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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

In the last several months/weeks you very clearly gave an excellent explanation

as to how the Outer Planet are represented in a chart by the inner planets. I am

having trouble finding in the archives your exact words.

 

Can you please reiterate?

 

I would be most appreciative.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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Dear Uttara,

 

I'm sorry, but I don't really know what you're referring to??

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, October 05, 2009 11:27 AM

Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

In the last several months/weeks you very clearly gave an excellent

explanation as to how the Outer Planet are represented in a chart by the

inner planets. I am having trouble finding in the archives your exact

words.

 

Can you please reiterate?

 

I would be most appreciative.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However,

their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow

planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts

most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind

having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the

outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation

the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once

again give your clear and precise explanation.

 

Hope communications are better with computer and .

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni wrote:

Dear Mrs. Uttara,

 

Your query was addressed to Mrs. Wendy, but I thought I could be of help

to you in finding the old posts. There was a much heated discussion on the topic

on October 21 and Oct 22, 2008. I just went through it and found out the message

number for you. There are abt 7 or 8 conversations on the topic starting with

message number 11139. Just type in this number or search for outer planets in

the search box, you will be able to go through the conversations.From what I

read, in eastern astrology outer planets are of little importance. Hope this

helps.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

n.b. In another conv. which I was part of it was said that Rahu is more like

saturn and ketu is more like mars.Well, I couldn't find that post for u though.

 

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques. However,

their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2 shadow

planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu acts

most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my mind

having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained how the

outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your explanation

the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you could once

again give your clear and precise explanation.

>

> Hope communications are better with computer and .

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

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Thank you Manasa,

Your research and kindness is much appreciated.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

p.s. I can't beleive its been a whole yr since the conversation!

 

jyotish-vidya , " m2sangeeth " <m2sangeeth wrote:

>

>

jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni@> wrote:

> Dear Mrs. Uttara,

>

> Your query was addressed to Mrs. Wendy, but I thought I could be of

help to you in finding the old posts. There was a much heated discussion on the

topic on October 21 and Oct 22, 2008. I just went through it and found out the

message number for you. There are abt 7 or 8 conversations on the topic starting

with message number 11139. Just type in this number or search for outer planets

in the search box, you will be able to go through the conversations.From what I

read, in eastern astrology outer planets are of little importance. Hope this

helps.

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

> n.b. In another conv. which I was part of it was said that Rahu is more like

saturn and ketu is more like mars.Well, I couldn't find that post for u though.

>

> >

> > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> >

> > As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques.

However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets and 2

shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like Uranus and Ketu

acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents Neptune at the moment, (my

mind having a cognitive slip) but my request was; some time ago you explained

how the outer planets were represented within the 9 planets. I found your

explanation the clearest I have heard these many years and was asking if you

could once again give your clear and precise explanation.

> >

> > Hope communications are better with computer and .

> >

> > As Always,

> >

> > Uttara

> >

>

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Dear Uttara,

 

///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques.

However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets

and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like

Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents

Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request

was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented

within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard

these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear

and precise explanation.///

 

It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently)

Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These,

as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology.

 

Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I

haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" jai.ma " <jai.ma

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM

Vic et al re: Outer Planets

 

 

Hi Vic et al...

 

It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer

that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they

closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner

planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to

be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age

40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay

attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus

awakening at that age!

 

In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher

octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and

Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and

especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher

dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations.

 

The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very

ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras

museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi

that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and

that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai

always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and

astrologers.

 

I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the

outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri

Khalsa:

[bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but

then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point

is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is:

 

" Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the

outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later

interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems

heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still

rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around

Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as

late gifts in latter times.

 

They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to

represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded

somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named

for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the

spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed

indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the

individual life.

 

Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of

Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn

was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down

these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far

less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator

father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human

race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He

represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless

continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western

counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made

only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody

struggle and even incestuous civil war.

 

Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas

engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern

counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who

bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and

smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. "

 

Thanks for the discussion!

Om shanti...love and light...

Juliana

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PS: I might add here that Juliana rightly (and honestly) described

herself as a " Neo-Vedic astrologer " . Neo, as we know, is a prefix

signalling a " new " form or a revival of an old one. Similar to the

Christian revivalists who broke from the traditional form of

Christianity.

 

As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to

most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit

puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?

________________________________

 

 

Dear Uttara,

 

///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques.

However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets

and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like

Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents

Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request

was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented

within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard

these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear

and precise explanation.///

 

It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently)

Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These,

as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology.

 

Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I

haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" jai.ma " <jai.ma

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM

Vic et al re: Outer Planets

 

 

Hi Vic et al...

 

It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer

that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they

closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner

planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to

be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age

40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay

attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus

awakening at that age!

 

In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher

octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and

Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and

especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher

dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations.

 

The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very

ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras

museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi

that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and

that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai

always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and

astrologers.

 

I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the

outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri

Khalsa:

[bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but

then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point

is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is:

 

" Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the

outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later

interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems

heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still

rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around

Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as

late gifts in latter times.

 

They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to

represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded

somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named

for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the

spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed

indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the

individual life.

 

Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of

Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn

was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down

these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far

less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator

father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human

race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He

represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless

continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western

counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made

only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody

struggle and even incestuous civil war.

 

Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas

engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern

counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who

bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and

smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. "

 

Thanks for the discussion!

Om shanti...love and light...

Juliana

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

If this gets through - I am having a lot of trouble with and connections

through them - just want you to know I did answer you but it got lost in poor

connection. Give me a few days if not sooner to

work out the problem here I am having and i will fully reply again. Rats. I

lost the post to you :-( bottom line, I was misunderstood.

My question revolved around Traditional Vedic and not neo-vedic or Julianna.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> PS: I might add here that Juliana rightly (and honestly) described

> herself as a " Neo-Vedic astrologer " . Neo, as we know, is a prefix

> signalling a " new " form or a revival of an old one. Similar to the

> Christian revivalists who broke from the traditional form of

> Christianity.

>

> As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to

> most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit

> puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?

> ________________________________

>

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> ///As we know, the 3 outer planets are not used in Parasara techniques.

> However, their karakas are quite well represented within the 7 planets

> and 2 shadow planets in Vedic. As we also know, Rahu acts most like

> Uranus and Ketu acts most like Pluto, I can't remember who represents

> Neptune at the moment, (my mind having a cognitive slip) but my request

> was; some time ago you explained how the outer planets were represented

> within the 9 planets. I found your explanation the clearest I have heard

> these many years and was asking if you could once again give your clear

> and precise explanation.///

>

> It seems you got me mixed up with someone else. It was (apparently)

> Juliana who gave the expose regarding the trans-Saturnine planets. These,

> as I'm sure you know, don't play a role in Vedic astrology.

>

> Unfortunately, apart from picking up the (below) post from Juliana, I

> haven't had time to go through the rest of the thread.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " jai.ma " <jai.ma@>

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:55 AM

> Vic et al re: Outer Planets

>

>

> Hi Vic et al...

>

> It is my experience as a long-time practicing Neo-Vedic astrologer

> that the outer planets should not be ruled out. I use them when they

> closely influence important points like the chart lord, the inner

> planets and/or the angles of the chart, but I do not consider them to

> be rulers of the rashis. I find the tr. Uranus Opposition around age

> 40 to be one of the most significant key life events, and oh, I do pay

> attention to Uranus transits after I went through my own Uranus

> awakening at that age!

>

> In Western astrology, the outer planets are considered to be higher

> octaves of the lower ones: Uranus for Mercury; Neptune for Venus; and

> Pluto for Mars. They actually do reflect human attributes and

> especially those of a collective nature. However, they are of a higher

> dimension and thus reflect their own unique astral vibrations.

>

> The late great Vedic astrologer Narendra Desai spoke of the very

> ancient _Vasishta Nadi_, which he actually examined in a Madras

> museum. Desai said that Sage Vasishta stated very clearly in this nadi

> that the outer planets [uranus and Neptune] would be discovered and

> that their astrological use would be understood in Kali Yuga. Desai

> always considered Uranus to be the main karaka of astrology and

> astrologers.

>

> I wanted to share with you a brilliantly crafted footnote about the

> outer planets from an article by renowned Vedic astrologer Sat Siri

> Khalsa:

> [bTW, I am not sure her predictions in this article were accurate but

> then maybe she did not have the correct birth time yet, and my point

> is not about the election anyway]...OK here it is:

>

> " Although Vedic astrology's traditions emerge long long before the

> outer planets were formally known, the perspectives of these later

> interlopers have and do contribute additional prescience. Like gems

> heaved out from the further out, more distant in time, but still

> rippling revolutions of the still roiling cosmic sea of milk around

> Mount Mandara, these newly known outer planets reveal themselves as

> late gifts in latter times.

>

> They are not strangers, but carry messages, and can be sensed to

> represent some of the gods who, once strong in the Vedic hymns, faded

> somewhat, like Prajapati, and Varuna, while in the West they are named

> for the mythic Ouranos, Neptune and Pluto. These outer planets are the

> spawn of Rahu. Although they rule no rashis, their transits are indeed

> indicative of many cyclical shifts in the collective and in the

> individual life.

>

> Ouranos is the sky father, sire of Kronos (Saturn) and grandsire of

> Jupiter. Ouranos also fathered the Cyclops and the Titans, and in turn

> was castrated and killed by the Titans when he attempted to bind down

> these, his very own sons', ferocious power. Like Ouranos, although far

> less aggressive, Prajapati, sung of in the Rg Veda, is a creator

> father god with many offspring, eventually including the entire human

> race. He is known in some epics as a guardian of the sex organ. He

> represents the sustaining reward of sacrifice, the endless

> continuation of life as long as the price is paid, while his Western

> counterpart Ouranos focuses on the payment that sometimes can be made

> only through rebellion, and freedom attained sometimes through bloody

> struggle and even incestuous civil war.

>

> Varuna, lord of fate and oceans, master and knower of the karmas

> engendered by the secret machinations of the heart, is the Eastern

> counterpart of Neptune; and Yama, the one half of Saturn's soul who

> bore the curse of his stepmother that he must limp and brood and

> smolder, like Pluto was made god of the world beyond death. "

>

> Thanks for the discussion!

> Om shanti...love and light...

> Juliana

>

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Wendy ji,

 

///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to most

things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit puzzled at your

reference to my explanation of the outer planets?///

 

I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer planets--I

mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in our lives is a bit

like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong communist! :-)

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Balaji,

 

Perhaps, as Uttara has said, I could well have misunderstood what it was

she was referring to...will just have to wait for her

response/clarification :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:06 PM

Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

 

 

Wendy ji,

 

///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to

most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit

puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?///

 

I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer

planets--I mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in

our lives is a bit like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong

communist! :-)

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji,

 

I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending private.

Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially with has

been greatly affected in the negative lately.

 

1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I found

your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short note to Mrs

Wendy a misunderstanding.

 

Please let me try to clarify to all.

 

Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic platform

regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance in Vedic

Astrology.

 

As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its original

or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to please explain

her position on how she felt the perfectness of Vedic/Parasara techniques and

its authentic place of the outer planets which have no effect on our daily

actions, does have a psychological effect in the masses of emotional reaction

already in the perfectness of the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and

Ketu that do cause affect personally with the lunar eclipses.

 

It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent explanation

to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a factual understanding

of the Rishis.

 

Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in the

future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned not to mixed

them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect because their energy

is not seen nor do they affect in actions.

 

So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an affect

similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though these are

shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the eclipses.

 

Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best explanation of

the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual affect within the 7

planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu.

 

It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas of a

few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even though as we

know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts much like Mars in

Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of Vedic understanding and

knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief.

 

Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on this

subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had an authentic

foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara.

 

If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I believe in a

belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or their values.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Balaji,

>

> Perhaps, as Uttara has said, I could well have misunderstood what it was

> she was referring to...will just have to wait for her

> response/clarification :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:06 PM

> Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

>

>

> Wendy ji,

>

> ///As most here would know I am very much a traditionalist in regards to

> most things i.e. family, religion, jyotish etc... hence I was a bit

> puzzled at your reference to my explanation of the outer planets?///

>

> I was also surprised when Uttara ji said that you supported the outer

> planets--I mean, you saying that the outer planets have an influence in

> our lives is a bit like Joseph McCarthy saying that he is a lifelong

> communist! :-)

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan

> Author & Editor

> http://www.balaji.ind.in/

> ~~~~~~~~~

>

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Dear Uttara,

 

Just a quick response for now as I'm just back from a rather busy morning

running here and there...time now to take some rest and collect some

thoughts. In the meantime here are my thoughts as they appear on the

following page.

 

http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm

 

**According to the teaching of the rishis, the Janma Kundali (Vedic

horoscope) is an act of Creation. We are taught that, at the moment of

birth, the divine planets (NavaGrahas) manifest as a new entity (a new

creation) and the Rasis (signs of the zodiac) manifest as the twelve

Bhavas (houses of the horoscope). The sign that has become the bhava is

an act of Creation as certain and unchangeable as the re-creation of the

navagrahas (nine divine planets) at the moment of birth.

 

The Trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) do not have this

quality to recreate - perhaps due to their distance from our Sun who is

known as the soul of all living beings. The indisputable fact, according

to the sages, is that only the planets from Sun through to Saturn, along

with the devious nakshatra (hidden in their midst), drank of the nectar

of immortality which gave them the ability to recreate each time an

entity is born. As the sages tell us, we are " the personification of the

universe " . When we're born, the divine planets (navagrahas) are no longer

just physical objects in the sky and the signs of the zodiac, having

manifested as the twelve bhavas, are no longer just visible

constellations.

 

Having grasped this fundamental truth we can understand the difference

between Vedic astrology and other branches that divide the houses into

unequal portions (Placidus divisions) and incorporate the Trans-Saturnine

planets.

 

Scholars suggest that the great sage Parashara, whose discourses are

given in " Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra " , lived at the time of the

Mahabharata war, about 3000 BC. - Parashara is taken by most astrologers

to be the Father of Vedic astrology. However references in the Rig Veda

(the oldest of the four Vedas) suggest that Jyotish (the name given to

Vedic astrology) was a developed science even before Parashara's time.**

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, October 09, 2009 11:17 AM

Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji,

 

I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending

private. Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially

with has been greatly affected in the negative lately.

 

1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I

found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short

note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding.

 

Please let me try to clarify to all.

 

Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic

platform regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance

in Vedic Astrology.

 

As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its

original or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to

please explain her position on how she felt the perfectness of

Vedic/Parasara techniques and its authentic place of the outer planets

which have no effect on our daily actions, does have a psychological

effect in the masses of emotional reaction already in the perfectness of

the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and Ketu that do cause affect

personally with the lunar eclipses.

 

It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent

explanation to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a

factual understanding of the Rishis.

 

Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in

the future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned

not to mixed them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect

because their energy is not seen nor do they affect in actions.

 

So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an

affect similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though

these are shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the

eclipses.

 

Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best

explanation of the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual

affect within the 7 planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu.

 

It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas

of a few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even

though as we know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts

much like Mars in Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of

Vedic understanding and knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief.

 

Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on

this subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had

an authentic foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara.

 

If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I

believe in a belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or

their values.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate

delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects of the

Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also concluded that using

the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and should not be discounted.

 

Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go about

delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa.

Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding this

member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and Ketu as an

appropriate affect in action on the natal chart.

 

I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of it

mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality. Unfortunately, I

can't find the discussion between the two of you because it is not categorized

under the Nodes or the Outer Planets.

 

Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite the

contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara Vedic.

 

Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer planets are

already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9 planets actions in

Parasara Vedic.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> Just a quick response for now as I'm just back from a rather busy morning

> running here and there...time now to take some rest and collect some

> thoughts. In the meantime here are my thoughts as they appear on the

> following page.

>

> http://jyotishvidya.com/vedanga.htm

>

> **According to the teaching of the rishis, the Janma Kundali (Vedic

> horoscope) is an act of Creation. We are taught that, at the moment of

> birth, the divine planets (NavaGrahas) manifest as a new entity (a new

> creation) and the Rasis (signs of the zodiac) manifest as the twelve

> Bhavas (houses of the horoscope). The sign that has become the bhava is

> an act of Creation as certain and unchangeable as the re-creation of the

> navagrahas (nine divine planets) at the moment of birth.

>

> The Trans-Saturnine planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) do not have this

> quality to recreate - perhaps due to their distance from our Sun who is

> known as the soul of all living beings. The indisputable fact, according

> to the sages, is that only the planets from Sun through to Saturn, along

> with the devious nakshatra (hidden in their midst), drank of the nectar

> of immortality which gave them the ability to recreate each time an

> entity is born. As the sages tell us, we are " the personification of the

> universe " . When we're born, the divine planets (navagrahas) are no longer

> just physical objects in the sky and the signs of the zodiac, having

> manifested as the twelve bhavas, are no longer just visible

> constellations.

>

> Having grasped this fundamental truth we can understand the difference

> between Vedic astrology and other branches that divide the houses into

> unequal portions (Placidus divisions) and incorporate the Trans-Saturnine

> planets.

>

> Scholars suggest that the great sage Parashara, whose discourses are

> given in " Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra " , lived at the time of the

> Mahabharata war, about 3000 BC. - Parashara is taken by most astrologers

> to be the Father of Vedic astrology. However references in the Rig Veda

> (the oldest of the four Vedas) suggest that Jyotish (the name given to

> Vedic astrology) was a developed science even before Parashara's time.**

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, October 09, 2009 11:17 AM

> Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy and Balaji,

>

> I am writing hoping this gets through to JV, if not I am also sending

> private. Please bear with me since my computer communications, especially

> with has been greatly affected in the negative lately.

>

> 1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I

> found your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short

> note to Mrs Wendy a misunderstanding.

>

> Please let me try to clarify to all.

>

> Much has been written and prophesied by many; a new take on a Neo-Vedic

> platform regarding the outer planets and their affect on the importance

> in Vedic Astrology.

>

> As much as I have no qualm with another's view point or context in its

> original or understanding or belief; my attempt was to ask Mrs Wendy, to

> please explain her position on how she felt the perfectness of

> Vedic/Parasara techniques and its authentic place of the outer planets

> which have no effect on our daily actions, does have a psychological

> effect in the masses of emotional reaction already in the perfectness of

> the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planets Rahu and Ketu that do cause affect

> personally with the lunar eclipses.

>

> It is Mrs Wendy this premise that I am asking for her/your excellent

> explanation to the authentic reality not only for prediction but for a

> factual understanding of the Rishis.

>

> Let it be known that it was the Rishis who talked about the discovery in

> the future of 3 shadow planets but they too at the same time cautioned

> not to mixed them with the perfectness of the planets that cause affect

> because their energy is not seen nor do they affect in actions.

>

> So too, we already know in general that the Moon's nodes do have an

> affect similar to the 3 outer planets; the difference is that even though

> these are shadow planets they do show their affect on action with the

> eclipses.

>

> Mrs. Wendy, it was you that I was referring to that gave the best

> explanation of the fact in reality of not only prediction but individual

> affect within the 7 planets and the two shadow planets Rahu and Ketu.

>

> It is also known that there are those as we know that relate the karakas

> of a few planets or their rulers to the outer planets. However, even

> though as we know, Rahu acts much like Saturn in Aquarius and Ketu acts

> much like Mars in Scorpio, the affect is not realized in the reality of

> Vedic understanding and knowledge vs. a neo Vedic belief.

>

> Mrs Wendy, I was asking that you give your most accurate explanation on

> this subject because it was the clearest in the most many years that had

> an authentic foundation of the perfectness of Vedic and Parasara.

>

> If I have not accurately transposed my request it is not because I

> believe in a belief outside of the traditional techniques of accuracy or

> their values.

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

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Dear Uttara,

 

I'm so sorry that I can't remember that particular conversation off the

top of my head. Maybe, since it was just a few moths ago, the person I

had the conversation with may be able to recall it.

 

In the meantime lets hope my (own) memory of the conversation returns to

me...

 

As for Nodal aspects, I know I've asked members many times to give

examples of Nodal aspects that could not be explained otherwise. As far

as I recall no-one has been willing or able to do so.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:28 AM

Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

 

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate

delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects

of the Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also

concluded that using the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and

should not be discounted.

 

Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go

about delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa.

Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding

this member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and

Ketu as an appropriate affect in action on the natal chart.

 

I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of

it mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality.

Unfortunately, I can't find the discussion between the two of you because

it is not categorized under the Nodes or the Outer Planets.

 

Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite

the contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara

Vedic.

 

Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer

planets are already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9

planets actions in Parasara Vedic.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

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Uttara ji,

 

///1st. Balaji, I understand your passion and authentic stance, however, I found

your comment rather harsh after I attempted to clarify in a short note to Mrs

Wendy a misunderstanding.///

 

I was initially shocked that Wendy ji could think thus--and then, I was amused

at myself for entertaining this thought.

 

My comment was made to reflect my amusement with myself--if you found this

statement harsh, then it was not intended to be so, so I'm sorry if the wrong

message was conveyed.

 

Maybe this misunderstanding arose because my PD lord Rahu is in the 8th in star

of enemy Surya, lord of the 3rd (written communications)...

 

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear mrs. wendy,

 

Thanks for your efforts in trying to remember.

 

As always,

 

Uttara

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> I'm so sorry that I can't remember that particular conversation off the

> top of my head. Maybe, since it was just a few moths ago, the person I

> had the conversation with may be able to recall it.

>

> In the meantime lets hope my (own) memory of the conversation returns to

> me...

>

> As for Nodal aspects, I know I've asked members many times to give

> examples of Nodal aspects that could not be explained otherwise. As far

> as I recall no-one has been willing or able to do so.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:28 AM

> Re: Outer Planets act like Inner Planets

>

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> There was a member several months ago who was claiming that an accurate

> delineation of a natal chart along with the Navamsa included the aspects

> of the Nodes. I beleive this same poster (I could be wrong) also

> concluded that using the 3 outer planets had its appropriate effect and

> should not be discounted.

>

> Rightfully, you corrected him about the nodal aspect and also how to go

> about delineating properly the vargas and in this case the Navamsa.

> Also, you discounted the use of the outer planets in favor of guiding

> this member to look at the 7 planets and the 2 shadow planers Rahu and

> Ketu as an appropriate affect in action on the natal chart.

>

> I can not find the appropriate explanation you gave but I made a note of

> it mentality that it was exceptional in its plausible reality.

> Unfortunately, I can't find the discussion between the two of you because

> it is not categorized under the Nodes or the Outer Planets.

>

> Furthermore, I am not saying that you believe in the outer planets (quite

> the contrary)or that they are ensconced in the 9 planets of Parasara

> Vedic.

>

> Rather, you elegantly pointed out the characteristics of the outer

> planets are already covered in the Karakas and significance of the 9

> planets actions in Parasara Vedic.

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

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