Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Dear Uttara, ///I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of Vedic-Wisdom that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help relieve some of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed./// No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath) is, like everyone else, governed in his thoughts, words and deeds by his karma. As we know, 3rd house governs our short-term desires. The decisions we make on a day-to-day basis and our motivation behind those decisions determine our actions (own efforts or will power). Certainly, within the parameters of our karma, we have, or seem to have, some free will... a bit like a dog on a leash really; free to move around but only to the limit that the leash will allow... and so it is with free will. I once heard a refugee to our country respond to the question; " What does freedom mean to you? " His response was; " It means I'm free to do what I want " then, after a moment's reflection, he added; " but I'm not free to want what I want " . That, to me, was very insightful and sums it up in a nutshell :-) As Swami Vivekananda was quoted as an example, let's take a look at his horoscope in terms of religion, free will etc.. In this chart, 3rd lord Jupiter, in nakshatra of 3rd karaka Mars, is aspected by Mars himself who occupies his moolatrikona sign in 4th (moksha) bhava. I won't go into the many strong indications for religion and moksha as I'm sure you have the chart. It is however amazingly clear that religion/moksha was his destiny. Dear Nilesh-- You will note that, like your sister, Swami Vivekananda also has Mars exchanging nakshatra lord...this time with Ketu. Note Ketu's role as MokshaKaraka and Mars lordship of a moksha bhava. Best Wishes Mrs. Wendy JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " wenvasuk " <jyotishvidya Wednesday, 4 November 2009 9:25 AM <jyotishvidya Fwd: Re: How to get a PAID reading from an astrologer on this forum? jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Jai, I am sincerely sorry to here of your recent difficulties. As I read what you have and are going through, Mrs. Wendy's response and then yours, I couldn't help but immediately think spiritualism of prayer along with the stotram recommended. Often the difficulties of a bad phase in life or Karma as you say is dealt better with these solutions to help ease the time as it passes through. Karma has two and some say three phases. Definitely, there is a fixed Karma and there is an adaptable Karma. Whichever, relying on the astro chart should not be taken as a forsaken time. I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of Vedic-Wisdom that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help relieve some of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed. Narasimha PVR Rao wrote: " .... a) with zero spirituality, one's life should comply 100% with astrological predictions (from a pure person) b) with 100% spirituality, the person only touches the predicted events for the sake of clearing chitta baggage More than spirituality, it is the strength of " free will " that decides how closely one's life is aligned to astrological indications. Spirituality is related too, as spiritual sadhana improves free will and makes one freer to do the right things. Some karmas are " dridha " (firm or mandatory) and their results MUST be experienced, no matter what... However, many karmas are not dridha and are flexible/optional. Their results can be avoided by the application of free will. A regular person's free will is not strong enough to bend the curve of habit resulting from previous actions and change the course. One goes with the flow, keeps on accumulating newer karmas and reaping the good and bad fruits. One remains a slave of bad habits and those habits get reinforced further and further with time. One making spiritual progress develops stronger free will. One starts to show better judgment and stronger will power and does the right things despite strong obstcles. Thus, one avoids payback for a lot of undesirable karmas that are not dridha. One also stops accumulating too many new undesirable karmas. Destiny is the sum total of karmas that one's free will performed in the past (including previous lives). Astrology captures one's destiny. Destiny restrains one's free will and tries to compel free will to act in some patterns,but free will need not obey. One always has many options, though *tends to* select the option that is favored by destiny. But one *can* select another option. Strengthening judgment, wisdom and breaking from bad haits is what is needed. Spiritual practices do help in that process. An astrologer focuses on destiny, but a spiritualist may focus on free will. Destiny is water under the bridge, while free will is the new stream that can flow in many ways. If some yogis downplayed astrology and emphasized free will, it is not without reason. Swami Vivekananda once famously said astrology is for the weak-minded people and emphasized free will.... " * * * I hope the above passage helps Jai along with the mantra stotram of the nine planets. As Always, Uttara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,That was a nice summary on free will I too hold similar views on free will.//No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath)// Though this is not relevant to the subject under discussion, I would like to give a little update. Of late, PVR started openly questioning/criticizing Mr. Rath and his approach in many areas specially whenever Mr. Rath's views were in contradiction to what Parashara has said. This has lead to a big rift between the two. A few weeks back, Mr. Rath asked PVR to stop posting in his 'Sohamsa'. Regards,Krishna On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Uttara, ///I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of Vedic-Wisdom that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help relieve some of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed./// No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath) is, like everyone else, governed in his thoughts, words and deeds by his karma. As we know, 3rd house governs our short-term desires. The decisions we make on a day-to-day basis and our motivation behind those decisions determine our actions (own efforts or will power). Certainly, within the parameters of our karma, we have, or seem to have, some free will... a bit like a dog on a leash really; free to move around but only to the limit that the leash will allow... and so it is with free will. I once heard a refugee to our country respond to the question; " What does freedom mean to you? " His response was; " It means I'm free to do what I want " then, after a moment's reflection, he added; " but I'm not free to want what I want " . That, to me, was very insightful and sums it up in a nutshell :-) As Swami Vivekananda was quoted as an example, let's take a look at his horoscope in terms of religion, free will etc.. In this chart, 3rd lord Jupiter, in nakshatra of 3rd karaka Mars, is aspected by Mars himself who occupies his moolatrikona sign in 4th (moksha) bhava. I won't go into the many strong indications for religion and moksha as I'm sure you have the chart. It is however amazingly clear that religion/moksha was his destiny. Dear Nilesh-- You will note that, like your sister, Swami Vivekananda also has Mars exchanging nakshatra lord...this time with Ketu. Note Ketu's role as MokshaKaraka and Mars lordship of a moksha bhava. Best Wishes Mrs. Wendy JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " wenvasuk " <jyotishvidya Wednesday, 4 November 2009 9:25 AM <jyotishvidya Fwd: Re: How to get a PAID reading from an astrologer on this forum? jyotish-vidya , " Uttara " <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Jai, I am sincerely sorry to here of your recent difficulties. As I read what you have and are going through, Mrs. Wendy's response and then yours, I couldn't help but immediately think spiritualism of prayer along with the stotram recommended. Often the difficulties of a bad phase in life or Karma as you say is dealt better with these solutions to help ease the time as it passes through. Karma has two and some say three phases. Definitely, there is a fixed Karma and there is an adaptable Karma. Whichever, relying on the astro chart should not be taken as a forsaken time. I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of Vedic-Wisdom that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help relieve some of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed. Narasimha PVR Rao wrote: " .... a) with zero spirituality, one's life should comply 100% with astrological predictions (from a pure person) b) with 100% spirituality, the person only touches the predicted events for the sake of clearing chitta baggage More than spirituality, it is the strength of " free will " that decides how closely one's life is aligned to astrological indications. Spirituality is related too, as spiritual sadhana improves free will and makes one freer to do the right things. Some karmas are " dridha " (firm or mandatory) and their results MUST be experienced, no matter what... However, many karmas are not dridha and are flexible/optional. Their results can be avoided by the application of free will. A regular person's free will is not strong enough to bend the curve of habit resulting from previous actions and change the course. One goes with the flow, keeps on accumulating newer karmas and reaping the good and bad fruits. One remains a slave of bad habits and those habits get reinforced further and further with time. One making spiritual progress develops stronger free will. One starts to show better judgment and stronger will power and does the right things despite strong obstcles. Thus, one avoids payback for a lot of undesirable karmas that are not dridha. One also stops accumulating too many new undesirable karmas. Destiny is the sum total of karmas that one's free will performed in the past (including previous lives). Astrology captures one's destiny. Destiny restrains one's free will and tries to compel free will to act in some patterns,but free will need not obey. One always has many options, though *tends to* select the option that is favored by destiny. But one *can* select another option. Strengthening judgment, wisdom and breaking from bad haits is what is needed. Spiritual practices do help in that process. An astrologer focuses on destiny, but a spiritualist may focus on free will. Destiny is water under the bridge, while free will is the new stream that can flow in many ways. If some yogis downplayed astrology and emphasized free will, it is not without reason. Swami Vivekananda once famously said astrology is for the weak-minded people and emphasized free will.... " * * * I hope the above passage helps Jai along with the mantra stotram of the nine planets. As Always, Uttara __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Dear Krishna, ///Of late, PVR started openly questioning/criticizing Mr. Rath and his approach in many areas specially whenever Mr. Rath's views were in contradiction to what Parashara has said./// Really! I didn't know that. I really don't have time to keep up with what's happening on other groups. About the only time I will even take a look is if someone alerts me to something they think I should be aware of. My dealings with Sanjay and Narasimha go back many years, at which time Narasimha was fiercely loyal to Sanjay... Best Wishes Mrs. Wendy JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:56 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Free Will Dear Mrs. Wendy, That was a nice summary on free will I too hold similar views on free will. //No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath)// Though this is not relevant to the subject under discussion, I would like to give a little update. Of late, PVR started openly questioning/criticizing Mr. Rath and his approach in many areas specially whenever Mr. Rath's views were in contradiction to what Parashara has said. This has lead to a big rift between the two. A few weeks back, Mr. Rath asked PVR to stop posting in his 'Sohamsa'. Regards, Krishna __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy/Krishnamurty ji,Yes.They have parted ways unfortunately.P.V.R'S 9thL with mars(fiercely) the 8thL,deb 5th and also with L/10thL in 8th in mutual asp with retro jup from 2nd(thought/speach)!!!while Sanjay's 9thL in 7thin mutual asp with jup from lagna from his own and the dispositorof 9thL is in 6th in mutual asp with 5th L of disciple from 12th (loss)!! on a cursory look.Love and regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Krishna,> > ///Of late, PVR started openly questioning/criticizing Mr. Rath and his> approach in many areas specially whenever Mr. Rath's views were in> contradiction to what Parashara has said.///> > Really! I didn't know that. I really don't have time to keep up with what's> happening on other groups. About the only time I will even take a look is if> someone alerts me to something they think I should be aware of.> > My dealings with Sanjay and Narasimha go back many years, at which time> Narasimha was fiercely loyal to Sanjay...> > Best Wishes> Mrs. Wendy> JyotishVidya.com> > > -----------------> "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" kmurthys58 Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:56 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Free Will> > Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > That was a nice summary on free will I too hold similar views on free will.> > //No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath)//> > Though this is not relevant to the subject under discussion, I would like to> give a little update. Of late, PVR started openly questioning/criticizing> Mr. Rath and his approach in many areas specially whenever Mr. Rath's views> were in contradiction to what Parashara has said. This has lead to a big> rift between the two. A few weeks back, Mr. Rath asked PVR to stop posting> in his 'Sohamsa'.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4571 (20091104) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Mrs wendy/Uttara,//I once heard a refugee to our country respond to the question; "What doesfreedom mean to you?" His response was; "It means I'm free to do what Iwant" then, after a moment's reflection, he added; "but I'm not free to wantwhat I want".//Probably this is where truth lies NOW,i mean at present.What ever any great soul may say this refugee said it all and summed it up beautifully.I also second him with my humble salutations to him.I am always happy to read Mrs wendy's posts but now they are getting more spiritual and wisdom oriented and hence i am getting elated.Probably it's because her 9th house is transited by lagna/2nd(speach) asp by jup from lagna.9th lord with 10th and deb 8thL as well.Is it not?Warm regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Uttara,> > ///I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of> Vedic-Wisdom that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help> relieve some of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed.///> > No doubt Narasimha Rao (follower of Sanjay Rath) is, like everyone else, > governed in his thoughts, words and deeds by his karma.> > As we know, 3rd house governs our short-term desires. The decisions we make > on a day-to-day basis and our motivation behind those decisions determine > our actions (own efforts or will power). Certainly, within the parameters of > our karma, we have, or seem to have, some free will... a bit like a dog on a > leash really; free to move around but only to the limit that the leash will > allow... and so it is with free will.> > I once heard a refugee to our country respond to the question; "What does > freedom mean to you?" His response was; "It means I'm free to do what I > want" then, after a moment's reflection, he added; "but I'm not free to want > what I want".> > That, to me, was very insightful and sums it up in a nutshell :-)> > As Swami Vivekananda was quoted as an example, let's take a look at his > horoscope in terms of religion, free will etc.. In this chart, 3rd lord > Jupiter, in nakshatra of 3rd karaka Mars, is aspected by Mars himself who > occupies his moolatrikona sign in 4th (moksha) bhava.> > I won't go into the many strong indications for religion and moksha as I'm > sure you have the chart. It is however amazingly clear that religion/moksha > was his destiny.> > Dear Nilesh--> You will note that, like your sister, Swami Vivekananda also has Mars > exchanging nakshatra lord...this time with Ketu. Note Ketu's role as > MokshaKaraka and Mars lordship of a moksha bhava.> > Best Wishes> Mrs. Wendy> JyotishVidya.com> > > -----------------> "wenvasuk" jyotishvidya Wednesday, 4 November 2009 9:25 AM> jyotishvidya Fwd: Re: How to get a PAID reading from an astrologer on this> forum?> > jyotish-vidya , "Uttara" muttaraphalguni@ wrote:> > Dear Jai,> > I am sincerely sorry to here of your recent difficulties. As I read what> you have and are going through, Mrs. Wendy's response and then yours, I> couldn't help but immediately think spiritualism of prayer along with the> stotram recommended.> > Often the difficulties of a bad phase in life or Karma as you say is dealt> better with these solutions to help ease the time as it passes through.> Karma has two and some say three phases. Definitely, there is a fixed Karma> and there is an adaptable Karma. Whichever, relying on the astro chart> should not be taken as a forsaken time.> > I have an excellent explanation below from Narasimha PVR Rao of Vedic-Wisdom> that explains Spirituality of an astro reading that might help relieve some> of your distraught and feelings of being overwhelmed.> > Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:> > > ".... a) with zero spirituality, one's life should comply 100% with> astrological predictions (from a pure person)> > b) with 100% spirituality, the person only touches the predicted events for> the sake of clearing chitta baggage> > More than spirituality, it is the strength of "free will" that decides how> closely one's life is aligned to astrological indications. Spirituality is> related too, as spiritual sadhana improves free will and makes one freer to> do the right things.> > Some karmas are "dridha" (firm or mandatory) and their results MUST be> experienced, no matter what...> However, many karmas are not dridha and are flexible/optional. Their results> can be avoided by the application of free will.> > A regular person's free will is not strong enough to bend the curve of habit> resulting from previous actions and change the course. One goes with the> flow, keeps on accumulating newer karmas and reaping the good and bad> fruits. One remains a slave of bad habits and those habits get reinforced> further and further with time.> > One making spiritual progress develops stronger free will. One starts to> show better judgment and stronger will power and does the right things> despite strong obstcles. Thus, one avoids payback for a lot of undesirable> karmas that are not dridha. One also stops accumulating too many new> undesirable karmas.> > Destiny is the sum total of karmas that one's free will performed in the> past (including previous lives). Astrology captures one's destiny. Destiny> restrains one's free will and tries to compel free will to act in some> patterns,but free will need not obey.> > One always has many options, though *tends to* select the option that is> favored by destiny. But one *can* select another option. Strengthening> judgment, wisdom and breaking from bad haits is what is needed. Spiritual> practices do help in that process.> > An astrologer focuses on destiny, but a spiritualist may focus on free will.> Destiny is water under the bridge, while free will is the new stream that> can flow in many ways. If some yogis downplayed astrology and emphasized> free will, it is not without reason. Swami Vivekananda once famously said> astrology is for the weak-minded people and emphasized free will...."> > * * *> > I hope the above passage helps Jai along with the mantra stotram of the nine> planets.> > As Always,> > Uttara> > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4571 (20091104) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Gopi, Yes, I have both Narasimha and Sanjay's charts on file. However, as neither are members of this group, it's probably not a good idea to discuss them, don't you agree :-) Best Wishes Mrs. Wendy JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 Wednesday, 4 November 2009 2:54 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Free Will Dear Mrs Wendy/Krishnamurty ji, Yes.They have parted ways unfortunately.P.V.R'S 9thL with mars(fiercely) the 8thL,deb 5th and also with L/10thL in 8th in mutual asp with retro jup from 2nd(thought/speach)!!!while Sanjay's 9thL in 7thin mutual asp with jup from lagna from his own and the dispositorof 9thL is in 6th in mutual asp with 5th L of disciple from 12th (loss)!! on a cursory look. Love and regards, gopi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear Mrs Wendy,yes i totally agree with you and i am sorry.Warm regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Gopi,> > Yes, I have both Narasimha and Sanjay's charts on file. However, as neither > are members of this group, it's probably not a good idea to discuss them, > don't you agree :-)> > Best Wishes> Mrs. Wendy> JyotishVidya.com> > > -----------------> "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927 Wednesday, 4 November 2009 2:54 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Free Will> > Dear Mrs Wendy/Krishnamurty ji,> Yes.They have parted ways unfortunately.P.V.R'S 9thL with mars(fiercely)> the 8thL,deb 5th and also with L/10thL in 8th in mutual asp with retro> jup from 2nd(thought/speach)!!!while Sanjay's 9thL in 7thin mutual asp> with jup from lagna from his own and the dispositorof 9thL is in 6th in> mutual asp with 5th L of disciple from 12th (loss)!! on a cursory look.> Love and regards,> gopi.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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