of our lives ingreater depth, are invaluable in their ability to broaden the natalchart. They can, of course, be particularly useful in the birth of twinsfor instance who may be born only minutes apart and their main horoscopemay be identical; however, by consulting the divisionals, the differencesin certain areas of their lives may become clear.Third: I might use the example of a chart I've been working on recently.I'm sure everyone has heard of the singer 'Susan Boyle' who experiencedmeteoric recognition (fame/publicity) after her audition on B.G.T..Indeed the dasa/transits at the time strongly support these events asdoes her D10 (Dashamsha). Here (D10) we see dasa lord Saturn exalted inthe sign of Venus. In Rashi, Venus (significator of music, singing,theatre etc) is in friendly sign in 11th house...long- term desires,auspicious events, opportunities, fulfilment of hopes and wishes etc..I won't write any more here (for now) but for those interested, Susan'schart can be seen here. http://jyotishvidya .com/susan. htmBest Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com____________ _________ _________ _______- "Keshav V" <mv.keshav (AT) gmail (DOT) com>"jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya>Friday, June 19, 2009 4:04 PM Questions division chartsDear Friends,In my last class, we were taught about how to prepare rasi chart usingephemeris. Also a small discussion on divisional charts came up. As Iunderstood, the planets based on their Rasi and advancement within rasimoves to either same or different rasi in divisional chart.I have few questions on this. Request the learned members to answer.1. What is the rational of divisional charts? A Rasi chart is a snap shotof planetary position at a defined point of time. So how do we definedivisional charts?2. Lets take Navamsha, for example, Moon at 8Sc24 in Rasi chart moves toVirgo. Does this indicate that the eighth degree of scorpio has nature ofvirgo, if not what does it specifies?Thank you very much,Keshav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Manoj, Yes, as I said previously, it's another of those areas steeped in controversy, and certainly, I'm well aware that many hold different views from mine :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Manoj Chandran " <chandran_manoj <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 22, 2009 11:32 PM Re: Questions division charts : Mrs Wendy Dear Mrs Wendy, You are absolutely correct that there is so much to glean from the Varga charts without taking into consideration the bhavas in the varga. The nature of the sign placement, the relative placements of MD and AD lords, Karaka placements etc. I am wondering if the ancients did this because of how sensitive the varga charts are to time changes as the primary reason. Having said that, couple of my teachers are proponents of using houses in varga charts and in cases where I can be 100% sure of the birth time (like my son for example), the insights you get from those methods are quite stunning. Even yogas, surprisingly, seem to work in Vargas. But your point is very well taken. It is better to be conservative than take a leap of faith that the birth data is accurate to the minute. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya jyotish-vidya Sunday, June 21, 2009 3:34:47 AM Re: Questions division charts Dear Kashav, ///1. What is the rational of divisional charts? A Rasi chart is a snap shot of planetary position at a defined point of time. So how do we define divisional charts?/// By " rational " I assume you mean the basic purpose of these vargas? In basic terms the vargas give more insight to the specific (bhava) significations. Many Astrologers have their own way of approaching this and, again, this is an area where there seems to be more than a little controversy. I can only share my method of consulting the vargas. First: I am of the mind that, although they are called divisional 'Charts', they are not actually charts in the true sense - merely divisions of the main horoscope (Rashi). And, as such, no 'Bhavas' (per se) have manifested in these divisions. So, when we say that some planet owns 10th bhava in Navamsha (for instance), this is inherently wrong in my opinion. As I said, this is my opinion and I'm well aware that others may hold a different opinion. Second: The divisionals (Vargas), covering specific areas of our lives in greater depth, are invaluable in their ability to broaden the natal chart. They can, of course, be particularly useful in the birth of twins for instance who may be born only minutes apart and their main horoscope may be identical; however, by consulting the divisionals, the differences in certain areas of their lives may become clear. Third: I might use the example of a chart I've been working on recently. I'm sure everyone has heard of the singer 'Susan Boyle' who experienced meteoric recognition (fame/publicity) after her audition on B.G.T.. Indeed the dasa/transits at the time strongly support these events as does her D10 (Dashamsha). Here (D10) we see dasa lord Saturn exalted in the sign of Venus.. In Rashi, Venus (significator of music, singing, theatre etc) is in friendly sign in 11th house...long- term desires, auspicious events, opportunities, fulfilment of hopes and wishes etc.. I won't write any more here (for now) but for those interested, Susan's chart can be seen here. http://jyotishvidya .com/susan. htm Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ____________ _________ _________ _______ - " Keshav V " <mv.keshav (AT) gmail (DOT) com> " jyotish-vidya " <jyotish-vidya> Friday, June 19, 2009 4:04 PM Questions division charts Dear Friends, In my last class, we were taught about how to prepare rasi chart using ephemeris. Also a small discussion on divisional charts came up. As I understood, the planets based on their Rasi and advancement within rasi moves to either same or different rasi in divisional chart. I have few questions on this. Request the learned members to answer. 1. What is the rational of divisional charts? A Rasi chart is a snap shot of planetary position at a defined point of time. So how do we define divisional charts? 2. Lets take Navamsha, for example, Moon at 8Sc24 in Rasi chart moves to Virgo. Does this indicate that the eighth degree of scorpio has nature of virgo, if not what does it specifies? Thank you very much, Keshav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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