Wrongly sent - Message

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

Kindly ignore Message No.13065 which was sent by me inadvertantly here. I was

replying to a question raised by Maridaze in a different fourm. This is purely

due to multi-tasking and the act of cutting and pasting.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Atleast in my case the only "inconvenience" it caused was to remind me that "gochara" cannot fructify some thing that is not promised by the Natal chart. I find even very experienced astrologers make this mistake.

 

It was a nice post (even if it was inadvertent)

 

Now may I ask a follow up?

 

As you have indicated in your message, such transits can be looked at from the Moon, the Udaya Lagna and other Lagnas as well.

Is there a "rule of thumb" for this (from experience)? For example if a chart has Moon much better placed and in better shape than Lagna Lord, does the view from Chandra become more important?

 

I ask this question both from transit point of view as well as regular chart analysis point of view.

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramanijyotish-vidya Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:59:23 AM Wrongly sent - Message

Dear Group,Kindly ignore Message No.13065 which was sent by me inadvertantly here. I was replying to a question raised by Maridaze in a different fourm. This is purely due to multi-tasking and the act of cutting and pasting. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

 

Transits are elaborately dealt with by Sri Mantreshwara in his famous classic

" Phaldeepika " . Mantreshwara emphasized the need for considering transits from

Chandra Lagnam. Mantreshwara clearly instructs " Chandra Lagnam Pradhanam Khalu

Gochareshu " . ( the loose translation in English that there are other Lagnas

available but Chandra Lagna is primary) Further, Mantreshwara states " Chandram

Balamtu Nikhil Graha Veerya Beejam " . ( Moon passes on its strength to all other

planets in a chart) He states Moon is the *SEED*. He emphasizes the strength

of the Moon is most vital because the strength of Moon percolates to the

strength of different planets in a chart.

 

Now let us consider the injunctions in another classic known as Manasagari. In

Manasagari, Ascendant is considered as the " Body " and the Moon is the " Prana " .

We all know the " Prana " that keeps binding us with the " Body " .

 

Hence it could be very well interpreted that any results that is either positive

or negative promised in a chart is based on the strength of the Moon. The very

basic instruction of sage Parashara is that " even if stronger yogas present in a

chart may not give its complete results if Moon is weak. Hence a chart is

examined invariably from the Moon and its strength and the mutual placement of

different planets.

 

The very basic Muhurtha (election of auspicious moments for commencing an

activity) rule is that the 8th house should be better vacant – in other words,

it is preferable if there is no planet in 8th house either malefic or benefic.)

Even Moon is no exception to this. Consider we get disturbed when Moon transits

in 8th house from the radical Moon – (Chandra astama). Any muhurtha is a transit

and a transit is a muhurtha. When a muhurtha becomes an event, i.e. the moment

is considered as a birth of a child, and then Ascendant starts playing a more

vital role. Ascendant decides the basic rulers of a chart. Moon could be the

Ascendant Lord or becomes the 6th, 8th or even the 12th lord in a chart. Now

Moon has to pass on its strength as per the lordship allotted by the Ascendant,

viz. a malefic or a benefic. Since it is moving very fast, in a day, it could

hold different lordships though the Ascendant is same. Now, as a seed, as a

prana, it passes on its own strength to different planets in a different way.

Thus the need arises to consider Ascendant for the purpose of transit. So is

the case with other Ascendants. Therefore, the other ascendants or need based.

The need of the hour decides the other choices available. Therefore,

Mantraeshwara, instructs us, though all other lagnas are available for

consideration of transit, Chandra Lagna is Pradhanam.

 

Hope this may help you to some extent.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: I don't know the Moderator's stand whether it is really advisable to

continue this here since the original reference took place in a different forum.

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Atleast in my case the only " inconvenience " it caused was to remind me that

" gochara " cannot fructify some thing that is not promised by the Natal chart. I

find even very experienced astrologers make this mistake.

>

> It was a nice post (even if it was inadvertent)

>

> Now may I ask a follow up?

>

> As you have indicated in your message, such transits can be looked at from the

Moon, the Udaya Lagna and other Lagnas as well.

> Is there a " rule of thumb " for this (from experience)? For example if a chart

has Moon much better placed and in better shape than Lagna Lord, does the view

from Chandra become more important?

>

> I ask this question both from transit point of view as well as regular chart

analysis point of view.

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj Ji,

in jyotish strength of all the lagnas including surya plays role in assessing the evnts fructification along with dasa.

Some time when similar type issues r raised by different members some mix up happens and is no exception as the Internet buttons pressed easily for raising queries as well as in clarification.Intentional mix up do not occur but something inevitable takes place needing immediate calrificatio.For a complex jyotish all things have to b in line.Jyotish through Internet media is a growing concept as it is found 2 reach sevral.For Astrologers however study through direct means r always good for understanding verification and even by faith too.

Also v come across several views wrt ayanamsa and also approaches to study initially verify through Prashan and follow up later thro natal study.

All are attempted to ensure near factual observations and natal situations.Then mix up sometimes have to be put up.That way group study will be advantageous

vrkrishnan

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Wrongly sent - Messagejyotish-vidya Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:04 PM

 

 

 

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Atleast in my case the only "inconvenience" it caused was to remind me that "gochara" cannot fructify some thing that is not promised by the Natal chart. I find even very experienced astrologers make this mistake.

 

It was a nice post (even if it was inadvertent)

 

Now may I ask a follow up?

 

As you have indicated in your message, such transits can be looked at from the Moon, the Udaya Lagna and other Lagnas as well.

Is there a "rule of thumb" for this (from experience)? For example if a chart has Moon much better placed and in better shape than Lagna Lord, does the view from Chandra become more important?

 

I ask this question both from transit point of view as well as regular chart analysis point of view.

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramani@ gmail.com>jyotish-vidyaTuesday, August 18, 2009 12:59:23 AM Wrongly sent - Message

Dear Group,Kindly ignore Message No.13065 which was sent by me inadvertantly here. I was replying to a question raised by Maridaze in a different fourm. This is purely due to multi-tasking and the act of cutting and pasting. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani and All,

 

///PS: I don't know the Moderator's stand whether it is really advisable

to continue this here since the original reference took place in a

different forum.///

 

It's a topic worthy of discussion regardless of the fact that it was sent

here in error.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ravindramani " <ravindramani

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:44 AM

Re: Wrongly sent - Message

 

 

Dear Manoj,

 

Transits are elaborately dealt with by Sri Mantreshwara in his famous

classic " Phaldeepika " . Mantreshwara emphasized the need for considering

transits from Chandra Lagnam. Mantreshwara clearly instructs " Chandra

Lagnam Pradhanam Khalu Gochareshu " . ( the loose translation in English

that there are other Lagnas available but Chandra Lagna is primary)

Further, Mantreshwara states " Chandram Balamtu Nikhil Graha Veerya

Beejam " . ( Moon passes on its strength to all other planets in a chart)

He states Moon is the *SEED*. He emphasizes the strength of the Moon is

most vital because the strength of Moon percolates to the strength of

different planets in a chart.

 

Now let us consider the injunctions in another classic known as

Manasagari. In Manasagari, Ascendant is considered as the " Body " and the

Moon is the " Prana " . We all know the " Prana " that keeps binding us with

the " Body " .

 

Hence it could be very well interpreted that any results that is either

positive or negative promised in a chart is based on the strength of the

Moon. The very basic instruction of sage Parashara is that " even if

stronger yogas present in a chart may not give its complete results if

Moon is weak. Hence a chart is examined invariably from the Moon and its

strength and the mutual placement of different planets.

 

The very basic Muhurtha (election of auspicious moments for commencing an

activity) rule is that the 8th house should be better vacant - in other

words, it is preferable if there is no planet in 8th house either malefic

or benefic.) Even Moon is no exception to this. Consider we get

disturbed when Moon transits in 8th house from the radical Moon -

(Chandra astama). Any muhurtha is a transit and a transit is a muhurtha.

When a muhurtha becomes an event, i.e. the moment is considered as a

birth of a child, and then Ascendant starts playing a more vital role.

Ascendant decides the basic rulers of a chart. Moon could be the

Ascendant Lord or becomes the 6th, 8th or even the 12th lord in a chart.

Now Moon has to pass on its strength as per the lordship allotted by the

Ascendant, viz. a malefic or a benefic. Since it is moving very fast, in

a day, it could hold different lordships though the Ascendant is same.

Now, as a seed, as a prana, it passes on its own strength to different

planets in a different way. Thus the need arises to consider Ascendant

for the purpose of transit. So is the case with other Ascendants.

Therefore, the other ascendants or need based. The need of the hour

decides the other choices available. Therefore, Mantraeshwara, instructs

us, though all other lagnas are available for consideration of transit,

Chandra Lagna is Pradhanam.

 

Hope this may help you to some extent.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: I don't know the Moderator's stand whether it is really advisable to

continue this here since the original reference took place in a different

forum.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani, Krishnan Ji, Mrs Wendy,

 

Thank you for this discussion and many fine points already made. It clearly seems that transits are to be primarily viewed from the Moon but other Lagnas also need to be considered. One thing that has always bothered me is the following:

 

Clearly the Ascendant is the most "personal" point in the chart for the person and the Lagna Lord represents the person himself/herself. Being the fastest moving point of reference, it makes sense that it is the most significant Lagna for the person.

 

The Moon however, only changes position about once in two days. So millions of people born in those two days will have very similar charts (from Chandra Lagna), won't they?

 

However, what will change ofcourse is the Lordship and hence the strength of the Moon. So is it a correct statement to say that Chandra Lagna is more important (or will be of greater predictive value) on charts where Moon is well placed and owns good houses? Similarly will a fuller and Waxing Moon prove to be of better predictive value when it comes to Chandra Lagna?

Here for this question I am extending it beyond just transits but viewing the chart as a whole.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99jyotish-vidya Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:48:56 PMRe: Wrongly sent - Message

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj Ji,

in jyotish strength of all the lagnas including surya plays role in assessing the evnts fructification along with dasa.

Some time when similar type issues r raised by different members some mix up happens and is no exception as the Internet buttons pressed easily for raising queries as well as in clarification. Intentional mix up do not occur but something inevitable takes place needing immediate calrificatio. For a complex jyotish all things have to b in line.Jyotish through Internet media is a growing concept as it is found 2 reach sevral.For Astrologers however study through direct means r always good for understanding verification and even by faith too.

Also v come across several views wrt ayanamsa and also approaches to study initially verify through Prashan and follow up later thro natal study.

All are attempted to ensure near factual observations and natal situations.Then mix up sometimes have to be put up.That way group study will be advantageous

vrkrishnan

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: Wrongly sent - Messagejyotish-vidyaTuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:04 PM

 

 

 

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Atleast in my case the only "inconvenience" it caused was to remind me that "gochara" cannot fructify some thing that is not promised by the Natal chart. I find even very experienced astrologers make this mistake.

 

It was a nice post (even if it was inadvertent)

 

Now may I ask a follow up?

 

As you have indicated in your message, such transits can be looked at from the Moon, the Udaya Lagna and other Lagnas as well.

Is there a "rule of thumb" for this (from experience)? For example if a chart has Moon much better placed and in better shape than Lagna Lord, does the view from Chandra become more important?

 

I ask this question both from transit point of view as well as regular chart analysis point of view.

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramani@ gmail.com>jyotish-vidyaTuesday, August 18, 2009 12:59:23 AM Wrongly sent - Message

Dear Group,Kindly ignore Message No.13065 which was sent by me inadvertantly here. I was replying to a question raised by Maridaze in a different fourm. This is purely due to multi-tasking and the act of cutting and pasting. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj,

 

Any instruction or rule prescribed by any classic should be treated as a broad

guide line. This guide line should be applied judiciously. This instruction

" Chandra Lagnam Pradhanam " should also be treated as a guide line. This is my

humble view.

 

When transit is applied to a chart, there are certain other rules which should

also be applied. This is not the only instruction that one should follow.

Whether it is a natal chart analysis or the transit analysis, there are number

of factors are to be taken into account, paying attention to only one such rule

would not bring forth fruitful results.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

 

PS: I covered more or less your questions in your initial response to my mail.

Go through them one more time without any hurry.

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramani,

 

Thank you. I am able to get the essence now.

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

ravindramani <ravindramanijyotish-vidya Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:05:45 PM Re: Wrongly sent - Message

Dear Manoj,Any instruction or rule prescribed by any classic should be treated as a broad guide line. This guide line should be applied judiciously. This instruction "Chandra Lagnam Pradhanam" should also be treated as a guide line. This is my humble view. When transit is applied to a chart, there are certain other rules which should also be applied. This is not the only instruction that one should follow. Whether it is a natal chart analysis or the transit analysis, there are number of factors are to be taken into account, paying attention to only one such rule would not bring forth fruitful results.Regards, C.S. RavindramaniPS: I covered more or less your questions in your initial response to my mail. Go through them one more time without any hurry.