Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, In the last several months/weeks you very clearly gave an excellent explanation as to how the Outer Planet are represented in a chart by the inner planets. I am having trouble finding in the archives your exact words. Can you please reiterate? I would be most appreciative. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Dear Uttara, I'm sorry, but I don't really know what you're referring to?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Monday, October 05, 2009 11:27 AM Outer Planets act like Inner Planets Dear Mrs. Wendy, In the last several months/weeks you very clearly gave an excellent explanation as to how the Outer Planet are represented in a chart by the inner planets. I am having trouble finding in the archives your exact words. Can you please reiterate? I would be most appreciative. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear and precise explanation. Hope communications are better with computer and . As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Mrs. Uttara, Your query was addressed to Mrs. Wendy, but I thought I could be of help to you in finding the old posts. There was a much heated discussion on the topic on October 21 and Oct 22, 2008. I just went through it and found out the message number for you. There are abt 7 or 8 conversations on the topic starting with message number 11139. Just type in this number or search for outer planets in the search box, you will be able to go through the conversations.From what I read, in eastern astrology outer planets are of little importance. Hope this helps. Regards, Manasa. n.b. In another conv. which I was part of it was said that Rahu is more like saturn and ketu is more like mars.Well, I couldn't find that post for u though. > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear and precise explanation. > > Hope communications are better with computer and . > > As Always, > > Uttara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Thank you Manasa, Your research and kindness is much appreciated. As Always, Uttara p.s. I can't beleive its been a whole yr since the conversation! jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote: > > jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@> wrote: > Dear Mrs. Uttara, > > Your query was addressed to Mrs. Wendy, but I thought I could be of help to you in finding the old posts. There was a much heated discussion on the topic on October 21 and Oct 22, 2008. I just went through it and found out the message number for you. There are abt 7 or 8 conversations on the topic starting with message number 11139. Just type in this number or search for outer planets in the search box, you will be able to go through the conversations.From what I read, in eastern astrology outer planets are of little importance. Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Manasa. > > n.b. In another conv. which I was part of it was said that Rahu is more like saturn and ketu is more like mars.Well, I couldn't find that post for u though. > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > > > As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear and precise explanation. > > > > Hope communications are better with computer and . > > > > As Always, > > > > Uttara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dear Uttara, ///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear and precise explanation./// It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently) Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These, as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology. Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " jai.ma " <jai.ma <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM Vic et al re: Outer Planets Hi Vic et al... It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age 40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus awakening at that age! In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations. The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and astrologers. I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri Khalsa: [bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is: " Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as late gifts in latter times. They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the individual life. Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody struggle and even incestuous civil war. Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. " Thanks for the discussion! Om shanti...love and light... Juliana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 PS: I might add here that Juliana rightly (and honestly) described herself as a " Neo-Vedic astrologer " . Neo, as we know, is a prefix signalling a " new " form or a revival of an old one. Similar to the Christian revivalists who broke from the traditional form of Christianity. As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets? ________________________________ Dear Uttara, ///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear and precise explanation./// It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently) Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These, as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology. Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " jai.ma " <jai.ma <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM Vic et al re: Outer Planets Hi Vic et al... It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age 40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus awakening at that age! In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations. The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and astrologers. I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri Khalsa: [bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is: " Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as late gifts in latter times. They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the individual life. Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody struggle and even incestuous civil war. Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. " Thanks for the discussion! Om shanti...love and light... Juliana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, If this gets through - I am having a lot of trouble with and connections through them - just want you to know I did answer you but it got lost in poor connection. Give me a few days if not sooner to work out the problem here I am having and i will fully reply again. Rats. I lost the post to you :-( bottom line, I was misunderstood. My question revolved around Traditional Vedic and not neo-vedic or Julianna. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > PS: I might add here that Juliana rightly (and honestly) described > herself as a " Neo-Vedic astrologer " . Neo, as we know, is a prefix > signalling a " new " form or a revival of an old one. Similar to the > Christian revivalists who broke from the traditional form of > Christianity. > > As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to > most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit > puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets? > ________________________________ > > > Dear Uttara, > > ///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. > However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets > and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like > Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents > Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request > was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented > within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard > these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear > and precise explanation./// > > It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently) > Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These, > as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology. > > Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I > haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " jai.ma " <jai.ma@> > <jyotish-vidya > > Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM > Vic et al re: Outer Planets > > > Hi Vic et al... > > It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer > that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they > closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner > planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to > be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age > 40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay > attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus > awakening at that age! > > In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher > octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and > Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and > especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher > dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations. > > The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very > ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras > museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi > that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and > that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai > always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and > astrologers. > > I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the > outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri > Khalsa: > [bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but > then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point > is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is: > > " Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the > outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later > interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems > heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still > rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around > Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as > late gifts in latter times. > > They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to > represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded > somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named > for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the > spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed > indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the > individual life. > > Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of > Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn > was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down > these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far > less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator > father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human > race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He > represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless > continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western > counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made > only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody > struggle and even incestuous civil war. > > Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas > engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern > counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who > bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and > smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. " > > Thanks for the discussion! > Om shanti...love and light... > Juliana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Wendy ji, ///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?/// I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer planets--I mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in our lives is a bit like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong communist! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Dear Balaji, Perhaps, as Uttara has said, I could well have misunderstood what it was she was referring to...will just have to wait for her response/clarification :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya > Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:06 PM Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets Wendy ji, ///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?/// I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer planets--I mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in our lives is a bit like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong communist! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji, I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending private. Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially with has been greatly affected in the negative lately. 1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding. Please let me try to clarify to all. Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic platform regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance in Vedic Astrology. As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its original or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to please explain her position on how she felt the perfectness of Vedic/Parasara techniques and its authentic place of the outer planets which have no effect on our daily actions, does have a psychological effect in the masses of emotional reaction already in the perfectness of the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and Ketu that do cause affect personally with the lunar eclipses. It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent explanation to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a factual understanding of the Rishis. Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in the future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned not to mixed them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect because their energy is not seen nor do they affect in actions. So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an affect similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though these are shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the eclipses. Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best explanation of the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual affect within the 7 planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas of a few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even though as we know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts much like Mars in Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of Vedic understanding and knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief. Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on this subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had an authentic foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara. If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I believe in a belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or their values. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > Perhaps, as Uttara has said, I could well have misunderstood what it was > she was referring to...will just have to wait for her > response/clarification :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji > <jyotish-vidya > > Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:06 PM > Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets > > > Wendy ji, > > ///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to > most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit > puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?/// > > I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer > planets--I mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in > our lives is a bit like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong > communist! :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Dear Uttara, Just a quick response for now as I'm just back from a rather busy morning running here and there...time now to take some rest and collect some thoughts. In the meantime here are my thoughts as they appear on the following page. http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm **According to the teaching of the rishis, the Janma Kundali (Vedic horoscope) is an act of Creation. We are taught that, at the moment of birth, the divine planets (NavaGrahas) manifest as a new entity (a new creation) and the Rasis (signs of the zodiac) manifest as the twelve Bhavas (houses of the horoscope). The sign that has become the bhava is an act of Creation as certain and unchangeable as the re-creation of the navagrahas (nine divine planets) at the moment of birth. The Trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) do not have this quality to recreate - perhaps due to their distance from our Sun who is known as the soul of all living beings. The indisputable fact, according to the sages, is that only the planets from Sun through to Saturn, along with the devious nakshatra (hidden in their midst), drank of the nectar of immortality which gave them the ability to recreate each time an entity is born. As the sages tell us, we are " the personification of the universe " . When we're born, the divine planets (navagrahas) are no longer just physical objects in the sky and the signs of the zodiac, having manifested as the twelve bhavas, are no longer just visible constellations. Having grasped this fundamental truth we can understand the difference between Vedic astrology and other branches that divide the houses into unequal portions (Placidus divisions) and incorporate the Trans-Saturnine planets. Scholars suggest that the great sage Parashara, whose discourses are given in " Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra " , lived at the time of the Mahabharata war, about 3000 BC. - Parashara is taken by most astrologers to be the Father of Vedic astrology. However references in the Rig Veda (the oldest of the four Vedas) suggest that Jyotish (the name given to Vedic astrology) was a developed science even before Parashara's time.** Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Friday, October 09, 2009 11:17 AM Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji, I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending private. Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially with has been greatly affected in the negative lately. 1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding. Please let me try to clarify to all. Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic platform regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance in Vedic Astrology. As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its original or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to please explain her position on how she felt the perfectness of Vedic/Parasara techniques and its authentic place of the outer planets which have no effect on our daily actions, does have a psychological effect in the masses of emotional reaction already in the perfectness of the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and Ketu that do cause affect personally with the lunar eclipses. It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent explanation to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a factual understanding of the Rishis. Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in the future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned not to mixed them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect because their energy is not seen nor do they affect in actions. So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an affect similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though these are shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the eclipses. Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best explanation of the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual affect within the 7 planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas of a few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even though as we know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts much like Mars in Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of Vedic understanding and knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief. Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on this subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had an authentic foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara. If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I believe in a belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or their values. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects of the Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also concluded that using the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and should not be discounted. Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go about delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa. Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding this member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and Ketu as an appropriate affect in action on the natal chart. I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of it mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality. Unfortunately, I can't find the discussion between the two of you because it is not categorized under the Nodes or the Outer Planets. Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite the contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara Vedic. Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer planets are already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9 planets actions in Parasara Vedic. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > Just a quick response for now as I'm just back from a rather busy morning > running here and there...time now to take some rest and collect some > thoughts. In the meantime here are my thoughts as they appear on the > following page. > > http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm > > **According to the teaching of the rishis, the Janma Kundali (Vedic > horoscope) is an act of Creation. We are taught that, at the moment of > birth, the divine planets (NavaGrahas) manifest as a new entity (a new > creation) and the Rasis (signs of the zodiac) manifest as the twelve > Bhavas (houses of the horoscope). The sign that has become the bhava is > an act of Creation as certain and unchangeable as the re-creation of the > navagrahas (nine divine planets) at the moment of birth. > > The Trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) do not have this > quality to recreate - perhaps due to their distance from our Sun who is > known as the soul of all living beings. The indisputable fact, according > to the sages, is that only the planets from Sun through to Saturn, along > with the devious nakshatra (hidden in their midst), drank of the nectar > of immortality which gave them the ability to recreate each time an > entity is born. As the sages tell us, we are " the personification of the > universe " . When we're born, the divine planets (navagrahas) are no longer > just physical objects in the sky and the signs of the zodiac, having > manifested as the twelve bhavas, are no longer just visible > constellations. > > Having grasped this fundamental truth we can understand the difference > between Vedic astrology and other branches that divide the houses into > unequal portions (Placidus divisions) and incorporate the Trans-Saturnine > planets. > > Scholars suggest that the great sage Parashara, whose discourses are > given in " Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra " , lived at the time of the > Mahabharata war, about 3000 BC. - Parashara is taken by most astrologers > to be the Father of Vedic astrology. However references in the Rig Veda > (the oldest of the four Vedas) suggest that Jyotish (the name given to > Vedic astrology) was a developed science even before Parashara's time.** > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya > > Friday, October 09, 2009 11:17 AM > Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji, > > I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending > private. Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially > with has been greatly affected in the negative lately. > > 1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I > found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short > note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding. > > Please let me try to clarify to all. > > Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic > platform regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance > in Vedic Astrology. > > As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its > original or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to > please explain her position on how she felt the perfectness of > Vedic/Parasara techniques and its authentic place of the outer planets > which have no effect on our daily actions, does have a psychological > effect in the masses of emotional reaction already in the perfectness of > the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and Ketu that do cause affect > personally with the lunar eclipses. > > It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent > explanation to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a > factual understanding of the Rishis. > > Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in > the future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned > not to mixed them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect > because their energy is not seen nor do they affect in actions. > > So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an > affect similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though > these are shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the > eclipses. > > Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best > explanation of the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual > affect within the 7 planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu. > > It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas > of a few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even > though as we know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts > much like Mars in Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of > Vedic understanding and knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief. > > Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on > this subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had > an authentic foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara. > > If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I > believe in a belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or > their values. > > As Always, > > Uttara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dear Uttara, I'm so sorry that I can't remember that particular conversation off the top of my head. Maybe, since it was just a few moths ago, the person I had the conversation with may be able to recall it. In the meantime lets hope my (own) memory of the conversation returns to me... As for Nodal aspects, I know I've asked members many times to give examples of Nodal aspects that could not be explained otherwise. As far as I recall no-one has been willing or able to do so. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:28 AM Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets Dear Mrs. Wendy, There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects of the Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also concluded that using the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and should not be discounted. Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go about delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa. Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding this member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and Ketu as an appropriate affect in action on the natal chart. I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of it mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality. Unfortunately, I can't find the discussion between the two of you because it is not categorized under the Nodes or the Outer Planets. Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite the contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara Vedic. Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer planets are already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9 planets actions in Parasara Vedic. As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Uttara ji, ///1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding./// I was initially shocked that Wendy ji could think thus--and then, I was amused at myself for entertaining this thought. My comment was made to reflect my amusement with myself--if you found this statement harsh, then it was not intended to be so, so I'm sorry if the wrong message was conveyed. Maybe this misunderstanding arose because my PD lord Rahu is in the 8th in star of enemy Surya, lord of the 3rd (written communications)... ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Dear mrs. wendy, Thanks for your efforts in trying to remember. As always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > I'm so sorry that I can't remember that particular conversation off the > top of my head. Maybe, since it was just a few moths ago, the person I > had the conversation with may be able to recall it. > > In the meantime lets hope my (own) memory of the conversation returns to > me... > > As for Nodal aspects, I know I've asked members many times to give > examples of Nodal aspects that could not be explained otherwise. As far > as I recall no-one has been willing or able to do so. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > - > " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:28 AM > Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate > delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects > of the Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also > concluded that using the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and > should not be discounted. > > Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go > about delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa. > Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding > this member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and > Ketu as an appropriate affect in action on the natal chart. > > I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of > it mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality. > Unfortunately, I can't find the discussion between the two of you because > it is not categorized under the Nodes or the Outer Planets. > > Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite > the contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara > Vedic. > > Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer > planets are already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9 > planets actions in Parasara Vedic. > > As Always, > > Uttara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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