Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear, For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for Mars and Rahu in a chart. Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. Hope this helps to some extent..... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Ravindramani, I'm not too sure what this was in response to as, with all the hassles getting my mailbox set up, I've lost a lot of (saved) mails, and not inclined to do a search on group archives at the moment. If I may be permitted I would like to add my thoughts on this :-) No doubt Mars is an indicator for chemistry...as it is for research, technology, engineering, mathematics and so forth. And no doubt Rahu is a specific indicator of drugs and addiction. Ketu, as we know, is a specific indicator of poison per se. However, I feel there is a vast difference between recreational (addictive) drugs and poison (which has the potential to kill quickly and painfully). People are drawn to addictive drugs because they lead to altered states of awareness...bringing about a heightened state of euphoria. This is what makes them so addictive! Also, as we know, these sort of drugs, such as marijuana, heroin etc are (or were) not chemically manufactured. Perhaps the new breed of chemically manufactured drugs can be linked to Mars, but the houses concerned would need careful consideration as Mars association with 10th (perhaps) may just point to a career in chemistry. I would advise people to consider the 12th house (it's lord and karaka), the 6th and the 2nd for; a) Altered states of awareness (12th) b) Vices (6th), and c) Partaking of wrong food/drink (2nd). ///Further Rahu is the planet of *urge* or *compulsion*./// I agree that Rahu conjunct any of the above lords can, under certain conditions, compel one along this destructive path. At the same time we have to be alert to the fact that he may also compel one towards experiencing altered states of awareness through deep meditation or self-enquiry etc.. Best Wishes Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " ravindramani " <ravindramani Thursday, 5 November 2009 12:38 PM <jyotish-vidya > Addiction reg. Dear, For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for Mars and Rahu in a chart. Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. Hope this helps to some extent..... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4577 (20091105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Ravindramani,I have birth details of an alcoholic who's wife divorced him for that bad habit. I don't know anything else about this person. The birth details are as follows: DOB: October 31, 1949TOB:21:15 hrsPOB: Albany, New York, USARegards,Krishna On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: Dear, For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for Mars and Rahu in a chart. Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. Hope this helps to some extent..... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are always welcome to add your notes/comments on my postings. I noted the contents of your message carefully. Thanks for your comments. This particular reference was received in my personal mail box. A lady (western astrology student) who wrote her son has been using certain drugs in tablet forms such as “LSD†and “PCPâ€. As you rightly pointed out, this kind of tablets can be related to Mars. He is undergoing rehabilitation now.  She wanted to know how to see this in his chart as an addict, through Vedic astrology. I thought I could send my response to our list also without quoting other details.  I agree with you, certain hallucinogens like Peyote, Psilocybin are from planets or mushrooms that cannot be directly related to Mars. >>>However, I feel there is a vast difference between recreational (addictive) drugs and poison (which has the potential to kill quickly and painfully).>>> What I meant *Poison* is that, as I told by one of my friends (who is also a qualified doctor and student of astrology, there are certain drugs which are poisonous in nature and drug addicts getting them across the counter without prescriptions and using them for hallucinatory effects. These drugs are slowing killing them. I don’t remember the brand names of these tablets or capsules instantaneously.  This is a potential area for research in astrology, slowly children in India picking this habit to the so called *Party Drugs†in the form of tablets or capsules. In fact, for some time, I was away from my place, not able to participate in the list. I really wanted to add or express some views on certain threads such as “exchange of Nakshatras, planetary war etc…. and to a certain mail written to me directly in the List itself by one of the members. I don’t find time.  I am just procrastinating. You know my Saturn where he is.  I recently had given a prediction to an American lady in some other forum using the Nakshatra exchange. She wrote to me my prediction came very correct although she thought that I went wrong completely on that. I don’t know I can use the chart here.   Once again I thank you for your comments on the addiction and also I must say sorry that (my mail) caused you some inconvenience for looking an exact reference to which it was written by me. I cannot delay responding to your mail. :-) Regards, C.S. Ravindramani  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Thanks dear Krishna. In fact, I wanted to do something in this area ( astrological research) drug addiction but the only problem is that I dont have time at all.  I plan to take retirement and do some service to astrology. The work is killing. There are certain commitments to fulfil from my side to my family. If God is willing..... I can think of in a year or two.  Any way...... thanks for the chart. Let me go through it in the week end. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:  Dear Ravindramani, I have birth details of an alcoholic who's wife divorced him for that bad habit. I don't know anything else about this person. The birth details are as follows: DOB: October 31, 1949 TOB:21:15 hrs POB: Albany, New York, USA Regards,Krishna On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:  Dear,For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for Mars and Rahu in a chart. Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. Hope this helps to some extent..... Regards, C.S. Ravindramani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Krishna and Ravindramani, My apologies to you both for jumping in when this was addressed specifically to Ravindramani. However, I'm about to leave the computer for awhile and just wanted to take a quick look at this chart first. Note debilitated F/M Jupiter (dispositor of Rahu and 12th lord Venus) aspecting 2nd house (partaking of wrong food/drink) from 8th. 2nd lord Moon himself (inimically placed in Aquarius) occupies nakshatra of debilitated Jupiter whilst Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Sun), occupying nakshatra of Rahu, is also debilitated. Note Moon's dispositor (Saturn, karaka for 12th) occupying nakshatra of Venus who aspects lagna from 7th. Again, 12th is the house of intoxication whilst 2nd shows partaking of (wrong) food or drink. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 Friday, 6 November 2009 2:24 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Addiction reg. Dear Ravindramani, I have birth details of an alcoholic who's wife divorced him for that bad habit. I don't know anything else about this person. The birth details are as follows: DOB: October 31, 1949 TOB:21:15 hrs POB: Albany, New York, USA Regards, Krishna On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, ravindramani <ravindramaniwrote: > > > Dear, > > For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for > Mars > and Rahu in a chart. > > Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are > manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain > drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. > > Hope this helps to some extent..... > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4577 (20091105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Ravindramani, ///I really wanted to add or express some views on certain threads such as “exchange of Nakshatras, planetary war etc…. and to a certain mail written to me directly in the List itself by one of the members. I don’t find time. I am just procrastinating. You know my Saturn where he is./// Indeed, we all seem to be struggling a bit at the moment (one way or the other). But I do have to say that your presence on the group is sadly missed. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani Friday, 6 November 2009 2:48 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Addiction reg. Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are always welcome to add your notes/comments on my postings. I noted the contents of your message carefully. Thanks for your comments. This particular reference was received in my personal mail box. A lady (western astrology student) who wrote her son has been using certain drugs in tablet forms such as “LSD†and “PCPâ€. As you rightly pointed out, this kind of tablets can be related to Mars. He is undergoing rehabilitation now. She wanted to know how to see this in his chart as an addict, through Vedic astrology. I thought I could send my response to our list also without quoting other details. I agree with you, certain hallucinogens like *Peyote, Psilocybin are from planets or mushrooms that cannot be directly related to Mars. * *>>>However, I feel there is a vast difference between recreational (addictive) drugs and poison (which has the potential to kill quickly and painfully).>>>* *What I meant *Poison* is that, as I told by one of my friends (who is also a qualified doctor and student of astrology, there are certain drugs which are poisonous in nature and drug addicts getting them across the counter without prescriptions and using them for hallucinatory effects. These drugs are slowing killing them. I don’t remember the brand names of these tablets or capsules instantaneously. This is a potential area for research in astrology, slowly children in India picking this habit to the so called *Party Drugs†in the form of tablets or capsules. * In fact, for some time, I was away from my place, not able to participate in the list. I really wanted to add or express some views on certain threads such as “exchange of Nakshatras, planetary war etc…. and to a certain mail written to me directly in the List itself by one of the members. I don’t find time. I am just procrastinating. You know my Saturn where he is. I recently had given a prediction to an American lady in some other forum using the Nakshatra exchange. She wrote to me my prediction came very correct although she thought that I went wrong completely on that. I don’t know I can use the chart here. Once again I thank you for your comments on the addiction and also I must say sorry that (my mail) caused you some inconvenience for looking an exact reference to which it was written by me. I cannot delay responding to your mail. :-) Regards, C.S. Ravindramani * * __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4577 (20091105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Mrs. Wendy,You are welcome to comment. We always learn from your postings.In addition to your observations, Rahu is in trines to 2nd house who is afflicting the jala tatva. And, Jupiter is very close to its deepest degree of debilitation, this adds to the malefic nature of Jupiter. Jupiter is debilitated in Navamsha also. Then, 2nd lord Moon is aspected by 6L Mars and karaka of 12H Saturn (exact aspect!) Regards,Krishna On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Krishna and Ravindramani, My apologies to you both for jumping in when this was addressed specifically to Ravindramani. However, I'm about to leave the computer for awhile and just wanted to take a quick look at this chart first. Note debilitated F/M Jupiter (dispositor of Rahu and 12th lord Venus) aspecting 2nd house (partaking of wrong food/drink) from 8th. 2nd lord Moon himself (inimically placed in Aquarius) occupies nakshatra of debilitated Jupiter whilst Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Sun), occupying nakshatra of Rahu, is also debilitated. Note Moon's dispositor (Saturn, karaka for 12th) occupying nakshatra of Venus who aspects lagna from 7th. Again, 12th is the house of intoxication whilst 2nd shows partaking of (wrong) food or drink. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 Friday, 6 November 2009 2:24 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Addiction reg. Dear Ravindramani, I have birth details of an alcoholic who's wife divorced him for that bad habit. I don't know anything else about this person. The birth details are as follows: DOB: October 31, 1949 TOB:21:15 hrs POB: Albany, New York, USA Regards, Krishna On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, ravindramani <ravindramaniwrote: > > > Dear, > > For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for > Mars > and Rahu in a chart. > > Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are > manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain > drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*. > > Hope this helps to some extent..... > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4577 (20091105) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Krishna, And, of course, the horoscope plainly shows separation/divorce with 7th lord Jupiter in 8th whilst his dispositor (Saturn) occupies 8th from 8th etc.. Surely, seeing the inescapable circumstances of life written in a horoscope, we can't help but come to the realization that everything is *exactly as it's meant to be*. A person suffers or enjoys according to his karma. I might quote an anecdote here if I may: **Maharishi was once interviewed by a French journalist, who asked him; " How does the world look in the highest state of consciousness? " Maharishi answered; " Then you see that everything is exactly as it should be " . The journalist, not realizing the depth of this expression, asked; " But why then, are you working so hard to improve the situation? " Maharishi smilingly answered; " Because that is exactly as it should be " .** Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58 Friday, 6 November 2009 3:46 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Addiction reg. Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are welcome to comment. We always learn from your postings. In addition to your observations, Rahu is in trines to 2nd house who is afflicting the jala tatva. And, Jupiter is very close to its deepest degree of debilitation, this adds to the malefic nature of Jupiter. Jupiter is debilitated in Navamsha also. Then, 2nd lord Moon is aspected by 6L Mars and karaka of 12H Saturn (exact aspect!) Regards, Krishna On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > Dear Krishna and Ravindramani, > > My apologies to you both for jumping in when this was addressed > specifically > to Ravindramani. However, I'm about to leave the computer for awhile and > just wanted to take a quick look at this chart first. > > Note debilitated F/M Jupiter (dispositor of Rahu and 12th lord Venus) > aspecting 2nd house (partaking of wrong food/drink) from 8th. > > 2nd lord Moon himself (inimically placed in Aquarius) occupies nakshatra > of > debilitated Jupiter whilst Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Sun), occupying > nakshatra of Rahu, is also debilitated. Note Moon's dispositor (Saturn, > karaka for 12th) occupying nakshatra of Venus who aspects lagna from 7th. > > Again, 12th is the house of intoxication whilst 2nd shows partaking of > (wrong) food or drink. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4579 (20091106) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dear Mrs wendy and Krishnamurty ji,in adition to your observations reg adiction(alcoholism) 2nd H is a watery house asp by deb jup from 8thH of adiction and 2nd L mo is aflicted by 2malefics including 6th lord mars and dispositor sat.In navamsa Mo in 12th while ketu is in2nd a watery house and Mars in lagna completing the adiction with jup in 8th with Rahu.Regards,gopi.jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:>> Dear Mrs. Wendy,> > You are welcome to comment. We always learn from your postings.> > In addition to your observations, Rahu is in trines to 2nd house who is> afflicting the jala tatva. And, Jupiter is very close to its deepest degree> of debilitation, this adds to the malefic nature of Jupiter. Jupiter is> debilitated in Navamsha also. Then, 2nd lord Moon is aspected by 6L Mars and> karaka of 12H Saturn (exact aspect!)> > Regards,> Krishna> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidyawrote:> > > Dear Krishna and Ravindramani,> >> > My apologies to you both for jumping in when this was addressed> > specifically> > to Ravindramani. However, I'm about to leave the computer for awhile and> > just wanted to take a quick look at this chart first.> >> > Note debilitated F/M Jupiter (dispositor of Rahu and 12th lord Venus)> > aspecting 2nd house (partaking of wrong food/drink) from 8th.> >> > 2nd lord Moon himself (inimically placed in Aquarius) occupies nakshatra of> > debilitated Jupiter whilst Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Sun), occupying> > nakshatra of Rahu, is also debilitated. Note Moon's dispositor (Saturn,> > karaka for 12th) occupying nakshatra of Venus who aspects lagna from 7th.> >> > Again, 12th is the house of intoxication whilst 2nd shows partaking of> > (wrong) food or drink.> >> > Best Wishes,> > Mrs. Wendy> > http://JyotishVidya.com> >> >> > -----------------> > "Krishnamurthy Seetharama" kmurthys58 > Friday, 6 November 2009 2:24 PM> > jyotish-vidya > > Re: Addiction reg.> >> > Dear Ravindramani,> >> > I have birth details of an alcoholic who's wife divorced him for that bad> > habit. I don't know anything else about this person. The birth details are> > as follows:> >> > DOB: October 31, 1949> > TOB:21:15 hrs> > POB: Albany, New York, USA> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, ravindramani ravindramani > >wrote:> >> > >> > >> > > Dear,> > >> > > For looking in to the charts of drug addicts or sort of ..... look for> > > Mars> > > and Rahu in a chart.> > >> > > Mars stands for chemicals. Rahu stands for poison. All kind of drugs are> > > manufactured by chemicals. Poison is also used in manufacture of certain> > > drugs. Further Rahu is the plaent of *urge* or *compulsion*.> > >> > > Hope this helps to some extent.....> > >> > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature> > database 4577 (20091105) __________> >> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> >> > http://www.eset.com> >> >> >> >> >> > ---> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Wendy ji, Extremely nice and detailed analysis! :-) I think that while the 6th indicates vices, the 12th, as you say, should be seen for altered states--for instance, smoking is addictive, but there is no high in it, the way one gets a high with alcohol. The 2nd could also indicate smoking, since it involves the mouth. Of course, it could also concern drugs and other substances taken orally (or cocaine, which is snorted). Is there anything that indicates usage of drugs like heroin, which are injected? Will Chandra (blood) play a role here? After all, the moon controls the mind, and the mind plays a strong role in addiction. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Dear Wendyji and group What are the planets responsible for addiction such as 1.pronography, 2.stalking people 3.machochism and self destruction Is it the Rahu and venus together for the first 2? or are there other planets and houses involved. What will be the planets responsible for self destruction. I have felt that purvabhadra as a nakshatra is responsible for self destruction esp if Jupiter is badly placed and there are many planets in purvabhadra.Kurt Cobain if I remember rightly had such a combination I have rahu and venus together in 5th house ( Capricorn) in Sravana. Though there is a parivarthan of Saturn ( placed in 9th house) with Venus It is very difficult for me to come out of infactuations. During college days - I had lost one year of my engineering due to infatuation for a girl. Warm Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya , Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > Wendy ji, > > Extremely nice and detailed analysis! :-) > > I think that while the 6th indicates vices, the 12th, as you say, should be seen for altered states--for instance, smoking is addictive, but there is no high in it, the way one gets a high with alcohol. > > The 2nd could also indicate smoking, since it involves the mouth. Of course, it could also concern drugs and other substances taken orally (or cocaine, which is snorted). > > Is there anything that indicates usage of drugs like heroin, which are injected? Will Chandra (blood) play a role here? After all, the moon controls the mind, and the mind plays a strong role in addiction. > > ~~~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan > Author & Editor > http://www.balaji.ind.in/ > ~~~~~~~~~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Dear Balaji, ///I think that while the 6th indicates vices, the 12th, as you say, should be seen for altered states--for instance, smoking is addictive, but there is no high in it, the way one gets a high with alcohol./// You're absolutely correct :-) Enemies, both external and internal, are under the jurisdiction of the 6th house. Such enemies are defined as anyone or anything that has the power to cause harm. In this regard we understand vices (such as smoking etc.) as an internal enemy capable of causing harm from within. ///The 2nd could also indicate smoking, since it involves the mouth. Of course, it could also concern drugs and other substances taken orally (or cocaine, which is snorted)./// Whatever goes into the mouth and is swallowed (processed within the digestive system) i.e. food, liquids, drugs, medicine etc., is under the jurisdiction of 2nd house. Smoke is drawn directly into the lungs...not swallowed. Same for cocaine, it's snorted into the lungs (respiratory system). ///Is there anything that indicates usage of drugs like heroin, which are injected?/// If I'm not mistaken, such drugs are injected intravenously...this would be linked to the circulatory system with strong connection to 12th house of intoxication. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ----------------- " Balaji Narasimhan " <sherlockbalaji Saturday, 7 November 2009 1:39 PM <jyotish-vidya > Re: Addiction reg. Wendy ji, Extremely nice and detailed analysis! :-) I think that while the 6th indicates vices, the 12th, as you say, should be seen for altered states--for instance, smoking is addictive, but there is no high in it, the way one gets a high with alcohol. The 2nd could also indicate smoking, since it involves the mouth. Of course, it could also concern drugs and other substances taken orally (or cocaine, which is snorted). Is there anything that indicates usage of drugs like heroin, which are injected? Will Chandra (blood) play a role here? After all, the moon controls the mind, and the mind plays a strong role in addiction. ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4587 (20091109) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Wendy ji, ///Whatever goes into the mouth and is swallowed (processed within the digestive system) i.e. food, liquids, drugs, medicine etc., is under the jurisdiction of 2nd house. Smoke is drawn directly into the lungs...not swallowed. Same for cocaine, it's snorted into the lungs (respiratory system)./// Since respiratory system is involved, should one consider the 4th, which is also the house of happiness? Interestingly, the courage to quit such things will come from the initiative of the 3rd, which is 12th to 4th! :-) ~~~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan Author & Editor http://www.balaji.ind.in/ ~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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