Startling News of Mr Barack Obama's winning coveted Noble Prize-Review of the Ch

October 15, 2009

Dear Krishnan Ji,

// we only hope jupiter becoming direct in a day or two would forbid all bad and permit humans to live peacefully and comfortable. //

There are different opinions, I know, on debilitated planets going retrograde. But since debilitation is basically a weakness and since retrogression gives planet more strength, is it not logical that if a planet is debilitated, then having it be retrograde is "better" than having it be direct. Please kindly give you views on this.

Regards,

-Manoj

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99jyotish-vidya Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 9:09:25 PMRe: Re: Startling News of Mr Barack Obama's winning coveted Noble Prize-Review of the Ch

Dear Uttara Ji and all

Very good Post.Comprehensivel y covered the present sitution of various planets in debilitaion. Also Mrs Wendy has tried to analyse impact on US chart separately.we only hope jupiter becoming direct in a day or two would forbid all bad and permit humans to live peacefully and comfortable.

Venus debilitation as the year2009 closeswith entry into own sign will certainly change and make the coming festive season joyous

Vattem Krishnan

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--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

Uttara <muttaraphalguni@ sbcglobal. net> Re: Startling News of Mr Barack Obama's winning coveted Noble Prize-Review of the Chjyotish-vidyaWednesday, October 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

Dear Gopi,I have hesitated to comment on your post further but as it has come to be another hot issue of authencity in regard to T.O.B.I will try and add my thoughts here, hoping to refrain from an political astrological tome to support one time vs. another. JV is not known for debating a political position as much as it is a study group of validating a T.O.B. for Parasara techniques in delineating a natal chart. KN Rao is a highly respected Ji and I do take serious note of what he says. I believe in previous posts this past day that this has been acknowledged along with the fact that KN Rao has not to date given a firm Lagna for President Obama.Also, what you are missing here is the fact that this forum was pulling its hair out last year as we were all trying to validate a authentic T.O.B. It is to Mrs Wendy's credit who laid out the plausible effort of a Capricorn lagna long before any certificate of birth or live

birth surfaced. The archives have all the posts on the subject of last year. Also, do you remember last year a prominent Neo-Vedic astrolger who put forth a birth time of 19:12 saying it was based on an aide to President Obama in his campaign. She reported he would not win the presidency and would succumb in office if he did win. This revelation just about set everyone in the US on their ear. It was so disruptive. And in the end was not accurate.That being say Gopi, please let me explain first that the birth time settled on as you know is supported by the Certificate of Live birth. Note, that this is not the original Birth Certificate but an offficial legal document stating a Live birth with the time of birth and parents. It was I who questioned this Live birth certificate against an authentic birth cetificate but in reality as one started the long effort to validate a time of birth for an accurate ASC the Capricorn came to support without

question much of what is President Obama. And consequently, backed the authenticated legal document of Live Birth. Rather than go through the lengthy explanation as to how Capricorn in my view out weighs Libra Lagna lets concentrate on a few current events against the current transits of the natal chart for President Obama. If we look only at the axis of Capricorn and Cancer this speaks loudly as to where president Obama is in action and thoughts. Also, how he is viewed by others globally including world leaders.If we look at the transits of Capricorn Cancer one see that both Jupiter in Capricorn and Mars in Cancer are both in debilitation. Also, as you know, Ketu is conj, debilitated Mars in Cancer,7th hse of relationship/ partnerships from Capricorn Lagna and Rahu is conj debilitated Jupiter in Capricorn, lst hse of Self.Just taking this axis on its own without any Dasha or any other position in the current chart or

nakshattra or their rulers, one sees a lot of conflicts Obama is feeling and creating.Honduras,Poland, the Czech Republic, and many Central and Eastern allies, have with out doubt felt the recent alienation of the USA President. Adding insult to injury, the recent UN address by the President clearly stated without any sympathy or remorse, the sellout of the USA's biggest friend and allie Israel in the Middle East. http://www.russiabl og.org/2009/ 07/forget_ me_not_obamas_ russian_r. phphttp://reason. com/blog/ 2009/07/23/ obamas-central- asia-realismAnd dated October 8,2009http://www.gadaily. com/index. php?option= com_content & view=article & id=1167:is- obama-truly- a-world-leader & catid=37: column & Itemid= 44 There has much that has been written, and a lot of hand wringing this past year that come October 2009, President Obama would face his greatest vulnerability of demise based on how the planets would be lined up.Just as many were convinced last year this time that the then presidentail canidate Obama would meet his demise, or his marriage would fall apart based on how the planets were lined up, in the end the reality was against all conspriacies as it was in reality the grave end of life of his grandmother who he had been distanced from for many years after been raised by her and his grandfather; the

tension of disruption at last minute to save face to fly to Hawaii as a good faith measure to say a last good-bye. It was his grandmother who died a few days before his election win.Today, we are looking at how the planets are lined up for October and agian many have committed to a fact that the President will meet his demise through assination or by travel, whether by himself or with family or with the Vice President etc etc etc.Currently we are in the middle of October and no such event has happen. That is not to say the next 2 1/2 wks won't, but it is also known that several recent attempts against his life and the country have been foiled. However, His disastrous UN address selling out Israel end of September; the alienation of several countries; his awkward and last minute attempt to gain favor with the US and International Olympics committee failing to win a successful bid for the USA; along with his health care reform bill being

opposed with loud objection, undermines his presence as an effective President.So, even though his idealist view of a socialistic society for all is under threat, his political shimmying up to the President of Venezuela has backed fired as it is also buckling as the President is view by many around the world and global leaders as weak, not to be trusted and quite frankly, many are disgusted with his judgment and idealistic outlook that lacks true ability to understand the landscape of global reality. As these views continue this month it will due nothing in his favor but highlight the downfall of a president and undermined the country that he represents.It is rather a time, this October that all in the United states is vulnerable based on the thinking and actions of a mislead autocratic President who is on a mission of his own agenda indifferent to his own people and those in the global community. It is the debilitation of Mars with

Ketu in Cancer and Jupiter with Rahu in Capricorn that is his greatest challenge to overcome and come out on top. Not only for him personally and for his persons' health and longevity but also for the country that he leads. Mid May of next year 2010 should be a final telling as debilitated Mars will transit out of Cancer to Leo.I fail to see that Libra based on the above affects out shines Capricorn Lagna.I hope that my input as well as others has helped you to see the reality and the hard work many senior members have put in to confirm a Capricorn Lagna. Please also note, that this is the reason I outlined Capricorn's Lagna degree in my previous post to you, showing you that as favorable as President Obama has been up to now has been supported by the Dhanishta nakshatra and its 8 vasnu dieties portecting his rise to recognition. Now that he has accomplished this goal and his greatest dream to be president and rule from the oval office

over a people of his own making, his crown is quickly tarnishing. Gopi, I do not wish to continue this conversation. I feel the discussion is complete with members input over the last year and few days along with Mrs. wendy's. I do feel the subject has run its course.However, I do thank you for bringing your views to the table.As Always,Uttara jyotish-vidya, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Uttara,> yes i know about files section.This was taken from sri K.N.Rao ji's site> journal of astrology.com since they have given some good readings with> this lagna.Hence i just presented this as an alternative lagna for the> purpose of study/discussion only.I also believe birth certificate is not> foolproof.Yes it can

be depended upon specially in western countries.> warm regards,> gopi.> jyotish-vidya, "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni@ >> wrote:> >> > Dear Gopi,> >> > I would be very interested to know the source of the natal birth chart> you are commenting on in regards to President Obama.> >> > If you look in the files section of Jyotish Vidya forum you will find> a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth regarding Obama stating he was> born at 19:24:00. This is the accepted official birth time that is used> to delineate his chart most authentically by most.> >> > His Lagna points to Capricorn 24:43* which gives him a Dhanista> nakshatra primarily ruled by Mars. Also this placement

gives Dhanista 8> Vasu dieties presiding over him. The ASC pada here is the first which> falls into Leo navamsa ruled by Sun.> >> > As Always,> >> > Uttara> >> > jyotish-vidya, "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear ones,> > > i got a chart of president obama with Libra lagna since there are> about> > > 3/4 birth datas available on the net as i understand.Ofcourse i am> > > convinced about the lagna.> > > Accordingly 10th L mo is exalted in 8th aspd by jup3,6 from 4th> house of> > > comfirts with 4th lord as well.L/L in 9th house of luck/foreign> country> > > in the nakshatra of Rahu a foreiigner as

well who is posited in 11th> > > house of gains with mars the the 7thL of position giver.!!> > > The dasa at present is jup-sun-jup and sun bhukti(antara) is the> 11th> > > lord of gains till 7-4-2010(indian) .> > > Regarding transits jup retro sitting comfirtably with natal jup and> Rahu> > > in 4th from lagna and 9th(luck) from exal nat moon and also aspg 4th> and> > > 5th L sat in 12th house of a foreign country from lagna with sun and> > > exal 12th L as well along with ven the lagna and 8th L of surprises.> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > jyotish-vidya, "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > >

> Dear Manoj,> > > >> > > > ///Even President Obama said he did not deserve to be amongst the> > > company> > > > of people who have received the prize, but he will accept this as> a> > > call> > > > to action.///> > > >> > > > What else could he say. As we know, he's a clever speaker.> > > >> > > > ///I forgot to add for clarity that the Nakshatras and postions> > > described> > > > in the previous email were all transit positions and not Natal> > > ones.///> > > >> > > > Yes, I gathered that :-)> > > >> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > http://JyotishVidya .com> > >

> ____________ _________ _________ _______> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > "Manoj Chandran" chandran_manoj@> > > > jyotish-vidya> > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:34 PM> > > > Re: Startling News of Mr Barack Obama's> > > winning> > > > coveted Noble Prize-Review of the Ch> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mrs Wendy,> > > >> > > > I second your opinion on this. It is comical that Obama was only> in> > > > office for 12 days before the nomination closed. So in the first> 12> > > days> >

> > of office he has some how magically accomplished enough to deserve> the> > > > Nobel Peace Prize. May be measuring the Drapes for the windows in> the> > > > Oval office is considered a Peaceful Gesture !!!> > > > Unfortunately this Nobel Committee has become a pulpit for dishing> out> > > > political statements. This could well have been called the "Thank> God> > > > George Bush is not in power" Prize.> > > >> > > > Even President Obama said he did not deserve to be amongst the> company> > > of> > > > people who have received the prize, but he will accept this as a> call> > > to> > > > action. If the Nobel committee is hoping that they can influence> his> > > > policies by hanging this on his head, they are sadly

mistaken.> > > National> > > > politics always trumps international politics and no US President> is> > > > going to hesitate to defend his country, whatever it takes,> despite> > > the> > > > Peace Prize.> > > >> > > > Antar Dasha Lord Mars in 8H of sudden events and "scandals" and> > > > inheritance. Being debilitated I am guessing Obama "gained" by the> > > > (perceived) negative "inheritance" left behind by his predecessor,> GW> > > > Bush. It is also interesting to note that Mars is in the Nakshatra> of> > > > Punarvasu, an auspicious one ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is in> Nakshatra> > > of> > > > Shravana ruled by Moon. Sharavana can be a Naskatra of story> tellers> > > who> > > >

roam from once place to another. We know Obama loves to tell> stories> > > and> > > > will tell you exactly what you want to hear.> > > >> > > > However, considering the fact that his domestic agenda (especially> his> > > > universal healthcare) is in serious jeopardy, the democrats are> > > further> > > > bracing for a Major Scandal of the Ethics Committee Chairman, the> true> > > > state of Obama's mind right now is probably more accurately> potrayed> > > by> > > > the qualities of Nakshatra occupied by the Moon, Arudra.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > "Manoj Chandran"

chandran_manoj@> > > > jyotish-vidya> > > > Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:51 PM> > > > Re: Startling News of Mr Barack Obama's> > > winning> > > > coveted Noble Prize-Review of the Ch> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Mrs Wendy,> > > >> > > > I forgot to add for clarity that the Nakshatras and postions> described> > > in> > > > the previous email were all transit positions and not Natal ones.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > >>

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October 15, 2009

Dear Chandran ji,

I, some how became pessimistic as a jupiter ascendant(sagittarus) and with jupiter in 10th from rasi.Reading of Shri l.R.Chaudhir's "the fascinating jupiter' could not enthrall me frankly,though he attributes very good things for jupiter in 10th as well as capricorn sign.Incidentally it is my moon sign.

Status of retrogression has made me atleast to toil more by way of unwanted travels and also not so good indication in status too.

This apart ,theoritical revealations from our texts for an academic PURSUIT will be to brush up awareness through your query

To know abour Jupiter's,let's consider how sign lord as dispositor affects,native of capricornCurrently saturn in enemy house of simha is not a favourable disposition.Saturn known for slef efforts causes wasteful expenduring during the time jupiter in capricorn together with hurdles in general outlook and also opposition from several quarters.

2.jupiter in 10th(from lagna) is considered most favourable(for Aries people),though a depression sign(Capricorn)

Now retrograde status of jupiter adds to vows in matters relating health and service matters.Possible discredit or loss through dishonesty.

3.Jupiter as karaka for several issues like law,orderliness,finance and relationships,during retrogression likely to suffer.

Possibly in sun's nakshtra of uttarashadha and srvana may bring honours.worst part is dhanishta nakhstra of capricorn leding to losses unexpectedly and in service matter.

Now jupiter direct at 23.10 degrees must prove to be a consolation in mundane aspects as well as for those who are facing problems due to sign lord'sshadhstaka position in leo.

HOPE THIS DEEPAWALI PRAYERS HELP ALL OF US TO BE MORE DETERMINED AND POSITIVE IN OUR OUTLOOK. WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ALL THE BEST.